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first mass games in five years, tens of thousands of people flipping cards in the mayday stadium sending their country's message to the world. should be extraordinary. >> great reporting. will ripley in the north korea capital pyongyang. we'll stay in close touch. and thanks very much for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, the white house narrowing down the list of suspects behind the scathing new york times op-ed as kellyanne conway said the president thinks the person who is on the national security team. and president tru-- preside hammering president trump again but could it fire up the trump base and a close associate of roger stone who today appeared before robert mueller grand jury will join me live. what did mueller want to know? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett. "outfront," breaking news.
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president trump senior adviser kellyanne conway saying tonight that the president believes the anonymous writer is somebody on the national security team. listen to what she just told our christiane amanpour. >> do you think that person is inside of the white house? >> most of us don't think that. the president just today said he believes it's somebody in national security. but what i do believe is that who has said that ought to come forward and say it, or ought to resign because the loyalty is not to the president, or at all, it is loyalty to the presidency. it is loyal to the constitution. >> and white house aides to the president say they -- that they have the search narrowed down to a few individuals now. this comes as trump is now demanding his attorney general launch an investigation to uncover the identity of the person behind that opinion piece. >> i would say jeff should be
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investigating the author of that piece was, because i really believe it's national security. >> but investigate what? no one has -- at least yet -- claimed the author divulged anything classified. new york times is putting out this statement saying we're confident that the department of justice understands that the first amendment protects all american citizens and that it would not participate in such a blatant abuse of government power. and when nbc news pressed sarah sanders today about what law was broken, she reportedly could t not -- identify one saying she is not a lawyer. kaitlin collins has more. yet again a lot of moving parts on this tonight. the hunt is on. it is at a fever pitch and it appears maybe the president's narrowing down the list of people he suspects. >> reporter: that is right, kate. it does seem to be very much a guessing game back here at the
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white house of who wrote that scathing op-ed questioning the president's leadership ability but now aides seem to be under the impression they have narrowed down the list who have it could be that wrote that op-ed. since it was first published in "the new york times" on wednesday aides are throwing out ideas and texting reports who they think it could be. based on either what they've heard here in the west wing or who could have authored this. but of course, if they have narrowed down this list of who they think it could be out of a pool of hundreds of people who carry that title of senior official here at the white house, it raises the question of why then president trump suggested today that his attorney general jeff sessions should be the one investigating who authored the op-ed. we know the president is desperate to find out who wrote that. last night you heard him at his rally that he believes "the new york times" reporter should try to break that because he thought it would be a good scoop but here there is still very much that effort underway to find out who it is. baz -- because the president
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today said he's sitting in meeting looking around and when he doesn't recognize someone, it is raising suspicions for him. that is a question for the president. he wants to find out who it is. and aides are trying to convince the president it wasn't somebody in the west wing and push the suspicion away from the inner circle and those that work with him every day and they realize what this could do to harm them if the president does suspect it is them would wrote the scathing op-ed. there are still a lot of questions about who it is and what the identity of this person is and it is still consuming this west wing as you saw the president bringing that up even though he's miles away from washington at all of his evens doing fundraisers and it is not likely he will stop talking about it until he find out who wrote it. >> either he thinks they are working for them or doesn't care or can't help himself. thank you, kaitlin. "outfront" now, julie hersh feld davis and shan lieu a
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former federal prosecutor. thanks for being here. julie, you just heard when kellyanne conway told christiane amanpour who the president thinks the opinion writer is. what are you hearing? >> well, of course it is as kaitlin said, it is a big guessing game and we're hearing different things. one thing i think is going on, we've known for a long time this white house is full of kind of feuding factions and often some competing interests and competing egos in the room. and i think there are some sort of behind the scenes shifting of blame going on by people who don't know who it is but who are trying to sort of pin the blame on colleagues who they have long had an ax to grind against. so there is some of that that is muddying the picture. i think it is hard to say from what we know, from what we've seen of the op-ed who this person is and clearly it is a person if you read it, it wouldn't stretch credulity to think it is somebody working in the national security realm
