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i'm jake tapper. we're beginning with the bombshell breaking news, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein dropping the stunning information this afternoon ahead of president trump's summit monday with russia's president vladimir putin. a grand jury indicted today 12 russian military intelligence officers for allegedly conspiring to interfere in the 2016 u.s. presidential election, specifically the effort was to hack into the systems of the democratic nationality committee and the campaign of hillary clinton, get information, and distribute that information to affect the election. it charges a sophisticated assault on the united states election by russian military officers working in their official capacities as government officials, presumably with the okay of russian president vladimir putin. an operation national security officials say could not have happened without his approval. let's begin with cnn's shimon
prokupecz. >> reporter: jake, the 12 russian military officers are named in this indictment. their ranks are listed in this indictment. their unit in the gru is listed in the indictment. the fbi, the special counsel and the national security division of the justice department revealed a lot of details, including a lot of trade craft that the united states intelligence services and the fbi have used to identify these people. they talk about their communications, they talk about the servers that they used in malaysia and other countries around the world to orchestrate this campaign, to infiltrate the dnc, the dccc, as well as members of the clinton campaign. and obviously the entire purpose of this operation was to undermine her campaign using websites and personas such as guccifer 2.0 and dcleaks as well as wikileaks to disseminate some
of the stolen e-mails. this is a stunning indictment, because this is a focus of what the special counsel has been appointed to do and we've been waiting to see what exactly they were going to say about americans. it's very important to hear, the deputy attorney general today made clear that this indictment does not make any allegations against any americans, that they knowingly were communicating with russian intelligence. it's certainly clear they were communicating with those people. but it says there is no allegation in this indictment that they were knowingly doing so. obviously this is still an investigation that's ongoing, jake, so we'll see whether or not there are more charges that will come from this investigation that will target those americans. >> shimon, the indictment also says that the russians, specifically the russian intelligence officers of the military, they were targeted websites -- targeting websites, they were targeting technology relates to elections. tell us more about that. >> that's right.
>> reporter: that's right, jake, the allegation is that they hacked into state boards of elections, they don't name which state, and stole information related to approximately 500,000 voters according to the indictment. the indictment says some of this information has to do with people's addresses, social security numbers, dates of birth and driver's license numbers. also a company that was involved in the election, some of the tools that were used for voting, some of their systems were hacked. that is also something that prosecutors said occurred here. when you think about this, it's the first time really we're learning this level of detail, this level of information that the russians were able to get as it relates to registered voters. >> now, the indictment says that there was an individual who was in contact with senior officials of the trump campaign. then he did communicate with
russian intelligence figures, as evan points out, it does not say he did so knowingly. but those conversations were going on. i want to bring in abby phillip right now, she's traveling with president trump, she's in glasgow, scotland, where president trump will appear in the next half hour or hour. abby, one would expect the reaction of the white house to be something along the lines of the russian election interference is unacceptable, we'll bring this up with president putin, it can't be allowed to happen again, thank you to mueller and to rosenstein for bringing this to the attention of the public. what did the white house say today? >> reporter: well, that's right, jake. you would expect the white house to say something along those lines. but it was notable for as much as it didn't say, especially about the indictments and about the allegation that the russian military or officers within it were involved in this attack on america. the white house spokeswoman,
lindsey aware thawalters, relea statement that paraphrased what rod rosenstein said, specifically that the allegation doesn't implicate americans. she says there was no allegation in the indictments that americans knew they were corresponding with russians, no allegation that any american citizen committed a crime and no allegation of conspiracy, a change to the vote count or an affect to the election. but she does say, today's charges include no allegations of involvement of anyone in the campaign. this is consistent with what we have said all along. it seems very much so from that statement, jake, that the white house is trying to vindicate president trump, that that's the objective here. it's critical because we're just a couple of days away from this meeting that president trump is going to have with putin in helsinki, finland. while the president has said that he is going to talk about russian meddling with putin, he's also said in the past that
