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hello, everyone. i'm kate balduan. we're following breaking news this morning on the story the entire world is watching. officials in thailand just wrapped up a news conference about the slow but so far successful in almost a miraculous way rescue of a youth soccer team trapped for more than two weeks in a flooded cave. four more boys have been brought out alive today, that's in addition to four rescued on sunday. now divers must race the clock
and the rain, of course, to get the final four boys and their coach out before the next downpour. cnn's matt rivers is at the hospital where the boys are recovering. cnn's ian watson is at the cave. let's go first to matt rivers. matt, what have we just learned from the press conference, from the authorities. what's the very latest here? >> reporter: yeah, we just heard a prmess conference wrap up by authority here in thailand. obviously, a lot of questions reporters are trying to get answered here. but a couple of key lines we can share with our viewers, we know that the four boys that were evacuated from this cave before were actually in better condition than those who were evacuated on sunday. they didn't really go into too much detail on that. that's one of the consistent things between yesterday and today. the boys who have made it here to the hospital, and we should add, all eight boys that have been evacuated from the cave so far are on the eighth floor of that hospital behind me. we haven't gotten a ton of word
about their condition. but it does appear that the boys taken out today were in better condition than the ones taken out yesterday. now, in terms of the operation itself, we know that it has wrapped up for the day. rescue operations have shut down for the day. and what we were told at this presser was that rescue workers will need at least 20 hours with the timeline to prepare for the next operation, but that things could also change based on water levels. we know it's july in thailand. it rains a lot. rain is in the forecast and if those water levels rise in the cave, that of course increases the sense of urgency there. monday's rescue was actually carried out four to five hours ahead of schedule because of favorable conditions. basically, at this point, what divers are doing is resting, trying to get ready to take the remaining five members of this soccer team, of course, the four boys and their coach, out of that cave, but so far, it appears that today's operation went quite well. all eight boys in an isolation unit in that building there in the hospital behind me.
and the recovery begins for them, while we wait with bated breath, really, to see if authorities can continue their successful streak here and come tomorrow here in thailand, extricate the last five people remaining deep underground in that cave. >> absolutely. all right, matt rivers, thanks so much, matt. we're going to get back to ivan watson when we can reconnect with him. he's at the cave following everything from the ground there. but let's now talk about the -- it's dark, it's deep, it's dangerous. the rescue mission has gone remarkably well, considering what the divers, what those teams are up against. cnn's tom foreman is here with much more on that. so tom, lay out for viewers in the very unique perspective that you can bring here, what they're up against. >> reporter: kate, it has gone remarkably well to the point of almost being miraculous. look at it this way. these divers with covering 11 hours to cover the 2 1/2 miles in and back out again. now they're doing it in 9 hours with the boys in tow. and we're learning more about exactly how they're
accomplishing that. it's roughly the same 18 divers who started the thing who are still carrying forward. so they've taken on a huge burden here. what they're doing with each boy is they're putting each one into a wet suit and a full body mask. the wet suit to help them with the cold, maybe to help them move through those tunnels a little bit better. that boy is then tethered to the first diver who carries the air supply for both of them. they're all holding on to a line to get in and out and followed by yet another diver to make sure they can move safely through. but they are doing this in the most hostile environment you can possibly imagine. look at this, this is the cave, and what we know about the layout, which is very limited. there's still problems about what we know, but by some indications, a full kilometer or a quarter of this remains fully submerged. it may not be all in one place, but that's equal to 11 football fields that these kids and divers have to go through on the way out, underwater. and in some cases, when they go through the cave, they're also
passing through entrances that are really no bigger than a single human being, with cold and currents and limited visibility. huge challenge. and yet, look where we are. we went into the weekend with that many people trapped in the cave, all of them, and now, here we are, by monday morning, and we're passed the halfway point in terms of people getting out. kate? >> it's really amazing how quickly things have changed. it was just last week they were still talking about it could be four months that they could be waiting this out. but tom, they have to pause now. they have to set up supplies again. they have to rest. how quickly do you think they're going to be back at it? >> i think for all of that, they're going to move as swiftly as they can. and there's one simple reason why. water. the rains are coming back. they have been pumping at their height here more than 400,000 gallons per hour to make part of this cave walkable. they substantially lowered the water level. with the rain coming back on, they know that all of that could be lost. that's why they're wasting no time at all, as tired as
