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top of the hour. good morning. i'm poppy harlow in new york. minutes from now we will see the president. he is heading to a fund-raiser in the hamptons. the big question, will he address the growing criticism over his decision to strip former cia director's security clearance? 13 former intelligence officials, who worked in republican and democraticed aminu aadministration, come to brennan's defense. they are contenders to lose their clearance are involved in the russia investigation or have been critical of the president. let's begin at the white house. abby philip is there. what are you hearing from white house aides? i know we don't know if and when these others will be stripped. as to the why. >> reporter: the white house is
really being a little bit forceful on this issue, because the president is, according to our sources, still very much interested in dealing with some of the other individuals that they identified earlier this week whose clearances are going to be reviewed. he is interested in stripping them of their clearance. first of all, one of the issues that they are dealing with at the white house is that they are getting pushback from some unexpected quarters. admiral william mcraven, someone who doesn't often speak out about issues of the day, he was one of the architects of the bin laden's raid. i would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance so i can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency. we asked the white house counselor kellyanne conway this morning about mcraven's comments
in this op-ed. she declined to answer. she focused on john brennan. here is what she had to say. >> why is everybody so obsessed with the president of the united states that they can't begin or finish a sentence without mentioning his name. it's weird. it's affecting people on the news who fancy themselves security experts. he had that clearance for a long time. i think chairman burr said it best. if you said there was russian collusion, why didn't you tell us when you were oath? >> as you heard there, kellyanne conway asking us why we're so focused on the president? i think the answer is simple, because he's the president of the united states. more to the point about the security clearances, they are focusing on john brennan and what they are characterizing as his lack of credibility. the question remains, how are they going to evaluate the other folks on the list, some of whom are involved in the russia investigation? what are they going to use to
determine whether or not their clearances ought to be stripped. >> abby, thank you for the reporting from the white house. have a good weekend. unless the president says something, and then you are coming back here. bob baer joins me now. we're waiting to hear from the president. maybe he will speak to reporters as he walks across the south lawn in a few minutes. help me understand the significance, for example, of admiral mcraven's op-ed, the man who is so respected, the man who led the bin laden raid, calling the president out like this. saying it would be an honor if you strip my security clearance, because i am speaking out against your presidency. what's the significance of that? >> it's huge, poppy. mcraven is well respected, special forces community especially, an admiral, decorated. for somebody who is very conservative to come out against the president like this, so strongly, it tells you that this
pulling brennan's clearance -- there's no justification, first of all, is a political act, free speech, first amendment and the rest of it. the national security establishment is starting to revolt in a big way. >> pulling his security clearance for being too political, you know, is a political act. rudy giuliani says this list of the nine people who we know have been very outspoken against the president or are part of the russia probe in one way or another is not an enemy list. this is case by case. here is what he says. the basis for having it, meaning clearance, is the president is going to call on you for advice. if that doesn't exist, there's reason for you to have clearance. is that true? it's not just the president. it's current cia officials, current intelligence officials who might need your expertise on something. now you can't give it to them. >> and former presidents as
well. they keep their security clearances. there's no justification for pulling it. the only reason you would is if this was unauthorized disclosures. john brennan knows a lot more about the russian investigation. he hasn't said a word about it. the national security agency, for instance, has intercepted hundreds of phone calls of russians talking about it. john brennan hasn't alluded to it. the president is scared brennan and the others will come out with more facts that will -- >> he did, bob. he did in that "new york times" op-ed yesterday morning. he went pretty far. he didn't lay out evidence, but he said it's hogwash to say there's no -- his word, hogwash, there's no collusion. some are pointing to that as going too far when mueller's team has not yet come out with their conclusion. what do you think? >> calling it hogwash is a political statement. but he hasn't come out unauthorized disclosures, sources and methods, intelligence, that's not public.