he believes putin when putin says he didn't do it. even earlier today, in england, when he was at a press conference with theresa may, he called -- characterized the investigation as the stupidest thing and said it was hurting his ability to have good relations with russia. it's an open question, and a lot of people are questioning right now how forcefully will president trump bring this up in the meeting with putin. and a lot of democrats right now are calling for the president to postpone the meeting. again, jake, no mention by the white house of election meddling and no condemnation at all of this action, which is essentially an attack on the united states of america, jake. >> abby phillip in glasgow, scotland, thank you so much. let's bring in our friends and experts to talk more about this. david chalian, i have to say, the white house statement seems entirely about politics, entirely about protecting the president, not at all about protecting the american people. >> i know it's not surprising, but it's not any less outrageous
because it's not surprising. this is -- so the united states department of justice puts forth a series of what it says are provable facts that they are going to be able to prove this case in court, about a direct attack on the core of our democrats, free and fair elections. and the commander in chief, the president of the united states, through his spokesperson, issues a statement that says absolutely nothing about the country being attacked, but instead is just a self-serving statement to say, see, i told you so, this doesn't involve me or my campaign. that is such a dereliction of duty, i find it truly offensive. >> also we should point out, gloria, the indictment does mention somebody who did speak with -- and it might have been unknowingly, but did speak with russian military intelligence officers and then talked to senior officials of the trump campaign. so this isn't necessarily over. it might be, but it isn't necessarily over. >> right. >> where -- as bob dole once
said, where is the outrage? >> first of all, there isn't any outrage. if there's such a thing as a narcissistic official white house statement, this is it. this is about donald trump saying, see, we didn't do anything wrong, i didn't do anything wrong. where in the statement was a congratulations to the justice department for all of its hard work and its forensic work, which is quite stunning if you read the indictment, in bringing forth this indictment. >> that's right, it's not as though they can walk in on russian military intelligence officers and interrogate them. >> they're quoting from the e-mails they clearly got or the text messages. where, where is the president of the united states saying, you know, we have to find a way to make sure that this does not occur again? this is cyber war. and we have to defend ourselves. instead, we got this self-serving statement from the president of the united states.
and you point out that particularly in section 44 of this indictment, it's not just american citizens here. these are people who work for or around the trump campaign, that they are quoting their e-mails, one of which really struck me. it said, what do you think from guccifer 2.0 -- >> guccifer is actually russian military intelligence officers. >> right. >> pretending to be a hacker. >> someone who is in contact with regular members of the campaign. what do you think of the information on the turnout model for the democrats' entire presidential campaign? the answer was, pretty standard. but it was answered. >> very interesting. you worked for bob mueller. he is the one behind the presentation of information to the grand jury. the grand jury then diets. and rod rosenstein and the prosecutors go on from there. what struck you, looking at this indictment? >> what i think mueller has given us now is part two, jake.
part one was the social media campaign. we saw an elaborate indictment against 11 organizations and individuals who used social media to impact voter perceptions. now we have part two, which is the hacking of computers, obtaining e-mails, distributing those e-mails in an effort to impact the voter outcome. so mueller has told us, here is how they did it, part one, part two. now the national security division will take that over in the justice department. mueller will look at, in respect with part one and part two, were individuals connected with the trump campaign knowingly involved in these activities. he's said nothing about that yet. he's just said people were in contact. but he didn't say whether they did so knowingly. i think that's where mueller will turn while the national security division takes over these prosecutions. >> what was your response to the
indictment? >> similar to michael, we've been expecting this indictment. we knew there were crimes with respect to the hacking and distribution and hacking into state electoral processes. it's not surprising to see that. i think if they had the goods on americans involved, they would have charged it here. but there's still work to do. we know they've been in talks with roger stone and people around him about talking to the special counsel. they do have continuing investigation to do, we may see a superseding indictment. i don't know that they've held on off that piece. i think they've been trying to do it as things come up, it's just a little bit slower and the trump camp has not been exactly forthcoming in providing witnesses. they're continuing to work in that regard. >> jennifer, what can the justice department do here? obviously these russian intelligence military officers aren't going to fly in from the kremlin and say, here i am, ready for my day in court.