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because there are security concerns that are raised. but for the president to say this is a matter of national security and the identity of the person be divulged, that is a stretch because there is no specific information in there that is classified information. there are no actual specifics given at all. it is more portrait of a situation inside of the white house that is obviously very concerning to people because it confirms a lot of the reports that we've been hearing about and reporting on ourselves for the last couple of years. >> there is a lot of stretching going on when it comes to this. david, conway also seems to be contradicting the president on whether this whole -- this whole thing is worthy of an investigation. let me play this for you. listen. >> i'm not interested in the investigation. those who are investigating, great. i hope they find the person. i believe the person will solve it out because that is what happens. people brag to the wrong person. they brag that they did this or they did that. because they -- i assume part of
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this isn't the goal here not what the op-ed pretends the goal, isn't the goal to sew chaos and get us all suspicious of each other. >> is that what is happening? are you getting suspicious of each other? >> so kellyanne conway said there shouldn't be an investigation and the president is calling on sessions to begin an investigation. should they not be on the same page, david. >> they should be. but one who needs to get on the same page is the president and not kellyanne conway. calling for the department of justice to investigate a statement that violates no apparent law, it is just -- it is a very difficult to figure out, if you found out through the department of justice, so what? you can't -- you don't have a criminal case because there is no crime here. that anybody could see. there is no classified information that has been published. but more than that, kate, if i may say so, this seems to me a
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complete distraction. the white house -- i think it is fuelling this search for the person so that it will make the story about what the person has to say go away and they want to -- >> forecast us on who it is rather than the content. >> kill the messenger. absolutely. shoot the messenger and kill the message. and what the person had to say is very serious and we do know that michaelen for example of axios reported he's had called from other senior officials saying i could have written the same thing. this is not an isolated person. it is an individual from my point of view sounds more like a cry from the heart, a cre deckure by someone who would like the president to succeed but deeply worried about what is going on and we, the american people, deserve to know more about what is going on. >> david makes a very important point. i think for everyone to remember not to lose the forest through the trees on this. another distraction of a distraction of a distraction of a distraction.
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because on those basic level and put this to bed for us, can you figure out a law that was broken in any way with this piece? >> no, kate. they have an h.r. problem, not a national security problem. if you look at what is written, there is no violation of law. i could see why someone like the president might think, oh, gosh, if they talk about this, they might talk about something else. but if i was jeff sessions and you came to me with this, i would say, mr. president, this is an internal matter and not appropriate to use the justice department for or the fbi. the fbi does not function as president trump's p.i. they are not private investigators, they have an important function if there is a predicate for criminal wrongdoing and there isn't here. it is a first amendment expression and some are expressing concerns. >> and julie, i've asked you a million times, what does sessions do now?
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>> i think shannon and david are right. there is nothing for him to do. i guess he pushes back and a question of whether he puts out one of the statements that we've seen him put out a couple of times before and more remarkable circumstances where he said i'm not going to do that. but it does tell you something about the president. if we just step back again in the way that you were suggesting, that his first instinct well that he is the president and he should have the ability to use his power to go and find this person whose identity he wants to know so badly. it is an instinct that is not in keeping with what the definition of the president of the united states is. it may be in keeping with what leaders of some other countries that don't have the same rights and freedoms that our country has, but it's quite something that his first instinct is to say what are the ways in which i could use this white house, my government, to try and target this person who is said something about me that i don't like. >> you're right. you're absolutely right. because, david, as julie is saying, let's not gloss over
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this fact. that the president of the united states is here actually believing that the justice department should be fighting his fights, whatever they may be. and this isn't the first time obviously. earlier this week he made that abundantly clear when he lashed out at sessions again for indicting two republican congressmen before the midterms for -- god forbid and it hurt republicans politically. at least in the president's view. it is astonishing. >> it is very astonishing. the president hasn't broken any laws himself. what he has broken are the unwritten laws about how a president -- how the justice department as an independent agency and what the right -- the use of power is by a president,and i think new york times has a point when they're calling it an abuse of power. to -- and they just ran a editorial today about the respect for the rule of law and where is it in this administration and how corrosive
