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instead resign? and how dave these conversation happened already already? here's a statement from the white house that reads, in part, at the request of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, he and president trump had an extended conversation to discuss the recent news stories. they will meet on thursday. thursday's a big day. while the circumstances of a possible exit are unclear, this news comes three days after that explosive report that rosenstein considered wearing a wire to record president trump. and not only that, apparently discussed invoking the 25th amendment to remove him from office. the deputy ag has forcefully denied those claims. we also know rosenstein met with the white house chief of staff, john kelly, at the white house today. rosenstein is now back at the department of justice and that is where we find cnn justice reporter laura jarrett. laura, it's 2:01. lots can change, has changed all day. what are your sources telling
you at this very moment? >> well, at this very moment, brooke, the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, is still on the job. he is not been fired. he has not resigned. it's been something of a whirlwind all day with various conflicting reports coming out of the white house and the justice department. just to level set for you how this all began was friday with that bombshell reporting from "the new york times" about the deputy attorney general musing about wearing a wire and invoking the 25th amendment. he went to the white house late friday. he issued a stronger denial saying he never actively thought about wearing a wire or never thought about removing the president from office. but clearly conversations all weekend long between him and white house officials, namely john kelly. here is where the stories start to diverge a little bit, brooke. our understanding is that the deputy attorney general did consider resigning. did have those discussions about what that might look like but he
really wanted to control the timing. he really wanted this to be on his own terms. for whatever reason, john kelly, at least according to our reporting, indicakaitlan collin reporting, that he believed he resigned, or that was the plan. that's not what i'm told. he wanted certain conditions. those weren't met. the white house wasn't willing to go along with that, so he went over to the white house today, expecting to get fired. because the white house wouldn't agree to his terms. now, of course he has come back to the justice department here after that meeting. he even stayed on for another principals' committee meeting at the white house acting as if this was a regular monday. of course, it was not. everything is still very tenuous at this moment, brooke, as we wait to find out what will happen over the next couple of days. of course, he now has this meeting scheduled with the president on thursday, brooke. >> you mentioned kaitlan collins. we've heard what you've heard.
let's go to the white house. before we do that -- laura, thank you. before today's development, regarding rod rosenstein, president trump in a pretaped interview would not flat out say if he would fire rosenstein in response to that bock shell "new york times" piece. >> i don't want to comment on it until i get all the facts. i haven't gotten all the facts. but certainly it's being looked at in terms of what took place, if anything took place. he was hired by jeff sessions. i was not involved in that process because they go out and get their own deputies and the people that work in the department. >> so, that was the president. here's kaitlan in washington, d.c., with the white house. we heard laura tell the story of justice. you've been hearing from your people at the white house. what's the deal? >> we're getting a lot of different stories. laura laid it out perfectly but the white house's version is rod
rosenstein during a conversation with john kelly on friday, when kelly, one of those few people still at the white house, president trump was traveling across the country, that rod rosenstein offered his resignation to john kelly. john kelly was under the impression he accepted that resignation and now we're dealing with this minute-to-minute drama in washington right now as to whether he was pushed or jumped, essentially. with this meeting set for thursday. as you heard from the president there during that interview with ger aal geraldo, he's voicing skepticism about that bombshell "new york times" piece that rod rosenstein wore a wire when he met with president trump and he tried to coerce certain cabinet officials to invoke the 25th amendment to force president trump out of office. we knew president trump was skeptical of that reporting because it's based on andrew mccabe, who was fired. a lot of people predicted in the aftermath of that story that had trump would automatically fire rosenstein because he's long
talked about his displeasure with rod rosenstein. there he was voicing a lot of skepticism that he we heard from his allies, not making a decision on whether or not he was going to fire rosenstein, but also playing the other side of the card saying it was jeff sessions who picked rdz rosenstein and i have no involved l involvement there. what we do know is the white house has set up this meeting between trump and rosenstein. rosenstein and the president did speak earlier today. the white house said it was at the deputy attorney general's request, when he was over there in the west wing meeting with john kelly, who is one of the few officials in the west wing because most senior staff are traveling with president trump at the united nations meeting in new york. that is another contributing factor to all of this chaos we're seeing surrounding this situation and whether or not rosenstein still has a job. we hear that skepticism from the president about that story. we could likely see that on thursday when they sit down
one-on-one. we know about this president, one thing he has a problem is confronting people in person and firing people in person. when he sits down with rosenstein face-to-face, and rosenstein who has denied twice the reporting in "the new york times," will the president believe his denials enough to keep him on in this job? that's the question we'll be waiting to see. it will be a very big showdown on thursday here in washington with that happening on one side of the city and the other side of the city, brett kavanaugh and his accuser testifying on capitol hill. >> my goodness. we got all that, extraordinary job, thank you so much. let's break it all down here in the ramifications, the consequences of all of this. two great voices. cnn chief political correspondent dana bash and medicolegal analyst michael zeld zeldin. wrapping your heads around what we've heard, dana, let's cut through all of this to you.
