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option. >> no greater mystery in the world than a relationship between husband and wife but it is astonishing and gets to the wonder about the marriage. good morning to you. it's sunday. we are happy to have you here. i'm christi paul. >> i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. it is wonderful to be here. let's start off with the news. this morning a glimpse into why president trump is so anxious about the russia investigations and increased his attacks on special counsel robert mueller. >> the president's son under excrete knee to helping set up that 2016 meeting with russians who had promised to dirt on hillary clinton. cnn sarah westwood is in live in new jersey where president trump is on his working vacation. this isn't a new investigation, by any means, nor a new meeting,
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but why is president trump concerned about his son now? >> we have known about this meeting for a very long time, but what is only recently come to light is the fact that trump may have had advanced knowledge of this meeting or, very at the least, may have been told about it shorlted afttly after the fa is something the president has dined. michael cohen is preferred to testify to special counselor robert mueller trump had known about the meeting and contradict what donald trump jr. has already told congressional investigators. rudy giuliani, trump's personal attorney, is denying that trump jr. is in legal jeopardy telling cnn n a statement, it is not so. a year of investigating there is no wrongdoing on his part for ma matter or the president. nothing has changed. we are not worried about michael cohen he has no knowledge of
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wrongdoing and recorded it in one version or another so often that he can't be believed or relied on. they say trump's concern for his son is part of the reason trump is more concerned toward the special counsel in recent weeks, especially on twitter. even though they are denying trump jr. is any legal danger trump is complaining he is concerned about the investigation' potential effect on his family. >> sarah westwood, we appreciate the new information. thank you. president trump did mention the russia variation as he readi rallied the base in ohio last night. republicans are now potentially at risk of losing a seat in a district that they have controlled for three decades. here is cnn's boris sanchez. >> reporter: president trump making his way outside to columbus, ohio, on saturday to
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campaign for a special election candidate that is in a dead heat with a democrat. trial balderson is running against danny o'connor in a race shouldn't be this race. we wouldn't be talking about this were it not for president trump as it's ruby red for decade and president trump won it by 11 points put about a poll shows the two candidates are in a virtual tie, one percentage difference point between the two so trump came here to prevent a new wave that is headed in the mid tecterm elections. president trump touting his and bashing his enemies the democrats and the media. president trump mentioned the russia investigation and yet again calling it a hoax and pushing the idea that the united states has to be prepared from cyberattacks, from a lot of different actors. listen to this. >> we got to stop it. we got to stop meddle be.
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we got to stop everybody from attacking us but there are a lot. russia is there. china is there. hey. we are doing well with north korea but they are probably there. we got to stop everybody. >> there is also an unexpected guest here for president trump's speech. former communications director hope hicks who resigned from the administration in february. white house officials say that her presence here should not signal a return, essentially telling cnn it doesn't mean much more than just a friendly visit. boris sanchez, cnn, traveling with the president, outside of columbus, ohio. cnn analyst julian zeleny is with us and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. thank you both for being here. good morning. julian, based on what with start there, president trump helping the gop brand itself in any way here? >> the gop has been rebranded and now president trump is on the campaign trail really trying to stop what we are calling a blue wave or the potential for a
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democratic takeover of the house. and this is a prime example of a district that should not be in play for the republicans but it is in the age of trump. >> joey, i wanted to ask you about the latest reporting that the president is concerned about don jr. how vulnerable, based on everything we know, is his son in being incriminated in the mueller investigation? >> you know, good morning, christi. his son could be very vulnerable to prosecution in light of the fact there is contradictory information in terms of whether or not the president knew about the meeting, there are the blocked phone calls that the president, of course, giving some indication he has good stuff coming out about hillary and he would give a speech and now the corroboration for michael cohen. i, from an unpractical matter, not concerned about. he is his son and i think
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prosecutors will hold a high bar before you move forward. no one is above the law. if you're prosecuting the president's son you better have some pretty significant evidence. number two, generally for such a prosecution to move forward if it's for lying to congress, there is a referral to the department of justice from congress and based upon the politics involved in the senate, where the senate is in control, i doubt there would be that referral. of course, you know, the problem here for him is this is a special counsel prosecution, you know, which may cause a wrinkle in that. the third reason really is that, you know, look. anyone is going to be pardoned, it would be his son. i think any prosecution of his son would be largely an economic exercise in light of the president saying you're pardoned. in response to your question i think the practicality of a prosecution is very limited. >> all righty. i want to move on to what we are going to see this week in the manafort trial. this case has been moving quite quickly, you really look at it.
