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been going on. for instance, paul manafort and his legal team have met with the special counsel's team for hours and hours of interviews. we know talks intensified between the president's legal team and mueller's investigators. they're having conference calls about the written questions they want president trump to answer. in addition to that, michael cohen and his legal team have also met with the special counsel's team. all of this building up to what robert mueller is going to put in this report. as you pointed out, we are expecting it before the end of the year. the big question, what exactly is it going to say. anticipation is building about whether more indictments are soon to drop and exactly what special counsel robert mueller will wrap into his final report. the report, expected after the november election and before the end of the year, will be delivered to deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. but it is up to him to decide if it will be made public for the american people. one outstanding question, how much president trump will cooperate. his lawyers are writing answers
to mueller's written question, but in a tuesday interview the president told the associated press the whole process is a tremendous waste of time, adding, we are looking at certain questions having to do with the word "collusion." of course, there was no collusion. trump offered up his strongest defense yet of his son, donald trump jr., who participated in the june 2016 meeting in trump tower with a russian lawyer with ties to the kremlin and promised dirt on hillary clinton. the meeting became about a different subject and they couldn't get out of the meeting fast enough, trump told the ap, only remfresh usesody's ion-powered melatonin while insisting his son is to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. innocent. there's nobody harder on my son number one sleep than i am. doctor recommended remfresh- if he did something wrong, i your nightly sleep companion. would have been livid. >> the phoney witch hunt, phoney witch hunt. >> despite his anger over the the breaking news tonight, the deputy attorney general rod investigation, and attorney general jeff sessions decision rosenstein strongly defending to recuse himself from it, trump special counsel robert mueller's still won't say whether he wants russia investigation as, quote, sessions out. i could fire him whenever i want appropriate and independent. to fire him, but i haven't said the investigation the president that i was going to, trump told of the united states calls a the ap. but if you ask me, am i witch hunt. let's get more from our
correspondents and analysts. thrilled? no. i am not thrilled. the other person the president jeffrey toobin, let me read a quote from the new interview isn't thrilled with? his former personal attorney, with the "wall street journal" that rod rosenstein gave. michael cohen, saying cohen's quote, people are entitled to be frustrated, i can accept that. under-oath comments he arranged i committed i would ensure the hush money schemes at trump's investigation was appropriate and independent and reach the direction were false. right result, whatever it may be. i believe i have been faithful he said absolutely he is lying and michael cohen was a pr to that. it is a pretty rare interview person who did small legal work, for him to be speaking out like very small legal work. this. first of all, what do you make cohen's lawyer, lanny davis, of the timing? defended his client, tweeting, >> well, i think, you know, both trump calling anyone a liar is a rod rosenstein and his boss, jeff sessions, they are both compliment. now, michael cohen appears to be hanging by a thread, and i think cooperating in a number of it means robert mueller is investigations. sources tell cnn he met today hanging by a thread. with state and federal you know, if the president does prosecutors who are well in the midterms, there is investigating donald trump's family business as well as his no question that jeff sessions is gone, but he may simply charitable foundation. wolf. >> sara, thank you. decide to clean house because a sara murray reporting for us. there's more breaking news on the investigation into the republican congress is not going missing journalist, jamal khashoggi, that's coming into to do anything if the president "the situation room" right now. fires robert mueller or anyone the secretary of state, mike pompeo, is slated to be back here in the united states later else. so we are approaching a very this hour, but our special critical election, not just for all of the issues that are
correspondent jamie gangel is getting new information, new familiar but also for the future of the mueller investigation reporting tonight on what happened during that meeting because that, in a way, is on between secretary pompeo and the the ballot here. i think rosenstein recognizes saudi crown prince, mohammad bin that. >> it is a really sensitive salman. jamie is joining us on the phone moment right now. right now. laura cooks, he also says this, jamie, that meeting at least at the beginning during the and i will read another quote photo-op appeared to be all from the interview. the president knows that i am smiles. what are you learning? prepared to do this job as long as he wants me to do this job. >> reporter: wolf, what i have you serve at the pleasure of the been told is those smiles ended president and there's never been at the end of the photo-op. any ambiguity about that in my this is according to a source familiar with the meeting, and mind. as jeffrey says, rod rosenstein and jeff sessions are hanging by i'm told that the photo-op a thread right now. >> they are. should not be read to indicate they're keenly aware they serve at the pleasure of the that the rest of the meeting was president, who is often displeased with both of them and friendly, not at all, that the the underlying investigation. what is most important is the meeting was blunt, direct and striking contrast in his staemts that the secretary of state about trying to infuse faith in the investigation, that american pompeo told mbs in no uncertain people should have faith in the terms that, quote, he had to own result whatever it may be, not signaling one way or the other the result, but unlike what the the situation and that every fact was going to get out about president is saying all along about it being a witch hunt, a what happened in turkey and, total scam and sham, and the fbi who are part of the probe being again, he stressed to mbs that,
