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rudy giuliani will be here in moments. plus, tense anniversary, after last year's violent protests in charlottesville. white supremacists gear up to march to the white house today. the man who was virginia's governor back then may be preparing to take on trump. >> you would have to sell tickets to that debate. >> terry mcauliffe will be here next. lesson learned? one year after his kmentsz on charlottesville. >> you had people that were very fine people, on both sides. >> the president now tweets he condemns all types of racism, just what is he striing to sign signal. >> i'm jake tapper, the state of our union is kind of confused. marks one year since the deadly rally in charlottesville. you might expect an american president to speak forcefully against racism with white nationalists preparing to march
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to the white house, his house this very evening. the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. we must come together as a nation. i condemn all types of racism and peace to all americans. all americans, critics of the that echos the phrase from last year when he blamed violence on both sides and reluck tans to condemn white sprem cysts, a stark contrast, there is no place for neo-naziism in our great interest and contrast with the forceful take down of his own attorney general, calling jeff sessions scared stiff and missing in action as the president's legal team is locked in intense negotiations with the special counsel over whether the president will sit for an interview as part of the ongoing russia investigation.
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thursday night he dined with rudy giuliani. thanks for joining me, we appreciate it. there's been a lot of news about the back and force whether there's going to be an invut. i want to play the rationale why you don't want the president to be questioned by his dealing with then fbi director james comey. we're working him into a perjury trap, who they would credit namely comey. >> they have indicated to us even in our discussions -- pressure for these other people -- >> how exactly has the mueller team led you to believe they have a preference for comey, that they would side with him. what did they say? >> first of all, they haven't talked -- i haven't talked to him in two months and this goes back two months ago. it goes back to conversations they had can john, john dowd who i talked to several times a week.
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we've interviewed to give you a prover. we'll tell them the president's answers to everything. they already know them, flynn, the president said he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. co comey says the president did. we'll put that aside, if we ever had a trial -- i don't think we will. if he goes in and testifies to that under oath instead of just this being a dispute, they can say it's perjury if they elect to believe comey instead of trump they show know who they believe. >> you indicated they already side with tommy. what have they said to lead you to that impression? >>ener not willing to tell us what their purpose is for asking the question since they know the answer. we've been doing this a long
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time, jay and i, i know the purpose for it. the purpose is to write up some kind of perjury thing. that's what we mean -- there's an article in national review this week by andy mccarthy, very fine prosecutor, that explains how he -- how you put together a perjury trap and this is probably a perfect example of it. >> you said one reason why the president doesn't need to sit for questions about dealings with comey because he's already given his explanations and made them public. i want to be clear exactly what happened in that conversation with comey about michael flynn. what exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. memo came out in may. and in between, comey testified under oath, in no way he had been obstructed at any time. then all of a sudden in may he says he felt obstructed. he felt pressured by that comment, you should go easy on flynn. so we maintain the president
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didn't say that. but if we do that under oath, we end up in a sort of martha stewart situation. >> mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, quote, can you give him a break? now you're saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. never said that. what i said was that was what comey is saying trump said. i have always said the president denies it. it would be easier for me if the president did say that. jay and i could defend that. the statement go easy on him is hardly an obstruction. obstruction involves a threat, obstruction involves a false testimony, obstruction involves an offer of money. has to be corrupt. just saying exercise your prosecutorial discretion to give a general a break, i had that happen all the time to me when i was a prosecutor. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. why are they asking us for him
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to repeat what they already know under oath. >> you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tell abc news he said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> no, i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> and let me ask you a question a larger philosophical question. i know you're defending your client. for the record, do you think a president of the united states, any president, can ever obstruct justice or do you think that's impossible because the president is the executive in charge of the justice department? >> well, there are people who argue that he could never obstruct justice. i think that's too far fetched an argument, we don't have to make it obviously. suppose a president would put a gun to someone's head and say, i'm going to kill you unless you -- unless you stop testifying or don't testify or say what i want you to say. obviously i can't imagine that isn't and obstruction of justice. i think now our argument is when he's exercising his power as president, obviously using a gun
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is not exercising his power as president and firing somebody, then it becomes very, very questionable whether it can be an obstruction of justice. and in this particular case, he gave other reasons that are perfectly legitimate. the best interview is the one with lester holt. he mentions the russia investigation. he ends the interview by saying i fully expect that somebody else will take his place and i may be even looking at a longer investigation. so how -- that can't be obstruction. he knows that somebody is going to replace comey and somebody did a few days later. >> you've been saying that all of this needs to be over by the end of the month, by september 1st. take a listen to what you said on fox news this week. >> sure. >> if it isn't over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules, you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60 day period. >> as you know, that's not actually accurate.