everyone is, to say, get in there, get the last five, get it over with. kate? >> absolutely. tom, thanks so much for bring us the perspective. with more perspective, underwater explorers, tim taylor and christine den zizen. amazing how things have changed since we last spoke. we were talking about, this may be forced to wait this out for four months. now you have eight of the boys out successfully. give me your thoughts on how things have changed here. >> as far as my feelings about this thing, totally encouraged that this is going to happen. so i -- gagain, i don't want to cause any bad luck, but i think that this is amazing. this is an amazing feat and accomplishment. and i'm encouraged. >> christine, everyone's trying to offer some perspective, as so few people can understand what diving under these circumstances could mean. under the best circumstances,
someone has described it to me as, like the mt. everest of diving and what they're up against in this cave. what does it mean, then, to also have, essentially, someone who is as inexperienced a s a child then tethered to you and how to nafr navigate it? the challenges they're up against in there? >> first of all, this is an excellent team. the divers that they have there, there are cave divers that are seasoned and the best in the world. so that team that's been assembled are at the top of their game. that's to say that they're also dealing with duress and fatigue and all, but there's an emotional issue behind everything here that they're doing, including the kids. the kids are being very well taken care of, from everything we can see. that full face mask that we were all very cautious about actually seems to have been the right choice and the right option for them, and as much as what they're doing with these kids is they've already practiced. they're taking them into the water and pretty much just saying, just keep breathing,
we've got you. and so they're holding on to this child, it's very tactile. there's a lot of comfort for this child going through the water, knowing there's someone many front of him, someone behind him, and they've got ahold of him and all he has to do is breathe. and that's making this job a lot easier for them. they didn't really try to do too much as far as teaching them. >> i would assume, they're also managing their gas. when people think, a 12-year-old has to get in the water and dive and do all the skills that are associated with diving, as christine said, they're just breathing, they have hoses probably rigged to their own gear, so if the child breathes heavily or too much -- >> you've got to be able to gauge. >> you can gauge it, but they can also probably change tanks. they can plug in or valve over to another reserve tank, so the divers are carrying the gas source and can they have to just stay with them. >> in the event they need to communicate, this is an hour's long -- these are hours that
they're in the water. if they would have to communicate with the child, how do they? i know how we would communicate in clear water, if we're diving together. but if it's -- if it's completely dark, if it's completely murky, what do they do? >> typically, it's hand signals. it's one, one two, one two three, you have stop, go, i'm having a problem. they'll tug on the back of your buddy's fin. and they can reach back and do the same thing. and in the full face masks, you can talk underwater if you're real close to each other. and get some knowledge from that. that being said, it's not real efficient and the language has to be there. so there's another reason why the thai divers are key, because they can have the language barrier, if that was ever a chance for them to put mask to mask and try to talk through those full face masks. >> i would just add, i'm sorry, because we've worked with kids in caverns and one of the things
you establish before you get them in the water is their comfort level. make sure they're ready. and then they're also, as tim said, you really need to sort of let them know, if anything goes wrong, just grab my hand, pull on my hand. they may not remember all the signals that cave divers understand, tso with kids, they're probably saying, if you're uncomfortable, grab my hand, grab my fin and they'll know something is not right and they'll stop and do what they can. but it's going to be very, very simple for them. >> and tim, real quick, you said that the rescuers have these teams of 18, this team of 18 people and they need at least 20 hours to prepare for the next operation. the timing the change depending on the weather and the conditions. what needs to happen in these 20 hours? i mean, i would assume a large part of this is rest. >> yes. these guys are taxed environment. just the thermal loss of heat in their body, they have to replace. they have to eat, they have to sleep. they have to mentally get ready
for this. and then keep in mind, they have to go back. so they've took nine hours to get the children out. they have to go back in nine hours. so part of that 20 hours is probably them going back in to start this over again. >> can i just get your reaction to the fact that where this started, they couldn't even find them. then they found them alive and eight of them are out successfully. just your experience as divers what this is. >> i think it's the second part of this miracle. i think it's fantastic. it's wonderful. i really give incredible credit to this rescue team. because the kids, they know what they know. and they're already under a lot of stress, but the divers knew exactly what's going on. they know the dangers, they know what can go wrong. so they have that stress with them the whole time, and it's very emotional for them, knowing what they're going in to do and what could go wrong. whereas the kids, they're being told, we're getting you out, and that's all you can do. but really the dive team is who
i feel for at the moment. and hopefully we will have the last four out tomorrow. >> this is a terrestrial apollo 13, that's what it is. it's -- if this is successful, which we all hope it is, it's up with of those stories that this is the way you want it to end. you want all of these bright boys back. >> who will be telling stories of this and things that they've learned through this process, a lot to learn from the success so far. but again, still five people in there. four boys and their coach. let's see how the next 24 hours, 48 hours plays out. i really appreciate it. great to see you guys. thank you so much. following some more breaking news out of london. british foreign secretary boris johnson has resigned. he's the second cabinet minister to quit in 24 hours over how prime minister theresa may wants to handle the country's exit from the european union. brexit, of course, just last night, the top brexit negotiator, david davis, turned his resignation into may. all of this has thrown the british government into major turmoil. prime minister may is speaking
