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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. you want to pay attention to this hour. we've got a lot going on. it's 11:00 p.m. on the east coast. we're live with breaking news tonight. a source tells cnn that white house staffers are stunned by today's news. the men who led the president's campaign for five critical months leading up to the election found guilty in federal court. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort guilty of eight financial crime charges. a victory for robert mueller in the first trial to come out of his investigation. while the president continues to push the lie that the case against manafort wasn't part of the special counsel's original mission, i want you to look at what the trump appointed acting attorney general wrote. mueller is authorized to investigate any links and/or coordination between the russian
government and individuals associated with the campaign of president donald trump. plus, any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation. so, there you have it. prosecutors laid out reams of evidence highlighting how manafort made millions advising ukrainian politicians, pushing pro-russia policies. and then there is the other huge legal story tonight. president trump's one-time personal attorney admitting in federal court today his role in paying for the silence of an ex-play boy model and model with alleged fares with the president. michael cohen not only copped to his part, but implicated the president as well. saying he broke campaign finance laws, quote, in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office. so, let that sink in. a man who once said he would take a bullet for donald trump
now says he broke a federal law with the same man, donald trump, with the president. a white house source telling cnn that was not -- this was not a good day for the home team, and that trump has been stewing all day. let's bring in now michael cohen's attorney lanny davis. thank you for joining us this evening. first off, have you spoken to michael? >> yes. >> how is he doing, what does he say? >> a combination of relief, suffering for his family, his children, the life he's been forced to lead with the cloud of doubt facing a criminal prosecution. but there is also a liberation in michael's voice. this is a man with a very big heart, who loves his family, lochl loves his country and has been unable to speak because of this cloud after the massive search warrant was executed, including
even his children's telephones. well, now he has stepped up to the line and he can now speak again and he feels liberated. >> how far is he willing to go? because i just want to ask because, you know, for years he's been saying, i will protect this president. i'm very loyal to donald trump. i'm not going to flip on him. i would never hurt him. and now we've come to this. >> when i first spoke to michael cohen and took several weeks for the two of us to get to know each other on the phone before we ever met, we talked very intensely about what caused him to change his mind about donald trump. and the only way to put it -- it may sound a little bit syrupy -- was patriotism and love of country caused him to recognize president and his lack of lar -
suitability to be president of the united states and his decision, as he said to me late one night, to hit the reset button on his life and his previous loyalty to such a man that he considered, especially after helsinki, to be a danger to our country as president of the united states. >> okay. so do you know what giuliani has been saying, right? he's a liar, this is nothing more than just a series of lies. he's been lying forever. liar, liar, liar, liar. what do you say to that? >> the man who said truth is not truth? the man who actually takes away any dispute of fact that donald trump committed a crime when he directed my client, michael cohen, to pay the money to miss daniels, it was rudy giuliani who broke the attorney/client
privilege contradicted president trump's lie on air force one who said, mr. trump reimbursed michael cohen for the advance money paid to miss daniels to keep her quiet. that is rudy giuliani saying that donald trump knew, directed and paid michael cohen. >> there is no allegation of any wrongdoing against the president in the government charges against mr. cohen. this is giuliani speaking here. it is clear that as the prosecutor noted, mr. cohen's actions reflect a pattern of lies and dishonesty over a significant period of time. lanny? >> let me repeat. i am talking about a fact not in dispute. mr. trump's attorney submitted a letter published to the special counsel in which they said mr. trump directed mr. cohen to make this payment.