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there is a doj custom not to make public disclosures about investigations within 60 days of election but no doj rule that every investigation needs to be shut down within 60 days of an election. >> of course not one that is eminent or one that has to be done or some serious loss of evidence could take place. but there is a justice department practice and he's bound by it, to the best you can you shouldn't be carrying these things on right before an election. you can't carry on this investigation without a leak. i don't know who's doing it but maybe it's the special counsel, maybe it's some of the agents or some of the defense lawyers. i don't know, but everything gets leaked or just about everything. so and you don't want to do what comey did, to run -- have some serious disclosure take place out of your control ten days before the election. >> so the special counsel has scheduled grand jury testimony from randy kredco on december
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september 7th. that's after your september 1st deadline. what's your response? >> september 1st was the date bob mueller gave me back two months ago where he said when we were talking about getting his report done, he threw out the date september 1 as being a reasonable date to get it done. and i -- maybe i credited too much. i thought he meant that will keep us clear of the elections and they did say something like they didn't want to repeat some of the mistakes comey made. so maybe i put those two things together or jay did and we came away with the idea that trying to get it done by then. also seemed for first time -- i'm not saying pressure us, but trying to speed us up to give them an answer. we may be arguing over something we don't have to argue over. i think they feel the necessity to get as close to they can to that 60 day period as we do. after all, they are the ones that will be criticize not us. >> you have said you think the ongoing russia investigation might help republicans in the midterms because president trump quote needs something to energize his voters.
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what do you say to critics who say you and your team seem to be dragging out negotiations in order to energize the gop base. >> you could argue either way about the political effect, trying to be like comey and figure out the political implications of an investigation. you could also say it might energize the other base because they are so intent -- some have come out for impeachment before the investigation. be that as it may, the most important thing is that we shouldn't be carrying on this investigation any longer than we have to. it can get done by early september. they have all of the information they need to write a report and either raise questions, do whatever they want to do. the ultimate decision-making will be rosenstein, not mueller. >> you're still arguing about the interview and whether or not there should be -- that mueller can even ask about any of the dealings with comey. >> well, i mean, i should be
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clear, we're not going to take any questions on comey because we believe that we would be almost committing malpractice by doing that. they've -- they've made it clear they will not indicate to us what their view on this is and without that, we run the risk of their having the ability to cite him for perjury. >> i want to play for you because earlier in the interview i was talking about a comment you made to abc news a month ago about what exactly president trump said to comey. you're not saying that the president tells you that he said nothing -- >> i've been saying that from the beginning. >> i want to -- >> i'm talking about comey's rendition -- >> i want to play the sound so people understand why i asked the question. >> sure. okay. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was asking him, directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says -- >> so you directed to --
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>> okay, you said that i mean. >> i said it but also said before it i'm talking about their version of it. look, lawyers argue in the alternative. i know it's complicated but we've been over it long enough. why would i say something that isn't true? i mean, the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he's saying that i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying, the conversation never took place. but if it did take place and here's the conversation that's alleged, it is not illegal to have said that. that's what i'm saying, we call it arguing in the alternative. >> it was a little confusing i suppose. >> i appreciate that but i've been asked a question numerous times, that's the answer. if i confused it, i'm sorry. >> i do want to ask you one question about one of your nemesis, michael avenatti -- the attorney for stormy daniels. >> who? >> michael avenatti, speaking
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at the wing ding dinner at the ohio state fair and seriously considering a run for the white house against president trump. wondering what your thoughts are mr. avenatti running for president. >> speaking at the wing nut -- >> wing ding dinner. >> iowa democratic party. >> wing ding dinner. okay. that sounds like the right place for him to speak. he has every right to do what he wants. i think i would settle the bankruptcy situation where he owes 10 million bucks first but hey, it's up to him. >> there's a history of people with bankruptcies in their past running for president -- >> no, no. >> mayor giuliani. >> cheap shot. cheap shot. >> mayor giuliani, thanks you so much. >> take care, yeah. >> one year after the deadly riots, president trump is condemning all racism. is that the right message? the man who is governor of virginia at the time will be here next. hello, sir. good to see you. (vo) combine the right things. and something amazing happens. that's our inspiration for fancy feast medleys. wild salmon primavera. tastes amazing. also in pate.