the arc of the story, you have "the new york times" bombshell story on friday. monday morning rod rosenstein rolls up to the white house, has this conversation with the chief of staff. we now know at rosenstein's request he'll be at the white house on thursday with the president. play this out for me. what are the different directions this could go? >> well, number one, probably the most likely, if you're kind of looking at all the facts that both laura and kaitlan just laid out about the reality of how not just the white house feels but more importantly how rod rosenstein feels in his approach to this, saying kind of, i think i'm done here, that that will be the case on thursday. kaitlan made another important point. that is that we do not often see the president himself the one to fire somebody. having a face-to-face meeting, unless rod rosenstein is still in the sort of head space of i'm
done and i can't work under these conditions nor do you want me to, maybe that will be the game-changer, the face-to-face meeting with the president who tends to have other people do the firing, despite the fact that that is the catch-phrase he was most known for before he was president of the united states. a few other data points i was told from republican sources. first that it's not just the white house that rod rosenstein has to deal with. it's also capitol hill. he has a lot of enemies, particularly in the conservative house freedom caucus, who have wanted him to be gone for some time, who are going to likely start demanding that he, rosenstein, come to the hill and testify under oath about whether he said the things in "the new york times" about the fact that he was going to wear a wire and the 25th amendment. not that he didn't say them --
at least we know he did, but he said them in aid serious manner not a sarcastic one. the other dynamic is the pressure the president is getting from the other side within his same party, which is just don't do anything now. just everybody take a breath. we have midterms in six weeks. independent voters are apoplectic about the chaos in washington. this will feed into that. these are the dynamics we have to keep in mind that are very much involved in the answer to your question. >> and when we say the name rod rosenstein, michael zeldin, i don't know if that's a household name. i think it's important underscoring that this is the guy in charge of the special counsel investigation, right? so when mueller ultimately writes his report, it will be this person's decision on whether to direct this, right, if it goes to congress or what to do with the conclusion fromle mueller. how could rosenstein's dismissal, resignation, affect
the overarching investigation? >> the overarching investigation will go forward. we know jay, counsel to the president said this morning, i believe, if rosenstein is fired or otherwise resigns, then they're going to argue with mueller that they take a time-out as the next person to succeed rosenstein will have to get up to speed about what has happened over the last 14 months, which isn't in the president's interest, i don't think legally, to delay this thing. >> but what if this person's -- can i just on that same thought, what if this person's interests are more of a ten on this is a witch hunt scale versus a one and more in the president's interest in that regard? >> well, that's a very interesting question. under the special counsel regulations, when mueller completes his report, it's a confidential report to the deputy attorney general,
rosenstein. if the justice department refuses to allow mueller to do something, say, subpoena the president for testimony, then that disagreement has to be documented and sent to the ranking members of the house and senate judiciary committees and the chairman of those committees. so, if you put someone in that place who is sort of, you know, more inclined to protect the president or intending to protect the president by cap tating mueller's investigation in some way, it could trigger an unintended consequence of a whole report going public much more, you know, sort of quickly and in a much more contentious way. so, i think the president, if he listens to his outside counsel, should say this is not good for me legally, as a matter of timing and a matter of substance. >> i just want to underscore why
this move is so, so big in the picture. i'm out of time. thank you for the analysis. with rod rosenstein's future essentially in limbo, one question that's emerging, as we were discussing, if he goes away, who would replace him as deputy attorney general? and what this means for the future of mueller's investigation. also unclear, the future of president trump's supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh, as new allegations surface from a second accuser. protesters today putting more pressure on key senators who will likely determine the judge's fate. and amidall of th all of this, expecting to see the president live in new york. it is a busy, busy monday. you're watching cnn. i wish you weren't so worried about moving. i'm hoping these nature sounds will help me relax a bit. at least we don't have to worry about homeowners insurance. just call geico.