whatever giuliani wants to invent, that truth isn't truth, or to say what's on the tape that isn't on the tape so i went on this cnn network and said, don't believe me, listen to the tape, giuliani doesn't know the difference between a lie and a fact. but here he's caught in his own words. he said that mr. trump lied to the press when he denied knowing about the stormy daniels payment, and giuliani said and his lawyer said that mr. trump knew and directed mr. cohen, as mr. cohen said under oath today in federal district court. so there is no doubt that donald trump committed a crime. and more than that, a cover up of the crime because he did not want to write the check to stormy daniels, which mr. giuliani admitted he directed mr. cohen to do. why didn't donald trump write the check himself, don? >> this is all -- >> because he covered up what he
knew was wrongdoing. that's why. >> this is all going to come down to proof. people are going to say where are the receipts? where are the receipts that michael cohen has? and, you know, i was speaking to chris earlier. chris said he has no reason to lie. it doesn't behoove him to lie because then he's in more trouble than he's already in. does he have the proof? does he have the receipts? >> so, first of all, yes, the wire transfer from the trump corporation to the account that michael cohen set up that then went to stormy daniels is recognizable and provable. but let me repeat, the proof is president trump's own lawyers wrote the special counsel and used the word "directed." there doesn't need to be proof when the lawyers have acknowledged that the client directed michael cohen to make an illegal payment, making the
client as guilty certainly as the lawyer. and in my judgment, more guilty because he was trying to cover up and hide his own role in the situation with miss daniels by having mr. cohen do the deed rather than himself. so there is no dispute. there is no need for proof. his lawyers have admitted that fact. >> listen, everyone knew that the president knew. when he got aboard air force one and said, everyone knew. okay, we know. he knew about this payment. you say michael cohen has information, lanny, that should be of interest to the special counsel and he's more than happy to tell mueller all that he knows. does this mean that cohen will say what cnn reported a month ago, that cohen told friends trump knew of the trump tower meeting ahead of time? >> so, there are certain things that an attorney and a client share that i can't divulge, unlike rudy giuliani who waived
attorney/client privilege when he spoke about what donald trump told him. i'm not allow today do that. there is a certain complication in that story that we were never able to correct, but i do -- to answer your question, no, that michael cohen has information that would be of interest to mr. mueller in his probe of a conspiracy to corrupt american democracy very similar to the indictment of the 12 russians i believe that mr. cohen would be able to provide information useful to the special counsel. i won't call it smoking gun information, somebody else will have to judge that, but i believe that he does have relevant information. >> so he has relevant information. do you think that information pertains to that trump tower meeting or could it pertain to that trump tower meeting? >> it pertains to something else that i can't divulge right now,
but i believe that it would be of interest to mr. mueller in his probe of the russian -- the conspiracy to collude as well as actual knowledge of a crime that most people would call the fbi about. and we'll see what develops with mr. mueller's investigation. i think he knows a lot more than we think he knows. >> so, lanny, let me ask you this. if michael has all of this stuff as you say and there is no reason to believe he doesn't, then why would the president and the president's team, the administration, work as hard almost every day to throw michael cohen under the bus, under the bus and keep backing up over him, or as one of our analysts here, laura coats said, you know, on air force one, throwing him under air force one? why would he do that? or they do that? >> it's impossible to understand rudy giuliani's conduct. truth is not truth.
throwing a client under the bus by admitting essentially we now know a crime, by saying he reimbursed a campaign contribution that was above the limits. and then didn't disclose it in his 2019 -- '18 report. so, rudy giuliani simply doesn't understand the law or doesn't care about the law, and this particular culture of lying, we know it was rudy giuliani who said that when donald trump lied to the press on air force one -- you've done that clip, i've seen -- it's not a crime to lie to the american people. well, giuliani is right about that. but it is an impeachable offense to use the office of the president to abuse the powers of the presidency and lie to the american people. >> i'm not going to monopolize your time. i'm not going to hold you too much longer. but again, you say michael cohen has information that does what as it relates to conspiracy and
collusion? >> i think it would be of interest to mr. mueller and i don't want to go any further than that. >> okay. >> mr. mueller, in a book about to come out in paper back version i wrote, i liken mr. mueller to a silent deadly submarine under the surface leak proof, with the fuel energized by one thing, facts, facts, something that rudy giuliani doesn't think exists and that donald trump literally doesn't care when he ignores. and we'll see what mr. mueller comes up with, but i do believe that michael cohen will tell the truth to rudy giuliani and will tell the truth about donald trump. >> appreciate your time. lanny davis. thank you very much. when we come back, stormy daniels's attorney says the president's fingerprints are all over michael cohen and campaign