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the kind of efforts he used, of the justice department to go after people has become. when you violate these unwritten laws, what scholars call the norms of the presidency, you diminish the respect for the office and you diminish the trust that people have in the justice department, in the legal process. >> and it is funny when you talk about trust of the justice department and kellyanne conway at the very top and shannon is talking about trying -- that this is hurting the trust amongst the executive branch. it seems there is a lot of trust -- >> exactly. >> exactly. >> for governing purposes. >> go ahead, shannon. >> the more the president talks about how untrustworthy the justice department is, the more he's ultimately trying to damage it. and sessions dilemma here is a., how does he save his job, and b., to the extent he has any sense of the historical role of the attorney general, he has the pushback on that because he's
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trying to preserve the credibility. if he continues to basically submit to the president's whims, he helps create the impression that the justice department is simply at the president's beck and call which is absolutely wrong. >> i'll say this and i can be wrong, but the chances that this president said he wants an investigation and may say it again and and again and again and then it never happens and that is the way it is, chances -- high. look at the track record. thanks very much. appreciate it. out front next, president obama back on the campaign trail and taking on president trump. >> how hard can that be? saying that nazis are bad? >> plus roger stone associate testifies before robert mueller grand jury today, what did mueller want to know from randy critico. he is my guest. and a former trump campaign adviser was just sentenced in the russia investigation. we'll have jake tappers exclusive interview with george papadopoulos. (vo) this is not a video game.
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political opponents. >> i would say jeff should be investigating who the author of that piece was. because i really believe it's national security. >> we're sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to nazi sympathizers. >> you had bad people in that group but you have people that were very fine on both sides. >> i complain plenty about fox news. but you never heard me threaten to shut them down. or call them enemies of the people. >> a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people. and they are. they are the enemy of the people. >> outfront now, keith boykin former white house aide and david bodie from the kmn broadcasting network. thank you for being here. keith, is this the obama you've been waiting for this cycle? >> oh, yeah. this is refreshing. that contrast you just showed.
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to see a president that could speak in complete sentences again -- who understands the rule of law, who respects the constitution, who doesn't pay off porn stars and playmates and doesn't have his campaign chairman indicted and convicted or his lawyer sentenced to jail and pleading guilty and respecting government and the institution of government and doesn't attack our institution or his own attorney general or compare himself to nfl athletes and create conflict for no reason. this is a country that deserves better leadership than we have right now and president obama's is witness to why we should and could be doing letter and why this election is so important in 2018. >> and you're going to see he keeps making the case because it is all about 2018 and that is what the president said this morning, david. but i'll play also how president trump then responded this afternoon to president obama. >> i watched it, but i fell
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asleep. i found he's very good. very good for sleeping. >> so president trump tried to dismiss president obama. and what do you think the impact is of obama getting back on the campaign trail for republican voters in 2018? trump supporters and others? >> you know, kate, this is really fascinating to me. president obama on a campaign trail is another injection and infusion for the trump base. and i'm trying to figure this out. do democrats in the washington establishment wasn't trump and the republicans to do well in the midterms because you have mr. or mrs. anonymous in the op-ed and now president obama on the campaign trail which is an injection point and the deep state anonymous situation and now president obama. it's just like you are giving the trump base more fuel to actually have a shot in the midterms. and look, this is all about getting out the base and i have
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to tell you, with president obama, he has a ceiling. what i mean by that is, the democrats are already enthused. if the anti-trump venom is out there, we know that. they will show up regardless of president obama on the campaign trail. it is up to the white house, president trump and mike pence and the others to make sure that base turns out and matches it or exceeds it. >> that is interesting, keith, what do you think? >> donald trump iss -- is incredibly unpopular and his base will support but our democratic base is -- even though it is excited and motivated doesn't have anybody to respond to donald trump on the same level of donald trump who is at that presidential stature so having president obama speak is incredibly important. remember he got 69 million votes when he ran for office. more than any other person that have run for office have gotten and when he left the office he was at 58% and i'll take my
