tv New Day With Alisyn Camerota and John Berman CNN July 13, 2018 4:00am-5:01am PDT
good morning, welcome to your "new day." i'm john berman in london today. president trump set off a political explosion here in the united kingdom. she rolled out the red carpet, he pulled it out from right underneath her. at this moment they're meeting behind closed doors. the president not looking all that comfortable but the prime minister maybe trying to ease that a bit. they are meeting at this moment to talk about military issues, he says, and trade. it comes after this extraordinary interview, i have
it right here in a british tabloid owned by rupert murdoch. the president criticized the way she is trying to remove europe from the -- england from the european union. and then saying boris johnson would be a great prime minister. he said that england is losing it's culture. reminiscent of words we have heard before historically speaking. some of them taking place at this moment, let's begin our coverage with kaitlan collins.
kait? >> i can't under state what this interview is like and the effect it is halling here in london. you just don't do something like this where you go to a country where you're being hosted by the prime minister and completely under cut her with a stunning interview that dropped last night that the white house thought would be published after their meeting. the president criticizing her plan for brexit saying she didn't listen to his advice. doing that and praising her rival, boris johnson who resigned from the cabinet this week. several stunning remarks. also the one about the u.s. and u.k. trade deal and thousands cold water on it, something that teresa may was really counting
on. listen to these plans facebook brexit. >> i would have done it differently. i told theresa may how to do it and she didn't listen to me. it is a much different deal than the people voted on. it was not the deal in the referendum. if they do that, i would say that it would probably end a major trade relationship with the united states. i was very surprised and saddening that he was getting out of government. i'm not pitting one against the other, i think he would be a great prime minister. >> so the president saying he is not pitting them against each other, but that boris johnson would be really good at there
theresa's job. >> i think what happened in europe is a shame. allowing the anymore graduation to take place is a shame. unless you act very quickly, it will never be what it was. and i don't mean that in a positive way. >> now, theresa may and donald trump just met face to face for the first time since the interview dropped. the president tressistressing t have a very good relationship. but when the president was asked by the american reporters in the room if he regreeted the comments he made, the president didn't answer but looked visibly annoyed. rolled his eyes, shook his head, he didn't want to comment on it
sitting there face to face with theresa may. >> he won't be able to avoid it. the british nor the u.s. press will let this one slide. it will be very interesting to see. they're sweeping up the stage right now, perhaps they will sweep up the mess afterwards either. there are protests, protesting the president's visit earlier this morning. that balloon flying this morning mocking the president. >> important to remember that this is right next to the houses of parliament where you would expect the u.s. president to have his visit, instead there they are, and his satirical likeness of drungs, an
inflatable version of him as a baby in a diaper clutching a mobile phone was only allowed up for two hours. he criticized the mayor's record on immigration, crime, terrorism, and things that have nos to nothing to do with him, the day is just getting under way here. there are people expressing their displeasure in all sorts of ways. a police tape with expletives within stickers, something in a trump mask and a gorilla suit as well. but it is in this area we will see tens of thousands of protestors move as the turmoil heats up outside of london. >> thank you, we will keep our
eye on the protests, the president also attacking their mayor. we spoke with the mayor earlier and she joins me now. you had a chance to ask the mayor, and the mayor has been going back and forth with trump about what it is like and how to choose to stand up to him. >> the mayor responded to what is left. he has a feud with me. trump talked about banning muslims. you know we have lost dozens of people in the last year in four major terrorist attacks and he said this is not something to play politics with so he has written a newspaper article saying when you have the special relationship you have to be
honest and able to talk about it. i asked him, there are very few leaders that when criticized actually respond. that is not what he does, this is what he told me about that. >> do you feel you're one of the few public officials that does speak up for those values? nato leaders have been berated, none of them really speak out. >> we should not powcower to pee we disagree with. i don't understand why our prime minister and others across the world are afraid to say to president trump that we agrew with you on many things, but we think you're wrong on this. >> yeah, and you know he also is responding to the newspaper
where the president really singled out the mayor, and he said first it is not my migration policy, and our crime is not up. >> i want to bring in ian now, and the big picture here, what a fire storm this interview is causing overnight directly under mining the meeting that is happening right now. you say there is no special relationship any more, what do you mean? >> it is clearly not relevant to the trump administration and president trump. hiss interest for maintaining allies is pretty much zero.
