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he is revealing lots of secrets. gates, who was manafort's long-time deputy, telling the jury that he knowingly committed financial crime ace long side manafort and at manafort's direction. gates says they had 15 foreign accounts they did not report to the federal government and that they knew that was illegal. gates also testified that he embezzled several hundred thousands dollars from his former boss. >> just pause. let it sink in for a moment this is the one time deputy chair of the president's campaign, testifying against the one-time chair of his campaign, saying they committed crimes together. so, what does the president think as he's watching this? we are told he is watching it very closely. gates will be back on the witness stand in just a few hours. he will face what promises to be a withering cross-examination from the defense, who is trying to paint gates as the real criminal here, not manafort. we have this all covered. let's go to joe johns in
alexandria, virginia. joe? >> reporter: good morning, john. star witness back on the witness stand today. he got about 45 minutes in front of the jury yesterday before breaking for the evening. he is laying out what the prosecution says are years, years of financial crimes that occurred before these two top political operatives assumed the helm in the presidential campaign. block buster testimony in the trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort, as a one time apprentice turns on his mentor. manafort's long time business partner and former trump campaign senior aide rick gates, not holding out any punches. he opened 16 foreign bank accounts to hide money from the government. cheated manafort out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by
filing false expense reports. testifying some of manafort's accounts were tied to a man prosecutors say has direct ties to the russian intelligence. >> it is always very damaging to the defendant when a flipper, a cooperator like mr. gates takes the stand and says, i committed crimes, so did that man. here is how we did it together. >> reporter: gates flipped in february, pleading guilty to lying to the fbi and has been cooperating with the special counsel ever since. manafort staring down his former deputy as he read his plea deal aloud in the courtroom. gates refusing to make eye contact. >> he is incentivized to tell the truth in this trial, that's because he really is testifying for his life. his cooperation agreement and his truthful cooperation will affect how he is sentenced. >> reporter: but gates did praise manafort, calling him one of the most politically brilliant strategists i've ever worked with. president trump watching the trial closely as the mueller
probe appears to be moving closer to his inner circle. the white house trying to distance the president from gates and manafort. gates was manafort's deputy for the three-months he served as trump's campaign chairman. he stayed on with the campaign even after manafort was ousted, amid questions on his work in ukraine. trump campaign officials praising manafort and gates a the time for their work developing a general election strategy. >> i have to create manafort and gates for putting so much of that together before we arrived. >> so the question here when they get to it is how gates will hold up as a witness once the defense gets ahold of him on cross-examination. the defense already said they intend to do everything they can to discredit him, siting him as the guy behind the scenes pulling the strings in the manafort case. >> okay, joe. thank you very much for all of that background. let's discuss it now with john
avlon, chan woo and ab stoddard. great to have all of you. let's remind people of who rick gates was in his connection to the trump campaign. he was the long-time business associate as we said of paul manafort and served as the deputy trump campaign chairman. trump's inaugural committee deputy chairman, so quite involved in that celebration, though he never served in the white house. what do you make of the revelations of the crimes that he and paul manafort committed, that he has now admitted to on the stand. >> first, let me say anything i talk about is of course not based on attorney/client privilege information. it's all public. i thought it was a bomb shell when he admitted to stealing money from manafort. it's an amazing reveal. that aspect of his testimony is
really helpful to his defense. they promised the jury they would accuse him of stealing from manafort as well as blaming him for the alleged crimes and this delivers on that promise. so i think that gives them some very good potential fodder for the cross-examination, which does indeed need to be quite effective to score some points. >> if that revelation, which by the way, prosecutors elicited from rick gates. they knew it was coming. they wanted to get it out there in their own terms early, why put him on the stand? >> they need him to cover the element of willfulness. it's not enough just to show pictures of ostrich leather jackets, lots of lavish lifestyle elements and documents. they need to show that map that fort knew about this and deliberately engaged in fraud. that so far looks like exactly what rick is supplying for them.