they're not going to actually face any charges, are they? >> they can do two things. if they travel to a country friendly to the u.s., they can be scooped up that way. they probably won't be stupid enough to do that. the other thing is the president should be pressing putin to turn them over. this is obviously a huge attack on our country and interference in our elections. i don't think he will do that. i think given the posture he's taken so far, we know that's not going to happen. but it's what should be happening here. >> in terms of what the president is going to do when he sees putin on monday, we should remember, the deputy attorney general, rosenstein, when he gave his press conference, noted that he had briefed trump on these indictments that were likely to come down. now, knowing that, i want you all to take a listen to president trump this morning giving a joint press conference with british prime minister
theresa may, talking about the russia investigation that he knew was about to result in the indictment of 12 russian military intelligence officers for interfering with the election. take a listen. >> i think that we're being hurt very badly by the -- i would call it the witch hunt. i would call it the rigged witch hunt. i think that really hurts our country and it really hurts our relationship with russia. i think that we would have a chance to have a very good relationship with russia and a very good chance, a very good relationship with president putin. >> so it would seem that president trump believes that the issue here is not the cyber attack by the russians on the united states, but the u.s. justice department and the special counsel investigation into that cyber attack. that's the only thing you can glean from that. >> exactly. he thinks the issue is mueller and not putin. and he knew. what makes it worse is the justice department briefed him on this. and the other day, if you recall, he mentioned to
reporters, i'm going to ask your favorite question, your favorite question, about meddling. and then he said it all again today, as if he were just dismissive, dismissive of it. and he knew this. and it just doesn't make any sense. his justice department has presented him with incontrovertible evidence here, and a grand jury indictment of key putin advisers, aides, military men, intelligence officers, who wouldn't do any of this without the permission and the encouragement of vladimir putin. and it's just stunning that he would be so dismissive of mueller's work. >> hold that thought, michael. we're going to take a quick break. there's a lot in the indictments. the shocking information about who one congressional candidate reached out to in 2016 to get dirt on their opponent. that's next. plus we're going to talk with the hillary clinton campaign manager about the campaign's e-mails being
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welcome back. we're taking a deeper look at the indictment of 12 russian military intelligence officers including a very curious part of the indictment, describing how one candidate for u.s. congress reached out to a fake persona that the russian intelligence officers had created, and that congressional candidate reached out in order to try to get dirt on his or her opponent, which the russian intelligence officers provided. cnn's dana bash is with me now to talk about this. the person is unnamed. [ inaudible ]. >> hold on one second. i'm told your microphone's not working. let me fix that. >> here you go. >> she's good now, now it's working. great. >> what i was saying was the
understandable focus of this indictment is what the russians were trying to do about the dnc and dccc, and state and local ex election boards. but in this indictment, as you mentioned, there is something that looks and smells a whole lot like collusion, not on the presidential level but on the congressional level. it says the conspirators posing as guccifer 2.0 received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the u.s. congress. the conspirators responded using the guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate's opponent. so this candidate asked what we now know is a russian intelligence operative for information about his or her opponent and then got it. >> received it. >> received it. and presumably didn't just sit
on it, probably used it in some way, shape, or form, although this indictment does not say that. it says u.s. candidate for congress, we don't know who it is. there is a mad scramble to find out. >> we should point out that we don't know if this candidate was successful. >> right. >> we don't know if this person is in the house of representatives or not. >> correct. we don't know any of that. but what is the informed opinion of those who are reading this, and you can confirm this, is that it's impossible to imagine this being in the indictment and there not being some followup down the road. because the focus of the whole indictment is on the russians and not any of the americans mentioned here. >> that's right. i think to what we talked about earlier, mueller has pigeon-holed the stuff into the united states from the stuff from the united states back out. you as a prosecutor would say to
yourself, how would this congressional candidate even know to reach out to guccifer, if this information isn't being shared among others? this is not like he's reaching out to google. this is something very significant. >> let me ask you legally, even if you don't know that the person on the other end of the e-mail is russian intelligence, if you think think it's a hacker or somebody who is tooling around the dark web, is that a crime? >> it can be. just as receiving stolen property can be a crime. you don't have to know that the person stole it or was participating in the theft. you just have to know after the fact or constructively know, you know, willful blindness, that this watch is not being sold for $50 because it was legitimately obtained. so sure, they can prove by constructive knowledge that a person who received information that they should have known was stolen and then distributed it,