he has not crossed that line. he's very careful. he knows what he is doing. >> bob, nice to have you. thanks for being with me. >> thanks. let's talk more about this, doug high is here, former rnc communications director, jackie kosinich also joins me. nice to have you both. jackie, the reporting we are learning more and more about, why the president did this, why he did it now, right, when the letter was originally dated two weeks ago and it is because, according to the reporting, that the white house wanted to change the narrative away from the omarosa and race conversation this week, but "the washington post" reports that the president feels emboldened by this, this fight plays out well for him politically. does it? >> i think among certain people it does. there isn't any real consequences for the president with his base. it's making him look strong after omarosa spent a week making him look weak. they can't control her. this is something the president
can control, because it's very much in his purview to do this. now the reason the intelligence establishment, as others have said, is revolting against this is because why it happened. it's not because he was actually concerned. this was meant as a distraction to make us talk about this. it's worth talking about. i'm not saying it's not. how this was used as a political tactic to change the subject is disturbing for a lot of people, both inside the intelligence community and outside. >> is this a good fight for republicans to be part of, doug, 81 days away from the midterms? if you are running and asked, do you agree with president trump on almost everything, do you agree he should have stripped brennan's security clearance, the clearance of these nine folks, does that put republicans in a tough spot? >> the overwhelming majority will back him. i think he raised good questions about brennan. that's where a lot of the
republican members can go. if you look at what else happened and what we have not been able to talk about, we have had great economic news in youth unemployment, in retail sales, in productivity. instead of things about looking tough and speaking to your base, this great economic news and the trump administration, to be clear, has a lot of great economic news that it can talk about, that speaks to the public. that's what republican candidates want to be talking about. it's the message they want to drive home, especially when we come out of labor day in the final weeks of the campaign, they would rather talk about this than a he said she said with omarosa or he said he said with brennan and donald trump. >> there's another tape. i'm not going to play it in the interest of time. >> thank you. >> there are 200 according to "the new york times." so buckle up. who knows. jackie, there's another one. it's a conversation with lara trump about whether she would come on the campaign or not after she was fired from the white house. a warning like, you wouldn't be able to say anything negative
about the whipresident and the white house. what would be best strategy for the white house if there are 200 tapes and they keep dripping out? is it to -- i don't know that this is a white house or president who can ignore. >> that's the thing. in theory, it would be to ignore her. i think it might be too late for that. the president can't help himself but engage. remember, two days ago, three days ago, the president was advised to ignore the book coming out, not to weigh into this. he can't help himself. i guess we just have to buckle up and see. maybe he will ignore some of them, if there are 200. this is causing chaos, because the -- people in the white house don't know who is on tape. that in and of itself is really -- is causing unrest. >> didn't he teach her this? is this not the lesson of how to be a brilliant media strategist? >> oh, yeah.
she's a product of the trump organization, of the art of the deal. everything that goes into it. she's beating him at his own game right now. she's a huge distraction for the white house. >> before you guys go, doug, i want your take on something that the rnc did overnight, because you used to run communications for the rnc. whoever has your job -- >> ryan mahoney, he's a very good guy. >> i want to know what you think of this strategy. that is to compare alexandra ocasio-cortez, a 28-year-old latino, who is a democratic socialist, but they compared her to the dictator in venezuela and put out an e-mail saying she's a -- this is comparing her to someone who has human rights
abuse allegations, torture allegations. a bridge too far? would you have done it? >> i wouldn't have. the hard problem is when you are doing a lot of negative attacks, which is a big part of what the job at the rnc is. it was true when i was there. it's true for my predecessors and people who could come after. it's very easy to take that one step too far than you would. i would say, aoc does not need help from the rnc or any other organizations in bringing national publicity to herself. she does that very badly or well depending on your perspective. let her rise or fall on her own merits. >> thank you. nice to have you both. right now, the jury in paul manafort's trial is deliberating. this is under way for a second straight day. yesterday, jurors had some very interesting questions for the judge. we will walk you through those and take you live outside the courthouse. president trump's military parade was supposed to happen this year. now it's not. why was it canceled? who canceled it? also, not only was aretha
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we do have breaking news now out of turkey regarding an american citizen. a turkish court rejected an appeal from the american pastor andrew brunson who has been held there since 2016. an appeal to return from house arrest. brunson has been held there for two years accused of helping plot an overthrow of the turkish president. his arrest is at the heart of the dispute between the u.s. and turkey that has been escalating by the day. the trump white house levied