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chances between donald trump and barack obama speaking at the same time and that motivates democrat voters to turn out and that is incredibly important. >> it is interesting, we saw a microcosm of two americans in the sound bites. you saw president obama talking kind of a -- a little bit of a highbrow. it is very -- intellectual and all of that and he's wonderful and all of that. when it comes to the words. and that appeals to a lot of folks. but then you have trump is like i was sleeping through it and that appeals to a lot of folks too. because he's a billionaire who talks like a cab driver and if mitt romney had that skill he'd be president of the united states today. so you have two different americas out there that are seeing and hearing two completely different things. >> i will say as the observer, i hope it is not two different americas. i hope you can say -- >> they see two different things. >> i want a president who doesn't sleep through a speech or a cabinet meeting and stays away. >> can i say something real
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quick -- >> to stay awake and pay attention to read a book or briefing. this guy is too -- too asleep at the wheel to be able to do his job confidently. >> one of the first things, keith, that had you said was that, you know, it was nice to hear president obama complete a sentence, we don't hear that often or whatever it was. it is like a ha ha line and a serious line but that is the type of stuff that trump voters here, where you discount -- >> i don't care what the trump voters. they will thing whatever -- >> hang on, pete. >> and here is -- >> and discounting what trump voters voted for in this president and also when you start to do those type of lines, you're really kind of not just demeaning him, but the folks that voted for him and -- >> but what about all of the times -- >> and a slap on all of that. >> and david, think about how many times president p president trump on twitter has attacked hillary clinton, barack obama, the nfl players, people who were celebrities who have nothing to do with politics. he's completely attacking americans all of the time and
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nobody saiding -- said anythingt and when barack obama speaks out and they should -- >> we need to not think about it that way. >> i will just say that -- >> final thought. >> -- the reason donald trump is president after barack obama in a liberal culture, it went one way and also politicians, both republican and democrats for decades have been saying they will get their agent together and they never did and voters said we'll try something different and donald trump is different. >> and that is what 2018 is about. do people like the act of donald trump or is it time -- as midterms do that they're going to be up against a whole -- a whole heck of hurt if the democrats win the house. guys, great to see you. thanks so much. clearly obama still gets people talking. we'll continue doing that. "outfront" next, roger stone claims randy credico was his back channel to wikileaks and today credico met robert
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tonight another associate of roger stone, a long time confidant of president trump testified before the grand jury today. does this mean stone is a target? jessica snyder out front. >> how did i ever the hell get involved in this mess?
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>> comedian and host randy credico incredulous he was called to testify before robert mueller grand jury. credico arrived at the courthouse with his therapy dog bianca and told them about the relationship of roger stone. stone claimed credico was his back channel to wikileaks founder julian assange during the 2016 campaign. credico has denied he was the intermediary and assange was a topic of inquiry of prosecutors inside of the grand jury room. >> i could go back and do what i was doing before. and that is advocating for the release and the freedom of julian assange who is a very close friend of mine. >> reporter: his court appearance is another sign that mueller's team might be moving in on roger stone. stone first attracted scrutiny in 2016 when he claimed to be in contact with julian assange and made this prediction on twitter that october.
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wednesday at hillary clinton is done. hashtag wikileaks. soon after stolen e-mails from clinton campaign chairman john podesta were published via wikileaks and used as campaign fodder by trump. >> i love wikileaks. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence has since concluded it was russian intelligence that hacked democratic targets and used wikileaks to spread the material online. and while stone admitted he previously communicated with one of the hackers that claimed responsibility, stone denies he had any knowledge of the hacking. >> i'm not involved in any collusion or coordination or conspiracy with the russians or anyone else. and there is no evidence to the contrary. >> the atmosphere was very -- >> reporter: credico isn't the only stone associate being questioned about prosecutors. prominent conspiracy theorist jerome corsi was called to come before the grand jury but arranged a volunteer interview instead. he wrote an article on march
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2017 that explained he was the source who told roger stone wikileaks would soon publish the damaging e-mails from john podesta. corsi has been questioned about the fbi but his attorney insists he had no communication with julian assange or wikileaks or guccifer 2.0. >> so while all of this seems to point to the conclusion that mueller's investigation -- investigators are circling in on roger stone, stone insists he still has not been contacted by the special counsel and he stressed to cnn that he has no prior knowledge of hacked e-mails and was not involved in any potential collusion efforts related to the 2016 campaign. kate. >> jessica, thank you so much. "outfront" tonight, randy credico, the associate of roger stone who testified before the mueller grand jury today. mr. credico, thanks for coming in. >> yes. in the words of ronald reagan, there you go again, calling me an associate. i'm not an associate. people keep lumping me in as an associate. >> and what would you prefer?
