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the president took office in january of 2017. this as the white house says it is using executive privilege to hold back more than 100,000 pages of documents related to kavanaugh's time as a lawyer in george w. bush's administration. senate minority leader chuck schumer calls the decision a friday night document massacre, a reference to watergate. democrats claim republicans are trying to force through kavanaugh's nomination without the proper scrutiny. for more, let's go to cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez. so what is the reason the white house is giving for not turning over these documents? >> reporter: they thehey there,. yeah, lawyers citing constitutional privilege as the reason to hold back these 100,000-plus pages related to brett kavanaugh's time as an attorney for president george w. bush. now, we should point out that the attorney who sent that letter to senate judiciary chairman chuck schumer kind of explained the process of why he
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was holding these 100,000 or so pages back out of 660,000 plus. in that letter to chuck grassley, i should say, he did point out that former president george w. bush actually asked him to be as transparent as possible in this process, something which democrats do not feel has taken place. you saw that tweet from minority leader chuck schumer, who called it a friday night document massacre. documents, though, are only one aspect of this confirmation battle. ultimately, this may come down to where brett kavanaugh stands on some very important issues like abortion. this morning, lindsey graham was asked on "state of the union" where he believes brett kavanaugh should fall on this issue. here is his response to dana bash. listen to this. >> well, here's what i hope he'll do. if there's a case before him that challenges roe v. wade that he would listen to both sides of the story, apply a test to overturn precedent.
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precedent is important, but it's not invalid. i'm dying to see if he believes that citizens versus united can be overturned. the bottom line here is there's a process to overturn a precedent. i think he understands that process. he will apply it. if it were up to me, states would make these decisions, not the supreme court, but it is a long-held precedent of the court. it will be challenged over time, and i hope he'll give it a fair hearing. >> reporter: now, fred, the reason roe versus wade continues to be a main issue for brett kavanaugh's confirmation process is because the trump administration time and time again has promised to overturn it and allow that decision to go back to the states. the confirmation hearings actually begin on tuesday. so far president trump has not weighed in via twitter this weekend. though, he has been active, i should say, on a number of other issues. >> during the john mccain funeral yesterday, in fact. all right, boris sanchez. thank you so much. with me now is cnn legal analyst
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and supreme court biographer. good to see you. let's start with this nomination. it's important. kavanaugh, if approved, would replace a key swing vote on the u.s. support. how potentially impactful could this be? >> yes, fredricka. we have to keep our eye on the big picture here, just as you said. he's replacing a man who was the key fifth vote on abortion rights, on racial affirmative action, on gay marriage, and here is brett kavanaugh, just 53 years old, appointed to a lifetime seat. he could decide the fate of the law for a generation. >> and then the issue of these 100,000 pages that are being withheld by the white house, use of executive privilege, all spanning time when kavanaugh served in the george w. bush administration. so reportedly, "the new york times" is putting it as such that these documents reflect
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deliberations, candid advice concerning the selection and nomination of judicial candidates. so is this out of the ordinary to withhold or want to withhold that kind of information? >> yes, this is more than usual. let me just clarify a couple things here. what the white house and the george w. bush administration are saying is that they should be protected because they were part of deliberations, because they were part of -- they're characterizing them very broadly, citing attorney/client privilege, citing communications privilege, deliberative privilege, things that are so broad it's hard to know exactly what all is being held back. but we know lots are being held back. they're saying anything brett kavanaugh might have done on judges, because he was in the white house counsel's office when several individuals were chosen for very important federal appeals court, and then also for the supreme court during some of his tenure. i have to tell you that when
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john roberts was up for confirmation, he had also worked in the white house counsel's office during the reagan administration, and several of his papers on those exact same issues were made public. >> so the democrats are arguing unnecessarily too much is being withheld, and this represents a lack of transparency. so how important is that overall in the senate confirmation hearings? >> well, it's going to get a lot of complaint time from the democrats, but face it, fred, the republicans are controlling this process. and if they shut the door on these documents, there's really not much -- there's nothing democrats can do. >> what about on the issue of roe v. wade? could this issue, where he stands on it, his record on decisions, you know, be a make or break moment? even though republicans, you know, are in the majority, we've heard from some like susan collins who say, you know, there is legal precedence, in her view, as it pertains to roe v. wade. >> that's right.