tariffs on turkey, threatening turkey more and more with more sanctions if they don't let brunson go. they say the aellegations are unfounded. the turkish court rejecting that appeal. the jury in manafort's case has started its second day of deliberations. the jury yesterday sent a note to the judge with four really interesting questions. perhaps the most interesting, define for us reasonable doubt. let's go outside the courthouse. jessica schneider is with me. how did the judge define reasonable doubt for them? >> reporter: that was the one question that the judge actually answered out of the four. the judge put it this way. he said, reasonable doubt, it's not beyond all possible doubt. you could have a little bit of doubt. it's just beyond reasonable doubt. whether or not that explanation was sufficient for the jury, who knows. but they are back deliberating. they started at 9:40 this morning. that question as to reasonable
doubt, it really goes to the heart of this case and any case for prosecutors. prosecutors have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. the defense team, they spoke after the proceedings yesterday outside the courtroom. they said that they were very pleased with these questions from the jury. that could be because they started off their closing argument stressing to the jury what high burden reasonable doubt actually is. they are probably pleased that the jury is asking this question, wondering how much doubt is too much doubt to convict. maybe wondering how much doubt they can have and still convict. this question kind of making us all wonder, what is the jury thinking, poppy. >> everyone is wondering that this morning. before you go, let me get you on this. there were a lot of moments during this trial when there were bench conferences. the lawyers from both sides went up to the bench to talk to the judge privately. they turn on this sound machine so the jurors can't hear what they are talking about.
news organizations are fighting to have those unsealed. something is going to happen on that this afternoon. what is it in. >> reporter: that's right. the jury is still deliberating. there will be a hearing at 2:00 p.m. a lot of the news organizations want to unseal the transcripts about the bench conferences that happened in secret. we will hear what the judge might unseal. it's important to note on friday, there were five hours of secret proceedings. everyone wondered what was going on between prosecutors, defense and the judge. if these were unsealed, we might finally know what happened in those five hours, particularly interesting, poppy, the judge said today when he announced this 2:00 p.m. hearing, he put it this way. he said, a thirsty press is essential in a free country. of course, this is a judge that has been very outspoken throughout this trial and really quite a contrast from what we heard from the president who constantly calls fake news. this judge saying, the press
needs to know and we will have this hearing at 2:00 p.m. today to see what they will know in unsealing some of the transcripts. >> there you go. thanks for the reporting. paul callen is with me, our legal analyst. five hours plus, that was just one day. so many hours of this basically secret conversation between the two sides and the judge. it sounds like he will release this to the public. if it were not released, would mueller's team be privy to that? would they get it? is the only way they get it if the public gets it? >> they get it in the sense that one of their attorneys was there for the hearing. >> but they don't have the transcript. >> but you can be sure the lawyers made detailed notes about it when they stepped out of the conference. that's a very lengthy conference to stay secret in the course of a trial. occasionally, you approach the bench. you have a short argument about a motion and then you return. this suggests something very serious and probably confidential information that
mueller's team doesn't want released. >> back to the jury deliberations. we know that the defense feels good right now. they came out and they told the cnn cameras, this is good news, the jury came back with these four questions. do you see it that way? is it good news for manafort? >> when i was a prosecutor, the two words that frightened me the most were reasonable doubt, because defense attorneys always say, there's reasonable doubt all over the case. when the jury comes back and says, could you define reasonable doubt again, judge, you know that they are focused on that. however, i would issue this warning. when you see jurors ask questions, sometimes, it doesn't always mean that the whole jury is interested in this. a lot of times it means there are one or two holdout jurors and the majority of jurors are saying, all right, let's have the judge tell you what reasonable doubt is. you are wrong on it. it's hard to read these tea leaves. they are good questions for the defense overall, because it wasn't only reasonable doubt, they also asked for a definition
of what a shelf company is. >> i would like a definition, too. this is about the banking in cyprus and the companies and how this all works. >> these charges are really complicated charges. the shelf companies are companies that you form a company, but you don't do anything with it. you put it on the shelf for when you might need it. then you activate the company as was done here and run money through it. the prosecutors are saying this is part of a scheme to avoid payment of income taxes through the use of shell companies -- shelf companies. that's a good question for the prosecutors. the other question that was asked which is one they will be happy with, they wanted the exhibits sent in to the jury room. why is that important? remember at the beginning of the trial, they were showing pictures of the ostrich coach a and -- >> the judge said, no. if they ask for them, we will
send them in. for the first time, they will see the $21,000 watch and all of the other things that are kind of simple demonstrations of, where did he get this money and did he report it all? that makes a tax case very simple, because it turns it into a lifestyle case. >> it's not illegal to have an ostrich coat. how did you buy it could be. >> thank you. up next, john brennan was the first to get his security clearance pulled by the president. he may be far from the last. it appears the president may just be getting started. -here comes the rain. [ horn honking ] [ engine revving ] what's that, girl? [ engine revving ] flo needs help?! [ engine revving ] take me to her! ♪ coming, flo!
