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were in patients who had the highest dose of the medication, some 161 patients. they were followed over 18 months. we'll have to see how this pans out. it's got to go through bigger trials and more locations and see if the results stay the same and that could still take several years. but fred, look, there's some 5 million people in this country with alzheimer's. the numbers are expected to triple over the next 30 years, so any possibility of hope here will obviously generate a lot of buzz. >> hope is always key. thank you so much, dr. sanjay gupta. thank you so much for joining me. we have so much more straight ahead in the "newsroom" with a ana cabrera from new york. >> you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. somebody is lying, but the question is, who are you going to believe? someone not really known for telling the truth or someone on record with more than 3,000
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false or misleading statements since becoming president of the united states? michael cohen, the president's one-time confidant, his fixer, his lawyer, he says trump knew in advance that russians were meeting with campaign officials in trump tower before election day to hand over dirt on hillary clinton. president trump has repeatedly denied knowing that such a meeting happened. he denies it again on twitter. just yesterday. boris sanchez is live in berkeley heights, new jersey, near the president's golf resort where he's spending the weekend. boris, there were a few revelations this week, to say the least, about the president from michael cohen, none of them flattering. what are we learning about cohen's motivations? >> reporter: well, ana, according to several people who have discussed this matter privately with michael cohen, he believes that reaching out to robert mueller will lessen his own legal woes. of course he's under investigation by federal prosecutors in manhattan and what he is alleging is dramatic, that the president of the united
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states has misled the american people, saying that president trump effectively not only knew about that proposed meeting between some russians promising dirt on hillary clinton and his own son and members of his campaign team but further, that he approved of that meeting. just as dramatic has been the shift that we've seen from the trump team when it comes to michael cohen, his former attorney, following the news that fbi officials had raided his office and apartment. the president defended his former attorney, several members of his team called michael cohen a good man, and this week, in light of these revelations, they've resorted to flatout calling him a liar. we should point out this is supposed to be a positive week for the white house following that disastrous summit in helsinki where president trump had to clarify and then re-clarify his remarks. the president had some good news to tout this week on the economy. just yesterday announcing robust numbers when it comes to the gdp. further, a trade deal that was announced with the european
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union. but as we've seen before, ana, the russian investigation continues to be a cloud over everything this administration does. >> boris sanchez, thank you. last october, cohen testified before the house intelligence committee. congressman eric swalwell is on that committee. he is also a former prosecutor and he joins us now from washington. congressman, great to have you with us. thank you for spending a part of your weekend with us. i spoke with your colleague, congressman adam schiff yesterday, and he confirmed cohen was questioned about the trump tower meeting when he testified before congress behind closed doors. do you believe he was truthful with your committee? >> well, he certainly was questioned, you know, we're going to wait and see what he is willing to say publicly, because this is reporting, and i trust jim sciutto and his sources, but it would be better if michael cohen were to raise his right hand and come back to our committee or the house judiciary committee or even talk to bob mueller, but he certainly has
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had a history of lying in the past, but most of those lies were on behalf of donald trump, so when donald trump and his team say that he's a liar, that's true, but he was always doing it to advance donald trump's agenda, so i'll also say, as a former prosecutor, it is very common that people find religion and want to do the right thing and oftentimes, you know, when confronted with overwhelmi overwhelming evidence will come forward and tell the truth and that could be the case here. >> i know you can't say exactly what cohen said because you want to respect the fact it was in private, but did you walk away with the impression that trump had knowledge of that trump tower meeting? >> yes, and that wasn't only because of michael cohen's testimony. there was so much other evidence that we had from the fact that the family that set this up, they were so close to donald trump that it's inconceivable that he would not have known that think put this request in. two, donald trump was just one floor above in the building at the time that the meeting took place. three, donald trump is very