every course that he has taken has been opposed by the uk. it is the way he engaged on nato. most recently the way he is showing up. she hosting him on the worst week she has had as prime minister thus far. losing members of her cabinet, and facing the england loss from the world cup, but my god everyone is talking about it there in london. then to pile on and say i really like boris johnson, i might meet with him while i'm there, he would be a great prime minister. and this is not relevant today at all. they cannot negotiate it for a ways off. it's not like anyone really
needs to talk about this issue. this was gratuitous to jump all over an eu that he doesn't like, he feels constrains the united states, an a brexit that he thinks will be should be as hard as possible. >> i guess this is not pouring salt in a wound, it is dumping a salt mine on a wound. >> yes, it is very apt, what he said in the beginning, i know in the docorridors of power, they pulled themselves out of a major appliance, it is a very, very strong block. and the capital has decreased since then. the weight not as hefty as it used to be. now it will be punching below it's weight because it is isolating itself from the other
big block, the eu. so i think that is a real problem. when it comes to boris, he has been accused by many in his own party of caring only about himself. one correspondent said that his allies aid the weight of history will collapse down and bury him. >> that is sort of what president trump just did with boris johnson. i want to talk about statements he made about the fabric of europe. he said that europe is losing their culture. i want this to sink in for people. >> i think what is happening in europe is a shame, allowing the
immigration to take place in europe is a shame. i think it changed the fabric of urine. europe. this is the language of the far right in your far right. i'm not sure that some of the far right would go this far. marine le pen in france may be more careful in seeing those things. it harkens back to some language that has been very damaging in european history. >> i think she would be very comfortable with that language. he is not talking about all americans or black americans, he is talking about trump supporters. he is more than willing to couch that when it is useful.
it points to the momentum politically tool. if you ask who he has momentum with right now, it is trump. let's be very clear. his popularity ratings are higher than mays. they're higher than macron in france, higher than merkel in france, they're only lower than putin, who is not in a democracy. and saying you're ruining european values because you're letting muslims in, dark people, parts of your cities that did not even exist before, that is not okay. that is "the sun" readership in the uk, they love it. that is what you saw in making merkel weaker in her alternatives, it is why italy now has a government quite excited about trump and their prime minister coming to the white house.
it is absolutely going to come on board because he won on this antimigrant message. he said close down the ports, no more libyans coming in. >> of course there are people that support him, there are precisely the people that they reference that support him. it was to a large extent an antiimmigrant vote. as was happening in the united states. it was about wanting to keep the u.s. white, christian, and dominant. and what we have to say, this is the dog whistle tribal identity politics that are winning today, but the facts don't support that immigrants are bringing crime or
ruining the culture. that is not true. in germany it is not true, here it is not true. we have to be clear about the facts and politics around migration. that is the poison. . >> and a very direct comment about what is happening in this country, thank you for being with us. alis alisyn, it is very interesting to see here, it will be interesting to see what happens when they come out of this meeting. >> i see your drama and i raise you drama. all of the grand standing and yelling what did peter strzok reveal about what the fbi knew about this russia investigation.
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all right, are so it is a very fiery hearing, fbi peter strzok and his biassed text messages. >> he kicked you off because of an appearance that you were worried about. >> my testimony was that he kicked me off because of my bias. i'm stating to you it is not my understanding that he kicked me off any based on the appearance. i don't appreciate what was originally said being changed. >> i don't give a damn what you appreciate. i don't appreciate an fbi agent working on two major investigations with so much animous. >> thank you, senator ben carden for being here. that was some of the fiery exchanges. we also saw it yesterday during this hearing.