to parliament and she's defending her decisions. >> the cabinet agreed a comprehensive and ambitious proposal that provides a responsible and credible basis for regressing negotiations with the eu, towards a new relationship after we leave on the 29th of march next year. it is a proposal that will take back control of our borders, our money, and our laws. >> all right. joining me right now, cnn international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. nick, what has been the reaction there? what does this all mean? >> raucous, in a word. i mean, look, we all know what it's like in houses of parliament. there are mps shouting, there are cheers, there's jeering, and the biggest jeer came when theresa may is saying, this is what we put forward to the european union, this has been very challenging. and there were huge jeers and derision, because many see her as walking back in the face of that european opposition to the british position. and when she started back again, her voice almost sounded weaker.
look, this debate that we're hearing in parliament right now is theresa may setting out everything that her cabinet had agreed on friday, sequestered without their mobile phones, they'd all agreed to this. now monday morning, we're finding out the cabinet hadn't agreed. two key cabinet members and the current including the charismatic boris johnson are gone, they've resigned. the question, will more people follow suit? without perhaps -- you know, without sort of, you know, to be unexpected in this, the leader of the opposition absolutely castigated the prime minister saying, you've had two years to put together this brexit deal. you thought you had a plan over the weekend. it fell apart in two days. you can't leave the country, you can't save the jobs. but i think the most telling points the prime minister was getting from strong members of her own back bench who have been
longtime critics of her brexit policy, who want to see a tougher brexit, who think eashe been backsliding on her original commitments. and that tells you there may be more people who may be minded to form a leadership challenge. and the fact we haven't heard more from boris johnson through the rest of today tells us that perhaps that's the corps it's going to come to. theresa may is in a very weak position, put down by the opposition, no surprise there. but really given a rough ride by many members of her own conservative party. that's where her weakness lies right now. and of course, on top of all of this, this is what she laid out is only her plan. a plan essentially to keep the conservative party together in these brexit negotiations. there's no indication at all that the european union will sign up or agree to this. and that's part of the problem. because people think she's weak. the european union will apply more pressure, they won't be happy with this and she may
backslide further. >> yep, can theresa may survive all of this is now the new question after we see these resignations. and now what does this all mean as president trump will be heading there very soon next week. great to see you, nic. thank you so much. coming up for us, break out your countdown clock. president trump's pick for the supreme court, he said he would make his decision by noon today. the latest details on one of the most consequential decisions of president trump's tenure. that's next. still ahead, is michael cohen sending the president a message? his lawyer's cryptic tweet after rudy giuliani asked cohen to tell the truth. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ♪ ooh i'm not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! ♪ we'll make heaven a place on earth ♪ yeah! oh, my angels! ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪
the announcement scheduled for a big prime-time reveal. but there's no need to hype the gravity of this decision. that is not lost on the president. this morning tweeting this, i have long heard the most important decision that a u.s. president can make is the selection of a supreme court justice. will be announced tonight at 9:00 p.m. cnn's abby phillip is at the white house for us. abby, we are just hours away from that announcement. so where do things stand right now? what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, kate, as far as we know, it seems like president trump hasn't fully settled on the person that he wants to choose for this position. now, he is waiting up until the minute and perhaps for good reason. this is, as he pointed out, one of the most important decisions a president can make. it is his second supreme court pick of his presidency so far. and what he has gotten over the last several days is just an avalanche of feedback from conservatives inside of washington, outside of washington, weighing in on these four candidates you see on the screen. one of the key bits of information the president would
have gotten is from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, who has weighed in telling the president who he thinks could be the easiest to confirm. those would be raymond kethledge and thomas haidrdimaide hardima being the runner up last time around. and someone who people weren't exactly sure would end up this in final four, and here we are. and it seems like the president is weighing that, but he's also weighing a lot of conservatives who have weighed in a lot of the other candidates. brett kavanaugh who was seen as a favorite for this post up until the last few days ago. and amy coney barrett, up with of the only women on the list and one of the few women in the finalest range here as we got into this last week. so the president is just hours away from this. i have to say, kate, leahe's be shifting his timeline for deciding for several days. he has until 9:00 p.m. tonight to make the final decision. and we don't know exactly when that's going to be, kate.