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and i wanted to ask, real quickly, about la port who was granted nimmunity and so would rick gates if he takes the stand. is there a sense they have to say something criminal that torey to get that immune night? >> it exposes them from a vicious attorney like myself when you have a person on the stand who has an immunity deal, obviously, you attack them, right? meaning if they have an immunity deal to begin with, they have some liability themselves, which is forgiven because you're on team usa. in the case of rick gates himself, you, sir, have already pled guilty is that not a fact and that means you lied. you admitted that, did you not, sir is in the intensity of the
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cross-examination will go along those lines 10, 15 other questions i could ask in that chain of events that would get the jury to say, oh, okay, he has something here, wherein, he lied before, why isn't he lying now? why should we believe him now? i think the answer for prosecutors will be it's not just his word. there is documentary evidence which would substantiate the things he is saying. when you have a white collar prosecution, you have a paper trail as prosecutors have presented which corroborate exactly what occurred. in the case of the accountant, of course, that paper trail remains consistent, but then the question becomes you could have said something, right? you didn't. is there a reason for that? is there a basis for you having immunity? so that exposes them to the jury, but in the final analysis, while it may be good theater, i think the substance of the documents that the government has, just so much to overcome for the defense in the case. >> julian, karl bernstein said
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this is worse this watergate. >> karl bernstein was at the center of the watergate. from all of the evidence that has accumulated over part of the scandal, he sees a person in power who, ultimately, is more corrupted than richard nixon. i think it's too early to tell. we are in the middle of investigations, rather than at the end of an investigation, and we have to remember, in the middle of watergate, it wasn't always clear where this was all going. but he is trying to send a powerful warning sign that there is more evidence now, this early in the president presidency, than there was about richard nixon when he resigns really two years after the investigation is launched. >> but we do need to point out that what manafort is on trial for are alleged crimes prior to his dealings with president
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trump. donald trump citizen is not involved in anything manafort is talking about in court right now. >> but we have to keep remembering manafort was the head of trump's campaign during a critical period in the campaign. and so this story about who he is and what money problems he had and what he was doing all give shape to the person who was at the very top in the summer of 2016. so that is how the money manafort and the campaign are probably connected in the minds of robert mueller. again, this is an investigation that is in process so we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. >> exactly. julian zeleny and joey jackson, i'm sorry, but we have run out of time. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> absolutely. on "state of the union" today, ed royce is on the show as well as former massachusetts governor duval patrick only here
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on cnn at 9:00 a.m. eastern. a search for a missing georgia toddler led to the other side of the country. what we are learning about 11 children taken from a make-shift compound in the new mexico desert. a category three hurricane headed toward hawaii. people there told get ready. we are going to have the latest storm track coming up. plus, first lady melania trump is praising lebron james for his charity work after her husband insulted the nba star on twitter. we will have details on that just ahead. this is not a bed.
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four people were arrested in a pretty tense day of demonstrations in downtown portland. for hours member after right wing group faced off with counterprotesters. at some point the competing
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demonstrations circulated and then throws rocks and bottles and police raunched to disperse the crowd. a missing for a georgia child where they raid add make-shift compound in may. they didn't find the toddler but found 11 children from ages 1 to 15 years old and they say it looked like a third world country rev refugees. authorities believe the women are the children's mothers. another story. it's disturbing. a manhunt in texas for a father who is accused of killing his two young children. houston police say the children's mother found them stabbed to death in their own beds saturday afternoon. the woman told police after dropping off the 8-year-old boy and 1-year-old girl at their
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father's apartment he called saying he was going to kill them. police say the couple had been married but recently separated. dozens of buildings and homes are damaged after a tornado touchdown down in webster, massachusetts. it took down trees and power lines and one person we know sustained minor injuries. well, it is hurricane season. and hurricane hector is now a category 3 storm and it's taking aim at hawaii. emergency management officials telling people there to prepare. >> meteorologist allison chinchar has the latest on hector's path. we say hawaii, we say what more can this area take? these people take, allison? >> yeah. we have spent the last few months talking about the volcano that is there but keep in mind hurricanes are not a rare occurrence. in fact, if it makes it to hawaii would be the third one to impact the islands in just the
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last four years. they had one in 2014 and another one in 2016. we are talking about hurricane hector. right now winds 125 miles per hour, still gusting to 155 miles per hour. its movement is west about at 12 miles per hour. it's still basically in the middle of the ocean. still well away from hawaii but it's making its way in that direction. it is a category 3 storm right now, but it was just a category 4 just a few hours ago. but we are starting to see where that storm is moving. so let's take a look at where it is now. again, here you can see rounded by water, it's pretty much just in the middle of the pacific ocean. but just south to the west there you can see hawaii off in the distance. it is expected to remain a major hurricane for at least the next several days. that would be a category 3 or higher. it's a very small storm. in scale but typically with those it's hard to gauge intensity. they can go through what is called eye wall replacement cycles and we expect it to
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remain a major hurricane until at least tuesday and then at that point this will weaken as it gets closer to the hawaii. this is the good news. if it hits hawaii you want it to be a weaker storm. the closest track takes it on the extreme southern end of the southern island. the kilauea on the north and eastern side. this is where a lot of the evacuations had taken place from a lot of the fissures had erupted. at this point, all they would end up getting is maybe some heavy showers at times with this track but the main portion of the storm would remain down to the south. >> allison chinchar, thank you so much. thinking about those people. >> we are. hopefully, it goes south. according to sources, president trump is concerned that the mueller probe may reach his family.