people you cannot trust. you have somebody overseeing it quote, he must own the and telling the american people, you can believe in me and not the words of the president. situation. i'm also told by my source that not exactly consistent enough to give that type of faith that secretary pompeo made it very says he is not on the thin line clear that the saudis had to get with the president of the united states. >> things could quickly, sara, their investigation done very very dramatically unfold shortly quickly. he stressed that time was short after the midterm elections in less than three weeks. >> right. i think the key thing to and that the saudis had to deal with the people involved, and remember about mueller right now, you know, he and his team the quote i was given was that may not be out there releasing indictments or making public he told the saudis they have to statements but they're doing deal with them sharply. work behind the scenes. they're continuing to try to build cases behind the scenes. they're continuing to talk to paul manafort and get his i also was told that secretary of state pompeo was very blunt and he went on to tell the crown koopgs. they' cooperation. prince that if the saudis don't they're talking to michael cohen. we may see more indictments once deal with this and don't deal with the people sharply, that we get through the mid terms, and then we will see what is the u.s. will have to deal with included in the report, whether the president is implicated in %-pe anything, his family is implicated in anything, whether others in his orbit are implicated in that. action because the world will we are expecting it to come out
before the end of the year. demand it, and he said the whether the american public will see it, or we will see it, president's hand will be forced to take action if the saudis that's a different question. >> go ahead, jeffrey. >> i was going to say under the regulation mueller was appointed don't. so this is the first readout we under, that report goes to his supervisor, goes to rod are getting, and secretary of rosenstein at the moment. but if rosenstein is gone, maybe state pompeo, i'm told, went so noelle francisco, the solicitor far as to tell the crown prince general, will be the supervisor, that even if the crown prince and that person, whoever it says that he didn't know about turns out to be, will have to make the decision about what what happened or any plot happens to the report, does congress see it, does the public see it. beforehand, that the future -- that decision is, of course, enormously important. >> how is the president, kaitlan, going to react? his future as king is at stake you cover the white house, to and, quote, he has to own what rod rosenstein saying the happened. mueller investigation -- his wolf. >> you know, jamie, what was the words -- appropriate and independent and the american reaction from the crown prince, public should have full faith in the outcome? mohammad bin salman? >> well, it raises even more >> reporter: so my source would questions about what was said when the president invited rod not describe the saudi reaction rosenstein to ride with him on or the crown prince's reaction air force one to orlando during that recent trip to visit the beyond saying this. police chiefs because we know it quote, the message was received. was going to be an awkward conversation anyway because it came after the reporting that rosenstein talked about people i also asked whether secretary wearing a wire when they met pompeo felt that the crown with him and forcing him out of
prince would do anything, had office. after that flight, president trump was in a good mood, talking about the russia heeded his words, and my source investigation, saying he believes they are going to be said, quote, the proof will be treated fairly. so it raises the questions if in what action is taken now. rod rosenstein felt comfortable enough to go to the "wall street journal" and do this interview, what was said between the wolf. >> was secretary pompeo, based on the information you are president and the deputy attorney general, but also an getting, jamie, aware of how his interesting thing he says is that he thinks the american meeting was being portrayed back people are going to find what here in the united states, his they've done is warranted by evidence. meeting with the crown prince so that raises the questions of during that photo-op? what do they have left they're once again, everybody was going to come forward with that talking about how they were all he knows that we don't know, that he believes will safeguard smiles. >> reporter: so i think that my them from a negative public opinion. >> lots of breaking news. understanding is that there was we have to take a quick break. let's resume our coverage right after this. some frustration that everybody was talking about the photo-op everybody wants a new, different, and not what happened after the better world. photo-op. here's to the people who do what it takes that's why i was told the smiles to build it... ended at the end of the photo-op to keep it running. and that the rest of the meeting the people who understand no matter what the question, was very blunt and very direct. there's nothing more direct than the obstacle or the challenge, there's only one answer... secretary pompeo telling the