>> one last question, now that the jury knows he too is sullied and he too was a thief and he too knew about these crimes, how do they react to a witness like that? >> yeah, that's an excellent question. what the prosecution has to be worried about is that the jury will simply take him as another sullied person. he is just as guilty or dirty as manafort is. so they need to really point out that he is telling the truth here. he has come forth and is being forthright. on the other hand, the defense is of course, hoping to point out that he is not really incentivized to tell the truth. he is incentivized to say anything the prosecution wants him to say. >> our laura coats said this is the admitted liar versus the accused liar. a.b., this is an interesting picture to paint the admitted liar is the one time deputy chief of the campaign, the accused liar is the one time chair.
that paints an interesting picture. >> oh, yes. look, the president's personal lawyer had a raid of his hotel room, office and home all by surprise a warrant that was approved of by a judge that has to meet a very high threshold. his national security adviser michael flynn is also cooperating with the special counsel. it's a real all-star lineup of people that president trump and candidate trump trusted at high levels in his inner circle and campaign. but that aside, this trial is really not about president trump and his supporters continue to underscore that. i do think what's interesting about this use of gates -- and i have no idea what will happen in the cross-examination and how much that will sort of muddy his credibility in terms of the force of the prosecution's argument and i'm not a lawyer -- but i think that what -- from following what he said
yesterday, rick gates fleshed out things that the accountants and bookkeepers described about manafort and it's clear that rick gates did not pull all the strings and manafort pulled plenty of them. i'm not sure how two wrongs make a right for paul manafort at the end of the trial. >> what should everyone watch for with this? >> an appropriate skepticism that the accountants and bookkeeper statements seem to be corroborating the government's case with rick gates. for me the most interesting thing isn't the kremlinology is looking at the russian money that flowed to these key folks. >> different flavor of kremlinology but still relevant. among the things we learned yesterday, ukrainian based employee of manafort who had been indicted by robert mueller and accused of being a russian asset, a russian agent, had control over a key account that
they used money from from cypress. those facts are really relevant to the overall question of russian influence on manafort and gates if not trump campaign directly. so those are the things that i would really pay attention to. this isn't just about a bunch of grifters running around the international consulting scene. this is about russian money and being deeply in debt to russian figures some who were connected allegedly with russian intelligence. >> every time the prosecution tries to introduce certain types of evidence about the nature of these russians or ukrainian oligarchs, the judge seems to snap it back, shan. there's this adversarial relationship between the judge here t.s. ellis and the prosecution. does the prosecution need to be careful here? >> they need to be careful not to get the judge too pissed off. i've been before judge ellis.
that's a subtle legal term. i've been before him and he likes to be in control of the courtroom, but from a legal standpoint what the judge is doing is protecting his record as he had mentioned early in the trial, he doesn't want to engender any resentment on the part of the jury with too much focus on the jurors. he wants to control it so it doesn't end up tainting trial and create an issue on appeal if there is a conviction. what's particularly important to think about with the russian connection is the little bit we see here obviously is the tip of the iceberg because all that's been already been disclosed and is well known to mueller's team because gates has been cooperating all this time. >> but a.b., that's what's so confusing to people who are watching because we've been cautioned that this trial is not about russian conspiracy, this has nothing to do with any trump campaign ties to russia and then there's everything that john and shan spelled out. how do you divorce the money
that they were -- they're ill-gotten gains from some of that stuff? >> i think what john points out about signatory authority someone connected to russian intelligence or directly a part of russian intelligence on manafort cypress bank account is incredibly damning and does establish that that connection he describes, which is that they were deeply indebted, manafort and gates to these people, connected to putin's government. but i do think that again you can make the case and the president's team must that this is about two men who had some -- a very good scheme going on and bumped into the spotlight where it was all discovered and that this is not about the trump team working with the russians to fix an election in trump's favor. that has to be -- they're going to point that out, and they're right to, that what mueller is going to come up with in terms
of a potential collusion equals conspiracy or obstruction of justice is a separate matter. >> friends, stand by for a moment if you will. we are following breaking news this morning. firefighters in california racing to contain what is now the largest wild fire in that state's history. the flames have scorched 284,000 acres and destroyed more than 100 homes and structures. our darren simon live in lake port, california, with the breaking details. what you seeing? >> well, john, this pretty much tells you everything you need to know about this year's wild fire scene. this is a monster wild fire, 284,000 acres. when you talk about a fire of this size, it's about the size of los angeles. so, it is massive. now you have about 30% containment. you have thousands of people who have been evacuated. thousands of structures that are threatened. but when you talk about this particular wild fire, it is burning in forestland, it's not threatening populated
communities at the moment, but when you talk about the hot, windy and dry conditions there's a concern that more communities could be threatened. john? >> i'll take it, dan. thank you very much. it is shocking just how big this has become. to hear that it is the biggest wild fire now in california history. but one more thing, dan, president trump is tweeting about the wild fires in california. he's slamming environmental laws. can you tell us what that's about? >> reporter: well, i have to tell you, experts they don't know what this is about. they don't know where the president is coming from on all this. there is absolutely no concern when it comes to battling these wild fires and having enough water to do so. there have been some lingering concerns over the years that pits farmers versus commercial fishermen about water diversion. perhaps that's what the president is talking about here but nobody really knows. >> dan, thanks so much. i've heard from people who are helping coordinate the fire fighting and they're confused
and dismiss it because they have bigger concerns on their hands this morning. >> absolutely. so here is something that you've probably already metabolized, cnn has learned that president trump has been asked to stop tweeting about that trump tower meeting. so we'll dig into who is asking him to dig that and why he is still tweeting about that? >> does coffee speed up your metabolism? >> it does, yeah. we need more coffee. who would have thought, who would have guessed? an energy company helping cars emit less.