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25 minutes past the hour on this sunday. you're up early but we are ghaed that y glad that you are. i'm christi paul. >> i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. president trump is concerned about his son don jr. and making him lash out to mueller publicly. trump is always insisting his father didn't know anything about the meeting with the russians in the trump tower. joining me now to talk about this is brent who is an opinion columnist for "the hill" and jack kingston, a former senior adviser for the trump campaign. good morning to you both, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. okay. obviously, any time a man sees his family threatened, we would get defensive, so the president is human in many ways. unlike most folks, he does have
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the power to pardon, and i would think don jr. would be the first one in light to get one, if it came to that. and so i'm wondering, basically, jack, do you agree or what? >> well, i think that is way down the road, martin. i think for right now, what rudy giuliani said is a better indication of what is going to happen and he is saying he is 100% confident that michael cohen has nothing to say. michael cohen has said on other occasions that the president did not know about this meeting, but giuliani went on to say there was nothing to this meeting. it was a meal aboeting about ad and didn't morph into any other action. whether information came out about hillary or not, there was no action item that followed up on it. so, you know, based on what giuliani is saying, he is feeling pretty confident there is nothing there. >> yeah. i'm sure he is. i mean, michael cohen made those kind of statements when he seemed to be on the president's team and that does not necessarily seem to be the case,
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brett. >> it's amazing. whole thing is just incredible. yes, there was a collusion meeting at trump tower. it was billed as a collusion meeting, which is more fairly described as a conspiracy meeting. where the trump people, including three very close to the president, basically came to a meeting to get illegally obtained russian information to attack hillary clinton. now where i come from there is high odds that is going to be called a crime. i think it was a crime. i think the president has reason to worry about everybody in that meeting from the american side and if it turns out there is evidence that he knew about it in advance, i think he has even more reason to worry and that is a lot of reasons. >> brent, do you think he could bring these charges, obstruction of justice, if that what it will be, before the mid terms? >> i wrote a piece on friday, a column in "the hill" i think it will happen before the mid terms and how it happens remains to be
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seen. but i think it's clear there was obstruction. i think what america is witnessing in real-time and rudy giuliani is almost an accessory to this, is a walking, talking, televised obstruction of justice every day. let me tell you. the midterm elections are going to be one day after the 50th anniversary of richard nixon being elected president. think about that. and next week is an anniversary of richard nixon resigning from the presidency and he gave the best speech he had ever given as he was about to leave the white house, one of the best speeches by any president where he said, some may hate you, but they don't win unless you hate them. in which case you destroy yourself. and trump is running around the country every day, most recently lebron james, telling us who -- >> hold on, brent. let's make this a conversation. jack, the manafort case, before we run out of time, i would like to get your thoughts because i'm
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wondering how impactful do you believe, especially if there is a guilty verdict, that that would be as far as blow-back against the president and this administration and going forward, the other investigation mueller is focused on? >> i think, based on what brent has outlined they are looking at this thing not a matter of justice but a matter of politics. i think the case against manafort has been, largely, political. just think about this. for tax evasion, only 1% of the people are ever tried now when they go to jail it's like a three to four-year sentence, including, by the way, the maker of beanie babies went to jail and got in ty warner never went to jail. he had tax evasion -- >> what is your point, jack? >> he never went to jail but mueller wants 305 years out of manafort. i think the timing of it is suspicious. the fact he has nine prosecutors who donated to hillary clinton. i think all of this is really a smear on the justice system.