crown prince that his future as let's do the work. (engine starts, hums) king was at stake in how he handled this. >> secretary pompeo is now going to be meeting with the president, the president of the united states, delivering his report on his talks in riyad, saudi arabia, and in turkey as well with turkish officials. but clearly going into this we are the tv doctors of america, and we may not know much about medicine, meeting president trump is making it clear he doesn't want but we know a lot about drama. to see any damage to the overall we also know that you can avoid drama u.s./saudi relationship. by getting an annual check-up. so go, know, and take control of your health. >> reporter: so, you know, what it could save your life. we've heard from the white house cigna. together, all the way. on a political level is certainly that, but i think what is quite telling here is that secretary pompeo was very blunt and very forceful with the crown all the tools you need for every step of the way. it could save your life. make it, squarespace prince behind the scenes. what happens from here, you know, as my source said, the proof will be in what action is
taken, but behind the scenes this was a very tough meeting. >> is there a sense you're getting, jamie, in your reporting that the crown prince was aware that pompeo was delivering a specific, very blunt, tough message from president trump himself? >> reporter: you know, again, my source would not go so far as to describe how the saudis took the message or what their reaction was beyond saying, quote, the message was received. so i think we can take from that that they understood that it was -- that it was, you know, blunt, direct. you know, to say to the crown prince that if he didn't take action, if he didn't, quote, own it, that the president's hands will be forced because the world will demand it and that his future as king would be at stake, it doesn't get more
direct than that. >> yeah. clearly, if he's suggesting to the crown prince, you better deal with this, you better deal with it immediately, you better be blunt because we're all going to know what happened in any case, and if you want to some day be the king of saudi arabia we're back with our experts you have to come clean, is there and our analysts. you know, john kirby, if the a sense you are getting at all whether the crown prince is democrats win the house of going to do any of that? representatives, become the >> i think that we don't know majority, have subpoena power, that will have an enormous yet what's happening. impact on the investigations of i mean we've had a lot of all sorts of activities of the trump administration, well beyond what robert mueller and reporting about what happens next with the saudis, but i his team are doing. >> no question. they've already hinted they're going to hold lots of hearings and they're going to launch think that is still to be investigations into a lot of these matters they feel have determined. been blown over by the republican-held house. i thought it was very i think the white house has to be prepared for that. interesting that secretary of the president is announcing he will have a new general counsel, state pompeo said to the crown that individual will be a very prince, look, all of the facts busy guy trying to help navigate are going to get out, you have the white house to what is absolutely going to be a blitz. >> you know, as recently as to move forward very quickly yesterday the president,
with this. kaitlan, told the associated by saying, own it, take press this entire mueller investigation in his words is a responsibility for it and deal tremendous waste of time. with this, you know, the word that was used was sharply. his deputy attorney general certainly doesn't believe that, >> yeah. robert mueller doesn't believe it is a very delicate situation that, jeff sessions, who has right now because, as you know, recused himself, he certainly doesn't believe that. >> that goes back to what we jamie, the president and pompeo were saying that rod rosenstein and the trump administration, said in the "wall street journal", that he believes the they're getting a lot of grief public will believe there was from members of congress, not enough evidence that warranted just democrats but leading what has happened, and that is exactly what president trump is republicans as well saying, you trying to push back against, know what, maybe the u.s. should that public opinion. he is trying to win over that by just stop dealing with the crown saying this is a waste of money, it is a waste of time, it is a prince so this would not have witch hunt, which he started happened without his authority, recently tweeting about that he his authorization to begin with. had not tweeted about since now we're getting the sense that around mid-september, if that gives you any indication how he pompeo was very tough with the feels it will affect the midterm crown prince. what's the bottom line right now elections. i think it is greatly going to before i let you go, jamie? affect his party and ultimately >> reporter: i think the his agenda, so we're seeing him question now is going to be how try to rework the messaging the saudis react, what does the three weeks ahead of the mid terms. >> how much of mueller's conclusions and his work do you crown prince do. think the american public, sara, does he take secretary of state pompeo's message and run with it eventually will see? >> that's the big question. or not, and we'll know that very i think it depends on what recommendations mueller makes