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believe there's anything to hide. now, this warning to trump is coming at a time when the president is growing increasingly concerned about how mueller is encroaching not just on this broader russia case but specifically on his family. zeroing in on some key moments including don jr. and his involvement in this trump tower meeting. now, this week could be a really critical meeting, critical week for the president and his advisers that they deliberate about the issue of the potential interview with robert mueller. rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer is saying they are looking look ing to give a response back to mueller in the next day or so. he wouldn't characterize what they might say back to mueller, but he did tell "the washington post" this, he said -- we have real reluctance about allowing any questions about obstruction. alisyn and john. >> only too happy to negotiate out in the public with these interviews and leaks. abby phillip for us with the president in jersey. thanks so much. back with us now, john avlon
and shan woo and a.b. stoddard. perhaps president trump should stop tweeting, stop writing about this meeting in 2016. >> the president is like a kid picking at a scab, choose your metaphor. he just can't stop. certainly his legal team really just wants him to stop. he is just creating more potential danger for his son, don jr., who is the only one who has actually testified under oath. he faces the most immediate legal culpability and is also frankly forcing the mueller team to heighten their interest. he's just creating more and more hazards for himself if and when he eventually does sit down with them. >> a.b., don jr. does also keep going on television. he was on laura ingram's show last night and he repeated basically i think that their
story is and the president's tweets also reflect this, yeah, we were promised but they didn't deliver. so case closed. nothing to see here. here is how don jr. explained it last night -- >> that's not the premise that got them in the room. then it was essentially a bait and switch to talk about that. everyone has basically said that in testimony already. i mean, so this is nothing new. >> so, he's saying that when they got in the room they talked about adoptions, so no crime. >> this follows a pattern don jr. also met with saudi representatives and uae. new york times reported that in late may. so there was a willingness to collude if it was not successful collusion, i don't think he should be giving interviews about that. i do think that president trump and i might be giving him a little credit here, too much credit, but he's not a lawyer but likes to play one on twitter
sometimes. and he basically, i think, repeated the claim about what he admitted last year basically that, yeah, this is a political op po meeting. it's totally legal. then added he didn't know anything about it. michael cohen told us weeks ago he is willing to tell special counsel mueller that actually donald trump the candidate knew about the meeting in advance. if that's true, then that means that don jr. lied to congress and more legally exposed by that information. so i think the president is trying to get out there just tweeting about this out of the blue on the weekend to insist that he didn't know and therefore don jr. didn't lie to congress. >> we know an extraordinary amount now about what happened and that is problematic for the president just based on what he has written on twitter and don jr. has said in interviews and what their lawyers said. don jr. admits he wanted the bait. it was a bait and switch. i went after the bait which was
the promise of dirt from the russian government on hillary clinton. love that. then the lawyers contradicting what don jr. saying in sworn testimony that he certainly didn't know or had no knowledge or wasn't aware that his father dictated the response to it. that's all out there. that's all been revealed very publicly. >> yeah. the whole series of contradictions and lies and obcecations and the timeline is what's deeply problematic. don jr. saying they promised me hillary dirt and all i got was information about adoption. but the president knowing that mueller is looking at his tweets for evidence of obstruction really is in a separate category as worst client ever. he keeps digging a hole. people around him start saying, hey, stop digging the hole. you're making things worse for yourself and your son and he breaks out in song and says, i got to be me. it's worked for him up to this point because he's president, but this is real problematic stuff on a basic legal level for the president. >> no one can weave in a song better than john avlon to the
news cycle, shan. i want you to know that first of all. but as a lawyer, can robert mueller hang his legal case on the president's tweets? >> that would be a very novel theory of prosecution. i don't think mueller is kind of a risk averse conservative prosecutor. i don't think he would be looking to break new ground. i think the tweets could lay a foundation for questions given to the president when he is under oath or when he has to tell the truth in terms of being interviewed with an fbi agent. in that sense the tweets do weigh in heavily. they raise so many questions maybe because of the twitter format but they raise so many questions you need the specifics when exactly what did you know, what did you say. and i think that's where the obstruction danger lies for him. >> maybe we should be doing this on facebook groups to get more of a dialogue versus twitter. >> or musically. >> clearly in favor of that.