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>> what about the evidence, jack? there is a significant amount of bookkeeping evidence. this is documents here. it's not just political rhetoric that is very, very suspicious. >> i'm saying this is a high profile case has nothing to do with president trump and that is one thing that the democrats don't want to admit but this was all for a potential crimes that had nothing to do with his short-term relationship with the trump campaign. >> i got it. okay. let's talk about this special election that comes up this week, because many people look at this as just a precursor of the midterms and i'm wondering, jack, how is it the president who won the 12th district there in central ohio, won it by 11 points but now the latest polling shows that the democrat and republican are almost neck and neck. how does that happen and what do you think has happened? >> i think the intensity is just there for the democrat party. it always is against the party in power of the white house and history is blowing in the face of -- the wind is blowing in the face of the republicans right
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now. we had that same situation in georgia with the karen handle election as you know. both sides on a national basis pours in millions and millions of dollars. republicans eked out a win in which should have been easy, but when you're in an election year like this with the country very divided, you're going to have these tough races. >> and, brent, do you think the outcome of this race, in the 12th district, is the outcome of this fall? >> well, i think what you're seeing, across the country is not only a surge of enthusiasm among people, democrats but also many republicans who are really appalled by what trump is doing and they want to have change. i think what is going to happen in the election in ohio shows how much better democrats are doing even in a district that republicans should win by 20 points. i don't think it was a very shrewd strategy for the president to insult and tack and demean lebron james who is highly popular in ohio right before the ohio election.
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i think it's absolute insanity. right now, his wife is disagreeing with him to her great credit about lebron james and his daughter ivanka is disagreeing with -- >> we are going to talk about tla later in the program. who do you think is going to win come tuesday in ohio? >> we will keep the seat and keep it because the economy is strong, opportunities are great, consumer optimism is high. and unemployment is at an all-time low and people don't want to change that. they like jobs. >> brent, real quick. >> i think it's a 50/50 race. i think democrats win the house in the midterm elections, possibly by more than people think because voters are fed up and want change from what we are getting from trump, period. >> brent budowski and jack kingston, good to see you both this morning. >> thank you. >> thanks, gentlemen. venezuela says there was an assassination attempt on its president. we are going to show you what happened. [ speaking in foreign language ]
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soldiers injured in that attack. they were part of a nato train and advise and assist mission the there. colombia is denied they were involved in an assassination attempt benefit the president d madu maduro. you saw the charges happen there near the president. there is his wife reacting to the first blast. another view shows soldiers scatterering after the second explosion. maduro said some have been captured in the attack. colombia's outstanding president, a source tells cnn maduro's allegations are
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baseless. president trump has sent more military personnel for protection. i rode along withed borrow the patrol to find out what is happening. >> reporter: maybe you're expecting to see military trucks and troops on the border. they are not here. instead of hunting human traffickers or drug smugglers this sergeant is tracking down a pickup truck's electrical problem. he is a mechanic. specialist ndurrduran is at the border but he has a welding torch. some national guard troops have even served by cleaning the stalls at border patrol stables. operation guardian support is a long way from the president's tough talk of military mite. >> until we can have a wall and proper security, we are going to be guarding our border with the
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military. >> reporter: you're not armed, correct? >> correct. none of our soldiers or airmen are not armed. >> reporter: they are out there walking beside the border patrol agents? >> correct. these are positions back off the border. >> reporter: in 2006, the bush administration sent 6,000 soldiers to the border. in 2010, president obama sent 1,200 but they were in full gear and armed. when specialist duran is welding at the border he needs two special agents to protect him since he is not allowed to carry his gun. is it possible the public has a wrong idea of what the mission is about? >> it's a support role. >> reporter: despite their diminished role, national guard troops are making a difference. the u.s. border patrol has more
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vehicles. on patrol. thanks to senior airman adrienne ma guy ver as she and other guard members guard remote cameras. this is a first to get a sense what is going on it border. good and bad. >> is it good? >> yes. >> is it busy? >> yes. extremely. >> reporter: so far according to the u.s. border patrol the national guard has facilitated arrests and possession of drugs along the border. >> you're looking at border. >> reporter: sitting beside stephanie dixon looking out from her lonely perch from the border, there is not a senior soldier in sight. people thought they would be patrolling along the fence here and guns over their shoulder and
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ride along with you. that is not happening? >> no. they are helping out the overall mission and putting more of us out here on the border to secure the border. >> reporter: border agent dixon may not see the soldiers, but she is glad they are here. somewhere. the use of the national guard is actually funded by the federal government, but it's the states that provide the troops and the funding for all of this is right now scheduled to run only through the end of september. after that, no one knows if the mission is going to be extended. christi? >> thank you, martin. first lady melania trump distanced herself from president trump's criticism and praising james' charity work. we will have more on that in a moment. the new sleep number 360 smart bed.
