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i think what we have seen -- >> >> trump's next big meeting
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with russian president putin. what can we expect? >> u.s. ambassador to the u.s. here is my take. president trump's trip to europe has been portray today him and his critics as revolutionary. he tells us single handedly he got members of nato to increase their defense spending shortly. his critics claim that single handedly he wrecked the western alliance by sewing doubt and discord among america's closest partners. neither is really true. trump's demands with familiar
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american demands. it has become too dependent has considerable merit. the germans have sign up for an energy relationship that is dangerous. it is no so much by importing large amounts berlin were blackmailed, they dependent on german cash. it could allow russia to threaten eastern european countries be jacking up prices and moscow has used and abused this energy card in the best. but again, trump's complaint was often voiced by the obama administration. in neater ither of these cases approach has produced any results. the real revolution, however, in
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what donald trump is doing with his foreign policy lies at home. he is continuing with his project by instinct to remake the republican party. his foreign policy appears to be designed far republican party that is closer to the roots, distrustful of treaties and in many senses flootly isolationist. in his rallies trump describes trump's closest allies as our worst enemy and says they kill us on security and trade. he writes in new york magazine that trump is straining his base to hate nato and like putin. he has been remarkably successful. 51% of republicans now believe that the united states shouldn't defend nato allies unless they increase defense spending.
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it is to cooperate and the republican party has it ideal logically the party of free trade is far more solidly behind protectionism. the party that celebrated the optimism now contains a majority that supports separating families at the border and prosecuting undocumented immigrants. it continues to be that he recognizes the base of the republican party is right for this ideal logical revolution,
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that while the formulas may still be subscribed to by republican elites in washington and new york it is not em brabr out there in the grass roots. five years ago one wrote the speck to of isolationism is stalking the republican party. it is the new isolationism. those words were written by trump's national security adviser. it seems even to most store ward national security have to the trump revolution. for more go to and read my washington post column this week. let's get started.
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>> and let me start with you, an american who spent many many years in london and has a house in poland, what do you think -- what's the headline from trump's european tour so far?
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is he creating cay on around nato and other institutions with the desire to break them up. increasingly most people here and poland and britain and elsewhere in europe feel that he is acting like a wrecking ball. he is seeking to wreck the european union all of his aks and speech and all of of his body language is negative. it left people really scrambling to figure out what he will be doing next. >> when you listen to that macron, the president of france to flatter him, so did theresa may for that matter.
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when you say to the rest of the world that's the alliance might be worth nothing is bad for you, america. it is very bad for the west in general, which is losing consistency and substance. what we used to call a few years ago still the west is collapsing. and it is good for mr. putina ad
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a few others in the world in their dream to crush and destabilize europe and the west. so you can consider it is way you want. it's a pure disaster. >> let me ask you about the germans because president trump had some very tough words directed at jeremy and at the pipeline deal. how did germany take that? i noticed the foreign minister sbr br bristled. you will get push back from european countries. >> definitely. germany has a feeling that is constantly being picked on by the united states and by donald trump for a trade surplus.
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he is talking about german cars on american streets apparently forgetting it is the biggest factory for cars. is a sentiment of being bullied. he is not going to bully any government, any head of state into making a deal.
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one is that trump whether we like it or not is immerging as a figure, the things he is doing made a difference in the middle east and they are making a difference in europe. the other thing is he throws leaders and you have seen it.
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she seems unable to be able to know which way he is going to go. >> all right. stay with us. next we are going to talk about what trump said about immigration in europe. he called it a very negative thing. it is changing the culture. i want to know what people think of trump weighing in on that and broader european politics when we come back. ♪ ♪ let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus $1,000 bonus cash.
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trump talked about your peurope immigration and the dark tones it was arguments made by the nation until front by some of the right wing groups in germany and northern europe. it seemed to me it must be very unhelpful to the mainstream political parties. it has as many people now as the united states. it is lfrd an immigrant society. this is not something that can get reversed at some point can it? >> of course not. it is number one completely stupid and crazy. an american citizen knows what immigration means and how society can be if it is well regulated and reached by
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immigration. and number two, these sort of speeches increase the fire, the flame and it put -- it does put more fire and in the brains of the citizens. to so donald trump is playing with the match box. this is another way to destabilize europe. >> this seemed -- even though you didn't mention him by name he has describe wlad was done with regard to talking refugees in as a disaster and horrible mistake. they have been paying for that decision. again, this must not have come as a welcomed surprise donald
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trump is talking about spending enough which is partly true. of course germany is tackling due to the refugee crisis. the system was flawed for at least a decade. the whole unrest that was within the population only sort of came to the surface during the refugee crisis. of course mistakes have been made. germany has millions of immigrants that helped not just the economy but the drive to sort of have interference from abroad. we normally used putin causing confusion and rest.