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close, we learned, to his son, donald trump jr., and they talked every day about the smallest details of the campaign, and then of course there's the cover-up behavior. once this meeting was exposed a year later, donald trump dictated to his son the inaccurate statement that donald trump jr. gave the media, so i think that's a consciousness of guilt as well. so it was never really a question to us about whether he knew. it was just whether he'd be straight with the american people about whether he knew. >> so there's this question about credibility, who's telling the truth, trump's attorneys say michael cohen is a proven liar. you've spoken about his trustworthiness, maybe he had this sort of come to jesus moment, but if there is evidence that his story has changed here, would you feel comfortable, as a former prosecutor, putting him before a jury? >> yes. if i had other corroborating witness. and you know, there's an instruction that jurors receive all the time when you only have a single witness to prove a fact. it says if you believe that witness, you can rely on just one witness and it doesn't have
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to be dna evidence or having the crime committed on videotape. but you need some other circumstantial evidence, and again, i laid out some of it. there was also this issue of, as the meeting was being set up, donald trump jr. was on the phone with the russians setting up the meeting, then he had a call with a blocked number, and then he had a call back to the russians within an hour and we know that donald trump, the candidate, used a blocked number at that time, so you have a lot of circumstantial evidence here as well as donald trump the candidate telling the public just days before the trump tower meeting that he was going to be learning and putting out new information about hillary clinton. so, to me, it adds up, but you know, it's really on michael cohen to come clean. >> alan weisselberg, another person in donald trump's inner circle, the long-time chief financial officer for the trump organization has been subpoenaed to testify as part of this investigation into cohen. people describe him as someone who knows every cent that comes into and leaves trump's
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businesses. what is he obligated to provide to federal prosecutors since he has been served this subpoena? >> so, he could, of course, assert his fifth amendment rights and then they would have to find other ways to get the records that he has, but a corporation, though, cannot assert a fifth amendment right so they will still be able to obtain a lot of the records but they may not be able to get the firsthand knowledge that he had. but if he wants to be forthcoming and help the prosecution, they would be able to get, you know, the conversations that he's had with mr. trump about his financial dealings. i think there's going to be an interest in whether mr. trump has sought financing from russian sources. we know that through the decades mr. trump has sought to invest in the russians and that they have sought to invest in him, and kind of piecing that together, i think it's critical as you try and answer this conspiracy question as to whether donald trump had knowledge the russians were helping him and whether he was giving that a green light. >> do you think he'll have to turn over the tax records? >> well, the corporation would
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have to turn over anything it had. it doesn't have a fifth amendment right, so i think those records will ultimately end up in the hands of bob mueller or the southern district of new york. >> intelligence chiefs say russia is already trying to interfere with the upcoming midterms, but national security sources we've spoken to at cnn say they have received no guidance or strategy from the white house about how they are going to combat these efforts, so every entity is sort of operating on its own. why do you think that is? >> there's no leadership at the top, ana, and you know, while it's interesting to go back and look at what happened in 2016 with the trump family, the candidate and the russians, i don't think that is as -- is nearly as important as protecting the ballot box going forward. i wrote legislation right after the election to have an independent commission. it has bipartisan support. nearly 200 members of congress are on board with it, and it would have us take our best states persons, elders and experts to go look at what
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happened and also recommend reforms for congress to put in place and for the executive branch to use to devote resources so we can protect the ballot box. i think that's the most important thing we can do. bob mueller should look at the crimes that were committed but our nation's leaders should unite. if the president isn't willing to do it, it's going to take bipartisan efforts in congress. we have not seen that willingness from paul ryan or mitch mcconnell so i'm afraid we're going to go in just as vulnerable this november. >> amid all this, putin is saying he's ready to come to washington. he's even invited president trump to moscow, an invitation the white house says it is open to. i'm sure you have some thoughts about the meeting at all in helsinki, but if this meeting does happen, what should be the goal of this second summit of sorts? >> yeah, well, first, if vladimir putin comes to washington, i can promise you he will not be as alone with president trump as he would like. he will hear millions of voices in a free democracy protesting outside of the white house.