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and here's what he's done before. first of all, fred, he sits on a court that doesn't handle much abortion at all. he had one case about a year ago in october of 2017 where he dissented when the full d.c. circuit said the trump administration couldn't block a pregnant migrant teenager from getting an abortion. and what he said, he said that the administration was right to want this young woman to first have a sponsor, and in his dissenting opinion, he talked about the government being within its right to favor fetal lu life. that's the one opinion he has, he was on the losing side there. i'm sure senators will ask him about that. susan collins, as you know, had said that he told her that roe v. wade was settled precedent, but that doesn't really mean much in the whole scheme of things because, as we know, the supreme court will reverse
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precedent. >> joan biskupic, thank you so much. >> thank you. all right. let's talk further on this. cnn political commentator and republican strategist, good to see you both. rich, you first. what's your take on this 100,000 pages of documents the trump administration says, you know, it's using executive privilege to hold back, but then you just heard from joan, who said, you know, that has been crossed before with john roberts and all of it was transparent and made available. why is this different? >> well, you referenced "the new york times" article from i think yesterday or the day before. they pointed out the fact that this is a subset of all the documents, and they have released 400,000 plus other documents. b, this request for privilege came not from the trump white house but through the bush lawyers, from the bush white house. i'm not a trump fan, but i don't
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think it's fair to blame it on him. >> and that "new york times," just to revisit, it says these documents reflect deliberations, candid advice concerning the selection, nomination, or judicial candidates, the confidentiality is critical to any president's ability to carry out this constitutional function. >> and the only issue that really matters is one way or another will it change a single vote. i think the answer to that is no. so this is, you know, another thing where people are throwing stuff up against the wall, trying to see what they can get to stick. but i think everybody is pretty much frozen in place. i'm not sure they've whipped it yet, but i think everyone has pretty much made up their mind. >> what likely is up ahead during this brett kavanaugh confirmation hearing? >> look, the buck stops at president trump's desk, right. if president trump believed this information needed to be available to the senate, then he should release it.
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republicans, what they're trying to do, is they're trying to make this the "trust me" confirmation. trust me, there's nothing to see here. trust me,there's 100,000 pages of documents that really don't matter. i believe senators should wait. senators should demand this information. we don't know what was written there about a woman's constitutional right. we don't know what then-staffer kavanaugh was saying at the white house about roe v. wade. these are very critical pieces of documents. he's going to be sitting at the supreme court, at the bench for the next 40 years making critical decisions that would impact our lives. we need to have this information. >> yeah, so because of that, rich, that is the argument that there needs to be transparency. both sides would argue that, would they not? >> yeah, sure, of course they would. if the roles were reversed, it would be the republicans, you know, jumping up and down and
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waving their hands, not the democrats. but let me just say this. first, we have said -- again, we go way, way back. we have said a million times to each other, elections matter. if you want to blame somebody, don't blame trump, don't blame bush, blame hillary clinton for the crappy campaign she ran. >> you could sit here and say that, you know, if the shoe was on the other foot -- by the way, the shoe was never on the other foot. they released all the papers on kagan. they released all the papers on roberts. what's important at this moment is to know what was advised by kavanaugh at the white house. look, we want to talk about -- >> i think that's exactly why they should not be. that's the nature, nadeam and fred, of executive privilege, to allow staffers to know if they're going to give their advice freely and openly to the chief executive, that's it's not going to come back and they're not going to have to explain it
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7 or 10 or 15 years later. >> what was good for chief justice roberts should be good enough for judge kavanaugh. >> and so, you know, a potential question, just like we saw in the last confirmation hearings, will be a lee generallegiance t president. the president and people around him still under investigation. it's likely some of those cases might make it to the u.s. supreme court. so one has to wonder, you know, the line of questioning that will go to kavanaugh and how much of it will be dedicated to that, the loyalty, the allegiance, which is critical. >> sure. look, judge kavanaugh is a very capable lawyer. i'm sure he has an answer ready for that question. we don't know if the president ever asked that question to him or not. what we want to know is what he really believes about roe v. wade, what he really believes about precedent and what was set before in the court. >> he's not going to answer how he's going to vote on roe v. wade. you know that. >> no, but precedent is
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important, and settled law is important. settled law is a meaningless fact today. what's he going to do tomorrow? i could say, you know, it is settled law that i had two cups of coffee yesterday, but tomorrow, things could change. >> and rich, the questions might be asked. he may not answer it the way in which some, you know, senators want him to, but how it is answered can also speak volumes. >> sure. again, we've all been through this. you know that the first thing the briefing team is doing every day is asking, here are the 74 different ways roe v. wade is going to be asked, tell me how you're going to answer this time, this time, this time. he's going to have that. >> what's unfortunate is senator graham provided a road map on how to overturn precedent. clearly republicans are
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anticipating that the opportunity will come when they are going to have a supreme court that is conservative, that is going to overturn roe v. wade. >> rich, will this be fiery, the start of a very fiery confirmation process? >> oh, yeah, it'll be great tv. i think it'll be fun to watch. i just don't think anybody's going to change their mind. they could take the vote tomorrow. and by the way, the supreme court session, as we all know, opens the first monday in october, which happens to be october 1 this year. so there's time to get all this stuff done, and governor of arizona has time to decide who will fill the vacant seat of senator mccain. so a lot of important points to talk about. >> all right.