>> abby, great to see you. thank you so much. let's talk to two people now who know some of these candidates and have some idea who of they think the president should choose. jonathan nadler is hear who knows two of the candidates, barrett and kavanaugh. thank you both for being here. really appreciate it. tha jonathan, you know kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. cavanaulvvanaugh is the most traditional choice, you say. >> he has experience on the d.c. second circuit. he has executive branch eexperience. he has extensive private sector experience. so if you're looking for someone who fits the mold of a traditional supreme court nominee, he certainly fits that. judge barrett, because he's primarily been an academic, is a slightly different sort of
candidate for this position. it's been a long time since a president has nominated someone whose reputation is primarily based on their economic scholarship. but she's a very well respected. >> is that why you -- why you kind of put her as the dark horse candidate? is that why? >> a little bit. i mean, she's only been on a federal court for eight months. no one questions her intellect. she is a very well-respected scholar. she's written some very important work. and she has an impressive intellect. but she doesn't fit the mold that we've come to expect in supreme court nominees. >> so terry, you and your group have written a letter to the president, making the case that amy coney barrett is the best of all of the candidates. you think he's anything but a dark horse choice. tell my why. >> look, i think there are three things that make amy barrett stand out, and that's that she's confirmable, battle tested, and not a stealth candidate. she's a candidate in the mold of
antonin scalia. back in november, she went through rigorous tests and she brought over three democrats. donnelly, manchin and kaine. and i think that puts the democrats -- i'm sorry, donnelly in manchin in very tough positions coming up in the confirmation hearings, and trump will take that into consideration, how the u.s. senate plays into this. >> terry, i've seen you say, it would be better to just leave the seat open until next year than fill the seat with a weak nominee. are any -- you clearly think koc coney waibarrett is a strong nominee, but are any of the three finalists weak, do you think? >> last week, emotions were very high across the movement and i think rightfully so. this is going to be president trump's most important decision that he makes in his presidency, at least so far. but emotions have subsided and the facts and the records have been analyzed.