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we're back now with the future of deputy attorney generals rod rosenstein, if he's fired, if he resigns, one key question would be who overcease the russia investigation? the justice department is noel francisco, solicitor general, appointed in 2017 and instrumental in relaunching president trump's travel ban. he's a former partner at jones day and previously worked in the george w. bush white house. let's go to garrett graff, cnn contributor, who knows a lot about these folks running in these circles. washington, d.c., is a big city, but it's also a small town. you tell me more about francisco and who he knows if he steps into this role? >> noel francisco, the solicitor
general, which is the person that argues on behalf of the u.s. government in front of the u.s. supreme court. it's one of the most storied roles in washington. it's right down to the traditional long-tailed garb, the formal morning jackets that the solicitors general wear at the supreme court. but this is someone who is well known in washington. someone who is one of the government's and sort of the most renowned conservative legal appellate yourists in the city. and someone who worked for george w. bush, both in the white house and in the office of legal counsel, which is one of those little known entities outside of washington that is effectively the in-house law firm for the justice department from 2003 to 2005, where he worked right under then-deputy attorney general james comey. >> there you go. there you go. so, the comey connection, but then there was also the trump presidential campaign connection because didn't he also work at
the law firm that rented -- represented trump's campaign, isn't that a conflict of interest? >> there is some reason to believe he's been recusing himself from some activities where there could be a conflict of interest with his former firm. it's unclear whether that would carry forward if he ends up supervising the mueller probe, but there is plenty of reasons to believe that he would not necessarily come into this role with the goal of kneecapping bob mueller right off the top. he has spoken in the past about the challenges of special counsels, of outside investigators in his role of executive authority. but, again, as you said at the top, these are small circles of people who have known each other, worked with each other for years. he was at olc for that famous stellar wind showdown, the hospital incident with jim comey
and bob mueller and ashcroft against the bush white house. so, he's been in the midst of these circles serving alongside at the time then-assistant attorney general christopher wray, now the fbi director himself. >> maybe -- you're saying, maybe he wouldn't kneecap mueller, to use your turn of phrase, if he were to take on this role. what about if rosenstein does get fired or resigned, how would that impact morale at doj, people who know him in those circles? >> it's really hard to say because part of the challenge right now is it's not entirely clear that the mueller probe really can be entirely shutdown. there are parts of the mueller probe sort of scattered across the government right now. remember, some of the most active investigation taking place in the southern district of new york, the top federal prosecutor in manhattan. that's where michael cohen ended up pleading guilty to those eight charges related to campaign finance violations, bank fraud, tax fraud.
that investigation still ongoing. mueller's investigation, you know, different parts of it have been handed off to different other offices, including the southern district and the national security division here at the department of justice in washington. so, mueller's investigation is no longer just, you know, bob mueller sitting by himself at an office. not that it ever really was. but it's -- it's a complicated probe with a lot of moving parts. >> thank you for jumping in on that. all eyes on washington on thursday. not just because of the story we're discussing, rosenstein meeting with trump at the white house, but also at the supreme court. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh has responded with a forceful denial to new allegations of sexual misconduct, referring to it as a character assassination. is his nomination just becoming too complicated? we'll have a live report on that next. bye. have fun.