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president trump for his response to the white supremacists protest in charlottesville and called a lack of leadership by him. here's what the tweeted, the riots in charlottes a year ago resulted in senseless death and division i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. peace to all americans. is that good enough? do you have concerns about that statement? >> first of all, should have done it a year ago. i was there in charlottesville to see the neo-nazis and white supremacists, about a thousand walking down the street screaming most vile things about members of the african-american community and members of the jewish faith. i never seen anything like it, jake. people used to wear hoods in this country because they wanted to disfis themselves. to disguise themselves. they don't feel the need to do that anymore. i explained what the people were doing in the city of charlottesville and gave a statement that it was both sides fault, i've got to tell you, it was shocking to me. it wasn't both sides. you had one side of neo-nazis wearing adolph hitler t-shirts
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white supremacists screaming obscenities at the african-american community and walking down the streets. they came armed. this wasn't both sides and the other side were the folks protesting against hatred like heather hee hooeer. it was unfortunate the president did not use that opportunity. he came out and blamed both sides. there's a team when you need to show moral leadership and send a message to the world. he failed that day. i had to go out -- i followed him an hour later and told them to go home, not wanted in this state. they pretend they are patriots. they are a bunch much cowards, cannot let 1,000 people really hurt the reputation of a state of 8.5 million people or country of 325 million. >> let me ask a question about what happened last year. obviously no one here is defending the nazis or white supremacists, what they said or did was heinous, but there has been criticism whether or not
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the city of charlottesville and commonwealth of virginia was adequately prepared. take a listen. >> our law enforcement, you saw the videos last year, their behavior was absolutely unacceptable. you need to see them react very differently to the situation than they did last year so people feel safe. we have a lot of work to do to regain trust. >> moreover, an independent review found virginia police did not adequately share their plans with the local police. you were governor of virginia at the time. the fault is with the violent nazis, et cetera, but would you acknowledge there was a failure at the city level and maybe even at the state level to adequately prepare? >> the state level we put unprecedented resources, huge contingents of state police, i called out the national guard for the first time since 1930 in anticipation. we helped charlottesville and sent down resources. under virginia law, local control, even though the state and national guard and local are
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in control. that was not a good decision. we commission i put together we subsequently changed it. this year the state police were in charge. no longer are local authorities in charge of a situation where the state sends resources. we're able to fix it. second thing, the permitting process, we requested it not be in emancipation park, a tiny little park. it needed to be moved to mcintyre. you want to keep the protesters separate. as you know the city filed to move at the aclu sued them and at 9:00 on friday night, the judge ruled with the aclu against the city of charlottesville. everybody was put there. but the good news is, the commission i put together, robust permitting now will never be allowed to happen again and now state will take control in situations like this. but i want to commend the brave young men and women who were out there fighting every single day to keep our cities safe and they did a very good job.
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in 11:20 i ordered a state of emergency and brian moran said it is untenable. the permit wasn't supposed to start the at noon and we cleared the park in 11 minutes. >> there's a lot of energy on the left you know potential 2020 candidates senators elizabeth warren and gillibrand want to abolish i.c.e. and at least two democratic socialists who are going to be members of congress in 2019, she just endorsed a congressional candidate in minnesota who made a number of anti-israel comments, saying they hypnotized the world about their quote evil doings. are you worried about the direction of the democratic party? >> i don't like all of these labels that we have today. we have big elections in 2018 and need to be focused on that. i support candidates who support the values i believe in. a pro economy, pro jobs, everybody gets health care. that should be the message of our party, like in michigan, i went up and endorsed gretchen and we won up there. the next day the other two candidates came to the luncheon and all came together at the
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end. i believe as we go into the elections, it's about the values you stand for. as governor of virginia, i focus on jobs every single day with a strong economy, i put the largest investment in k-12 education, history of virginia. able to invest in your priorities and that needs to be the message of the democratic party. i don't spend time talking about donald trump and i talk about what we can do. i have traveled the country. we have 36 governors races, these governors are critical because they will be in the chair in 2021, redistricting comes around. we're going to have a huge win, maine and michigan and illinois and wisconsin and nevada and new mexico, going to be pickups in florida and ohio. and wisconsin and going to be pick ups in florida and ohio. >> you say you don't talk about president trump and that's not your message on the stump but after the president's meeting in helsinki you tweeted out the president has violated his oath to preserve and protect and defend against all enemies
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foreign and domestic. if you think he violated oath f office, do you think he should be impeached? >> if president clinton or president obama had gone to helsinki and done what president trump had done, you would have impeach hearings going on. this president went over with putin, our sworn enemy, what he has done all over the globe, this is not our friend. he is not our ally. >> do you want to impeach? >> russia's economy is smaller than italy. why is he over there elevating this country in this president to a level of a super power which they are not. >> you said he violated the oath to preserve and protect and defend the constitution. do you think he should be impeached? >> i think there's something we ought to look at. clearly what he has done with putin, he fights us every single day. we're battling him all over the globe including what's happening in ukraine and what's going on in syria today.