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>> someone i've never for 16 years but not an associate of roger stone. that is a mischaracterization. >> someone you've known for a very long time. >> yes. >> and you said earlier today you were asked about your relationship with roger stone in the grand jury. what did they ask you about that relationship? >> well i will say this, that the preponderance of the questions today were about roger stone and my relationship with him. but i really can't go into the substance because i was there for about two or three hours and, you know, i was told by my lawyer i have a big mouth not to talk about the substance of that questioning today. >> i wonder why? was there any restrictions put on your -- put on you by the mueller team? >> no. there is no restrictions and i'm still subject to recall. and we'll see what happens there. and plus today also got a e-mail
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from the senate intel committee that they now want to interview me and i guess i'll be getting a subpoena from them soon. >> did they say on what specific topic? >> no, they didn't. my lawyer got one in the middle of the grand jury appearance today. he got an e-mail from the senate intel committee so it was kind of shocking because i went out for a break and he tells me that like midway through the appearance. >> but i'll say, other people who have been interviewed by robert mueller's team, they have spoken out about the questions asked, the characterizations that have happened from inside of the room, the answers they've offered. why are you hesitant? >> well, because i think we should just let it play out. i'm not some of the other people that want to get on and -- you know, they like the attention. i don't like this kind of attention. i was in show business for 25, 30 years. i like that kind of attention. and i'm not yearning it right now for this.
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not something i kind of by happenstance v fallen in. it is like a forrest gump or a zelig character, from the idiot just fell into this story here. >> how would you describe what kind of questions you were asked about julian assange today. >> nothing. it was really nothing about assange. there were no questions about assange. maybe, you know, did i meet with him at one point -- it had something to do with stone and not assange. there you go, he illicited out of me that was a question but assange was not really part of the inquiry. >> you previously denied being the back channel between stone and assange. did you say that under oath today? >> probably. you want me to say -- yes, i definitely was not a back channel to julian assange, if there was even a back channel to julian assange. >> and you said that under oath today. they asked you that and you said that. >> yes. >> why would stone say you were
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his back channel then? >> you're going to have to ask him that and i'm sure he'll be out in full force with a lot of his friends, some of the alt right guys will come out attacking me for, you know, throwing cold water on this entire stone narrative. >> did you get the impression inside of the room today that mueller's team thinks you are -- you in fact were the go-between, even though you dep yifed it, did you get the impression they were pressing you on that fact? >> you are very good there, kate. let me see. i really can't say if they thought that i was -- i doubt if they thought that i was. this is a very professional group. you take a look at senate and house and it is -- it's a lot of grandstanding and in the senate intel committees. i think these people know everything already. >> that is interesting -- >> all of the information. >> that is interesting and i want to ask you about that
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because other folks who have spoken to mueller come out and they describe it it is frightening how much information mueller and his team had going in. did you get that sense? >> i wasn't frightened. i had my dog with me and i want to thank the mueller team for allowing my dog to come in. and by the way, the dog was not seen by the grand jury. i didn't bring it in as a prop. i brought it in in a very discrete bag and she was under the table. but they are -- it is a very thorough and professional investigation and nobody is grand standing there like they are in the house and the senate and i probably will not appear before the senate. we're going to fight that if we get a subpoena. >> so it was an invitation and you're not going to go unless you are forced. >> even if i'm subpoenaed there is a good chance i will not participate in that circus. >> did you get a sense in the room today that roger stone is in trouble? >> you know -- >> give me your gut. >> in my gut, is he in trouble? look, all you have to do, you