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naturally beautiful results®. president trump's former fixer and long-time attorney michael cohen pleading guilty to eight criminal counts including campaign finance violations, two payments he made or helped orchestrate to silence stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. donald trump directed him to make those payments. here to discuss, michael avenatti. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> you say you believe lanny davis dropped a bombshell. explain. >> i was watching that interview and lanny davis just made an admission that has never been made before, it's the first i've ever heard of this. lanny davis just stated on your show moments ago, you asked him about receipts, you asked if michael cohen had receipts, related to the stormy daniels payment vis-a-vis donald trump's involvement and lanny davis just
stated that there was a wire transfer from the trump organization directly into the account that michael cohen had established -- this was the essential consultants account -- in order to pay my client the $130,000 payment. now, if that, in fact, is true, that is a huge problem for the president because it would be direct conduct by the trump organization to reimburse that payment. that would constitute campaign finance violation and would basically make donald trump aiko conspirator, no question about that. and i'll also add that that is directly contrary to what rudy giuliani told sean hannity a few months ago because what rudy giuliani told sean hannity was that the payment was reimbursed by way of invoices or i think he said laundered or used a similar word when describing how the $130,000 was reimbursed. so if lanny davis is correct, what he just stated to you that,
in fact -- >> funneled. you spoke about t. >> we did. we talked about the fact that was an interesting word to use, right? well, if, in fact, there was $130,000 payment that went out to my client, which we know there was, and then there was $130,000 wire that came in directly into that account from the trump organization, the president's in a lot of trouble. >> how so? explain. >> well, because i think it's an open and shut case relating to the fact that this $130,000 payment was paid by michael cohen with the understanding that he was going to be reimbursed directly by donald trump or the trump organization. that would have had to have been disclosed. >> another part of the interview i said -- i followed up -- okay. this is not verbatim, right. this is just notes. some things that i can't divulge, attorney/client privilege. he said certain dcomplications e are unable to correct.
michael cohen has information that would be of interest to mr. mueller, he said, okay, and again this is paraphrasing here. he said i won't call it a smoking gun information. someone would have to characterize it, but he does have information that would be of interest and it pertains to a crime most people would call the fbi about. >> well, don, i think the biggest problem right now for donald trump is that he has lost control. he's lost control over manafort. he's lost control over cohen. these two individuals now are going to be looking to do whatever they can to cut their own criminal sentences, to protect their families, and there is not a lot that donald trump is going to be able to do about it. i will just tell you, though, if there is a wire transfer receipt for a $130,000 payment from the trump organization, that is nothing short of a bombshell. i do want to say one thing, though. and i respect lanny, but i disagree with him about, you know, what we just heard in the following regard because i think it's complete nonsense and spin. michael cohen did not all of a sudden find love of country and
did not all of a sudden became -- become a patriot. did not all of a sudden conclude after having known donald trump for 12 or 15 years that donald trump would not make a good president. here's what happened. michael cohen realized he was dead to rice. he was in the crosshairs. whatever metaphor you want to use, as it relates to prosecutors from the southern district of new york. michael cohen took the steps he has taken for no other reason to save himself and his family. let's be clear about that. let's not try to call it anything other than what it is. just so everyone understands what happened, this isn't about love of country or patriotism. in fact, michael cohen waited until the last possible moment. you've witnessed it over the last five months. the american people have witnessed it. he's been practically begging for donald trump to lead him out of the dark forest for months now. it became clear it wasn't going to happen. >> you think he was waiting on some help from the president? >> no question. i think he was waiting for air cover and loyalty, it never developed. >> it is a lengthy sound bite.
this is what you were referring to earlier as it comes to that wire -- alleged wire transfer if that is indeed what happened. watch this. >> does he have the proof? does he have the receipts? >> so, first of all, yes. the wire transfer from the trump corporation to the account that michael cohen set up that then went to stormy daniels is recognizable and provable. but let me repeat. the proof is president trump's own lawyers wrote the special counsel and used the word "directed." there doesn't need to be proof when the lawyers have acknowledged that the client directed michael cohen to make an illegal payment, making the client as guilty, certainly, as the lawyer. and in my judgment, more guilty because he was trying to cover up and hide his own role in the situation with miss daniels by having mr. cohen do the deed
rather than himself. so there is no dispute. there is no need for proof. his lawyers have admitted that fact. >> that's good. so, the first part of that, you say what? >> that's a bombshell. if what lanny davis just stated is true, there's a $130,000 wire transfer directly into that bank account that was used to pay my client and that is a direct reimbursement from donald trump or a company controlled by him, which is what lanny davis just said, that is a stunning piece of evidence and a stunning admission and it runs directly counter to what rudy giuliani has said and it also, it also runs directly counter to david schwartz. i don't know if some of your viewers remember that guy that showed up early on -- >> he used to defend cohen. >> used to defend michael cohen. you'll recall all the things david schwartz told the american people that have proved to be absolutely false. >> okay. so, you've made a lot of predictions and a lot of them have come true. i'm just wondering what this means -- and i'll get to that,