and the movement right now that feels that any of these four candidates would be a huge improvement. they range from good to great. and we're going to be lucky if we get any of them. and i think the conservative movement will rally behind any of the four nominees that have been put forth. >> okay. jonathan, all the reporting from the weekend is that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has made the case to the president that judge kethledge and judge hardiman, the two we haven't talked about yet, are the most confirmable in his view. that they face the least obstacles. and to mcconnell, it seems to all be about their paper trail. do you think that's the case? >> i think any of the four would eventually be confirmed. i think the concern that mcconnell raised is that someone like judge calkavanaugh has wrin close to 300 opinions. over a hundred of them involved complex administrative law questions. that's a lot of material to go through. judge barrett has written some very dense, thoughtful law review articles that will also
take time to go through. and i think he's concerned that if one of the two of them were nominated, senate democrats would claim they need more time to review the records. but i think both of their records are comparable in terms of the amount of paper of other nominees that have gone through on a relatively quick pace. soy understand his concerns, but i think any of the four nominees would be confirmed and should be confirmed on the schedule that he set forth. >> well, let us see, shall we? thank you so much for coming. i want to bring in someone who will have a key vote in this process. republican senator john kennedy of louisiana. he sits on the senate judiciary committee. senator, thanks for coming in. >> you bet, kate! >> so you have said the justice you're looking for would be a cross between socrates and harry. do any of these candidates fit
that profile? >> i like what i see on paper. but i don't know yet, that's why we're having a confirmation process. i'm looking for somebody smart, obviously. somebody who's intellectually curious, open-minded. someone who's willing to test his or her assumptions against the arguments of those who disagree. i want somebody at the same time who has the courage of his or her convictions. and i don't want to hate her. i want somebody -- i'm rather fond of the constitution, i think we all are, and i want somebody who respects the bill of rights and understands why we have a bill of rights. you really can't tell whether that standard can be reached until you have confirmation hearings. >> you've given it to some of the nominees for other judicial posts. i remember watching many a hearing from you. but what's the dirty harry element of this? what about dirty harry are you liking here? >> well, this is -- you've got
to know what you believe and when you think you're right, be willing to stand up and be counted. at the same time, a good judge is open-minded and willing to test his or her assumptions against their critic's argument. so that's both dirty harry and socrates. >> who knew they were so alike. mcconnell, according to multiple reports, is saying that kethledge and hardiman are going to be the easiest to confirm. do you agree with senator mcconnell? >> i think there's going to be a war, regardless. look, that's senator mcconnell's job. he's in management. i'm not. i just want to pick -- i want the president to pick the very best person and then allow us plenty of time to see how these folks think, this person thinks. this may be the most important vote i'll take, certainly, one of the most important votes i'll take in the united states
congress. >> that's for sure. >> and i don't come in -- look, i take my job seriously. we all do. i'm not a rubber stamp for anybody. i got some hard questions, whoever the president nominates. >> you want to me tell me what your first question is? >> i'm going to delve into how they interpret a statute, and therefore, how they would interpret the constitution, when it's not clear. i want to understand how they think the judiciary fits in, in the madisonian balance of separation of powers. i want to know what they see as the purpose of the bill of rights. i think the bill of rights is not for the high school quarterback or prom queen. i think the bill of rights is for someone who sees things a little bit differently and has the right to do that. i'm going to use my time wisely, i hope. >> well, we will be watching. i've got to ask you, though.
you just returned from a trip with a handful of other senators from russia. how exactly did you put to it your counterparts when you were in the thinking, when you say you were asking them not to interfere in the election and what was the response in the room? >> well, i can't speak for my colleagues. i went for two reasons. number one, to deliver a message. i delivered that to the foreign minister, to the speaker of the house, and to a number of their senators. and this is what i said. number one, stop screwing with american elections. number two, get out of eastern ukraine and let them self-determine. number three, get out of crimea and let crimea self-determine. number four, stop crewing around in syria and help us settle the mess. and number five, do not allow iran to get a foothold in southern syria. because if you do that, there's going to be another war. israel is not going to stand for it. >> did you really -- look, they were, the foreign minister meeting was probably the toughest. we exchanged words.
he's a bully. he impressed me as the sort of guy who started out in the world as a smartass and worked his way up. and it was pretty tough meeting. but i think our message was delivered. and my colleagues did the same thing. i also was able to draw some conclusions about russia. people say, well, what kind of political system do they have? they don't have -- it's all about putin. they don't have a political philosophy. i mean, what's the political philosophy of the mafia? you know? there is none. it's all about money and power. and there's no free press. >> so, did you leave that meeting anymore confident that the upcoming election will happen free of russian interference? >> i don't know. i really don't know. but i told them, and my colleagues did as well, look, if you screw with the elections this fall, the sanctions -- the congress is going to double down on sanctions. and you're not going to like it.
>> what did he say to you? i assume the reaction was, we didn't do it, because that's when we've heard publicly. but what did they say to you? >> well, it got testy at times. they, of course, deny everything. but -- and i expected them to. look, the last time that the russian government embraced western values and democracy was never. we're not going to convert their political leadership. we're going to have to contain them. and the only way to contain them, you don't have to be ugly about it, but you've got to be very, very firm. dealing with putin is like hand-feeding a shark. you can do it, but you have to do it very, very carefully. >> senator, did you really say, "stop screwing with our election"? you really said that to the foreign minister? >> yes. yes. >> i want to make sure i got the quote? >> we didn't hit it off very well at all. >> it sounds like it.