yet there was also substance. let me play the moment where he explains the red case for why they opened an investigation into russia and the trump campaign. here is that moment. >> the information that we had that was alleged a russian offer of assistance from the trump campaign, was extraordinary significance. it was an extraordinary and credible source. senator, what did you hear at this hearing? what did we learn from it? >> alisyn, this was clearly a show put on by the republicans. mr. strzok has certain views, he was very open about that, the question is not his personal political views, it's how it affected his responsibilities as an fbi agent, and there is no evidence that it affected his
way of participating in the information. none of that was made available before the investigation. so i think we're really being distracted by this hearing, and i think that was probably the main purpose to try to raise questions again about the mueller information. >> that point came out so loud and clear yesterday. . yes he had bias, the text messages revealed that, but he never december closed or leaked the investigation about the trump campaign. and because they knew, that was in some measure -- helped president trump win.
but your republican colleges seem to be more worried about investigating the fbi than lo looking into what the fbi is investigating. >> they're trying to discredit the investigation rather than dealing with any substance. we all bring our own views and biases into our work, that's normal. if it interviews with our junctio judgment, that is a different matter, but there is no evidence that he did anything to compromise the investigation itself. >> you wrote a letter to president trump last night, can you tell us about what it said? >> i issued a we port that outlined all of the ways he has used weapons against
democracies. he is trying to compromise our system of government. the way that he interfered in europe. we have seen him really giving our allies so much problems and the way that he handled the nato summit, and he embraces mr. putin. she really saying look the facts and understand our european friends and mr. putin is not our friend? >> one of the reporters from
reuters talked about what he might agree to. >> will you suggest to him or consider stopping military exercises? >> perhaps we will talk about that. alisyn, that has me worried and i'm worried there will be a one on one meeting. all of that is of major concern that the president may g -- give concessions to mr. putin into let's go back to the u.k. where john berman is watching the station there watching the drama
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the president's bombshell interview with "the sun" is the equivalent of a diplomatic explosion. she going after theresa may before speaking with her which is going on behind closed doors right now. the interview happened overnight in brussels and it was published. did you know what you had? did you walk out saying i have something that will really blow up the president's visit to england?
>> in short, yes. it was one of those interviews that you walk out of, and you try to hide the massive grin on your face long enough to get out of the way of the u.s. embassies where we were. and you can then enjoy the moment. it was quite extraordinary. we had a ten minute slot and he said no no, they're going to stay for longer. he got quite into it. and we kept the tape rolling, and we certainly knew what we were getting. >> it is so precarious right now, other members of the cabinet leaving. did the president know the
difficulties he was causing when he said i told her how to handle brexit and she would not follow my advice, no u.s. trade deal, boris johnson would make a great prime minister, did he know the trouble he was stirring up? >> yeah, it is difficult to tell. my feeling is that he probably didn't, actually. he will be going to reset his remarks. i think it is difficult that he could have. the president wants to come here and bring her a wrapped hand grenade as her as a present, he talks straight and he answers a straight question. but you know, he is not a normal
politicia politician. most politicians talk in riddles. that is either very good to your base. and obviously a disaster if you're trying to be a diplomat on the world stage. >> a wrapped hand grenade. it was wrapped on wednesday. you went to talk to him in brussels, and we understand that it was embargoed until 11:00 p.m. last night. that was supposed to be after dinner, after his big black tie dinner where the prime minister rolled out the red carpet. explain it to me. many people look at this and say he wanted to make sure he wasn't wining and dining with her as the interview was coming out. to be honest, we carried out the
white house, and we're very grateful they didn't ask us. i don't think they thought to. we could have dropped it at any stage, i suppose. but we had a certain futbol match to watch. we were in the semifinals, and we wanted that to pass so it would have the most relevance. we chose to run it. we told them what we had about 6:00 p.m. yesterday evening as marine one was in the air. i think she would have known what was coming. you said to bill shine, who used
to work at fox news, who is owned by rupert murdoch and also owns "the sun." >> i have not spoken to him about this interview. i just know i applied for it, i have been speaking to him. >> the timing of it. what impact or brush back to you hear about it coming off. he said out loud that it is up for the people of england to decide. but people close to the would you say were saying.