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thank you, both of you. still ahead, do you remember those sonic attacks in cuba last year? leaving american diplomats with headaches, hearing loss. guess what, the u.s. state department believes they now know what may have caused them. a live report from havana next. alright guys let's go! let's do this directions to the greek theater (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪can i get a connection?
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cnn's patrick oppeman is following the story. what led authorities to suspect it was indeed an attack? now we're talking about these microwave weapons. >> reporter: it's still very much a diplomatic mystery, but let me walk you through what is a very complicated case. it all began november 2016, right after the u.s. presidential election. that is when u.s. diplomats based here in havana said they began to experience these strange symptoms, often at night when they're asleep in their beds. they said they would feel nausea, hear loud sounds, hearing loss. if they got up out of bed, if they left the room they were in, it would stop. if they walked back in where they felt this incident, this attack as they described it, it would start again. they felt they were being targeted with some sort of mysterious beam of energy. initially, they complained to cuban authorities that they felt they were being targeted with sonic weapons.
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experts consulted by cnn at the time said that sonic weapons really don't work like that. they don't usually cause somebody to hear a noise, and they're much too large to be used in this capacity. now we have scientists that have met and helped treat some of those diplomats coming out and saying perhaps it's a microwave weapon. this is also a weapon that's much more portable that shoots a beam of energy and can be pinpointed in the way these diplomats describe both here in cuba and in china, and that it can actually cause people to think they're hearing sounds. this is just a symptom of this beam of energy that's being directed at people, and it can cause these kinds of symptoms. one of the researchers told cnn it causes concussion without actually causing a concussion. the immaculate concussion, they said. we don't know much about these weapons because so few countries use them. there's no evidence the diplomats were targeted here. they've called on the u.s. to
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release more information about this. right now it may be one piece of still a very big puzzle. >> it is mysterious, but you know, there are a couple things from that reporting that there is some place of blame or at least looking seriously at russia. then the other is it's not just a very disturbing high-pitched noise, but there might even be voices or a message, a continual message that people have been victimized by this sound. what more do we know about that, or who is adding any credence to that? >> reporter: it's really fascinating stuff. there are a number of countries, including the former soviet union and now russia that have microwave weapon programs going back decades. there's some evidence they've been used in other countries against u.s. diplomats. again, still no evidence they were used here, hard evidence,
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but it seems to fit the scenario. now, cuban officials here said we would never allow this to be used, but in a country like cuba, it's impossible to imagine a third actor could come in and use these weapons without cuban officials knowing. they've allowed the fbi to come in. they've allowed canadian investigators because there are some canadian diplomats that have complained of similar things. you read about these weapons and weapons programs that did exist, and it's kind of the perfect weapon because it leaves no trace. >> it's fascinating. and troubling. patrick oppmann, thank you so much. and this just in to cnn. the united states has confirmed that it killed the head of isis in afghanistan. it happened during a coalition air strike last weekend. that strike also killed ten other isis fighters. this isis leader's death is the third time the u.s. has killed a
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self-proclaimed leader of isis in the past two years. still ahead, a catholic parishioner turns her back in the middle of mass in d.c., and another yells at him. >> shame on you! >> you heard that, shame on you. this as the catholic church faces worldwide criticism for its sex abuse scandal.