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comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. this morning, we learned the president very well may strip more former national security leaders of their security clearance, could be as soon as today, this is despite criticism after he yanked clear answer fr -- clearance from brennan. good to have you, senator. let's begin with this. your colleague in congress in the senate, lyindsey graham, he argues, this was justified for the president to strip brennan because of this. listen. >> he reached a conclusion on collusion that i haven't reached. he is using the ora of his past
job in a political way that i think is unsavory. >> he is talking about "the new york times" op-ed from brennan where he said, you know, of course there was collusion on the part of the trump team. how do you see it? >> first, senator graham is wrong. he has his time line wrong. the president stripped the security clearance and then john brennan said, i believe that there was collusion. look, this points to at least two larger issues. i respect senator graham. i have always admired the fact that he takes -- i don't agree with him on a lot of things, but he takes an independent view of things. he has become part of the cult of personality which are these republicans who are supporting a president that not just democrats, not just most americans, not just women, but as you know so famously yesterday admiral william mcraven, commander of the seal unit says is unfit to be president. you have a republican senator
lining up in this cult of personality to defend the indefensible, which is using the tools of our national security clearances to get back at people who say things that you don't like. this is right out of the nixon playbook. >> on another note, senator rand paul -- i'm sure you saw -- took this trip to moscow. he has come back and he said that he wants president trump to take some of the russian lawmakers that are sanctioned and not allowed to come into the country off that list, because he says our biggest problem -- this is a quote, our biggest problem is no dialogue. is that a good idea to remove some of the russians to allow them to come to this country to talk? >> you know, poppy, it's almost the same answer to your previous question, which is how did our politics get upside down to a point where the right, the republican party, which for generations has stood up against autocracy and dictators and
russia and communism, is now doing all they can to try to soften what should be a very clear message to russia? no, the answer is not how can we take people off lists, how can we better get along. you don't get to use chemical weapons against people you don't like in the united kingdom. you don't get to kill journalists, mess with our elections. >> to be clear, rand paul is on an island with this request. there are plenty of republicans in the house and in senate who have been proponents of and voted for legislation to really slap russia for their actions. that aside, let's talk about your party. quick yes or no answer and then i want to dig deeper. you know there are a number -- growing number of democrats, some running, that say nancy pelosi does not represent the future of the party, should not be house speaker if dems retake the house. should nancy pelosi be speaker? >> you know, that's not my decision. that's going to be one roll
rollicking fight we have after we take the majority in november. >> what's your take for you? >> i have not made up a decision, because i don't know who is running. you are not getting a yes or no out of me today. i will tell you though -- >> let me move on to this. she has -- she's really good at raising money. look at the numbers that came out this week. she has raised an eye-popping $83 million for the dccc for 2018 for the election cycle. that's double the next closest democrat. i wonder if you think those that outright say she should not be in leadership, she doesn't represent the party, maybe she's worth more to the party, do you think, than they might see? >> poppy, far more than her ability to raise money is her operational capability, especially now. i have watched a bunch of speakers in the house in my short congressional career. i have seen three of them.