the one important one i want to talk about. what does this amelia draper for yo -- mean for your case? does this mean you will possibly get to depose a sitting president? what are the chances that of? >> i think the likelihood of us being able to depose first michael cohen and second donald trump, i think those odds went through the roof today as a result of this plea, as a result of the language in the plea and the facts that michael cohen pled to. i think there's little question as to whether we're going to get a deposition of michael cohen and i'm going to be permitted to ask him specific questions about what happened and the level of communications and i'm going to get to the details relating to that. and then i am guessing -- i'm not guessing, i'm speculating and i think i'm on solid ground, i think i'm going to get a deposition of the president of the united states. >> you said you have zero doubt michael cohen is cooperating and has been cooperating with the investigators. do you mean the southern district or the special counsel? >> the southern district. it doesn't sound like he has
cooperated with the special counsel. >> i don't think they have offered him the queen for a day thing, you know, according to a source that i know that has not been put on the table, the queen for a day to talk to the special counsel. you also have said that you think that this president will resign before his term is -- what is your proof? what's the indication of that? how do you feel about that now? >> well, i said that a number of months ago. i feel even more strongly about that statement today in light of what happened with paul manafort and with michael cohen. i think the walls are closing in on the president. i don't think he's going to serve out his term. i want to be clear about something. there's a lot of things that have to happen. it's a very dynamic situation. we don't know what the southern district of new york is going to do with the information that is provided by michael cohen, but i stand on that prediction. >> i've got to run but i want to ask you because rudy giuliani tweeted today, he said buckle up buttercup you and your client completely misplayed this. >> yeah, i tweeted that out because i meant it. >> you tweeted that about rudy
giuliani. sorry about that. >> to rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani is an absolute walking disaster of an attorney. he's destroyed his legacy. he's done a disservice to himself and his client. and i mean, he's basically committed legal malpractice in the way they've handled this. look, donald trump should have brought michael cohen into the tent a long time ago when he, when he went to -- >> i asked lanny that question. why did he keep him and giuliani and the whole administration keep throwing michael cohen under the bus? >> because they don't understand the sense of loyalty unless your last name is putin. then they understand loyalty. >> your client stormy daniels tweeted this. this is the last thing i've got. how do you like me now? #team stormy. how big of a day is this for your case? >> it's a huge day. she's ecstatic. she feels vindicated. there were a lot of pundits that took shots at her and our strategy. how we used the media. as of today it looks okay. >> all the reporting we were
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so tonight president trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort facing the possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison, convicted on eight counts of tax and bank fraud. judge declaring a mistrial on ten other counts. also michael cohen pleading guilty to eight counts today as well. i want to bring in now cnn legal analyst, a former federal prosecutor and a rib a martin, the author of make it rain. good evening to both of you. ariba, you have heard lanny davis. >> hi, don. >> lanny davis said he believes michael cohen has information that the special counsel would be interested in. michael avenatti says he believes that lanny davis laid a bombshell tonight, dropped a bombshell when he talked about the possibility of record -- of a wire transfer from the trump organization. what do you make of this? >> well, don, there's a popular saying. justice rides a slow horse but she eventually gets there. and i would say today she got
there. just overwhelming news on the legal front for the trump team. what happened with paul manafort in terms of eight counts where he's found guilty of bank fraud and tax evasion, and now michael cohen, the long-time fixer and personal lawyer for the president pleading guilty to eight counts, two of which directly involve the president of the united states. clearly an unprecedented day for the government, for the president. shocking i think revelation by lanny davis that this isn't over. when i looked at that interview, what it said to me is we've got a long way to go, and more shoes are going to drop. now, whether mueller decides that he can indict a sitting president, we know that that's up for debate, but clearly enough information has come out today just from what we saw michael cohen plead to in federal court to suggest that there is a case that can be made against donald trump for criminal activity and it's so --