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but i don't think the president should have a meeting with vladimir putin unless he can achieve american strategic objectives, including really reducing what vladimir putin is doing in syria to support bashar al assad, reducing what vladimir putin has already done in ukraine and telling him we're not going to accept his annexation of crimea and most importantly directly con frfrong him, looking him in the eye and saying, we will not tolerate election meddling. there will be a price to pay. he had an opportunity to do that and president trump was incapable so if we're going to see a repeat of that, that's going to make america look weaker. >> if they were coming out of that summit to have a press conference and the president confronted president putin right then and there, would that change your opinion of what you have so far surmised about their relationship? >> yes. i think we would all unite behind a president who could stand up for our condition. >> congressman eric swalwell,
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thank you very much. >> my pleasure. coming up, the break-up from the guy who would take a bullet for trump to the man seemingly ready to expose all of his secrets. a look at what years of loyalty got michael cohen after the fbi came knocking. plus the deadly inferno out west, thousands on the run from flames consuming homes in california. we are live. and later -- >> welcome to one of the last truly wild places on earth. >> cnn's bill weir is on the ground in alaska where the fight over drilling in the national wildlife refuge is raging. truecar is great for finding new cars.
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even after the fbi rated his apartment, michael cohen reportededly said he would jump off a building. so how did he become one of trump's biggest potential legal threats? cnn's tom foreman takes a look. >> reporter: donald trump's defender -- >> you guys are down, and it makes sense. >> says who? says who? >> polls. most of them. all of them. >> reporter: his trusted adviser. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate, and mo. >> reporter: and most of all his lawyer. >> my job is i protect mr. trump. that's what it is. if there's an issue that relates to mr. trump that is of concern to him, it's, of course, of concern to me. >> reporter: michael cohen has been all that to donald trump and trump has returned the favor with an extremely rare close relationship. >> it was much more than an attorney-client relationship. it was certainly -- it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thing. donald trump knew that michael always had his back.
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>> reporter: the two native new yorkers joined forces about a dozen years ago when cohen bought a condo in a trump building, and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. soon, cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies, and even coordinating transportation for trump. >> they say i'm mr. trump's pit bull, that i am his -- i'm his right-hand man. >> reporter: when trump's campaign lit up, cohen's portfolio expanded to include alleged payoffs to women claiming sexual relationships with his client even as the president has steadily denied them. >> why did michael cohen make the -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my -- an attorney, and you'll have to ask michael. >> reporter: and as the russia investigation tightened, cohen famously told "vanity fair" last year, i'm the guy who would take a bullet for the president. >> breaking news, the fbi today raided the offices of president trump's long-time attorney,
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michael cohen. >> reporter: the president erupted. >> it's a disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. >> reporter: but while he shouted witch hunt, cohen has since gone another way, telling abc, i don't agree with those who deem pize or vilify the fbi. i will not be a punching bag in anyone's defense strategy, and now, i put family and country first. for his part, president trump, who used to routinely and warmly talk about michael cohen, now seems to not be saying his name publicly at all, let alone nice thins about him. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> let's talk it over with micha michael zeldin and rachel koogal. michael, i want to start with you. you know, why is cohen publicly floating his alleged dirt on trump and that 2016 meeting at trump tower? what is the possible legal strategy there? >> that's a mystery to me.