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part of the president is interfering domestic politics and other countries. >> it is probably -- trump again is breaking all of the standard rules. it is unless they would apologize if they did it. again, he is going over that. the fact that he is sort of
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succeeding, whether we like it or not he is is having an effect in germany. he is having an effect in terms of what he said about nato. it is at least the possibilities there that he is changing
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something. he seems to be speaking to the people who he defined as his base who like this devicive language and like him talking about immigration and like the emotional charge that a discussion of immigration and the implications of racism, of white supreme seems to be what he is doing. it seems to me that he is toying with that idea. he certainly has some people around him who want to break it up. who want to break up nato. he is somebody that is anti international organization and others. i'm not sure trump really understands these institutions. he doesn't know how they work.
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for the moment the charge he gets both personally and politically seem to me to be what he is aiming for. >> stay with us. we have got to talk about the next big meeting. trump's meeting with putinone on one, what can we expect? i'll ask the panel. especially when it comes to important stuff. like, say... your car. well, good news. the esurance app lets you keep an eye on your repairs when your car is in the shop. it's kinda like being there, without being there. which is probably better for everyone. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call.
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r the two men will begin talking without any aids around them. trump said before departing for europe that off all of his meetings nato prime minister may the putin one might be the easiest. trump said he couldn't really say. then on friday 12 russian military officers were indicted for hack tg dnc by robert mueller. so what to expect? joining me again is john, former editor and chief and washington
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post columnist. john, you just spent some time in st. petersburg. putin thinks very rationally. do you think he understands what you make of trump? >> i think putin looks at everybody and examines strengths and weaknesses. i think trump does the same thing in a very emotional way. he comes in and finds somebody to go for. he thinks this is the weak spot and he will push. i think the new thing, what happened with the indictment puts him in a slightly awkward position. he wants to make russia great again. but he also wants to be able to be part of the conversation. he doesn't want it to just be about hacking and the things
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people have done. he is going to find trump in a some what defensive strange position. i think it will be quite a complicated meeting for people. putinmay be better at that. >> when you look at the situation, again, from germany's point of view he is accusing him of being soft on the russians. they have put in pretty tough sanctions and maintained them. do you think that -- do germans worry there is some strange connection between trump and
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putin. what does it feel like right now? >> one of the reasons you don't feel much criticism here is partly because people are afraid. they are afraid of russia. they are afraid of what it means militarily and in terms of
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corruption, not so much in poland but in some neighboring countries. it is a spokesman for liberal institutions that could push back against the russian political system. they were hoping for support from the united states and now of course people are very afraid that they are not getting it. it's important to remember what the united states has stood for in this part of the world for so many years. it is for an idea of security, stability, economic progress and economic freedom. to suddenly have the united states appear to be doing some kind of strange deal with the country that stands for the opposite of all things really frightens people. you know, the russian relationship with trump is one of the deepest mysteries.
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it is one of the oddest things about trump. putin is the one world latiter never criticizes. it may be that we learn something or it may mean that we won't. it will increase paranoia in this part of the world. >> the united states has tried to lead in certain ways with regard to human rights, democracy, liberty, not always practicing what it preached but at least preeshiaching it. where does it leave the west? >> the most sad part of the story, america has been since decades the moral leader of the
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world, the shining city upon the hill. this is how american fathers conceived their country. this is how most of the americans today still conceive their country. it is a city showing the path to democracy so the shining city is through that it leaves the world, the rest of the world and europe sort of open. the west without america cannot be the west. the democracy without the american example and leadership cannot be democracy. this is a great sort of distress for americans and europeans. >> thank you all very much for a fascinating conversation from
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for that trump had alienated. if the they are panicking there is one leader who ad at least for now appears remarkably calm. around the g7 while they shot back at trump the japanese prime minister criticizing protectionism. if trump goes ahead japan could be hit hard and he has spoken out about these tariffs. it appears he is playing out a shrewd strategy and figure out a contingency plan in case of disaster. it was the first foreign leader to call on the president elect after the 2016 election. he presented trump with a gold plated golf club worth about
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$4,000. they have had dozen of conversations since. >> we have a very very good bond, very very good chemistry. >> that's just it. what the is really interesting is on multi-lateral agreements. let's start with trade. japan was that transpacific partnership, a rather familiar dynamic. trump abandoned as soon as he entered officer. then japan surprising everyone saved the deal that the agreement was signed by the 11 remaining countries in march of this year, was a huge victory for his foreign leaders. he sounded like an american president saying i will spread to the world a 21st century economic order based on free and fair rules according to the wall
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street journal. he will kond contincontinue tha later this week. they expect today sign another trade deal which would result in some of the biggest trade blocks in the world. these agreements are not just about money. they are about living the countries together to provide strength in the face of aggressors, the liberal world order trump himself seemed determined to erode. japan needs these more than ever before. it is threat that is trump will suspend military exercises in the region and of course in increasingly dominant china. perhaps that's why he is ramping up defense spending and work on security ties beyond those with the united states. japan and france are engaged in a dialogue involving shared military corporation. they announced british troops will go to carry out joint exercises, a first for nonamerican troops. there is a sense that japan can no longer rely on the united
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states to bring it into the western alliance and it is forging relationships on its own. he is hoping for the best that the u.s. will recommit to the alliances and trade and security but he is planning for the worst. along the way he is breaking decades of patterns of japanese both war and shepherding this. simple and affordable. at in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. paying too much for insurance that isn't the right fit? well, esurance makes finding the right coverage easy. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call.