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a stunning outburst during
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sunday mass at a washington, d.c., catholic church. a parishioner shouted out at the cardinal as he was addressing priest sex abuse allegations, allegations he is accused of covering up. >> we need -- we need to hold close in our prayers and our loyalty, our holy father pope francis. increasingly, it's clear that he is the object of considerable animosity. >> shame on you! >> shame on you. you heard that. cnn's rosa flores was inside the church during the remarks. rosa, you spoke to the man who actually yelled that at the cardinal. so what did he have to say? >> you know, fred, i did, and he said that he was very frustrated for what he called the church not addressing the root of the problem. he said that the church is not responding properly to the pennsylvania grand jury report, which as you know revealed about
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300 predator priests and more than 1,000 child victims. so this is the type of frustration that we heard from other parishioners there as well, asking for transparency and accountability. they want the church to be held accountable, the hierarchy in the church to be held accountable. this man was not the only man to make a loud statement. there was a woman who did just that with her silence. take a look at this picture. she stood up, crossed her arms, and gave the cardinal her back. here's what she said. >> i think he should resign. i think he should understand that just because you didn't mean to do something doesn't mean that there weren't terrible consequences for lots of people. and i feel he should resign as cardinal. >> now, let me take you inside that church because we were in there for the duration of this
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mass. the cardinal was received warmly. he was also applauded. so it was not all in protest. it was at the end of that mass that we saw that gentleman stand up and say shame on you and that woman also stand up and give him her back. we asked the archdiocese for a response. they said, quote, cardinal wuerl has spoken extensively over the past few months, conveyed his profound sadness and apologies and addressed every issue as it has arisen in a straightforward and transparent manner. fred? >> rosa flores, thank you so much in d.c. all right. happening right now, family and friends of senator john mccain saying their last good-byes in a private ceremony now in maryland. people lining the streets earlier to pay their final respects as well. we'll tack you to annapolis live next. these digestive issues can start in the colon and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria.
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naval classmate admiral chuck larson. it was a pact the two men made decades ago, a true testament to the senator's loyalty and pride in his roots. chuck larson's wife telling cnn, chuck has his wingman back now. cnn's brian todd is outside the u.s. naval academy there in annapolis. what is happening right there? of course, the ceremony is taking place privately, but what do you ascertain is happening? >> reporter: well, fredricka, we were just told by the navy that the ceremony has just concluded and that the mourners, the family and others who were invited, will be walking over to the burial site. that will take some time. so this is ongoing, and now we're in a bit of a transition period after the ceremony and before his internment at this beautiful plot we're told is overlooking -- it's on a bluff overlooking the confluence of the river and college creek in annapolis. really a beautiful spot for him to be buried there. and we do know that tributes were given to john mccain by his
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son, lieutenant jack mccain, a helicopter pilot in the u.s. navy, as well as senator lindsey graham, his long time and very close friend, and general david petraeus, former cia director and head of central command, who was the lead commander during the iraq war. fredricka, a lot of questions have been asked about why john mccain is being buried here in annapolis as opposed to maybe arlington national cemetery. that's where his father and his grandfather are both buried. maybe why not at his ranch, his beautiful ranch in arizona. of course, both great places to be interred. but from everything we're getting, this is really the place that drew john mccain back. he had some of his best and worst experiences here at the naval academy. his exploits here were legendary. he almost got kicked out a few times. he graduated near the bottom of his class. this is really the place that is said to have shaped john mccain, shaped him and forged him, forged his toughness that he would of course rely on during the vietnam war as a p.o.w. for 5 1/2 years. so this is the place that really
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drew john mccain back. and it's just again part of the great emotional situation, this atmosphere that we're all going through now in saying our final good-byes to john mccain. you mentioned chuck larson, the admiral, his long-time friend, his classmate here he's buried next to. admiral larson's wife said one day about 20 years ago, he came back and said, i've just gotten my burial place an john is going to be next to me. these stories we're weaving in here all speak to the fabric of john mccain's life. we're about to really say good-bye to him for the final time. >> right. and these are his wishes. his wishes crafted, you know, like you said, decades ago with this pact, but at the same time, in these last few months of his life, crafting his funeral, his sendoff. this is being carried out just the way he envisioned. brian todd, thank you so much in annapolis. all right. still ahead, the candidate for
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florida governor is responding to a racist robo call mocking his race and playing jungle noises in the background of that robocall. what andrew gillum is saying about what he calls racist dog whistles, next. alright guys let's go! let's do this directions to the greek theater (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪can i get a connection? overwhelming air fresheners can send you running... so try febreze one. with no aerosols and no heavy perfumes. so you can spray and stay. febreze one.