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just in, president trump's troubled supreme court nominee says he will fight the new allegation against him for sexual misconduct. judge kavanaugh just issued a letter to senators in his defense, writing that he is the victim of character assassination. i'll read part of this letter for you. he says the coordinated effort to destroy my good name will not drive me out. the vial threats le threats.
president trump is doubling down on his support of judge kavanaugh. >> i think this could be the single most unfair, unjust thing to happen to a candidate, but i am with judge kavanaugh and i look forward to a vote. for people to come out of the woodwork from 36 years ago and 30 years ago and never mention it, all of a sudden it happens, in my opinion it's totally political. >> now the president and republican leaders are rejecting democrats' calls to delay thursday's hearing. kavanaugh's first accuser, christine blasey ford and kavanaugh are expected to testify. "the new yorker" is reporting a woman by the name of debora ramirez says kavanaugh exposed himself to her when the two were
undergraduate at yale university at a dorm party. she reportedly pushed him away, causing her to touch him without his consent. ramirez admits she had been drinking during the incident, however an unnamed classmate also told "the new yorker" that he was certain he was told either immediately or a day after the incident that it was 100% kavanaugh who exposed himself. cnn so far has not spoken to anyone who is willing to corroborate debora ramirez's story as reported by "the new yorker" so let's go to our correspondent up on capitol hill. thursday turning out to be a massive day in washington. judge cavanaugh ends this letter, i look forward to answering questions from the senate on thursday. >> that's right, brook. this is really brett kavanaugh digging in even more saying he wants to testify, he expects to testify on thursday. notable he essentially says he will not be intimidated into withdrawing his name. this letter is significant not only in its tone and how forceful it is, but the fact
that it comes on this day after there was a weekend of new allegations, which you referenced before, this letter was sent to the senate judiciary committee just a short time ago. it reads in part, there is now a frenzy to come up with something, anything that will block the process on a vote for my confirmation from occurring. these are smears, pure and simple, and debase our public discourse. but they are also a threat to any man or woman who wishes to serve our country. such grotesque and obvious character assassination, if allowed to suck, will dissuade competent and good people of all political persuasions from service. president trump said earlier today, it's totally political to white house officials. we heard from kellyanne conway saying this morning she believes this is a vast left-wing conspiracy against him. we've heard that echoed from many republicans up on capitol hill. leadership, brooke, making it very clear they're pushing
towards having that hearing with christine blasey ford on thursday as it's still scheduled. even though leadership and the white house wants to push ahead, most important out of all of this is what those republicans, swing vote republicans like senator susan collins, like lisa murkowski, what they ultimately think. of course, we're standing by for their new reaction in the face of these new accusations. >> thank you. she mentioned the key votes, speaking of senator susan collins, she's not even on the senate judiciary committee but the republican from maine is under pressure to vote no on kavanaugh to the supreme court, and it came right outside her d.c. door today. >> congress needs to make a decision now, not when everybody -- all the other republicans back down. she needs to make a decision now when it matters.
. >> we believe doctor ford! >> dozens of protesters including some students from yale, where kavanaugh was a student, held a demonstration in the hallway by senator collins' office. some were arrested. they were threatening to financially support senator collins' opponent in the upcoming election if she does not vote against judge kavanaugh if and when his confirmation goes before the full senate. let's go to the author of "the point." on senator collins, why is she under so much pressure back home in maine? >> well, first of all, because it's a swing state. it's a state that donald trump has wanted, it's a state that's competitive between the two parties. she's someone who has carved herself out as a moderate, brooke. let's go through -- if kavanaugh is committed to staying through thursday's hearing for a vote, which sounds like the better, he is, these are the people who matters. everybody else's opinion is worth hearing but doesn't matter to whether or not he gets confirmed. i want to quickly, before we talk about collins, jeff flake
is worth noting. he's on the judiciary committee. remember, republicans have an 11-10 advantage. flake, if he didn't vote for kavanaugh means kavanaugh might not get out of committee. that's important. now, collins you mentioned. collins and murkowski are the two republicans who tend to be in the middle ideologically on most issues and voiced the most concern about going -- pushing this vote, despite what we've learned. now, neither one of them has said anything yet as it relates to the debora ramirez accusation. they have both said, we need to have a hearing, we need to hear from christine blasey ford but neither have said anything. these two are the key. remember, it's only a two-seat majority. 51-49. two people go against it. it's effectively over. why does it matter? let's go to the next one. this makes me happy. this clock that i believe we have. countdown until election. this is up-to-date. i wish i had one of these in my office. 42 days. that means we're within six weeks of an election.