it's so ironic, don, that donald trump said during the campaign that hillary clinton would be the most scandal-ridden president in the history of this country and now we have donald trump, his campaign advisor, his long time personal lawyer, his fixer, both -- one pled guilty and one convicted of felonies. unprecedented. >> uh-huh, and then this mueller case -- let's see, one sentence, five guilty pleas. one person found guilty, 35 defendants, 191 criminal charges. there it is up on the screen. manato, what do you think? >> i will tell you, don, my mouth dropped when i saw that michael cohen went into federal court and under oath said that he was directed by donald trump to commit a crime. i mean, that is serious. the folks at home don't need any of us to tell them that is a very big deal. when you are direct someone to
commit a crime, you are guilty of that crime whether you are a mob boss or a drug dealer or something else. you are guilty. >> does that make him a coconspirator, renato? >> when you are telling somebody to do something at your direction, you are responsible for that crime. whether he agreed to do it with cohen, that's one way of looking at it. another way is that he actually is responsible for the crime as cohen was his agent. either way, if cohen is telling the truth, donald trump has committed a felony period full stop. that is very, very serious business. there is no way to explain that away as a witch-hunt. this isn't the mueller team doing this. this is a bunch of prosecutors, federal prosecutors doing their job in new york. this isn't about collusion. there's no discussion one way or the other about collusion or the dossier or any of that other nonsense we've been hearing on fox news or the president seemed
to talk about. this is a federal crime and the president's own former lawyer is the one who says he did it under oath. >> wouldn't it be interesting, ariba, you can say whatever you want after this. despite -- whatever comes out of the mueller investigation, let's put that aside. but if what comes out of something that mueller actually referred to the southern district is the thing that trips this president up the most? >> that would be incredibly interesting, don. i don't want to put the mueller investigation aside. i think we should -- >> i mean just for that. just for that. >> i think that would be amazing. but i think it's important for us to note, this is a president that has ridiculed, has taken pot shots at the mueller investigation, has called it a witch-hunt, a hoax, has tried to demean it in the most aggressive way possible. and to date, out of that mueller investigation came the referral to the southern district of new york which led to michael cohen walking into that federal court pleading guilty to those eight
counts. so, trump can no longer try to dee legitimatize the mueller investigation because it's clear today that mueller and his team know what they're doing. they're experts. and they are getting at the bottom of what happened. not just with donald trump, but other people in his orbit. and it says to me today, too, jared kushner, donald trump, jr., other individuals that are in that personal circle of donald trump, we may be hearing something from the special counsel and his team of investigators as it relates to those individuals as well. i don't think they are out of the clear by a long shot. >> fascinating. ariba, renato, i appreciate your time. when we come back bhoegt the president's former campaign chairman and his personal attorney headed to prison. that makes five members of trump's circle who have been convicted of or pled guilty to crimes. what happened to trump's law and order presidency? what happened?
the president's former fixer michael cohen pleads guilty to eight criminal counts the same day the trump campaign chairman paul manafort is convicted of eight financial crimes. remember when donald trump said he was the law and order candidate? joining me now to discuss the cnn political commentator mike shields, former chief of staff to reince priebus at the rnc and republican strategist rick wilson the author of the book everything trump touches dies. gentlemen, good evening. so, mike, sources are telling us white house sources were stunned and rattled by these legal bombshells and the president has been stewing. what's your reaction to what we saw today? >> well, it's obviously not good. you don't want your lawyer to be pleading guilty and also to try and implicate you as he's trying to plead himself out of the sentence that he has or that his wife might get into trouble. i thought it was really
interesting watching michael avenatti disagree with lanny davis on his motives. lanny davis was ascribing michael cohen's motives being patriotism. michael avenatti said it's not patriotism, he's trying to save himself because he's in trouble. that's a really interesting take because it puts in perspective when one admits to being a criminal, a lot of the things they say are really at that point self-serving. obviously, you know, this is something that has to be proven before anyone can reach conclusions. and so the tease was a law and order president. the president ran on that because someone committed a murder. he hasn't been convicted of anything or been found guilty of anything. someone is going to jail accusing him of something. >> what do you think, rick? >> well, look, i think the joke that was making the rounds tonight is right on point.
maga now stands for my attorney got arrested. this is a president who has been surrounded by people, his campaign manager is now a convicted felon. his personal attorney today is pleading out in federal court and implicating the president directly while he was a candidate and law breaking. we have a whole constellation of other trump people who are either pled guilty or cooperating with prosecutors because this is a guy who is standing atop a gigantic mountain of corruption. and he's standing atop a gigantic mountain of 0 be instruction as well. all these things that have been slowly building up for donald trump, this predicate he's been building for months and months and months that this is an unfair witch-hunt by hillary's angry minions is falling apart. people are seeing this now. you can't spin away the fact that paul manafort, who was donald trump's campaign manager, is going to spend the rest of his life in jail. that michael cohen, his personal attorney, one of his closest associates is going to jail.