participan participates in a crime. >> but isn't it hard to prove that they should have known? oppo research is done all the time. >> i'm listening to you read this and i'm thinking, you can imagine the potential e-mail exchange that happened before this where the candidate is offered dirt on his or her opponent and says, i love it, let me see, and actually was doing it with russian intelligence. >> but what is remarkable about this, at least the way this paragraph is written, isn't that somebody came and said hey, i have this. it's that the candidate sought out the person. >> they asked first. >> that could be a conspiracy. or it could be aiding and abetting in the distribution of stolen materials. both of those statutes are implicated, potentially, by this conduct. >> i want to bring in cnn political commentator robby mook who obviously is the former campaign manager for hillary clinton. and robby, we're reaching you on
vacation, apologies for interrupting. i want to get your reaction to the indictment. 12 russian military intelligence officials, intelligence officers, indicted by a grand jury, charges brought forward by the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. what do you make of it? >> well, as for the fact that the russians were intervening in the elections, i think we already knew that. this is now a heck of a lot more evidence of exactly what took place, and obviously who was involved. and so i think we've now reached a point where there's no question what happened. i think the question is what we do about it. and the fact that the president of the united states seems to continue to ignore that a foreign adversary deliberately, with specially trained a little bit, tried to interrupt one of our elections and is planning to meet with president putin in two days, that should be alarming. that meeting needs to be
canceled and it should be a wake-up call to everybody. i also think what your guests were just talking about, or rather the other people on the panel, is really important. if you're a candidate for office or working on a campaign and someone approaches you with stolen material, you've got to say no and push it away. and we saw this happen on al gore's campaign where they were sent confidential information from the bush campaign and turned it away. and so i do hope that those involved in this are announced and held accountable for what they did. >> two years ago, you told me that experts had told you, this is right after the information came forward from wikileaks, it had been stolen from the dnc i believe in march 2016, you told me experts had told you it was russians who likely did it, and of course right after you and i had that conversation, i want you to take a listen to the
conversation i had, an excerpt from it, with donald trump jr. here is what he had to say about what you said about a russian hack. >> i can't think of bigger lies. it shows you what the clinton camp will do, they will lie and do anything to win. it's a rigged system and it's disgusting. people should be fed up, i certainly was. >> robby mook? >> i'm going to let that speak for itself. i've learned, once again, if you're patient in life, the truth comes out. look, the past is the past. and in fact i think one of the most important lessons coming out of this is that the experts weren't just telling this to me. everything we need to know essentially was in the first "washington post" story that came out about this, which i think was in may or june of 2016. a lot of this information was out there.
donald trump publicly told the russians to find hillary clinton's e-mails and release them. we see evidence in this indictment that the russians responded to this request. moving forward, we need to do a better job believing these things when they're right in front of us and we can do something about it. moving forward, as i said before, the president needs to cancelel th this meeting with president putin. his own justice department has put out overwhelming evidence that this happened and he needs to represent our country and our republic and not what's in his own selfish self-interest. >> the white house is underlining the fact that this indictment does not include indictments against any americans, that any american at all knowingly spoke with these russian intelligence officers, knowing that they were russian intelligence officers. do you think that's going to be the end of it or do you think or
have information that there is more to come? >> i don't think that this is the end of it. what you said is accurate, and what the white house said is accurate. however, we know that mueller is continuing toleran do his work. i think we need to let him finish his work before we draw any conclusions. roger stone himself said he's spoken to julian assange. he's withdrawn that. roger stone seemed to have advance information about e-mails being distributed. i think this raises way more questions than it answers. but it does get back to the point, whether you know someone is a russian agent or not, if someone is peddling stolen information, that's still stolen information. and we have now seen the ability of these foreign agents to quite adeptly manipulate americans into carrying out their project. and so this is a warning to everybody. this was the beginning, not the end, of this kind of meddling in
our election. and people in all parties need to be aware about protecting their information, but also resisting the temptation to play into the hand of these agents. >> robby mook, thanks so much and thanks for joining us on your vacation. a key part of today's indictment is a tactic called spear phishing. what it is and how the russian intelligence officers used it, that's next. plus all eyes on the trump/putin summit now as president trump arrives in scotland for a weekend trip ahead of monday's putin summit. stay with us. at the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's, we carry flowers that signify why we want to end the disease. and we walk so that one day, there will be a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor.