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there has to be a reason why he's over there acting the way he acts. this man is our enemy. he fights us and do not forget they came into the 2016 election, they came in and tried to destroy the greatest democracy in the world, the united states of america. we cannot forget and now we're hearing this week that they are continuing their efforts. they are undermining our country. >> should fight and quit bear hugging like trump likes to do. >> looking at 2020, michael avenatti was at the wing ding seminar where he offered a critique saying that the democratic party must be a party that fights fire with fire when they go low, i say we hit harder. he says that it's time for the democratic party to not nominate a politician. what do you think? >> we'll see what happens with 2020. i bristle when i hear about 2020 because we have so much at stake, 36 governors, the house and senate. our future is on the line this year. it really -- these candidates should not be talking about 2020. we have too much at stake. we need to make sure we have a check and balance on president
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trump and these governors and the rollback of rights is happening in states and that's why we need to pick up. down to 16 governors and need to pick up governors going forward. 2020 will come soon enough. when 2020 comes, i hope everybody runs. but our message as a party ought to be like i had in virginia, how do you grow an economy, unemployment from 5.4 to 3.6, invest in education, i had the restoration rights of more than any governor in the history of america, a progressive governor who is pro business growing the economy with good paying jobs. that's the democratic message. >> thank you for being here. we appreciate it. coming up, a bull horn for racism, that's what spike lee is saying president trump has. is playing the race card working for the president and his support for his base? more next. (vo) when bandits stole the lockbox from the wells fargo stagecoach, agent beekman was one step ahead of them. because he hid his customers' gold in a different box. and the bandits, well, they got rocks. we protected your money then and we're dedicated to helping
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my panel is it with me now. nina turner, i have heard people criticizing this statement from the president because it says all types of racism and peace to all types of people. do you share that view or do you the comment on face value that he's trying to do the right thing. >> i don't know if he's trying to do the right thing. >> certainly it's better than what he said last year, maybe he's learning but the thing is in his policies, he can say one thing but what are the actions of his policies, actions of his statements. i mean, he dogged out lebron james, king james from where i come from, don lemon, congressman -- >> you're from ohio. >> i'm from cleveland. maxine waters, the types of statements that he makes towards african-americans and nfl players, at least on face value what he said in that tweet or put in that tweet is light years ahead of what he said last year. what about his actions? even his attorney general sessions renewing the war on drugs, criminalizing marijuana in ways that president obama's administration did not do.
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i mean, these are the types of things we should really be paying attention to, not just what he's tweeting. >> what's your response? >> i'm with nina. like to pay attention to what results are. black unemployment is a historic low. more -- >> the quality of jobs -- >> but the more blacks are coming into the workforce than any other demographic. the president this last week endorsed a bipartisan measure for prison reform, to remove mandatory minimums and empty some of the jails of these ridiculous marijuana offenses. there's more opportunity and more economic uplift for african-americans and all americans now than in many, many years. i think if you look at his results, he's doing great things for all people. >> it will still take, it will take african-americans 228 years, that's 11 plus generations to catch up with the average -- the wealth of the average white american. >> can we take a step back?