and whether there's a shortly. >> is there any sense that this disagreement between what mueller thinks should happen and rod rosenstein thinks should was what you're hearing from happen. your sources, is spin because if there's that disagreement, they were getting a lot of that information has to be shared with congress. grief, a lot of bad publicity, we all know when things go to the trump administration, pompeo congress, it is more likely they will be shared with the american specifically? >> reporter: you know, i don't people. a lot of this lies in the hands of rod rosenstein and what he think that it was -- there's no decides he wants made public. question, wolf, that i think certainly, you would imagine there would be redactions, there was frustration about all of the reporting about the things left off even if they decided to release some report smiles during the photo-op. to the american people, but, you know, right now i think when you so i think that that is clear. hear rod rosenstein say, you know, i understand why people are frustrated, he's partly on the other hand, i think that talking to america who is we're getting this reporting not saying, you know, what have you guys been doing behind the scenes for so long and when are just because of spin but because we going to see what you guys have been up to, are we ever the administration wanted to get going to see what you guys have out what the substance of the been up to? we don't have a clearance on meeting was. that right now. >> all right. >> wolf, complicating matters jamie gangel, terrific reporting further, there is likely to be as usual. thank you very much. if you get more, let us know. more than one report. in the meantime, i want to bring as i understand it, there is a report in the works that will -- in our senior white house is fairly close to being done about the issue of obstruction of justice, about the firing of correspondent jeff zeleny. what is the latest you are james comey and whether there getting where you are? was any attempt to interfere
>> reporter: wolf, as jamie was reporting, that meeting between with the fbi investigation. secretary of state mike pompeo and the crown prince certainly that's one part of the report. is going to be something that the secretary of state is going but that's only -- that does not to come back here to the white house likely tomorrow and brief deal with the question of what the president on, but the went on during the campaign, the president not showing any sign possible collusion with the russians. of stern words towards saudi that's a separate issue. as i understand it, that report arabia. he's very much keeping an open is not ready. mind and a wait-and-see so, you know, the complexities approach, if you will, not even saying if he is relying on u.s. grow as the number of reports intelligence here but saying he grow. >> it is certainly an important is waiting on the completion of case. go ahead. an investigation. >> you are talking about now, we should point out, wolf, reports. remember, one way the american people would be able to we are about 15 days into this or so, so the idea that this is substantiate with evidence is through indictments. when i hear the word "evidence," still being investigated raising eyebrows here, but it is also i think about not a report raising eyebrows about the issued to congress or maybe president's america-first policy withheld from congress, i think and people are wondering if it about the type of talking means the u.s. moral leadership indictments that have been released through muller and his is still front and center in team. when i hear rod rosenstein talking to the american people, that. president trump denying tonight you will have confidence because the u.s. is trying to help saudi there's evidence to support it, you don't have evidence to prove arabia coverup its alleged something that did not exist. you have something to prove involvement in the apparent murder of journalist jamal something actually happened. i think indictments are fror khashoggi. >> no, not at all. i just want to find out what is forthcoming based on his happening. >> reporter: despite mounting statements along. >> on top of all of this, the evidence of the saudi kingdom's
hand of disappearance and president's long-time fixture suspected dismembering of the and lawyer michael cohen, we're told he has been meeting with columnist in istanbul, the president taking a wait-and-see federal prosecutors from the southern district of new york, approach even as he touts the the new york attorney general's office, there could be charges importance of saudi arabia's involving the trump organization, members of the relationship. >> saudi arabia has been an trump family, charitable important ally of ours in the middle east. i want to find out what organizations involving the happened, where is the fault, trumps, you know. and we probably will know that the president told the by the end of the week. associated press, well, he was a >> reporter: in the oval office very, very low level guy, he today, the absence of u.s. moral distanced himself from cohen. leadership on clear display. the president would not say why how worried should the president be about this? the u.s. is waiting for a saudi >> i think the fact he is investigation rather than talking about this shows how relying on u.s. intelligence. worried he is and concerned he >> he wasn't a citizen of this is. we have the mid terms coming you country, for one thing, and we have. are going to determine that. he knows all of this is playing you don't know whether or not we out there. i think his reaction i a lone have, do you? tells you it is on his mind as >> reporter: well, i -- >> no, but do you know whether it should be. >> jeffrey, what do you think? >> i love the donald trump -- or not we have sent the fbi? >> reporter: have you sent the who is this michael cohen of fbi? >> i'm not going to tell you. whom you speak? why would i tell you? michael -- who is this person? >> reporter: tonight, secretary i mean, you know, this was a of state mike pompeo is right-hand man, if not the returning to washington after a fact-finding mission to saudi right-hand man, to candidate trump and real estate developer arabia and turkey. talking to reporters in trump. he's the one who went to russia istanbul, he defended the u.s. decision to give saudi leaders to negotiate about a possible