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we're back with the breaking news, the indictment of 12 russian military officers for conspiring to interfere in the 2016 election. the justice department says some of these intelligence officers used a tactic called spear phishing to hack into dnc computers and meddle in the 2016 presidential election with the e-mails they got from that spear phishing. that's when hackers send in an official-looking e-mail that lures unsuspecting recipients into sharing their personal information with this fake website. i want to bring in cnn's tom foreman. tom, how difficult is it to trace this type of attack? >> it depends on the sophistication of the attack. they'll look at the ip address of the original domain from which the e-mail is sent, then work back from there, how old is the domain, who established it, things like that. it can be very complicated if the people doing it have set up a complicated system. let's talk about exactly how it works. let's say you're an official with a big political party and
you get at the height of the campaign, an e-mail shows up in your box that says something like, averah, this is the administrator, jack in the i.t. department, someone you're not sure you know, maybe you do, and he says, we have a problem with the system, i need you to confirm your account right now, i need your password and your user i.d., send it to me so i can solve this so you don't get locked out. it's late, you're busy in the campaign, you have a million things going. same thing could happen if you were a state election official. and maybe you send it. if you do, the problem is the person who sent it never was jack in i.t. but in this case it led right back to hackers who were in turn connected to russian agents or who may have been russian agents themselves. now you've going to haiven them door into your computer. that's one of the systems rosenstein was talking about earlier today. the other thing he was talking about was the possibility that either this way or another way, because you can do it through a
computer, that what was sent in was initially some version of malware. we hear this word a lot. in this case what malware with a do is sit on your computer and start automatically collecting all sorts of information. addresses that you were using all the time to send information to, your contact list, your passwords when you signed in. it could grab screen shots when you wrote things. then it could spread out through your network, imitating you and collecting even more information. in that case you would be talking about a version that would be some sort of an automatic system or doxing. all of this, again, would link back to the kremlin. these are the two key ways we heard about today, either tricking people into sending their information through a spear phishing attack, it's called that because you target a specific group and sometimes specific individuals as opposed to everyone, but the other one is a malware attack launched in this fashion, jake.
>> tom foreman. this just in, republican senator john mccain is weighing in on the indictment today and what it might mean for the upcoming trump/putin summit. he wrote in a statement, quote, president trump must be willing to confront putin from a position of strength and demonstrate there will be a serious price to pay for on ago aggression against the united states and democracies around the world. if he is not, the summit in helsinki should not go forward. i want to bring in cnn national security analyst sam an ma vinigrad. we see president trump arriving in glasgow, scotland. samantha, you dealt with russians under president obama. is there anything in the indictment today that surprises you or is that pretty much what the obama administration suspected was happening? >> well, i think what we learned from the indictments today is that intelligence collection gets better over time, and not
worse. these indictments contain so much information, much more detailed information on these individuals and on the reach of the gru. remember, the gru, the russian military intelligence unit, we know they were up to no good in 2016. they were referenced in the january intelligence assessment that they issued. we're learning from these indictments what the gru did and the intelligence is building on itself, so we get even more information over time. >> it's unfair to hold you responsible for the entire obama, but you read this indictment and you think, boy, the obama administration really kind of missed the ball on this. yes, they issued that report, but president obama said -- what did he say, he told putin to cut it out or knock it off, it wasn't particularly strong. then there was all this hesitation about warning the american people for fear of looking partisan. in retrospect, doesn't it seem to you that perhaps the obama
administration was at least to a degree asleep at the switch? >> i'm not here to be an apol y apologist for the administration, i was gone when this happened. we need to look at what intelligence we had, 2016, 2015, 2014, when did we start to know what the russians were up to, that's question thnumber one. question number two, we know from various sources that this attack hasn't stopped, there's bipartisan agreement on that. and not one president, neither obama nor trump, has figured out how to deter vladimir putin. it's not a question about donald trump raises election meddling. it's has he prepared enough to figure out how to deter president putin from doing what he's doing. >> what would you have him do, president trump, if you could? what would you have him say to president putin in helsinki?