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have a coloring book, i don't need to give you crayolas to fill in the blanks. look at the last year of the stories that i'm involved in and the stories he's involved in and put it together yourself. but i really am not going to talk about it too much. i want -- just let it play out. let this whole thing play out and i want to get back -- because i said today, i want to get back to where i was before this thing came -- >> it might be a while before you do that. but let me ask you really quick. the difference between how you felt going in and the how you felt leaving, do you feel now that you are -- have more or less legal exposure that you're facing? >> i think i'm -- i think i'll be fine, i haven't done anything wrong. i think i will be fine out of this. >> that is why i asked. do you think roger stone will be fine? >> is roger -- i don't know. i really can't tell you. you would make a good prosecutor, i'll tell you. but i don't know what is going on. i'm not going to disclose too
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much of what happened. i did enough right now and i -- you can talk to my lawyer about that. right now, what i have said, they're going to be angry with me and so now i'm nervous about that. >> i wouldn't be nervous. i'm just asking for honest answers and there is no problem or getting in trouble if you give honest answers. >> yes. i'm giving -- i gave honest answers today. i was not in a position to purger myself today. they ask me questions and i answer them and not going to subject myself to perjury. >> randy credico, thank you for coming in and we'll follow up on the senate intelligence committee. >> thank you, kate. up next, the trump campaign aide who triggered the fbi investigation into trump's campaign. he was just sentenced and now george papadopoulos is speaking exclusively to cnn. plus the provocative tesla ceo elon musk latest stunt has a lot of people wondering, honestly, is everything okay? >> tobacco and marijuana in there. that is all it is.
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campaign adviser george papadopoulos. papadopoulos was just sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to investigators about his contact during the 2016 campaign with individuals tied to russia. trump tweeting this in response, 14 days for $28 million. $2 million a day. no collusion. a great day for america. cnn jake tapper spoke to papadopoulos ahead of his sentencing. take a listen. >> when did you first meet donald trump? >> march 31st at the national security mosting. >> there is a photo of you at the table and candidate trump is there and senator jeff sessions is there. what was discussed at that meeting in terms of russia, in terms of mosting wi-- terms of meeting with putin. >> as far as i remember, it was i that brought up anything regarding russia and a individual i met in rome, the so-called professor was able to
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provide high level connections in russia that would result in some sort of summit or meeting -- mostly for a photo op. so i sat down and i looked the candidate -- i looked at candidate trump directly in his eyes and said i can do this for you if it is in your interest. and if it is in the campaign's interest. and the collective energy in the room of course there were some dissenters but the collective energy in the room seemed to be interested. >> the collective energy. was donald trump interested? >> the candidate gave me sort of a nod. he wasn't committed either way. but i took it as he was thinking. >> senator jeff sessions was there, too. >> yes. >> at the table. what was his response? >> my recollection was that the senator was enthusiastic about a meeting between the candidate and president putin. >> so you say that then senator
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and now attorney general jeff sessions was enthusiastic about the idea of candidate trump meeting putin but he has said the exact opposite. he says he testified before congress saying that he, quote, pushed back when you raised the possibility of a meeting with russia. that is not true, you're saying. >> i don't remember that. >> don't remember him pushing back. >> no. >> you don't think he it was a good idea. >> i remember him being enthuse aftdic between the candidate and president putin after i raised the question. >> jake is joining me now. jake, it is really interesting interview. what else did he tell you? >> there is so much. one of the big revelations is that in addition to telling alexander downer the former australian ambassador to the u.k. about the fact that he had heard russia had hillary clinton's e-mails, he also told us in this exclusive interview
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that he also told the greek foreign minister in 2016 that russia -- he had heard had hillary clinton e-mails and co incidentally the next day that greek foreign minister met with vladimir putin. in addition, papadopoulos's life and you have to watch the whole documentary, the hour-long special to get it -- the impression of what is going on. but there are so many odd characters that come in and out. there is so much stage craft and spy craft going on and suspicion about this person and with israeli intelligence and this person with russian intelligence that enter his life. it is really quite a story. >> the so-called coffee boy breaking his silence. it is great to see you, jake. and don't miss jake's interview airing in a special report tonight at 11:00 p.m. on cnn. "outfront" next, tesla visionary ceo elon musk lights up. >> it's legal, right. >> totally legal.