an election in which donald trump's approval rating among women, brooke, is 29% in the cnn poll, in which donald trump, it is expected to be a referendum on him in which house democrats have a 12-point advantage in the generic ballot. all signs pointing to a very good democratic year. there's concern among both senate republican strategists and house republican strategists how these next four-ish days play out could make it a lot worse for republican candidates. susan collins, not up until 2020, clearly concerned about what it could mean for her in not even 42 days, two years and 42 days' time. this is a huge issue. eyes of the country are on it. when that's the case, the stakes are super, super high. >> they were already so high, and throw what's happening with rod rosenstein in the mix, and my goodness, it's like it's incredible this is happening with 42 days to go. >> on the same -- on the same
day. >> on the same day. >> in washington thursday, must-see television. chris, thank you so much. we mentioned rod rosenstein, back to the other huge story of the day, the deputy attorney general here is set to meet with president trump at the white house on thursday. will the president listen to some of his republican allies advising him not to fire his deputy attorney general? we're going to discuss how likely that is to play out next. are you a christian author with
a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! i have a message for the president tonight. under zero circumstances should the president fire anybody. >> he shouldn't fire rosenstein unless you believe rosenstein's lying. he said he did not do the things alleged. >> the president tonight should seriously consider whether rod rosenstein should remain on the job. the white house should be dwoegt every resource it can to determining the veracity of this report. >> rod deserves the right to be heard. i'm sure at some point the
president will bring rod in and say, rod, if you think i'm incompetent, if you feel the need to wear a wire when you're talking to me, then why are you serving in my administration? >> that there was a handful of conservative voices who the president oftentimes listens to and, obviously, they're opining as to whether or not he should he should or should not fire his deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. this is happening as a source tells cnn that rosenstein expects to be fired after that "new york times" blockbuster report that rosenstein said he discussed secretly taping trump. let's take a deeper dive. with me, elliott berger and jennifer taub. we don't know who he's going to listen to, but prediction time thursday, what do you think happens? >>. >> i do not think rod rosenstein gets fired on thursday. i think if the president wanted to have fired him, he would have already been fired and he wouldn't have been fired by the
president himself. whether or not rosenstein resigns before thursday remains to be seen but i don't think he's getting fired. >> i agree. i think the president's m.o. he's shown us before is to try to force people into resigning rather than firing them. it's more politically palatable to do it that way and keeps him out of the line of fire. we've seen the president try to diffuse and debase jeff sessions with his tweets, hoping sessions would resign and he could put his own person in there to take over the mueller investigation. we could see the same thing happen when they sit down face-to-face thursday at the white house. putting rosenstein in an untenable position to force rosenstein's hands. >> jennifer, what do you think? >> there's not an insignificant chance that he actually will fire him. he's unpredictable. it would be a terrible idea politically that's why i think it's important for congress to act and protect special counsel mueller from being fired. >> they talked about that
potential, those on capitol hill, namely the house freedom caucus. it could go either way on that. to your point on the white house -- correct me, but you would think the white house would want him to resign versus them firing him because i'm wondering if he were to be fired, that would be another brick in the wall of an obstruction claim. >> absolutely could be. it would go hand in hand with comey. with the talks that have been out there and, again, remember, don mcgahn is cooperating and he was there when he wanted to fire mueller. he's cooperating and mueller knows that. this would be the third or fourth significant person that the president fired or tried to fire. you put it together, and it's a powerful obstruction case. >> to underscore why this deputy attorney general is key, this is the person overseeing the special counsel investigation. this is the person who takes all
the information that comes from mueller when this whole thing wraps up and decides what to do with it. >> that's exactly right. it's important to remember, this is the person that mueller reports to. for every decision that has to be made in connection with this investigation. who they should subpoena, should they subpoena the president himself, what direction is this investigation going to take? this all goes through rod rosenstein. the importance of his position with respect to the special counsel's decision can't be forgotten here. he'll get mueller's report and decide whether or not this report goes to congress or not. this is a position that needs somebody with really independence, impeccable judgment and really a commitment to getting to the bottom of this investigation. >> if rod rosenstein goes away in some form or fashion, let's say thursday, if that's what happens at the white house, we don't know, what happens to the mueller investigation? what happens to mueller himself?