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president attacked james on twitter, her spokeswoman put out a statement saying lebron james was working to do good things on behalf of our next generation and that the first lady would actually be open to visiting his new school. i promise, that is a school for at-risk children. here is the thing. the statement also mentioned the importance of responsible online behavior with her be best initiative. cnn senior media correspondent and host of reliable sources brian stelter is here. a couple of things stand out to me. how about you? >> this started on a quiet friday night and president trump was apparently watching cnn and don lemon's interview with lebron james. a lot of our viewers saw it back on monday but it was re-airing on friday. the president was up late at night, apparently, it angered the president. lebron james did have some criticism for trump in the interview. kind of mild criticism, to be honest, but lebron said he would not sit down with the president if invited. that might have poked the president in some way. so you have president trump on
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twitter insulting both don lemon and lebron james and what happened in the 24 hours after is so interesting. you know? you saw michael jordan, hillary clinton, and even melania trump all standing up for lebron james. an interesting combination of figures. here is part of the statement from melania trump. remember, this is all about lebron's school and his foundation in akron, ohio, that is helping the community. so melania trump came out and said, sounds like he is doing great work. community and, quote t looks like lebron james is working to do good things on behalf of our next generation. the first lady encourages everybody to have open dialogue about issues facing children today. here is a key part from the first lady's spokeswoman stevan grish grisham. you can imagine that moment, right? if president trump is criticizing lebron james
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intelligence and the first lady goes and visits the school? well, we will see if that happens. this is another example of the first lady really publicly distancing herself from her husband. she doesn't have to comment. she didn't have to weigh in. but she decided to do that and, as a result, here we are. >> doesn't it take you into that moment? i just would love to know what happens after this happens and the first time the president sees melania and what he says. i have a synergy looking at him and saying, i'm going to do what i want to do. she is a brave, bold woman. >> no greater mystery than the marriage of a husband and a wife and true for all marriages and i wouldn't sit here and try to psycho analyze the trump marriage. it's a unique relationship. i think any husband or wife would look at this and say they have something going on. maybe melania trump wants to be very clear she is her own woman and wants to promote her be best campaign. certainly this fits into the be
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best campaign about respect and kindness. the president is being questioned for that tweet and for his criticism of high profile african-americans. you know, i saw a journalist like dan rather and sports writers like bill simmons coming out and saying this is racist to see the president going after the intelligence of african-american leaders. that is something that continues to be debated on social media all weekend long. >> all righty. but then didn't he say i like mike? >> michael jordan. >> to michael jordan. >> michael jordan came out and supported lebron james so it might have back-fired in that case. >> brian stelter, thank you much. you will see him on brian stelter, "reliable sources" at 11:00 today only on cnn. don't miss it. for those who are going through right now, there is hope! you do have hope! there is something on the other side of this! >> an incredible message of hope from new hall of famer brian
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it was an absolutely star-stunneded class with the pro football hall of fame. >> what was your take? >> my take is this. there were eight new inductees into the football hall of fame and i played against five of them. brian dawkins is one of the greatest beloved players for philadelphia. he poured his heart out. yesterday a record attendance yesterday in canton, ohio. they saw him sharing about his battles with depression and how he almost took his own life.
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>> i was actually planning the way that i would kill myself so my wife would get the money. not yet. not yet. i have grown leaps and bounds because of the things that i've gone through and that is one of those things that i went through and when i say went through, that mean i came on the other side of it. so for those who are going through right now, there is hope. you do have hope. there is something on the other side of this! >> you can hear that crowd. it is sunday. taking us to church. brian dawkins thanked his wife and high school sweetheart connie for saving his life and telling him to go to counseling. dawkins was overcome with emotion afterwards and walking off the stage. his message reminds us to keep fighting, keep pushing. evergive up. and you never know what swublom else is going through. we see these men we see battling
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looked like super heroes, sometimes on the inside it doesn't matter how big or strong you are. we all deal with problems and brian dawkins speech had to be something to remind us that we can all reach. >> where was that? >> canton, ohio. >> next door to what? it all goes back to the buckeye state. >> thank you, coy. >> you're welcome. we got to stop it. we got to stop meddling. we got to stop everybody from attacking us. russia is there. china is there. >> according to sources close to the white house, the president is scared for his son. >> lying about whether the president knew about the trump tower meeting with the russians, that would be perjury. >> i think they have taken this very seriously and their denials and what do we have on the other side? just the word of michael cohen. >> do you think he uses that as a scapegoat? >> at times. at times. >> reporter: i think the first lady is underscoring it is an option.

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