time and space. trump tower in moscow. >> it is not about benefit of i mean he is someone who is the doubt. it is reasonable to give them a handful of days more to complete centrally involved in all of the it so they get it right. >> reporter: as the diplomatic president's most private business dealings. and political crisis deepens for he's the one who did the stormy the white house, a growing course of republicans saying the president is not doing enough. daniels agreement. >> i don't think he fell through so, you know, if he knows a hole in the space-time something that improper dealings went on, he's going to be continuum. i think he's dead, and i think telling it at this point. the saudis killed him. >> yeah. all right, guys. stick around. we will take another very, very with the exception of israel, i quick break. lots more right after this. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 trust every country in the middle east as much as i trust gas station sushi. >> reporter: i hope he is listening to all of that information, not just the arguments coming from saudi officials. >> reporter: since choosing saudi arabia last year as the site of his first foreign trip when we switched our auto and home insurance. as president, trump worked to form a strong rapport with the with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. kingdom, showing little if any hey! oh, that's my robe. scepticism of saudi leaders. is it? >> i hope that the king and the when you switch to liberty mutual, crown opinions didn't know about it. you could save $782 that's a big factor in my eyes, and i hope they haven't. on auto and home insurance. >> reporter: that interview with and still get great coverage for you and your family. fox business today only the latest in the president's media call for a free quote today. blitz, doing a crush of
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the president. the president has made clear on laughter...music...life... prior occasions he doesn't like the fact that special counsel call now for your free hearing test from an industry leader: bob mueller was installed at the miracle-ear. hands of rod rosenstein, and on other occasions he has made clear he doesn't like the fact his attorney general has recused himself. he said just recently that he's not thrilled with his attorney general's performance, so it is unclear what is going on. sometimes people go to the media because they want to stand up for their own, you know, conduct and the things that they have dedicated themselves to. sometimes they want to speak to an audience of one, that audience of one being donald trump. what i can say is, you know, i think it is good that he issued that message, rod rosenstein issued that message. it is a good, strong statement that he has not wavered from the thing that he did almost a year and a half ago, which was to appoint and to protect the appointment of the special counsel. you will remember that that occurred in part because of -- you know, you could say a screw up on the part of rod rosenstein in the first place. he wrote this memo that was reported to justify the firing of jim comey on grounds that were not the grounds that donald
trump ultimately relied on to fire jim comey, and then the firestorm that ensued over the course of six, seven, eight days of rod rosenstein who had been lauded as sort of a non-partisan u.s. attorney who had served multiple presidencies through different party affiliations, he decided to right the wrong and did one of the most powerful things you can do, which is to appoint bob mueller. i think it is consistent of him to stand up for what he thinks he did that was correct, and i think it was correct. >> you know, it is interesting because this is a lengthy interview that he's granted to the "wall street journal". he says the robert mueller investigation in his words is appropriate and independent. that's clearly in sharp contrast to what the president of the united states keeps saying, including today he calls it a witch hunt, says it is rigged. he also says -- this is very significant -- that the american public will have faith in its findings, the find ins of tings mueller investigation. clearly the president of the united states is not ready to say that. >> well, the president of the united states will have faith in any investigation that doesn't
touch him or doesn't touch his associates or doesn't touch his relatives. he has faith in people and in we're back with our conclusions that assist him, and correspondents and our analysts. john kirby, our jamie gangel, he has no faith in investigations and conclusions that hurt him in some way. so it is not a principle-basis you heard her exclusive report on which he decides what is to be favored and what is to be disparaged at all. we have seen it time and time from a source about the meeting again. someone is an ally if they're on his side and someone is a foe if between mike pompeo and mohammad they've chosen to speak up in a bin salman. he was tough with the crown way that offends the president prince saying he has to deal in any way, shape or form. with the situation quickly, own so i think we'll see what the situation. what do you make of it? >> i hope it is an accurate happens, but i think it is important that rod rosenstein said what he said. portrayal of what happened when >> yeah. he also said, i try very hard to the cameras left, that's what should have happened. i hope they took those words to ignore media speculation about what we're doing and focus hope and i hope the trump instead on what we're actually administration means what it says, that they're going to hold doing. we sit down every day. them to account. we work towards the goal of i understand the difficult position they're in, the saudis theent did, tthe department, try to ignore the are a key ally and helpful in inevitable attention in the media. the president is clearly not syria and against isis, but we going to be happy with rod rosenstein after this interview. have leverage and we should hold bottom line, what do you them to account. anticipate he will do about it? i think the relationship will be >> tweet, i guess. different as a result of this he'll take to twitter like he one way or the other. often does. the question is how different and what does it mean for the