>> the foreign minister -- >> as someone who wasn't there, your recall of it sounds like you guys aren't getting a beer anytime soon. >> we're not. he's a bully. and i didn't much appreciate it. and i told him. >> what was the plbullying tact? now i'm fascinated. take me in there. >> he's just always trying to get you off balance. for example, i called him mr. ambassador and he made a big play about the fact that he wasn't an ambassador, he was a foreign minister. he tried -- if you ask him a question, he tries to turn the question back on you. he's belligerent. like i say, i mean, i don't mean disrespect, but he have started out as a wiseass and worked his way up. i didn't much appreciate it. we didn't yell at each other or call each other names, but we were both pretty firm. >> real quick, this -- i have now got a million more questions. but this is all ahead of the president meeting with putin next week. he was asked -- you've brought up crimea when you were over
there. he was asked by reporters on air force one a couple of weeks ago if recognizing the annexation of crimea would be up for discussion and his response to reporters was, "we're going to have to see." do you think that's a real possibility coming out of a face-to-face with putin? >> i don't know what the president is going to talk about with president putin, but i know this. the crimea should be allowed to self-determine. so should eastern ukraine. now, the russian government, i want to distinguish the russian government from the russian people, who deserve better. their position is, we didn't do anything. well, they're not telling the truth. we know they did. we know they meddled in our election. the most immediate of threat, the most immediate threat, though, to world peace, is frankly in syria. if russia keeps playing footsie with the iranians and lets them establish a foothold in southern syria, the israelis are going to knock the hell out of them. and that's just a fact. >> are you -- just, finally, are
you nervous about president trump meeting face to face with putin? >> no. i'm curious. i don't -- my expectations are low. i'll say, you're not going to convert putin. you'll have to contain him. >> senator john kennedy, thanks for coming in. always a pleasure. >> you bet. >> and always leaves me with a hundred more questions. we'll have to have him on again. yesterday, rudy giuliani asked michael cohen to, quote, tell the truth about donald trump jr.'s fateful trump tower meeting, but today cohen's lawyer seems to be warning trump's team to be careful what they wish for. what's going on? that's next. if you have medicare
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this to say after the weekend. >> if he believes it's in his best interests to cooperate, god bless him. he should cooperate. i think the man has been horribly treated by the people he's going to cooperate with. but, you know, sometimes you have no other choice. i do not expect that michael cohen is going to lie. i think he's going to tell the truth, as best he can, given his recollection. and if he does that, we're home free. >> this morning, cohen's new lawyer, lanny davis, tweeted this cryptic response. did rudy giuliani really say on sunday shows that michael cohen should cooperate with prosecutors and tell the truth? seriously? is that trump and giuliani definition of truth? trump and giuliani next to the word "truth" equals ox y moron. stupid. here with me now, gloria borger. so you've within talking to your sources about this. what is this all about? >> look, i think that michael cohen has decided to fight back against rudy giuliani and his client, donald trump. and my sources are telling me
that he said that the truth is not you or your client's friend. now, these sources say what cohen has decided to do is effectively hit the reset button here and is that he is continuing his commitment to tell the truth. now, a source familiar with cohen's thinking tells me that he feels that he's getting a strong signal from the president and from rudy giuliani that if his version of the truth doesn't coincide with their version of the truth, then they will continue their attacks on him. so, you know, you see this as a game going back and forth. i should also say that my sources will not reveal what it is exactly that cohen knows, for example. and refer us to his attorney, who is not speaking publicly at al all. >> but is there signal then, that cohen is cooperating with
prosecutors at this point? >> well, we do not know that he is. we do not -- his -- my sources will not comment on whether there have been any conversations with prosecutors. it seems to me that cohen, at some point, will have conversations with prosecutors, but we just -- you know, we just don't know. and we don't know why cohen is doing right now other than that i can tell you he is frustrated, he is infuriated by rudy giuliani and feels kind of shunted aside by the person that he was the ultimate loyalist for, who's, of course, the president of the united states. >> one source telling you, this is his fourth of july moment, fighting fire with fire. this is really amazing how it's playing out. >> well, it is. and i think what michael cohen wants us to think, and it's probably the truth, is that