>> shan keeps saying when the president testifies. what we're seeing lay out before us is delaying tactics from the president's legal team. giuliani says i'm going to give a response soon but not going to shut the door on negotiations, just our next offering. seems to me is they're trying to push that past the midterms, make it impossible for the mueller team to get the president or to have the official legal fight before november. >> right, to avoid the subpoena by not saying no. john, i know it's written in some stone tablet somewhere we have to keep listening to rudy giuliani's blather, but the story last night in the washington post was amazing. he is basically saying the same thing he told dana bash, the letter is coming monday or tuesday, now it's tuesday or wednesday. something is always going to happen but he says the same thing, oh, you know, we have reluctance about obstruction. we've been hearing that for months. we've been hearing the letter is coming for months, the offer. the letter by the way is not a final offer.
it's to keep the negotiations open. and then he says, mueller really has all he needs. he doesn't really need anything from the president. and then he says, they just want to get him on a perjury thing, that's not going to happen. it's all stuff he said before. he just calls up a new reporter and says more stuff on their deadline. and we're supposed to believe it's moving the ball. it's a complete stall tactic and the same thing he's been saying all along. >> it's not a means to an end. this is the end that rudy giuliani is after here. he is just trying to push this and delay. >> look, i think that it looks like that, but look, mueller's team is going along with this delaying tactic because they keep sending letters back -- >> according to rudy giuliani, the negotiations keep continuing, they keep getting letters back. >> mueller's team is playing its own game. trump and rudy are playing to the court of public opinion. if this is about getting it in the zone near the election enough to call foul, that's a delaying tactic that seems to be successful. the thing that's hanging out there is the threat of subpoena.
look, we'll take that to the supreme court. that is a real power and -- >> if you take it to the supreme court and delay long enough, it's more and more the president's supreme court with justice brett kavanaugh sitting there. >> yeah. >> think about that. >> i will. oh, i will think about that john berman. >> oh, i will. >> panel, thank you very much for all of those incites. coming up on "new day," we'll check in with trump voters. how are they feeling today about their vote for him and about supporting him and act his policies? it got a little feisty. >> he's a monster. i think he's a bigot. i think he's doing a lot of things to ruin people's lives. >> you have parents who are breaking the law bringing their kids here. if you don't want to be separated from your family, don't come to the country illegally. >> that wasn't the feisty part. again, these are trump voters and how they're feeling in a
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♪ olly. so developing overnight, u.s. sanctions against iran went back into effect and president trump is writing about this morning. this as iran's president slammed the move as psychological division. >> john, psychological warfare entered into by president trump. he tweeted, quote, the iran sanctions have been officially cast. these are the most biting sanctions ever imposed and in november they ratchet up to yet another level. anyone doing business with iran will not be doing business with the united states. i'm asking for world peace, nothing less. well, pretty substantial goals there and global pacification, but the key thing is there
suggesting that if you do business under these sanctions with iran, then you can no longer do business in the united states. now, that is essentially what this global pressure is about from donald trump and it is having substantial effect on the psychology of iran's economy, which is suffering from its local currency diminishing. the new sanctions it will face the automotive industry, precious metals, access to u.s. currency reserves, too. but most importantly here, there's a background of diplomatic chatter as well. has san rouhani said he could negotiate with donald trump right now. he does appear to see sanctions alleviated and makes a paraphrase how you can't talk to somebody who has a knife in your arm or in your back. it may be that iran has seen how the north korea and russian one-on-one meetings donald trump had with their respective leaders went that bought time and agenda setting for the
comparative opponents there. maybe iran sees a window here. hardliners in both countries think talks are unlikely and steady march towards november deadline when banking and oil sanctions kick in and certainly have a much stronger impact on iran, john. >> thank you for laying all that out for us. it will be interesting to watch. also, we're watching what happens in five states today has voters go to the polls for these primaries. we have the races that you need to keep an eye on next. nished p him for college. in 24 hours, you'll send him off thinking you've done everything for his well-being. but meningitis b progresses quickly and can be fatal, sometimes within 24 hours. while meningitis b is uncommon, about 1 in 10 infected will die. like millions of others, your teen may not be vaccinated against meningitis b. meningitis b strikes quickly. be quick to talk to your teen's doctor about a meningitis b vaccine.