>> one would hope mueller would continue on. i want to add, it's not just -- we've been talking about rosenstein overseeing the mueller investigation because of the recusal, he's also the point person on the case against michael cohen in the southern district of new york. we have that possibility that that case could also go away. i think the likelihood isn't that mueller gets fired but that obstacles are put in his way whenever he wants to pursue a particular path or question a certain witness or even indict someone. it could be -- instead of -- you know, it could be a slow-motion saturday night massacre of mueller as opposed to just firing him immediately. >> you're the second person made that reference today. did you want to jump in? >> it's important to note, the only person on the face of this planet that robert mueller reports to is rod rosenstein. if you replace that person, and the two people who could replace rosenstein, according to the order of succession here, neither of them has ever touched a criminal case from a prosecutor's standpoint. now all these moves that barrett talked about, subpoenaing the
president, these -- >> coming in cold because, obviously, rosenstein has been in this whole thing, twists and turn of all things -- >> and has to run through a person who's never touched a prosecution. we could have indictments. there's potential indictments of donald trump jr., of jared kushner. is this person going to have the backbone to say, yes, i approve an indictment of the president's son, son-in-law, roger stone. there are real questions whether the person will have the experience and fortitude. >> good point. rod rosenstein goes to the white house thursday. we'll see if your prediction comes through or not. we'll all be watching. thank you for that analysis. happening right now, president trump heading to the united nations here in new york city for a bilateral meeting as he says, another summit with north korea and kim jong-un is likely to happen soon. is it? more on that next sooner or later, we all sign up for medicare.
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. president trump is returning to the united nations one year after he rattled the general assembly with his shockingly undiplomatic stance, he referred to kim jong-un as rocket man and slammed the iran nuclear deal. and now the president is back. world leaders are wondering what to expect this time. i can tell you who things, two things have significant significantly changed since the last appearance. president trump -- actually, let's listen. >> north korea were having a very important set of discussions today, tomorrow and the next day. we've been having them for quite
some time. since you first gained office. and you're doing a terrific job. and i think we're doing a terrific job together. we've had terrific talks on trade and we'll be signing in a little while a very important trade agreement with south korea and the united states. i think it's a very exciting event. it was a long time in coming and it's a basic redoing of the agreement that was done before, which was a very unfair agreement for the united states. and i think that president moon and myself are very happy. it's great for south korea. it's great for the united states. it's great for both. we obviously talk about north korea where we're making tremendous progress. chairman kim has been really very open and terrific, frankly. and i thinken he wants to see something happen. so, we have done, i think --
mutually, we've done very well with respect to north korea. we'll be discussing that during the next couple of days. we'll be certainly discussing it now. but i just want to say it's a great honor to have president moon with us. thank you very much, mr. president, for coming. thank you. [ speaking foreign language ] >> as they're speaking in korean, i have robin wright with me, contributing writer for "the new yorker." you have the president of the
united states sit next to president moon of south korea, talking about this important trade agreement signed by the two nations. all the while i couldn't jot down but the president saying, making progress with north korea, done very well. i wonder what report card he's looking at. >> north korea is his most ambitious and endearing foreign policy initiative. he in many ways played his trump card -- bad pun -- by meeting with kim jong-un, which really gave away the one piece of leverage he had with the north koreans. they're at an impasse now in some ways because the north koreans want a peace treaty to end the war where the fighting stopped in 1953. they want to lift sanctions to develop economically. the united states wants to denuclearize. it's a chicken and egg argument, who comes first, who does what? i don't think the north koreans will want to give up on all of their weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, missiles, chemical, biological weapons, without a sense of getting
something first. and so you get into a -- that they agree in principle, but when it comes to the process, there's a breakdown. >> that's north korea. just on -- can you talk to me about this trade agreement that the u.s. is signing with south korea. >> well, president trump is trying to renegotiate trade agreements across the board with countries. of course, there are a lot of issues in terms of what south korea sells and what it sells to other parties as well. and i think this -- it gets kind of caught up in the deal with north korea. i think the south koreans want a trade deal, but they also want even more a deal with north korea to end the tensions. >> that's the -- that's the headline out of this white house. let me ask you as we're on these pictures here about iran. we know tensions are high. ambassador nicky haley and rudy giuliani do not appear to be on the same page. according to reuters.