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if i were advising michael cohen, i would tell him to not do any of the things that he's done, such as release these tapes if that's who was the source to "the new york times," go on chris cuomo's show with your story to tell and then have it be told that you're going to flip on the president. i just -- doesn't make sense to me. my years as a defense attorney, my years as a prosecutor tell me that that's a strategy that's mystifying. he should be working quietly with the southern district of new york to try to resolve the issues and become, you know, less in jeopardy himself personally and more cooperative with their investigation. >> what's wrong with this strategy, though? >> it makes it appear as if he is begging for a deal, that he will say anything, true or false, to get that deal and thereby undermine his credibility and utility to the southern district. >> let's take a look at trump's
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outside lawyer, rudy giuliani, and his evolving opinion of michael cohen that he's been putting out there in the media. watch. >> he doesn't have any incriminating evidence about the president or himself. the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. i expected something like this from cohen. he's been lying all week. i mean, he's been lying for years. >> going from he's an honest man to he's a total liar. conflicti conflicting accounts there of cohen's credibility. could that end up complicating trump's defense strategy, rachel? >> i think two things. i think one is certainly his credibility -- cohen's credibility is in serious question and that's why he should have kept his part in this quiet. but as far as what giuliani is saying, remember what the lawyer says cannot really be imparted to the client in that way. so this is not, you know, donald trump's position. donald trump's defense. this is his lawyer's argument on
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it and that's important, right? there's a very big difference between what trump says about what's happening and what giuliani says about what's happening as his lawyer or mouthpiece. >> i also am reminded that it's now been more than 20 times trump and his allies have denied, denied that he knew of that 2016 trump tower meeting prior to when the "new york times" first reported about it last year. watch this. >> did you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing. there was nothing to tell. >> look, here's what happened. donald trump jr. put it all out today. it's all out. >> did you know at the time they had the meeting. >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> let's focus on what the president was aware of. nothing. he was not aware of the meeting. >> it must have been a very important -- it must have been a very unimportant meeting because i never even heard about it. >> i wouldn't even have remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame. >> so all that is what was said to media outlets, but donald trump jr., he denied trump's knowledge under oath, so
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michael, if cohen's claim is corroborated, could don junior end up facing perjury charges? >> yes, false statement or perjury depending on the nature of the question and answer and that's problematic for don junior, but michael cohen needs to be corroborated. right now, there's very little in the public domain that we know of that corroborates his version. i think a key witness here is hope hicks. what did she know, and was she aware of trump's knowledge prior to the meeting, and what numbers were called by don junior that were blocked that we don't know of yet? that may be reflective of the communication between don junior and his father about the meeting. so there are things that can be obtained that corroborate cohen or not corroborate cohen, but those have not yet leaked out into the public process. >> do you think mueller already knows, though? >> i think mueller knows a lot. i think mueller has access to all of this stuff, but a lot of
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this stuff is, you know, witness dependent and it may be that if this is a new tale that cohen is saying -- remember, cohen hasn't spoken to mueller -- that it is something that mueller will now start running down. so we don't know yet whether he's looked into all of this. >> so listen to what cnn legal analyst paul callan is floating out there. i'm going to read a part of his piece. he writes, "if cohen's claim is corroborated, it could theoretically give special counsel robert mueller the leverage to propose a deal. resign the presidency in exchange for immunity for don junior. otherwise, don junior will be indicted for lying to the senate judiciary committee." rachel, what's your take? >> first of all, i think that's really problematic for a couple of reasons. you know, do we really want -- understanding that someone's unpopular but there's a constitutional process for how an impeachment, how someone becomes removed from the presidency to let someone in a position of robert mueller decide who the president is at
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any given time is a dangerous precedent to set, even if it's an unpopular president. remember, our constitution's only as good as how it protects those that are unpopular. if the unpopular aren't protected then none of us are so we have to be really careful about this idea that just because he may be unpopular, he may have done some unsavory things, some bad political things, doesn't mean that someone in robert mueller's position should really have the right to choose who is the president of the united states at any given time. that's extraordinarily undemocratic. >> my takeaway from this here, michael, is really that he's suggesting that don junior may end up being the key in some way to get to president trump. do you think robert mueller would go there? >> no. i actually -- i like paul and i respect his legal opinion. i think that were donald trump jr. to be in legal jeopardy, why not just pardon him. i don't know that you need to make a deal of immunity for resignation. i don't think that's likely to happen when he possesses pardon
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power, and it could well be that don junior ends up in legal trouble. the president has that pardon power and we'll see how it goes, but i just can't see mueller offering -- mueller's a conservative, not in a political sense but in a legal sense, and i don't think that that would sit well with him as the -- an appropriate -- like rachel says, i don't think that would be an appropriate way for a prosecutor to behave. >> all right. thank you both. michael zeldin and rachel kugel, thank you both for being with us. coming up, tornados of fire. look at these images out of california. crews are battling a deadly blaze that is burning unchecked right now out west. plus the race to find people still missing. we are live on the scene. so what do you guys want? pistachio. chocolate chip. rocky road. i see what's going on here. everybody's got different taste. well, now verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plans so everybody gets the plan they want, without paying for things they don't. jet-setting moms can video-chat from europe. movie-obsessed teens can stream obscure cinema. it's like everyone gets their own flavor of unlimited.