john boehner was incapable of controlling his party. paul ryan, incapable of controlling his party. nancy pelosi did the impossible. she took a rollicking caucus that included all sorts of people from all over the country, south, north, white, black, poor, rich, and got the affordable care act passed, got dodd-frank passed. her historical accomplishments in terms of her ability to get stuff done is without parallel. >> is leadership -- that sounds like a yes to me. i will let you come to that another time. is leadership -- congressman, is democratic leadership in the house too old and too white? >> well, poppy, look, having said that i am a huge admirer of nancy pelosi's operational ability, the fact that our top three leaders are in their late 70s -- i don't care who those leaders are -- that's a problem. it's a problem because, of
course, we are at a moment in time where young people are involved as they never have been before. these are the parkland students getting young people involved. i don't care how good you are, there's a generational gap. again, you can ask me for an answer for what happens four months from now. very clearly, soon, the democratic party is going to need to get some faces and some people who can speak to people in their 40s to people in their 20s. no doubt about it. >> but -- but to that point, it is some of those young candidates who have led -- at least started the abolish ice momentum here. there's a lot of momentum. you have a lot of democrats in the senate and the house who have jumped on board. you have a warning for them. you say, you have now made life harder for the 60 or 70 democrats fighting in districts we need to win if we ever want
to be in the majority again. do you think abolish ice, for example, leaning what sounds like too far to the left in your opinion could cost your party control of the house? >> my message, poppy -- i tried to be very clear on this -- is that in 2018, our mission is very clear. we're not trying to elect a president of the united states. we're trying to win the house of representatives. that means we're going to need to win queens. we will need to win districts in places like western pennsylvania, in ohio, virginia, where quite frankly, i don't think that abolish ice plays as well as it plays in queens. if that works for her in queens, fine. do what you need to do in your district. what i'm warning against is let's not have purity tests where we assume that a message that works in one of the bluest districts in the country is necessarily going to work for connor lamb in western pennsylvania or people running out west. give people the room to say yes
or no to different ideas in their districts that allow them to win. >> it's nice to have you, congressman. thank you for being with me. >> thanks, poppy. coming up, see how the queen of soul used her voice to help empower and inspire the civil rights movement. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop with free 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes. start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. like these for only a 25 cents at office depot officemax. when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey! oh, that's my robe. is it? when you switch to liberty mutual, you could save $782 on auto and home insurance.
in detroit was also an integral part of the civil rights movement. watch this. >> when dr. king came out in the early days of selma and rosa parks, i told him that i wanted to go out and travel with him and sing for him. because i had sung for my dad and i liked to sing for dr. king and what he is trying to do here. i appreciated what he was trying to do, bring people together. certainly, get parody in some way and to lighten up the discrimination and give people a chance to make a dollar. so my dad said, if that was what i wanted to do, it was okay. >> civil rights activist, former naacp chair merli stanford.
>> i knew her. we shared the shame spirit in terms of justice and equality and excellence. she was a hero of mine, if you will. brave woman who took it upon herself to take a stance for justice and equality. she paid a price for it somewhere along the way. but never, never did she cease her efforts to try to see that people of all races, creed and color were shown as who they
were, human beings with opportunities to achieve and to enjoy the promise of america, a very strong, a very brave woman. we just miss her terribly. she's leaving so much in terms of her music and her memories and the gifts that she made over the years. >> she really is. i was struck in reading all of the tributes to her this morning. the last paragraph of the "new york times" piece on her, which by the way, as it should, spanned three pages in the actual newspaper, here is what it reads. quote, despite the world's bereavement over her death, it is possible that we have taken her for granted, in failing her make her president, a saint or her own country, we still might not have paid her enough respect. just a little bit. what do you think?
>> i think that's true. the word respect is enormous and it really captures what aretha franklin was and what she did and what i think will carry forth into generations yet to come. the word respect is so strong and so dynamic. it was very important during that time of the height of the civil rights movement. but if we look at what is happening today, that word, that song still speaks to so many things, not only in terms of civil rights, weapomen's rights all of the issues that america is facing today. aretha franklin was one in millions. her songs, her words, her deeds, how she gave of herself in
carrying forth those things that she believed in and that she believed in america, that she believed in her own people. that will never, ever leave us. it will never leave us. i think of the times that she worked endlessly to help support an organization that i also was at the helm of for a while, the naacp. there were times when people said, aretha, you need to be just a little bit more different, a little more sophisticated. and she said, i am who i am, accept me or not. people loved her for that. i believe the song that she sang, "respect," will be one that will be carried out throughout the ages. >> what was the aretha franklin soundtrack to your life?