it is an odd relation someplace with rod rosenstein because it alliance going forward. seemed they had sort of made up. >> sara, the details we are they kept postponing, you know, learning about khashoggi's the summit over mineral water apparent murder are gruesome, they were supposed to have at and i don't want to discuss the the white house. details. but if there's a direct link to the president ultimately said that he doesn't have the beef the crown prince, that has with rod rosenstein. enormous ramifications for the these things, you know, go day by day. i have said before on this program and other places, on overall u.s./saudi relationship. >> that's right. monday he loves you, on wed not only was it a gruesome act but a brazen act for them to do wednesday he loves you, on it when they're trying to friday he fires you. reinvent themselves, going on a it could be that rod rosenstein doesn't see himself lasting long publicity tour saying, lo at the and he wanted to put on the the record, you know, what he thinks -- look at the reforms we have and say it in strong terms for people who are in the special made. they have a relationship they counsel's office to have faith built not only with president that their work is protected and trump but with jared kushner. respected and the people in the justice department as a whole. you point out that the u.s. has you know, 100,000 employees who leverage in this situation, but you don't get that sense when believe in the rule of law and you hear donald trump talk. equal application of law like to >> yeah. >> you know, he talks almost hear from their leaders, often like we're backed into a corner don't hear from people like jeff when it comes to the saudis and sessions who look like they're there's nothing we can do. that is not the reality in the sort of tiptoeing around, trying to maintain their job without situation. >> not at all. >> kaitlan, you have been doing overly offending the president a lot of reporting on jared while at the same time trying to kushner and his role in all of carry out the president's this. policies. >> well, he does have really maybe it was that. close ties with the crown
it is ironic a little bit for prince, who is known as mbs. him to have said in the interview that you keep your he messages him on what's app. head down and not pay attention to speculation in the media he convinced president trump to while he is talking to the media make riyad his first destination and while he is causing people like yourself and myself to for his first trip as president. engage in speculation. he hosted him at a dinner here >> you know, it would be highly in washington a few months ago. they have a really close extraordinary -- you tell me relationship, and you are seeing him back off all of that now because you know a lot more about this than i do -- if that there's the scrutiny and it immediately after the midterm is becoming a diplomatic crisis. elections, in less than three that's because he doesn't want weeks, that the president fires jeff sessions, the attorney the backlash. that's why white house officials say he's not been involved with general and rod rosenstein, the the way the administration is deputy attorney general. handling this. how likely, how possible would behind the scenes he is helping shape this, telling mbs they that be? >> look, i thought it was likely need to call for an investigation, but we're not he was firing both of them seeing him on the front lines multiple times over the last with this at all. >> why did he go with the several months, including two secretary to riyad? >> white house officials were weeks ago. so it is hard to predict. scared there would be a backlash predictions i think are a problem these days. given his close relationship i would not be surprised if one with mbs if he traveled with the or both of them go, in secretary of state. particular in the case of jeff >> frankly, he had no place sessions. i think the president has signalled that over and over going. >> but he is a major liaison to again. i think his language about jeff sessions has been especially harsh. the crown prince. >> he is the major liaison. i think it also depends on woo the results of the election are. >> but he shouldn't be in that i think most people don't think role. it is pompeo ease job to do that the senate will change that. hands, but if it does, then that >> jeffrey. >> is there anything that
might, you know, stay the qualifies jared kushner to be president's hand because it will be harder, you know, to put dealing with these issues? someone else in position because he is an unsuccess file real estate developer who inherited you have to be sen at confirmed. if on the other hand republicans millions of dollars and married the president's daughter. gain seats and have a stroinger he is unqualified and it is majority, maybe the president thinks it is easier to remove gross nepotism and it is an embarrassment he has any power jeff sessions. i think it is clear from the at all, much less this critical statements and from the attitude area of the world. and the repeated back and forth >> between the president and jeff he's cultivated this close sessions, it is more -- not so relationship that he thought was back and forth, it is more back, going to be beneficial to this role and this administration ask not forth. now we're seeing they're