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president trump has now declared an emergency in california as wildfires consume thousands of acres. people are running for their lives. their homes and neighborhoods burst into flames. there is a race against time, and the elements, as authorities are searching for a great-grandmother and two young children who went missing when this filedfire roared through the city of reddinging, forcing thousands to flee. officials now confirm at least two people are dead, three are missing, 500 structures are destroyed. this fire exploded overnight and has now burned nearly 81,000 acres. joining us is cnn's dan simon. he is on the ground in keswick, california. dan, destruction behind you. what's happening right now? >> reporter: well, hey. the size and scope of this disaster is truly incredible. this is keswick estates.
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you can see that there's just nothing left. the fire just roared through this neighborhood and take a look at this vantage point from our satellite truck and just gives you an idea of the magnitude of what we're looking at here. this community of keswick just outside of redding, this is also the area where that grandmother, that great-grandmother and those two kids also went missing. as you said, officially, the death toll is at two, but as the sheriff's office has indicated, there's a chance that they might get more missing person reports and ultimately, unfortunately, maybe more people will be declared dead. this is just a truly devastating episode that's happened here in northern california. it's impacted people in so many ways. i want you to hear what some people are saying, beginning with a local newscaster who had to evacuate the set as the flames got close. take a look. >> right now, we are being evacuated. that's where we are kind of closing out right now. we are going to leave the station because it is now unsafe
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to be here. >> you just can't believe this is happening in your community. >> that house is my whole life. there's just one thing that's in that house that is not replaceable to me, and it sounds silly, but it's a car that i've had since i was 17. it was my first car. if it gets destroyed, there's no replacing that. >> we didn't think the fire was going to come here. so, we didn't really take things out. like everybody else that was scrambling at the last minute to get out, when we saw the fire on the ridge. >> reporter: well, the forecast calls for a bad fire fighting weather over the next few days, triple temperatures at least in the middle of next week. humidity remains low and the winds remain high at night so it could be several more days before firefighters get a handle on this. >> that is not good news. thank you very much, dan simon. we know you will continue to stay on top of it. just looking at your images, it is heartbreaking to know that is someone's property, their home, their livelihood. again, thanks, dan. coming up, the fight over
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the alaskan wilderness is one of the few remaining unspoiled areas in the world, but now 1.5 million acres of alaska's arctic national wildlife refuge is facing off with the trump administration. laws signed last year are opening the door for oil businesses for the first time in decades. cnn's bill weir, host of "the wonder list" takes us there. >> this is magnificent. wow. way up at the tiptop of alaska, an airplane can feel like a time machine. >> you see there? there's a bunch of little babies around. >> the arctic national wildlife refuge is the kind of pure wilderness most of america paved over long ago. >> this is it. we are in the heart of the arctic refuge. >> welcome to one of the last truly wild places on earth. the coastal plain brims with
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life from musk oxen to bears, both grizzly and polar. birds that will migrate to the backyards of all 50 states. but as florian has captured over the years, the most common creature is the caribou, and not just a few, but hundreds of thousands. the kind of herd unseen since the plains buffalo were wiped away and when florian is here with his family, he can't help but wonder how long it will last. >> we need to keep some of these places untouched. we are changing the world everywhere so fast, but why not leave a few places unspoiled. >> for almost 60 years, that was the rationale that protected anwar from this. these are the oil fields that fill the famous pipeline and power countless lives. but since there are billions of barrels elsewhere, nature lovers have long argued there is no need to drill here, and for