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>> reporter: he is one of the world's most successful ceos, with a net worth estimated at more than $20 billion. so when elon musk started smoking a joint on comedian joe rogan's podcast, people noticed. >> probably can't because of stockholders, right? >> i mean, it's legal, right? totally legal. >> okay. >> how does that work? do people get upset at you if you do certain things? it's tobacco and marijuana in there. that's all it is. >> reporter: it's just the latest bizarre incident for the high profile ceo of tesla and spacex. he's had a couple of turbulent months. >> alcohol is a drug. it's been grandfathered in. >> reporter: on the same day the podcast was published, tesla's chief accounting officer announced his resignation. he did not cite the incident. last month during an emotional interview with "the new york times," musk said 120-hour workweeks were taking a toll on his physical health. "i've had friends come by biwho
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are really concerned" he said. some are concerned about his use of the prescription drug ambien, which musk admits he sometimes takes to help him sleep. a little red wine, vintage record, ambien and magic, he tweeted last year. the 47-year-old engineer has been called the real life tony starks better known as ironman. but his reputation taking serious hits. >> he is a great tech visionary. it's not clear that he is necessarily a great business leader. and i think that's the fundamental problem that's he's running into right now. >> reporter: musk's judgment was also questioned when he announced he want to take tesla private. the company lost nearly $2 billion last year and has never earned a profit. amid a chorus of criticism, he reversed course, saying tesla will remain public. and even his admirers had to be dumbfounded when he attacked one of the british divers who helped rescue 12 boys this summer trapped in a thailand cave. after musk proposed using a
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tonight, the guessing game apparently no one can resist. here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: it is without question the question of the summer. who do you think wrote the op-ed? momentary stumped silence on the street. and on tv? thinking could be this person or that person. it could be a lot of people. >> it was written by the secretary of. >> reporter: endless speculation. ♪ who can it be now >> reporter: punctuated by some daring to name names. >> i think it fits dan coats like a glove. >> suggested it was kellyanne conway. >> i think it was mr. vice president. >> reporter: his suspicions raised by the op-ed's use of the word "load star." a weird word that the president favors. >> you are a load star. >> reporter: but could load star be a loaded word, pointing to kellyanne conway? >> she is the kind of person who would find out that mike pence
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used the word load star a lot and put load star in to try to pin it on mike pence. >> reporter: colbert claimed he had an exclusive with anonymous. are you mike pence? >> no, i'm not. even mike pence's silhouette is white. >> reporter: on the betting site my bookie, people were putting their money on pence. omarosa offered a multiple choice survey. the vice president's chief of staff came in first. but enough of the whodunit. let's move on to who denies it. for instance, the vice president. >> he done it. >> reporter: he denies it. >> he done it. >> reporter: he denies it. >> yep. >> reporter: spraying the walls of denial. >> it was not them. ♪ it want me ♪ the words that i told her, it wasn't me ♪ >> reporter: someone tweeted a live look inside the white house as theytried to figure 80 who
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wrote the op said. before figure out how to sate. >> anonymous, anonymous, gutless. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. who do you think wrote "the new york times" op-ed? >> very smart people. >> reporter: new york. >> i am going to leave that there. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening from washington. anderson is off. i'm jim sciutto. after raging about it almost nonstop since it was published, president trump now wants to make a federal case out of that critical opinion piece written by one of his own senior officials a criminal case. and he is also talking about sicking the feds on the newspaper that published him. there is also breaking news out of the white house with sources telling cnn they have narrowed down the list of who they think wrote the op-ed to just a few people. details on that in just a moment. the piece ran, as you know, in "the new york times"

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