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poverty in america undermines human rights here. he did so under the united nations where he is on extreme poverty and human rights. he says the trump administration facilitated his visit. the response from the white house since then has been scathing. last month he published the final report. we'll get to conclusions in a moment. first let me read to you what the u.s. ambassador ro bass -- wrote this week. sit a country where the vast majority is not in poverty and where public and private sectors are firmly in place to help those who are. joining me now is the thor of that u.n. report. pleasure to have you on, sir. >> thank you. >> so explain first why you
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decided to take on this assignment and what the objective was. >> well, my role in advising the human rights council is to visit a number of countries each year. i most recently went to countries like china and saudi arabia. it seemed to me that the united states has a major influence on policy relating to poverty and human right. it was an ideal time to undertake a visit. >> and when you went, did you -- were you surprised by what you started to discover or were you already aware of some soft problems? how would you describe your journey. >> i knew basically what i was going to find.
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those contrasts are really dramatic. when you consider the statistics which i think was the really important thing the starting point for the trump administration is that it inherited the most unequal society in the west and it inherited 40 million people living in poverty. while i was there it was putting in place policies that seemed to be deliberately designed to exacerbate both of those problems. >> and explain, if you will, the problem even before the trump administration, that is kind of the more generic problem in the united states which is 40 million people living in poverty. this is unlike any other really rich country in the world. in other words if you looked at the richest countries certainly
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the top half of them, this level and extent of poverty is quite unusual. >> the united states is a champion. it comes close to the top on almost all of the bad indicators. whether it is child indicators. so whether it's child poverty, whether it's number of people in prison, whether it's the health outcomes, whether it's healthy life expectancy, the united states does extremely badly. and yet, as nikki haley said, it's one of the wealthiest countries in the world. >> and in a sense what you're highlighting is that contrast, which is despite the fact that it is one of the richest countries in the world, by some measures the richest country in the world, it has these -- and it's not fair to call these pockets, these are large pools of extreme poverty. >> you've got 40 million americans living in poverty. that's a very large percentage
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of the -- something like 14% of the population. in most countries that i visit, the justification that's offered is that the government simply can't afford to offer more generous benefits to provide decent health care, to provide decent education, childcare and so on. they just don't have the money. in the united states, where the congress was busily finding $1.5 trillion for tax cuts for the wealthy, that clearly is not the explanation. and so what it seemed to me was that there is really an ideological push behind this effort to stigmatize the poor, to announce that a lot of the programs are going to be very significantly cut, and effectively that they have to fend for themselves. >> were you surprised by nikki haley's response, given that the administration had cooperated
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with your visit? >> ambassador haley's response was very strange, because apart from saying that my report was biased and i got all my statistics wrong and so on, but never specifying what those were, she essentially said that the united nations should focus all of its time on countries like burundi and the democratic republic of congo because that's where the real human rights violations are taking place. but as she knows, the focus of the program is china, russia, australia, which has major problems in turning away asylum seekers in ways that violate international law. the whole notion about human rights guidelines is that they apply to all countries. >> pleasure to have you on, sir. thank you. ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to
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on the 29th of june, one of the group's governors announced a ban on plastic bags for the entire somali region of jubaland according to a statement released to cnn. the group's media officer told cnn, quote, plastic bags are a threat to humans and livestock. any person breaking the law has to be arrested and brought to the islamic court, unquote. our sources in somalia tell us there was little news coverage as this is generally taken by the public to be a joke. in fact, the somali government called it a pr stunt. the terror group's apparent interest in human welfare is of course ironic. it has actually spread death and destruction across the region. just last week al shabaab claimed responsibility for a car bomb attack on somalia's interior ministry that killed 12 and injured 19. the answer to my "gps" challenge question this week is "a,"
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china's environment ministry says 464 officials have been detained for violating environmental regulations according to chinese state media. it's all part of the central government's crackdown on pollution now in its fifth year. yet another area where as american leadership recedes, china fills the vacuum. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good afternoon. i'm anderson cooper. thanks for joining me. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world to the special coverage of the meeting with presidents trump and putin. we start with breaking news. right now president trump has just landed moments ago at helsinki's airport here in finland ahead of his big meeting with russian president vladimir putin. the stakes for the summit really even higher now in the wake of special counsel robert mueller's