trying but the president would prefer to have someone else in that to backtrack off that now that they're in the spotlight and position, and the question for even president trump is getting him is how much fall-out can he really frustrated by the news sustain, and maybe he wants to coverage of this and the idea wait and see what happens in the mid terms before making that that he and jared kushner have decision. >> i suspect you're right. this cozy relationship with such a repressive regime. as recently as yesterday in the that's the problem they're facing here. ap interview the president was but as far as pompeo, we're seeing a lot of scrutiny on him, making it clear he is still so someone who has been trusted as angry at jeff sessions for this tough guy and now he's the recusing himself from the overall russia probe. one seen there smiling with him today. he couldn't even answer the very we will see what happens, any basic of whether or not this reporter is dead or alive, dramatic developments. saying that they didn't want to thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. the breaking news continues. next with more on the new details of robert mueller's talk about facts, they being the saudis, and neither did he. timeline. how much of the special counsel raises a lot of questions since work will the american people that's the guy coming back to brief president trump and other
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reports of atrocities are rampant. matt rivers went to myanmar to investigate. he's joining us live with an exclusive report from beijing. matt, what did you find out? >> reporter: well, wolf, basically this trip is all about myanmar's government trying to change the narrative that's been accepted by the international community that you just laid out. so they invited us in, we listened to what they had to say, we judge it on its merits and we make a conclusion. here's our story. these people are rohingya muslims. some of those who fled from what the u.n. calls a genocide. myanmar's government wants you to believe it never happened. >> we are afraid our life. >> reporter: to meet these people, it took several days and a rickety boat ride to get to this part of the state in remote western myanmar. so, foreigners aren't allowed in this part. the only way we're here is on a government escort.
we're only taken where authorities want us to go. our first stop, a village where there used to be more than 600,000 rohingya. the government says their forces did respond to terror attacks by rohingya extremists in 2017, but that the down their own houses. so, this is what's left of the rohingya village that was here. it's completely overgrown. it's hard to tell that there were any structures here at any point. the only clues we have to the violence that took place here are trees like this one, still a year later burying the scorch marks of the fires that burnt this village to the ground. clear evidence shows it was the rohingya who were the main victims of slaughter. ten rohingya men were hacked and shot to death by myanmar soldiers, a massacre the military has admitted to, and that two reuters journalists were jailed for investigating. the u.n. says 720,000 rohingya fled when violence broke out
last year. a full u.n. report documents how the military and local groups engaged in rape, torture, and the murder of at least 10,000 people to get rid of the rohingya, a group many in broader myanmar regard as sub-human noncitizens. >> translator: regarding the army, they did everything within law. we cannot comment on whether it was right or wrong. >> reporter: the question is very simple. do you believe that genocide happened here or not? >> translator: i'd say genocide didn't happen. >> reporter: myanmar's civilian leader, nobel peace prize laurea laureate a laureate also denies genocide. these refugees are not allowed across the border into bangladesh. they're staying put in part because security forces that would oversee their return are some of the same people accused
of carrying out the killing in the first place. the conditions inside that camp are obviously horrific. there's no access to education, no health care, no electricity. food is scarce. and yet still, they'd rather be on that side of the fence than this one because they're too afraid to come back. myanmar might continue to deny ethnic cleansing but the evidence gathered by the u.n. and others is overwhelming. a government-sponsored trip does nothing to change that fact. and so, wolf, clearly myanmar's sticking to that story but that certainly doesn't mean that we or anyone in the international community has to buy it. now, moving forward, in addition to being scared for their lives, the rohingya also want citizenship rights in myanmar and they want to go back to their original properties, but myanmar's government has said, well, that's not going to happen, so how do we move forward from here? there's no clear path. these hundreds of thousands of people who are in horrific conditions right now are likely to remain that way, wolf, for a
long time. >> what an awful, awful situation, a brutal situation and we'll continue to follow this story. matt rivers, thank you so much for reporting on this. we are grateful to you and to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. "erin burnett outfront" with jake tapper tonight starts right jake tapper tonight starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com exclusive new details on secretary of state mike pompeo's meeting with the saudi crown prince, what really happened behind closed doors. plus, "out front's" race of the day, cruz versus o'rourke. will beto o'rourke's new attack strategy work or is it too little too late? and the secret service stopped him from questioning jared kushner on a plane last night and he has the video to prove it. cbs correspondent errol barnett is my guest. breaking news tonight, exclusive details, just