and for things they did both before and during his administration and his campaign. >> so listen -- >> go ahead. >> i'm old enough to remember being on here with rick, where rick specifically made the point to me, that the cohen investigation had nothing to do with the mueller investigation, and so i think that's an interesting point. because in the manafort case, they're not looking at russia collusion of the trump campaign, they're looking at tax fraud and payments that he had, and he hid, and in the cohen case, that was not a part according to everyone of the mueller case. these are not great things but separate from. >> can i jump in here real quick. and ask you -- >> we're nowhere near the end of the road. >> can i ask you, though. does that change since michael cohen directly implicated donald trump today? he may have said that yesterday or five minutes before michael cohen did that. doesn't that -- does that make a difference? >> not in -- when you -- what
rick was saying is that the president calls this whole thing a witch hunt, what he's referring to is the mueller investigation trying to create a conspiracy case around the president's campaign, and he's repeatedly said there was no such thing, and now we're saying, oh, my gosh, two people around him have gotten into trouble. neither one of them has anything to do with what that was originally about. and what democrats talk about every time they can, about mueller, which is russian collusion, neither one of these two things has anything to do with that. >> go ahead, rick, what were you saying? >> this is the first couple steps in a long waltz. and this is never going to get better. and robert mueller is circling around closer and closer, the cohen thing was ancillary. to the southern district of new york because it was ancillary, the individual charges and case issues were ancillary to the overall investigation. mueller's charter was to explore russian interference and the role the trump campaign may have played with it, any other crimes that may emerge from that, they
have a duty to go ahead and push through on these things. this is the first couple steps in this dance. this isn't the end for donald trump, it doesn't get easier after this, it gets harder, it gets worse, they're going to close in soon. roger stone's going to be staring up at a gray ceiling and a jail cell pretty soon. there are a lot of these guys that are going to be facing continued pressure on this. and the fact of the matter is, i think it speaks to the president's character, the man who promised he was a law and order candidate, would hire the best people. it seems like for a guy who's going to hire the best people, he seems to be hiring the best felons, and there's a long trail of these other people that are already caught up in this, and it's -- it's disproportionate to any other president in modern history, including richard nixon at this point, it's kind of remarkable how many people around donald trump seem to be in legal trouble. >> okay. don't go anywhere, we have much more to discuss. we'll be right back. know what?
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congressional republicans rethink their support for the president? >> it should but we've seen already they're going to do everything they can to avoid the mean tweet from donald trump. as i tweeted back to senator graham, you don't want to grab the fecal end of this stick. he will abandon everyone who supports him. they will be stuck with the radiation and fallout and stink off anything that happens to donald trump legally because he requires they defend him so passionately. and that's a bad bet. relies on two big predicates. first that donald trump ever tells the truth to anyone about anything ever. and second one they believe that donald trump says there's no collusion, nothing there, no conspiracy or contact with russia. we know there was contact. he lies to his friends, allies and members of congress right now and they're buying it like a
bunch of mooks. >> bad bet is what democrats and people who just hate the president like rick have done, spent 1 1/2 years now telling the american people russian collusion, russian collusion, it's been the message into the midterms and wall-to-wall media coverage. and when this happens, public is like this isn't about -- >> also about media conspiracy and -- >> you've harmed your own ability to prop up something that happened today and explain to the american people because spent so long going down the conspiracy path. i worked for newt gingrich in the '90s when president clinton was impeached. whitewater investigation and ended up being about something completely separate, committed
perjury under oath and american people didn't want him impeached for that. that's what happens when you set it up as russian collusion case. democrats win congress, going to impeach the president and blow up in their face like did with us. >> i don't have a lot of time. rick, respond to that. set yourself up. >> situation with donald trump, only easy day was yesterday. more evidence will come out, more things revealed. look at donald trump's money, longer relationship with, denials will ring hollow and everybody else will get the stink on them. believed a man a pathological liar about everything. why tell you truth about one single thing in the universe. >> one thing i know for sure, tomorrow is new day and will be new developments. there are every moment. >> you betcha. >> thanks for watching. our coverage continues.
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