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>> this is not -- this is not like he has waved some magic wand and all of the agony and struggle the african-american community is over. >> of course not. >> it's not over. >> i agree. >> he exacerbate. >> white, black as americans need to take a step back. i can't listen to statistics about the economy because there are white supremacists marching on the white house lawn today. >> not on the lawn but across the street. >> practically within ear shot of the white house. where is my president? in new jersey at the golf course. the best he can do is put out a tweet? this festered and become worse because the president has taken a both sides approach. this is a time to take sides. it's a no brainer and it sickens me when i drive home today i'm going to drive past this and president does nothing about it. >> first and foremost, we do need to take a step back. the president of the united states didn't invent racism. >> that's right. >> this country has built on racism. it's been here before donald
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trump and it will be here after donald trump. >> yes, it is. >> he has -- i think donald trump is a racist but that's not here for this conversation. he does use racism as political currency. people have a hard time defining what racism is. carmichael said if you want to lynch me, that's your problem, but if you have the power to lynch me, that's my problem. >> yes. >> a lot of people are having this issue with donald trump because he has the power to implement policies which are directly affecting african-americans in a bad way. let me talk about this both sides and why people had a problem with it. it's a direct line between -- >> you're talking about the new tweet. >> the new tweet, racism on all sides and both sides. >> one second to come back to, i want to quote, a usa today article and president's tweet trump didn't call for peace usa today, coded language, all types of racism to signal his fellow white supremacists to feel egregious to those whom they terrorize and kill and diluted the meaning of a word. do not do the same.
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>> i agree. let me tell you why. there are no both sides to this equation. if you are marching under a nazi flag, you can go to hell. there's no two sides to this, no both sides to this equation. there's not all sides to racism. we have to begin to understand that and amanda said it best, you in this struggle against racism, fashism, bigotry, my problem with lindsey graham and jerry falwell, you have to choose a side. there's no both sides to this. >> i know what people think in the studios of cnn and people think in the editorial boards across the country. i also see that according to recent polling, twice as many african-americans support the president as opposed to last year this time. what the elite are saying, doesn't match with what's happening on street. and the economy is helping everyone. >> polls are a snapshot in time but this is the thing -- >> i need to see that poll. >> probably like 10% to 20%. >> 13% to 29%.
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>> listen, racism is structural racism. there's a book called black democracy, it talks about the value gap in this country. that black lives as compared to white lives are not as valued. we see that play out generation after generation. this is not just about the nazis marching in the streets. that's one thing. when malcolm x said the difference between a south and north is the difference between the fox and the wolf. i understand the wolf because the wolf is out there in open. what i don't understand is the fox. and the fox has created a structural system in this country that is bigger than trump being the president. we should confront mr. trump and confront the bigots, different between a white water fountain and colored water fountain but my god we're talking about structural racism here. >> we'll continue this conversation. americans are voting along deeply divided racial lines. how is it shaping the political message? stay there. (vo) this is not a video game.
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rural america spoke up when they elected trump. we're staring down the barrel of a gun in white america. 193 white americans and vast majority in their 60s and 70s and will be in the ground in the next 20 years and therefore we have the possibility of becoming a minority in our own country. >> so sounds to me you're afraid of being me -- and being me -- >> this is my country. >> sara sidner's country too. that was daniel burnside explaining his fear about white america and support for president trump. my panel is back with me. clearly, not all trump supporters are racist. let's get that on the table. but it's inescapable that a lot of racists feel em boldened and support president trump should he not make it more clear that he does not want their support. >> perhaps but at the same time, i think when cnn gives air time to a character like that, they increase the problem as well.