there's a lot that he has not said. he's testified, as you know, before congressional committees for dozens of hours, so he's talked to them. but on certain topics, which were raised on sunday shows, for example, about the trump tower meeting with don jr., et cetera, we don't know what he knows about any of that. nor will we, for a while. but i think this is a shot across the bow that says, wait a minute here, you're daring me to tell the truth, well, i'll do that. >> great to see you, gloria. coming up for us, up against a deadline. young children separated from their families at the border weeks ago were supposed to be reunited with their parents, the youngest by tomorrow. but the government says, they may not be able to do that. why? helping new customers
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call for your free publisher kit today! a court order deadline told the trump administration to get the immigrant children reunited with their parents. the youngest by tomorrow. sounds simple enough, right? apparently not. just a few hours from now, government lawyers are going to be back in court to try to argue that they need more time to do this. but why? cnn's miguel marquez is live in brownsville, texas. so miguel, what are you hearing from families there who have been waiting -- who are waiting still to see their kids? >> reporter: yeah, that there was no plan at all for them to reunite with their kids. and it's not just those under 5, it is all parents across the board that were swept up in this zero-tolerance policy. they're going to have problems. >> reporter: a mother's anguish, separated from her son. only god knows what we've been
through, she says. brenda alvarado separated from her 6-year-old son, jordy, for over a month. brenda and four other parents who spoke to cnn now facing what the trump administration promised was a process for reuniting with their kids. more parents like them getting out of detention every day. all of them now desperate to hold their children again. it's not right for them to detain my son, she says. he hasn't committed any crime. i don't know what to tell him. she visited her 10-year-old son being detained here in brownsville. they've been separated more than a month, despite having documents proving their relationship, officials here won't turn him over to his mother. i already gave them information and documents, she says, but they said they need fingerprints from all the people where i'm going to stay and that alone will take 15 days.
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did the united states threaten to pull military aid from a latin american country over breastfeeding? that's exactly what "the new york times" is reporting, threatening ecuador wi. joining me right now, jason carroll. i'm sorry, what, please, details. >> i know this is very important to you, you just had a baby. definitely something that has a number of folks scratching their heads about this. first, the benefits of breastfeeding has been well documented for decades, yet according to "the new york times," u.s. officials attempted to weaken a resolution to encourage breastfeeding. "the times" says the resolution promoting breastfeeding was introduced this past spring at geneva at the world health assembly. many countries expected it to pass without any issue. those who attended the meeting tell "the new york times" those
in the united states delegation pushed for language to weaken that resolution and in doing so sided with the interests of infant formula manufacturers. the u.s. wanted to remove language that called on governments to protect, promote, and support breastfeeding, a resolution did ultimately pass with the help of russia, who reportedly stepped in to stop the u.s. from pressuring other countries to see their way. the department of health and human services says "the times" take is simply not accurate. a spokesman tells cnn the united states was fighting to protect women's abilities to make the best choices for the nutrition of their babies. many women are not able to breastfeed for a variety of reasons. these women should not be stigmatized, they should be equally supported with information and access to alternatives for health of themselves and their babies. still waiting for a response from the state department on this, but the big question is, how are you then helping women
who can't breastfeed by weakening language, you know, promoting women, you know, for breastfeeding? that seems to be really the key issue here. >> i'm just going to leave it at yes. that's exactly right. i don't know why one would be against said resolution or language. jason, it's great to see you. coming up after the break. is michael cohen sending a message to the president? [ coughs ] ♪ ♪ [ screams ] ♪ [ laughs ] ♪ whoa, whoa, whoa. your one item would be the name your price tool? it helps people save on car insurance. why wouldn't it save me? why? what would you bring? a boat. huh.
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welcome to "inside politics," i'm dana bash, john king has the day off. the president's former fixer michael cohen has an ominous message for mr. trump, the truth is not your friend. all while the president sets the stage for a drama his way, his second supreme court pick in a primetime announcement. and an update on members to save members of a youth soccer team who got stranded deep inside a cave in thailand. >> translator: the four boys