>> they're all in the room, they heard every word. it was an incredibly busy summit. but he wanted to let it roll, he want today keep on talking. you know they heard every word, it surprises me, i suppose, if they thought that would be not difficult. it is not unpleasant. he talks about his love for britain, his love for the queen. he said nothing negative about her as a person, he said he respected her, but if you want
to think anyone that has done politics one on one will cause trouble. especially when you're arriving and taking someone's hospitality for the next day. we have more manners, and it seems a tad discourteous to drop that hand grenade when your host has done out of their way to host you. there is a lot of british politicians today that are accused of that. >> as you were interviewing the president and sarah sanders was
walking around, you said it was like being in the court of a midevil emperor. what do you mean? >> i think it was the power, we're not used to such an incredible display of might, when theresa may leaves check rr ers. we travel in a small blueprint, when the president lands, it is an army. the lay down of force and might is impressive. and whatever the president says seems to go.
he didn't have any that was particularly scripted. it seems to have come from the heart, there is an advantage to that and a disadvantage to that. she an extraordinary communicator. he is known all over for whuktiwhuk communicating the way he does. if he starts scripting stuff, and sounds like other politicians, maybe he will not get reelected. >> did sarah sanders try to stop it? did he actually try to push her away? >> no, not as aggressive as that. she said you had your ten minute slot, we were told beforehand we only had ten minutes and we were very grateful for it, she said
right, guys, last question, and the president said give these guys more time, and he kept talking and answers our questions. he was quite into the conversation. we talked about things that interested him. british politics, brexit, the london mayor, he seemed to be quite enjoying it. who is anyone on his staff to tell him not to, he is the president after all, isn't he? >> thank you for being with us, congratulations on this interview, a wrapped hand grenade as you put it, thank you, thomas. joining me now for reaction and analysis, fareed zakaria. you were listening to thomas there describe this moment, this
wrapped hand grenade, as he put it. i guess the sun held on from wednesday to last night. what is your reaction? >> i think they waited because they knew they had a bombshell. this was probably the most severe crisis in british american relationships since the crisis of the mid 1950s. you a president who has used his power to undermine allies. britain's relationship with the european union is the single most important thing in the
european union and has been for decades. so how they manage to retain access to that european market is a very complicated issue. that is why theresa may is trying to find a soft brexit option. he doesn't have any plan how he would manage that plan. promoted one of her chief rivals and it is the height of irresponsibility. no american president that i can think of has ever done this even with a neutral country. this is the closest ally of the united states within the president came close to bringing down it's prime minister. >> he said that it is coming across as discourteous.
>> yes, but that is just the half of it. the more important point is that it is substantively undermining the prime minister and the negotiation with europe. britain is trying to retain all of their access to the european market, which is it's largest customer buyer and seller, and not be bound by some of the rules. in the middle of this, what teresa may needed was violence or support. instead she gets this commentary. there is no grand solution that he had. he says if only she listened to me. that is all frankly quite non
sense. it is so hard because it is an um impossible square to circle. in the middle of it, their best friend, the historic ally of great britain, the president of the united states coming in and just blows the whole thing up. i can't think of the strategic purpose this searrves the unite states. they are cruel to their friends, disruptive in the middle of a delicate negotiation with no better plan. >> let me give you one possible explanati explanation. i read this op-ed in the "washington post" this morning, suggesting that what the president is doing overseas is not about the audience here, it is about the audience at home, explain. >> that is the sad part of this,
i don't think he cares about the damage he does. he is trying to remake the republican party in his own image. they have been very prointernationalist. profree trade, proimmigrant. the r r reghan free trade, in doing that, this is all part of explaining themselves of recasting the republican party. what is striking to me is you have all of these senior republican internationalists that populated remember administrations from the reagan administration, they are all
quiet. they don't believe in what he is saying. maybe it is power or fear. the foreign policy elite has capitulated to his protection itch, nationalism, and race baiting, frankly. >> i recommend people read oryo op-ed. there was a ten-hour fiery hearing yesterday, john, where peter strzok, the fbi agent that sent disparaging texts about trump appeared in front of lawmakers. did he help or hurt the agency yesterday?