the president's personal attorney said, quote, i don't know when we're going to overthrow them, but it's going to happen. juxtapose that with what we heard from the u.s. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. >> the united states is not looking to do a regime change in iran. we're not looking to do regime change anywhere. what we are looking to do is protect americans, protect our allies and make sure we do everything we can to stop it. >> how do you see it? where's the truth? >> well, rudy giuliani and john bolton, before he took the job as national security adviser are, both talked about wanting regime changes. so did secretary of state pompeo when he was in congress. it's clear that ideologically that's what various people very close to the president want. the administration's position is they want a change in the regime's behavior but they're not looking to oust the theocratic regime. so, there's -- it's kind of a very fine line. and there are a lot of people in washington, the foreign policy
community, who suspect that what the trump administration really would like to see is so much pressure that people rise up in iran and themselves oust the regime rather than the iraq model where the united states went in militarily. but i think the pressure is going to be increased steadily through the fall and into next year. is iran ready for a counterrevolution? i don't think so. i think this is where you could find a very ambitious foreign policy goal that's very hard to achieve for this administration. so, that's its second big foreign policy initiative that may go nowhere. >> just listening to hear if trump is speaking. what are you looking for this week? again, the. the is back. we mentioned some of his headlines from this time last year, all of these heads of state all convening in the united nations each and every year for the united nations general assembly. tensions, you know, things that have been reported out about
president trump and handling with other countries, according to this book that's recently come out by bob woodward. what will you be looking for from this president? >> the white house indicates president trump will talk about his foreign policy successes when he gets on the stage. i think a lot in the audience will be scratching their heads saying, you talk a great game but what have you actually achieved? that's where the. the in his first two years doesn't have much to show for his foreign policy agenda. he's going to talk about sovereignty, which is really framing america first to a global audience and talking about each country will be following its sovereign names, its first agenda in terms of its own goals. again, whether it comes to actually producing something, whether in the form of a resolution or a breakthrough, talk whether the president of iran or someone else unexpected, i don't think we'll see that this week. i think this is a little about trying to take command and appear presidential and global in a city that he feels like he
owns. >> what about syria? we heard today from john bolton, national security adviser -- actually, he's speaking. let's listen to president trump. >> dealing with that subject, mike pompeo has been in touch with them and we've been in touch with them. i think within a fairly short period of time, location to be determined, but we're both very much looking forward to having it. it will be between north korea, the united states, the format we had before, different location. i think a lot of progress is being made. i see tremendous enthusiasm on behalf of chairman kim making a deal and i think that's something that's very good. we're in no rush. there's no hurry. we got back three months ago or so.
i think we've made more progress than anybody's made in -- ever, frankly, with regard to north korea. i really believe north korea has tremendous economic potential and i believe that chairman kim and the people of north korea want to see that. we'll help them to that end. the relationship is very good. in some ways it's extraordinary. we'll see what happens. but we will be having a second summit in the not too distant future. thank you all very much. >> on thursday when i get back from all of these meetings. we'll be meeting at the white house and we'll be determining what's going on. we want to have transparency. we want to have openness. i look forward to meeting with rod at that time. [ inaudible ] >> what do you. to do with mr. rosenstein?
>> we'll have a meeting on thursday when i get back. today we're meeting with a lot of great people, including president moon. and we're over the next couple of days, as you know, we're meeting with many countries. today we're giving a big speech. but i'll be back on thursday. when i get back, we'll have a meeting. i spoke with rod today and we're going to have a meeting on thursday when i get back to the white house. i want to say the country, the united states, as president moon point out when we first met, the united states is doing better economically than we've ever done before. the numbers are outstanding. new numbers will be released that i think there just continue this forward march. and i think we have tremendous potential on the upside. i'm very excited about our new trade agreement. this is a brand-new agreement. this is not an old one rewritten. this is a brand-new agreement. i'm very excited about that for the united states. and i really believe it's good for both countries. but the -- the numbers that we