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♪ okay. so voters are heading to the polls in five states today. we have kansas, michigan, missouri and washington and then ohio. you have to keep an eye on the state's 12th congressional district there. they're holding a special election. so here to discuss the primaries and the special election, we have cnn congressional correspondent phil mattingly. >> he's been training his whole life in many ways. congressional correspondent and went to ohio state. he is suited for this. >> this is your moment. >> this is it. i peek here apeak here and then
all downhill. >> i peaked in high school. you beat me. >> this shouldn't be a seat that's in play for democrats. look, it's a seat that president trump won by -- it's a district president trump won by 11 points, mitt romney won by 12 points. it's rated by plus seven republican district and democrat hasn't held this seat in 30 years. any other normal year and any other normal time republicans cruise. pat teaberry won his election in 2017 by 120 some odd thousands votes. this shouldn't be close. that's the issue right now. one is the makeup of the district. you look at the areas where democrats point to is why they should be in a good place in 2018 it's well educated suburban white voters. it is the most educated district in all of ohio. they feel like there's places to play there. they have a good candidate who is not talking about president trump actually. he's talking purely about issues. and they feel like they can seize on the momentum. i will say one other thing that i think people may be missing
here. when this is actually happening. this is happening in august. this is happening just a couple of week before high school football starts in ohio which means families are taking vacations. people aren't paying attention to this. when that happens in a special election and there's enthusiasm gap towards the democratic side, upsets can happen. >> it's a ridiculous time to hold an important election. >> yes. >> the first week of august. what are the signs, phil, that republicans are nervous here? >> you know, we've been talking about this off camera, the silence that you're hearing from republican operatives right now, the fact that over the course of the last five, six, seven days people are questioning the candidate. balderson is not a bad candidate. he won races on the state level in his district from zainsville and he is a candidate republicans desperately wanted to win the primary early this year. now they're questioning what he's done and how it's going to work. you talk about when this is happening and that it's a special election. this is not a democrats trying to flip independents or democrats trying to flip trump
voters. this is people trying to turn out their base. in a place where suburbs are so important, you have president trump in town on saturday having a big rally. it's about turning out your base. while this is a heavily suburban district, there are pockets of rural counties that still very much support the president. if these people turn out in a district where it's two to one advantage for republicans, troy balderson should be okay. the reality is what we're all hearing republicans are concerned for a reason. they're seeing the numbers. they know the timing of it and recognize that this race which shouldn't be close is a problem right now. >> tell us what else we should be looking at, kansas, michigan, missouri, washington have their primaries. >> interesting. there will be a lot to chew on tonight. in michigan obviously you have debby stabinaw is expected to be safe. there's a republican candidate john james supported by president trump. we'll see if his undefeated streak of boosting candidates into wins --
>> stop there for one thing. the trump factor is for real and it is effective. >> in primaries. >> in primaries. the candidates he chooses win. >> i think the last ten or 11 that he's come out and supported have ended up winning. and what's interesting is when i talk to d.c. republicans, national republicans who met with john james, he has a background, military veteran, they all say that amongst all the senate candidates they're talking to right now, he is one of the most impressive. still not expected to win michigan necessarily, but he could turn that into a good race a race that president trump won that state. the other obviously you talk about endorsements is kansas. chris kobach running for governor in kansas, the last three to four months in headlines his campaign should middle in the 5 to 10% range, president trump endorsing him, obviously a close ally of president trump, huge on voter id laws, voter fraud which doesn't necessarily exist based on -- >> he was the head of the commission that was then disbanded and yesterday revealed by one of the members to have been something of a hoax. >> right. these are the types of things in
an election you would think would be problematic in a race. he gets the boost from president trump. this is a plus 20 republican state, you might see him come out of the primary and we'll see what happens from there. >> this is an issue where the president endorsed someone in the national party did not want him to endorse. they do not want to see chris kobach emerging as the candidate there, it will give democrats an opportunity to take that seat. >> not just because of the resume. one of the interesting elements of chris kobach, education funding that's given democrats a boost in that state, sam brownback stepped down barely won his re-elect by four points in large part because of a tax plan he pushed through that the republican legislation repealed. chris kobach supports that tax plan. that has no support in the state right now and he's pushing to reimplement it. democrats feel like they have an opening there. can they win something? i will tell you in kansas keep an eye in two races, kansas 2
and kansas 3, those are two races to keep an eye on as democrats look at those 23 potential seats to try to flip the house in november. >> phil mattingly -- >> you made us much smarter. >> here all week on "early start," so wake up early. >> very early. >> set your alarm for 4:00 a.m. >> the show is half over by then. you have to set it for 2. i know from experience. >> yes, you do. >> tune in tonight to cnn for complete election results starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. after his war of words with the president, lebron james has a new project looking at the role of athletes in the current political climate, timing is everything. bleacher report has the details next. you always pay your insurance on time.