>> i can tell you what i would not have him do and that's to approach this as an easy meeting. president trump described this as easy a few days ago. he said he's going to be loose with president putin. history has shown that a charm offensive with president putin doesn't work. he does not respond to flattery. we know that president trump does. so if you're in russia and you're prepping putin, you're telling him to flatter donald trump, to talk about his successes. but being nice to putin is not a recipe for success. it is what donald trump has done to date. it's not deterring him. we know that president putin cares about remaining economically strong, having a military that's able to invade countries like ukraine and crimea. i would lay out costs for president putin on the financial side and even on the diplomatic stage of continued misbehavior. >> sam vinograd, thank you very much. it's something we rarely hear from president trump, an apology. kind of. did he apologize enough after
let's turn now to the president's european tour. president trump earlier held a news conference after meetings with uk prime minister theresa may. after he gave an incendiary interview to a british tabloid in which he drops a few bombs on her. he denied doing so. let's listen to what he said the day before to the tabloid "the sun." >> i would have done it much differently. i actually told theresa may how to do it, but she didn't agree -- she didn't listen to me. i think the deal she's striking is not what the people voted on. it's a much different deal than what the people voted on. it was not the deal that was in the referendum. >> so there is the president saying theresa may didn't listen to him, then took issue with her brexit leadership. he said her political rival,
boris johnson, who just resigned as foreign minister, that he would make a great prime minister. how is that not criticism? >> that is clearly criticism. i know he said he didn't criticize her but the tape proves otherwise, there's no doubt about that. but what i thought was so interesting is that theresa may kind of gave him a little bit of support in her comments at the end of the day -- at the end of the press conference. she said he is going into his meeting with putin on monday with as strong a position as possible. donald trump talked about these relationships had never been better yet we see him completely undermining the prime minister and everything she's trying to achieve on brexit. >> except he had just totally walked it back. as much as you could ever see donald trump have his tail between his legs, the picture you're seeing right now, there was a tail between his legs there, no question. he said, oh, it's up to you,
great britain, how you deal with brexit. he apologized without apologizing, but apparently he did apologize, which is like seismic in trump world. and this is so donald trump, that for all the bluster, as combative as he is on twitter, in public, on the stump, in one-on-one meetings, and i'm sure we've all heard this from people who know him and have worked with him for years, he doesn't like confrontation, which is counterintuitive. >> we're told, gloria, by a source that he did apologize to theresa may behind closed doors. >> which is stunning, as dana points out. but he did it one on one, because he got caught. and on tape, transcripts, tape, video. so he had no choice, so he apologized one on one.
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welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper. we are continuing with the stunning news, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, days before president trump's summit with russia's vladimir putin. rosenstein delivered a bombshell. a grand jury indicted 12 military intelligence officers for allegedly interfering in the 2016 presidential election, specifically for the successful effort to hack the democratic committee and the campaign of hillary clinton. stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 u.s. presidential election. the justice department says these 12 russians indicted were acting in their official capacities as members of the military intelligence unit. security agents say such an
operation could never have happened without the approval of vladimir putin. attorney general saying he briefed president trump on the charges earlier this week and, yet, even with that knowledge, president trump, in a news conference this morning, this is how he referred to the special counsel investigation. >> i think we are being hurt very badly by the, i would call it the witch hunt, i would call it the rigged witch hunt. i think that really hurts our country and really hurts our relationship with russia. i think we would have a chance to have a very good relationship with russia and a very good relationship with president putin. >> to underline this point, the man tasked with protecting the united states of america, knowing of these indictments of 12 russian military officers for a successful cyber attack against the united states, that man expressed regret ad