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decades, that argument held until -- >> one day a friend of mine in the oil business called. is it true that you have anwar in the bill? i said, i don't know, who cares. what is that? he said, you know, reagan tried. every single president tried. i said, you got to be kidding. i love it now. and after that, we fought like hell to get anwar. >> december's tax cut bill also opened anwar to drilling thanks to alaska senator lisa murkowski who slipped in the provision knowing that it would only need 51 instead of 60 votes to pass. >> it is wrong for those from the outside looking in who have taken a nice trip into an area and said, this must be protected. >> but conservationists point out there is already a huge glut of american oil. >> and oil companies are laying people off up here, right? because prices are so low. >> oil companies have been laying people off and for the
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first time in the last five years, i was seeing more oil company workers leaving the state of alaska and going to places like north dakota than coming into the state. >> but much like trump's efforts to revive dying coal mines, the rush to drill here seems driven more by politics than economics. >> former speaker of the house tom delay once said if we could drill in anwar, it will break the back of the environmental lobby. >> well, they haven't drilled in anwar yet. we know the arctic regions are heating twice as fast as any other part of the world and it makes zero sense to come here and look for more oil that's going to exacerbate that problem. >> and among those opposed is the northern most tribe of native americans. >> how many people live here? >> about 150 year round. >> wow. i think about 150 people live on my floor of my apartment building. their numbers may be tiny, but they are definitely not
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outsiders. >> archaeological evidence shows we've been here over 25,000 years. >> and the only reason they survived is caribou. back in the day, they would trap the animals in these handmade corrals. these days they use guns and snow mobiles but still need the animals to survive in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in america. groceries at the midnight sun can cost twice as much as the whole foods in manhattan. gasoline up here runs $10 a gallon. but still, given the choice between oil money and caribou, there is no debate. these folks will stick with the one animal that has kept them alive for thousands of years and they cannot imagine drills and trucks and pipelines across what they call the sacred place where life begins. >> look what happened to the plains indians and the buffalo. that's not going to happen to my people. we're not going to allow that to happen again. >> they are a native american
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david against a goliath of oil companies, republican lawmakers, and the coastal tribe of native alaskans eager to drill and cash in. >> now that the u.s. is saying we can finally do this, now we have the other side, the environmentalists, saying we can't do this. what's wrong with this picture? >> as the government rushes towards development, community meetings lay bare the fight, tribe versus tribe, neighbor against neighbor. >> we have thousands of gallons discovered in places that have already seen destruction, but restraint is what we lack. when did we all become owners of the land? it has always owned us. >> bill weir, cnn, alaska. coming up, a special council, secret tapes, and a war with the social media, the week that had some eerie similarities to the nixon presidency. stay right there. i'm a fighter.
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>> i have never heard or seen such outrageous vicious distorted reporting in 27 years of public life. >> that was president richard nixon, assailing the media for their coverage of the watergate scandal less than ten months before he was forced to resign. nixon's disdain for media has been compared to trumps with one key difference. nixon kept his harshest comments private while president trump has let it all air out. >> those people right up there with all the cameras.