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all right. welcome back. the florida governor's race is one of the most consequential of 2018, and it's also becoming one of the most racially charged. a racist robocall is targeting
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democratic candidate tallahassee mayor andrew gillum just days after winning the primary. and if he wins in november, he could become florida's first african-american governor. the robocalls follow controversial comments from gillum's republican challenger and president trump supporter ron desantis, who used the word monkey when referring to gillum's primary victory. >> we've got to work hard to make sure that we continue florida going in a good direction. let's build off the success we've had on governor scott. the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda. >> so today gillum is responding to desantis and the racial rhetoric surrounding the campaign so far. here's what he told dana bash. >> i have to tell you, i do find it deeply regrettable. i mean, on the day, right after i secured the democratic nomination, we had to deal with some of the dog whistles
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directly from my opponent. i want to make sure that we don't racialize and frankly weaponize race as a part of this process, which is why i've called on my opponent to really work to rise above some of these things. people are taking their cues from him, from his campaign, and from donald trump. and we saw in charlottesville that can lead to real, frankly dangerous outcomes. >> and we're joined now by florida political reporter for politico mark caputo. good to see you. so things are really getting ugly, mark. race baiting is now part of the strategy for the republican contender to win. how might florida voters think about that? >> well, good question. just real quick, the desantis campaign denies he was intentionally race baiting. they just say this was an unfortunate choice of words. but the problem that the desantis campaign has is that he was walking into the primary, or better said the general election, with the wind at his
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back. ron desantis had more than a majority of republicans behind him. he has a very good bio, background. he's an ivy leaguer. and he was really looking forward to a general election campaign, but he wasn't expecting it from andrew gillum and was caught flat footed. some of this rhetoric, which even republicans say is unfortunate, it really threw his campaign into a tail spin. >> and he hasn't apologized or anything like that. even gillum said, look, he's a harvard grad. he has a much better vocabulary than the one that was just on display, and even challenged desantis to having some dialogue, meeting each other in the middle, talking about issues, but there's been no response. >> right. i think ron desantis' decision not to respond is a good example of the fact i don't think his campaign wanted to communicate this. at least that's what they're telling us, telling the press. there was no racial intention here, and the like. if we break down the electorate in kind of raw black and white
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and brown terms, there is is a possibility this helps the democrat a little more in the midterm than the republican. in the last presidential election, president trump had some very raw and difficult and tough rhetoric, which was widely viewed by a lot of people who were nonwhite as being racially charged. the thing is, in primaries, or in general elections, and florida in midterms, democratic voters, african-americans and hispanic voters, have had a tendency to underperform. now we've seen not only the nominee for the democratic party be the first african-american and not only have we seen very strong black turnout, we've now seen this comment and this issue gain attention like we've never seen it before in a florida gubernatorial race. >> yeah, florida -- >> and voters are paying attention. >> yeah, florida very diverse. however, it has also voted very conservatively on a statewide basis. gillum even promised he's going
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to be in these next few weeks really crisscrossing the state, spending a lot of time in the panhandle, which may ordinarily kind of get overlooked, ignored, particularly by a democrat. but that's his mission. we haven't heard anything about desantis' strategy, et cetera, nor a response to this because he hasn't said yes to a lot of invitations. but then there's another issue. it's not just the race baiting or this, you know, race-laced talk, even the robocalls, but the, fbi has been apparently investigating development deals in tallahassee during gillum's term as mayor. apparently that's being perhaps potentially used to the advantage of desantis while he's campaigning. but this is what gillum said to our dana bash when responding to the question of what about this corruption investigation. listen. >> we want to make sure any individual that participated in that is held fully accountable. the good news is that it doesn't
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involve my government or myself. donald trump and ron desantis have tried to undermine and undercut the fbi at every turn, the president going so far as to suggest a deep state as a we to undermine in that work. that is an absence of leadership, and i think that what we've done here has frankly been a model of how you deal with these kinds of things as a way to root out any bad players, any bad activity, and nobody wants to bring that to conclusion quicker than i do. >> most importantly, what does the electorate potentially think about this corruption investigation? is it an issue? does it matter to people? >> well, the republicans and ron desantis are certainly going to make this an issue. we're going to see how it plays out. that's what campaigns are for. one of the things that is interesting with gillum is when he did meet with the fbi, and he did meet with them, he met with them voluntarily and didn't have a lawyer. now, most people who usually think they're criminally exposed have an attorney. gillum says he did not. he says in addition to that, he
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was told he wasn't a target. while he was on the city council, or better said as mayor, when there were subpoenas flying around, gillum had all of those subpoenas and documents put out publicly. he's not acting like a politician who has something to hide from the press. now, he has had a bit of a local war with the tallahassee democrat, which has done some good reporting on it, but as for this being a killer issue in the general election, we're going to have to see. however, as dpgillum's messagin points out, ron desantis has spent a lot of time raising questions about the effectiveness of the fbi, talking about this being a deep-state issue, and it's a little bit of a turn for desantis to say on one hand, look, this fbi investigation over here, which has netted a certain number of convictions, indictments, charges, and a broad number of subpoenas in interviews, well, that one is bad. but the investigation that's locally is good. how he threads that needle, we'll have to see. >> interesting.