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it. at every step, at every investigative decision there are multiple layers of people above me, the assistant director, deputy director and director of the fbi and multiple layers of people below me, section chiefs, supervisors, unit chiefs, case agents and analysts all of whom were involved in all of these decisions. they would not tolerate any improper behavior in me. joining us to talk about this is josh campbell, former fbi supervisory special agent. josh, look, the republicans' point is he could not do his job effectively because he held bias. how do you think peter strzok did in defending himself and did he help or hurt the agency? >> as an analyst i'll leave it up to the american people to make up their own mind as far as who they believe but an important calculus, an ingredient we have to look at is credibility. when you look at peter strzok sitting before congress, this is someone who has proven what we know, that fbi agents are human
beings and not infallible. this is someone that few would question he exercised bad judgment in the decisions he made but the question came down to was what he did politically motivated and did it impact the election? the inspector general said although we're undecided as far as the political calculus, it doesn't appear that impacted the investigation. that was the key point. the second of which being this was his opportunity to finally speak for himself. he's been caricatured, lambasted by the president, house republicans over the course of many months so the american people got to see and hear from him. what is interesting alisyn, is when you compare him, the person sitting at that witness table, with those conducting the inquestion sainkw inquisition at the dais it couldn't have been more stark. you had people that just wanted to sling one liners and embarrass the witness. i don't think this was the proper venue, he did the best he could under the circumstances. >> josh, traditionally republicans have presented
themselves as the party of law and order and there's been a sense they've got law enforcement's back. in this new environment where the politization seemeds to be directed at members of the fbi, is that reputation suffering monk the rank and file? >> i don't know if the reputation is, but i have seen this -- kind of a pattern and cascade when i talk to my former colleagues in the fbi, these political attacks first started so after the president became elected and you had the fbi saying his campaign is under investigation, that's when the slings and arrows started coming out. i would talk to my colleagues who would say this is where you have republicans, the quote/unquote party of law enforcement, that are turning their wrath on us. that's escalated into anger. i talked to my former colleagues who say the nonsense, we're getting tired of it, how can you have a political party that is out here going after a law enforcement entity for the sole purpose of trying to undermine its credibility in an investigation? it's something that is really starting to get under the skin of fbi agents and other law
enforcement officers watching this and folks will look at this and say will this have political consequences in the fall? that's something we'll have to watch. >> josh, there was substance, a little bit, that snuck in to all of the incendiary environment and, you know, peter strzok couldn't say a lot because it was an open hearing. he said the fbi had advised him not to say much because this is an ongoing investigation into what russia did with the trump campaign. he did explain why they opened the investigation to begin with. >> i think trying to keep this at a level not talking about open investigations -- >> only your -- >> yes, ma'am. the predicating information, the information we had which was alleging a russian offer of assistance to a member of the trump campaign was of extraordinary significance. it was credible, it was from a sensitive and credible source. >> so we don't know that source.
they were trying to get stuff out of him and he wouldn't even say the names christopher steele or glen simpson or names in the public arena. should he have said more? >> that's the issue. when we talk about the public arena, it's not necessarily the public arena because the fbi and law enforce vice president confirmed it. there may be media sources or folks reading the tea leaves through the legal processes through the courts but i don't think the fbi is in a position where they'll confirmed things and it shows you the tough and tenuous position peter strzok was in. he's trying to protect his own equities and reputation but he has to ensure as an fbi agent he continues to protect the integrity of ongoing investigations. he was in a tough spot. >> josh campbell, so great to have your expertise as somebody inside the bureau for so long. thank you so much. let's go to john berman in london covering all of the fireworks there. >> it's all about to happen. we're waiting to hear from president trump and british
good morning, everyone, welcome to your new day, it's friday, july the 13, 8:00 in new york. that's where alisyn camerota is. i'm in london. i can't do math so i don't know what time it is here but the president of the united states, president donald trump off to a political explosion, slamming the british prime minister in this tabloid interview that published minutes after he had dinner with her last night at blenham palace. she rolled out the red carpet, he pulled it out from underneath her. the president and p.rime ministr are behind closed doors at this moment. this is the photo opportunity they had at the