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it was a well done piece. i was actually quite thoughtful but hate to see that stuff on television. i think we're all -- we all need to adjust the way we're looking at this stuff. what we need is a real summit on racism. where people who don't support the president, not just the african-american -- you should go, you're kind of -- you have an independent thinker in the midst of the democratic party, i mean and you're as smart as anybody but my wife. you guys should sit with the president and talk about this. >> would you? >> no. >> do you think the president would do that? >> that's a good question. i think on this sunday, people think that you can get to atonement without confession. you can get to the forgiveness for your sins without necessarily acknowledging them. to the question of would i sit down, we were talking about it a little in the commercial break, but with preconditions, you're going to have to apologize to the central park five and
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apologize to those casino workers you discriminated against and you'll have to apologize to those nfl players called son of a pitches and put forth a plan where we're making sure flint has clean water and we're addressing the fact that kids in the country still penal ized. >> for four years. >> would you? >> no. >> anything constructive in having a conversation? >> that's the point though, jake, would it be anything constructive. it would have to be some conditions to that. we've got to come out with a real plan that worked from beginning to end. it's not to sit down to let the president off the hook to say i sat down with african-american leerds and all is not well in this country. i don't want people to think they can get a pass just because president trump is so vile on these issues that we can abdicate our responsibility to look deeply at structural and institutional racism in this country. >> i would say on that front, i don't think it's the job of people who are offended to go and explain to the persons doing
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the offending actions to say why they are wrong. president trump should be able to realize that he has a special obligation to tell these people he does not want their support. look at the congressional baseball shooting. a person that carried out that shooting was a supporter of bernie sanders. sanders immediately said he was shocked, sickened and did not condone this behavior any way, shape or form. that's what you have to do. when people do bad actions and in the name of that politician, it is on that politician to put distance between them -- >> that person didn't shoot in the name shall of -- >> of course not, putting distance between that. that's what i'm saying. >> mitt romney put out a statement over the weekend, obviously been critical of the president a lot of times and also he's been supportive of him. he wrote, we must insist those we elect as leaders respect and embrace americans of every race and national origin in this country must be electoral disqualifying to equivocate on
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raci racism. it's a strong statement and there are a lot of people who feel president trump has ee quif indicated on racism. >> this is why people like me never trump, it should be disqualifying to give a politician support if they give a wink and nod to blatant racism. >> can i chime in briefly? >> yeah. >> i appreciate the statement by mitt romney and i chas ties my senator lindsey graham and put him in the same category with jerry falwell, you put out statements or not great statements, what's next? they don't do anything when they come out and says something racist it's so much inaction and nobody has the fortitude to stand up and say anything. i've said it once and i'll say it again, it doesn't -- mean at a turner and sellers will not change the conversation about race in this country. >> we won't? >> it's going to take -- >> bigger plans. >> it's going to take white males evangelicals who wants to stand up and say the values
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i espouse on sunday morning espouse throughout the week. >> it's not -- the onus is not on black folks and brown folks, we're the ones trans gresed. >> it's electorally dissqualling why you're allowed to run for office is ridiculous and opining like that with romney should disqualify him for office. >> come on. >> at the end of the day, the african-american pastors were visiting with the president and addressing the issues. there are people who don't agree and attacking this issue and discussing this in the white house now. meanwhile, we have twice as many african-americans support the president to date than they did last year this time -- >> snapshot -- >> i want to interrupt because we only have a minute left in the panel. i want to play the sound that omarosa just played, sound from white house chief of staff john kelly firing her in the situation room. take a listen.
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>> this is a nonnegotiable discussion. >> i don't want to negotiate, i've never talk -- had a chance to talk to you general kelly. this is my departure, i would like to have at least an opportunity to understand -- >> no. >> to understand -- >> we can talk another time. this has to do with pretty serious violations. so i'll let it go at that. so the staff and everyone on the staff works for me not the president. wow omar rosa recording her own firing in the situation room. >> huge betrayal of trust, when you create a monster eventually it will turn on its creator and extract revenge. >> if she's getting a phone in the situation room to tape things, are we not to believe some other foreign government doesn't have access to our president? >> we have a bigger problem. >> we will never get back talking about -- >> omarosa 2020. thanks one and all for being here. where there's a swamp there's quick sand and the president's people are stepping in it. who's stuck in the mud?
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the problem with draining swamps, you never know what you'll find lurking down here. that's this week's state of the cartoonian. >> swamps had been part of american pop culture for decades, from the popular comic street pogo the possum to the creature from the black lagoon and enemies of the super friends and legion of doom with their headquarters in slaughter swamp. the most potent image of the swamp when it's used as a symbol of the corruption of washington, d.c. as when ronald reagan promised to drain the swamp. >> hard when you're up in your
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arm pits in alligators to remember you came here to drawn the swamp. >> it's a slogan president trump has fully embraced. >> we ought to change it from the sword swamp to the board ses pool. >> though actually ridding d.c. of the swampy krit ters, that's proven elusive, chris collins this week arrested for insider trading in the president's own backyard. also this week the trial of former campaign chair paul n manafort with key testimony from rick gates. not to mention the law enforcement investigation into trump lawyer michael cohen and that's to say nothing of ethics concerns about jared kushner or tom price or scott pruitt. the president initially did not want to use the slogan at first. >> they had this expression drain the swamp. i hated it. >> in retrospect, that might have been smart. >> thanks to all of you for watching fareed zakaria
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