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they are the worst. those very dishonest people back there, absolute dishonest, absolute scum. we have a very crooked media. it's time to expose the crooked media deceptions. >> it's frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. i've never seen more dishonest media. they're bad people and i think they don't like our country. the media deserves a very, very big fat fat failing grade. they are the enemy of the people. i would never kill them. but i do hate them. and some of them are such lying disgusting people. it's true. >> joining us cnn political the analyst, also a historian and professor of hirnts at princeton university. julian zalzer. hue do you think trump ace disdain and relationship with the media media stacks up with nixon. >> i do think richard nixon hated the press. he felt the press was unfair,
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out to get him. he felt the press was giving america a skewed pirks of who he is. to learn a lot of what nixon thought we needed the secret tapes. whereas president trump he just says it front and center either on the twitter feed or television. it's a much more public attack that we have from the current president. >> earlier this week the white house refused to back down after barring our kaitlan collins sfr an event in the rose garden because she shouted some questions that he apparently didn't like. they said he wasn't taking questions. it brought to mind this moment from the nixon tapes when iks knicks isn't speaking about the "washington post" to ron zeegleer. >> i want to it clearly understood from now on, ever no reporter from the "washington post" is ever to be in the white house. is that clear. >> absolutely. >> unless it's a press conference. >> in the briefings. >> in a briefing. never in the white house, no churches is service, nothing
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which mrs. nixon. you tell mrs. nixon she will approve it no reporter from the "washington post" is ever to be in the white house again. and no photographer either. >> um-hum. >> no photographer. is that clear. >> yes, sir. >> none ever to be in. that is a total order. and if necessary, i'll fire you. do you understand. >> i do understand. >> okay. all right. good. >> okay. thank you. >> and now here we are four decades later. >> right, not a very nice man. and that's just the tip of the iceberg. he literally would push certain media institutions away and not give them access. he tried to get the fbi to leak all kinds of damaging information about specific reporters about whether they were homosexuals. he even intimidated them and even intimidated news stations with the f.c.c. licenses. it was an all out war. for a while it worked backup that's what people forget. until 72 the press did back away from reporting too aggressively
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on him. and it's only after '72 the press ramps up coverage. but this isn't a comparison president trump should necessarily be proud of. you want to compare yourself to linking, fdr ob not to richard knicks zbloon of course the other parallel this week to the nixon administration, the cow cohen recording out there. the investigation into the president could rely on tapes. in fact 45 years ago this week this was the cover of news week. does any of that surprise you? >> well, this was a big part of thedown fall of richard nixon. it was in july. '73 the office learned of the recording processes. a and the president recorded his oval office and other conversations. this material becomes the basis of his do you feel. ultimately it's a segment where you can hear richard nixon trying to block the investigation that leads members of congress to say no more.
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we only have a little snippet at this point and we don't know what is out there. but hearing a president do something that is wrong is different than hearing about it. and i think that's what we learned with the nixon tapes. and we'll see what else is out there at this point. >> and it's obviously yet to be determined if politically this changes the tide. >> it's a different era. you know, richard nixon didn't have conservative news outlets to spin the story his way. richard nixon didn't have twitter where he could instantly respond and try to discredit the "washington post" or discredit congress as they tried to talk about the tapes. and we're more polarized. so there is part of the public that won't be moved in the same way they could still be moved back in '73 and '74. >> some people questioned if michael coisn't trying to have a john dean moment in refrps to nixon's council who turned against him and joined sides with the prosecution during watergate. is that what's happening with
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cohen. >> he might be. and it might be to protect himself. but it might lead to damaging material for the president. we don't know what the motivations are or what he will do. but this is what happens when you have a problematic president and a president aggressive like we heard nixon on the tapes. people can turn against you. your allies can become enemies and sometimes the former allies can be the most damaging of all. >> so much to discuss and thank you for laying it out there. julian, your wealth of knowledge i appreciate your take. >> and we honor every week we honor americans doing extraordinary work. this week rob gore. a emergency room physician doing anti-violence work in new york. and now we want to you meet to black pantherster star who nominated. >> we grew up together. i saw him doing the wonderful
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you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york np president trump coming off several days of helsinki fallout. secret tapes about center fold hush money. who knew what about the infamous trump tower meeting. michael cohen trump's former lawyer saying the president knew ahead of time balance the headaches for the president against news that the american economy is soaring. and that's the kind of roller the white house rode this week. boris sanchez is it in new jersey near the president's golf course. this is called by our analyst the week that michael cohen officially declared war on donald trump. to do officials see it that way. >> according to the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, he foresaw michael cohen doing something like this, saying he was expect being this of


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