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marc caputo, thanks so much. i was looking a the my notes on listening to gillum's interview earlier. he did underscore that every step of the way, they've publicly made a lot of those, you know, documents available for the sake of transparency. thanks so much, marc. appreciate it. much more straight ahead in the newsroom after this. we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab.
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this wi-fi is fast. i know! i know! i know! i know! when did brian move back in?
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brian's back? he doesn't get my room. he's only going to be here for like a week. like a month, tops. oh boy. wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. they just went right over us, fredricka and literally right over our heads, and we saw one of the f-18s peel off and really above them in a really dramatic maneuver. and there they go. this is really the final symbolism of the -- the final sendoff for a man who meant so much to his country. john mccain is buried at the cemetery overlooking the seven river and his comrade admiral chuck larson and this is one of the most imagine bli p--
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imageable symbolism, fredricka. >> yes, a sense of finality, and the peace, and you are hearing the roar of the f-18s and at the same time, knowing what it is symbolizing and knowing what it represents, there is a certain pea peace. so, brian, earlier, you talked about how many people lined the streets there in annapolis as the motorcade with the hearse and, you know, the family then made their way to the u.s. naval academy for the private ceremony. were there also people who stuck around, so to speak, who antase pated that there might be this flyover taking place today? >> certainly there would be, fredricka. you mentioned the people lining the streets going to the naval academy and the highway that we took to annapolis on route 50 standing on overpasses. they know the town and the naval academy and the tradition here very well.
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i have been to several football games at the naval academy and often a flyover to symbolize something just happening or the pageantry of the moment, and so these people know about the events even though it is not publicized ahead of time they could have surmise nd that ther is one on this day. so the people who come to the events, the football games and these things, they understand that it could be a powerful moment, and indeed, moments ago, it was. again, so much of john mccain's history is signified in naval air power, and he got the wins at the pensacola air station in florida along with chuck larson and, you know, of course we all know of the experiences in vietnam, and 23 combat missions in vietnam before he was shot down, and then spending 5 1/2 years as a p.o.w. and refusing the north vietnamese offer to send him back hoping to generate good publicity and goodwill for them, but he would have none of
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it, because he understood that the p.o.w. code was the last guy in is the last guy out, and that is the order you go in. so the symbolism here with the flyover symbolizes all of that, really, the power, the commitment and the sacrifice that he gave to the united states, and what drew him back here to be buried here in the final resting place. just a powerful moment all of the way around and a very emotional afternoon, fredricka. >> it is an arresting moment an you did not have to be there right there on the street to make the way to the entrance of the u.s. naval academy, but if you were anywhere near annapolis and saw and or heard the roar of the f-18 fighter jets you knew exactly what it symbolized and what it meant. you knew that it was the missing man formation of flyover for the late now senator john mccain now buried right there at the u.s. naval academy. brian todd, thank you so much for bringing this to us. we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom, and it all starts right after this.
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hello, everyone. thank you for being with us me on this sunday. final good-bye to senator john mccain and we saw the military honoring the late senator with this missing man formation flying over. these navy f-18 jets four of them and one peeling off in salute to a fallen pilot, and after a week of omourning for mccain's family and close inner circle friends are now or have been saying the last final good-byes s s at a private buri site. and he is going to be buried next to admiral chuck larson, his former classmate,

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