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former education secretary under president obama. so what does he mean by that? let's find out. we're joined now by arne duncan, author of "how schools work" an inside account of failure and success from one of the nation's longest serving secretaries of education. great to see you. >> good morning. thanks for having me. you start your book with a bang and here are the lies we all tell ourselves. we value education. we value teachers. we value kids. how are those lies? >> we say we value education. that's the platitude, none of us vote on education. we don't hold politics accountable for raising graduation rates, increasing access to high quality pre-k. making college more accessible and more affordable. i don't blame the politicians. blame us voters across the spectrum. we say we value teachers. we don't pay them or train them as professionals and have meaningful career ladders. this is the toughest one, i don't think we value our
children like other nations do. we don't invest in them early and don't keep them safe. we've raised a generation of teens on mass shootings, on gun violence and that's absolutely unacceptable. that doesn't happen in other places. >> i saw you in washington, d.c. for the march, the never again march after the parkland school shooting. columbine was in 1999. how have we not solved this problem yet? >> i think we value our guns more than we do our kids. and the parkland kids have been extraordinary. they're providing amazing leadership. we have kids from chicago joining them. my family and i were at that march in washington. what i honestly believe are young people are going to succeed where we as adults have failed. we have failed to keep them safe. we have failed to allow them to grow up free of fear and trauma. many civil rights movement, this battle will be won by young people's leadership. >> since you had her job previously, how do you think betsy devos is doing? >> i think they're really struggling. there's no vision.
there's no meaningful strategy. i think there's a couple goals we as a nation should unite behind. i think we should try to lead the world in access to high quality pre-k and get our babies off to a good start. we were proud to get high school graduation rate to 84%. we should lead the world in college completion. you don't hear any of that. >> you say there's no vision. they talk about school choice. that's one of their goals. >> that's a small strategy. that's not a goal. our goal should be, again, early access to early childhood education, high school graduation rates and even higher rates, lead the world in college completion. honestly, i'm not sure president trump wants to have the best educated work force in the world. >> why is that? >> it doesn't play to his authoritarian tendencies. you don't want highly educated people challenging you, thinking you. you're trying to call the press enemy of the people, suppress trust in institutions having thoughtful people who can think
by themselves, think critically, i'm not sure that's in his self interest. >> since you opened the door to president trump, let's talk about this spat he's having with lebron james as it relates to lebron james who opened this school in akron, ohio, for at-risk kids. it's a laudable goal. it provides food. it provides transportation. it provides bikes and helmets. of course nothing is free. there will be a cost to taxpayers. this is a public school. i think they estimate in order to sustain this school it will be something like $8 million to the taxpayers of ohio. what do you think of that model? >> first of all, lebron james is maybe the best basketball player on the planet. he's a better person than he is a basketball player. and i love people stepping up. i love public and private partnerships. having a great school academically. having the bikes. helping feed kids. having color scholarships on the back end. we should be encouraging everyone to do this. the fact that this is somehow
threatening to president trump speaks volumes. >> so you like the idea of somebody from the outside saying that the public school system is broken and that one person is going to make the difference here? >> it's not saying the public system is broken. it's trying to create another great option. i was very lucky going back 20 years ago to help start a private public school where they weren't great school options. that school 20 years later is one of the highest performing elementary schools in the nation. seeing lebron, other people step up and do similar things to what we did, we can't do enough of that. we should be all in. all of us should be all in. we have to educate our way to a better economy. >> duncan, you have a new book out. i should have brought it over, but it's sitting on the table. i'm sure we have a graphic, there we go "how schools work" by arne duncan. pick it up. it has lots of provocative thoughts now. now i've been magically handed it. thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks to our international
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