what song is it? >> i think perhaps "respect." i loved awful h ed all of her s. it gave momentum to live, it gave momentum to justice. she sang from her heart. there were challenges to america, challenges to people, challenges to women. she supported all of those efforts. i think she will be remembered forever for those things and her teachings and her songs and in her words. aretha franklin lives, and she will continue to do so. there will be young woman particularly who will continue to follow her. there were times when aretha was not looked upon as well as she should have been, particularly when african-american women were struggling so hard to be
recognized in terms of dress and performance and all of this. she stood up for who she was and what she believed in. she helped in the naacp, which at one time i was the head of that. she was there to help us financially. she was there to help us in other ways. i recall meeting her again at dr. king's funeral. she was an activist and a strong one at that. >> she was. we are all thankful to her. i would be remiss not to say how thankful we are to you and to your late husband for all you did to fight and have done and do today, you, for civil rights. thank you. >> thank you. >> i appreciate you being with me. >> i appreciate that. >> we'll be right back. the first person to survive alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy,
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the parents of the university of maryland football player who died are speaking out this morning saying the team's coach never should be allowed to coach again. let's go to andy scholes. he has more. >> the 19-year-old died in june, 15 days after suffering a heatstroke after a grueling football practice. maryland's school president came out and said the school was taking legal and moral responsibility for the death, apologizing to his parents. this morning his parents say the head coach should be fired. >> initially, you need to get rid of the head coach. he needs to be terminated. he needs to resign. there's no way that as a parent
you send your child into an environment where your child will get bullied, knowingly. if we had in idea that that would be the case, we would have made another decision. >> durkin is on administrative leave while the school continues its investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death. espn reported that maryland's football program had a toxic culture detailing allegations of verbal abuse, bullying and a disregard for the players' well-being. durkin has not commented on the report since being put on leave. the parents have started the jordan mcnair foundation. their goal is to promote awareness and educate about heat-related illnesses. the denver broncos are in the market for a backup quarterback. they won't seen kaepernick. he tried to sign him before and
it didn't work out. >> we offered him a contract. he didn't take it. as i said at my deposition -- i don't know if i'm legally able to say this -- he had his chance to be here. he passed it. >> nthey tried to trade for cappcap capper kaepernick before the 2016 season. he remained with the 49ers. kaepernick has not received a contract offer since he started that >> his skills would show he is among the 90 best quarterbacks out there right now. thanks, my friend. quick break. i'll be right back.
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by the catholic church in pennsylvania. pressure has been building for the pope to say something. the vatican has come out now and said this. the abuses described are criminal and morally reprehensible. those acts were betrayals of trust that robbed survivors of their dignity and their faith. the pennsylvania attorney general says he appreciates the remorse but hopes the church will embrace the recommendations. president trump has canceled plans for a military parade on veteran's day this year and blasted city officials in washington for the cost estimate here. millions and millions of dollars. in a series of tweets the president said that was very, very high, ridiculously high the cost and blamed leaders in washington. in a heated response the mayor of washington sent out a tweet saying the district estimates the parade will cost the city just about $22 million. the pentagon says it will
consider whether or not to have a parade next year. stay tuned. i will see you back here monday. "at this hour" with indicate bau kate bolduan starts now. hello. we are following breaking news at this house. president trump is on his way out from the white house and he is stopping by to speak with reporters as he goes. the tape playing back will be coming in any moment. we will bring it to you as soon as it comes. there are a lot of questions facing the president this morning. let's discuss right now with abby philip. actually, let's go straight to the president walking over to
reporters as he was heading over to marine one. let's listen in. >> we're going to new york. we're going to new jersey for work. it's going to be all work. i think you see what's happened. the economy is maybe better than it has ever been. the numbers are coming out the best they have ever had. we just came out with youth
numbers. they have been just fantastic. off the chart. we're very happy about that. i think for that reason, i think in november we are going to do extremely well, extremely well. i'd like to see twice, but we're going to see. this took place when i had, as you know, the world's top executives among the world's top executives and the head of pepsi-cola, a great woman who is now retiring. she said -- i asked, what could we do to make it better? she said, two times a year reporting, not quarterly. i thought of it. it made sense to me. you know, we are not thinking far enough out. we have been accused of that for a long time, this country. we are looking at that very, very seriously. we are looking at twice a year instead of four times a year. i don't know mcraven. i know i have