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this is "cnn tonight." i am don lemon. president trump employing a last-ditch effort to change the conversation just days ahead of the midterms. he's attempting to paint a group of migrants hundreds of miles from the border with a broad and scary brush. and what was billed as a policy speech from the roosevelt room today, the president proposed no actual policies. listen to what he said. >> there's nothing political about a caravan of thousands of people and now others forming pouring up into our country. we have no idea who they are. >> did you catch that?
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the president admitted we have no idea who they are. then why does he keep calling them invaders? if there is nothing political about it, why is the caravan brought up in every single campaign appearance the president makes. a slow-moving group of asylum seekers, asylum-seeking immigrants? walking with strollers and suitcases. not an invasion. repeating a lie does not make it truth. with the midterms just five days aw away, the president is attempting to scare people to the polls. let's discuss that. will it work? what's going on? answer the lik is here, molly ball, as well as larry sabato. good evening. thank you so much for coming on this evening. david, i'm going to start with you. i just want to know do you think this plan the white house sat down and came up with or did they come one this or is the president going with his gut and what's worked before? >> look, the president is comfortable, don, talking about immigration, and until it doesn't work for him i think
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he's going to continue to do it. if we go back a couple of weeks, republicans and president trump were very happy with the narrative coming out of the kavanaugh hearings. they were spooling up this talk about globalists and about the carav caravan then all of a sudden with the bombings the week before last and the tree of life massacre the narrative changed and we heard the president lamenting that the news wasn't about what he wanted to talk about. so in the last couple of days to sort of make sure he got the news back on immigration his topic of choice he first floated this idea about birthright citizenship and then this ad his campaign has released. and finally now today, as you said, a campaign speech disguised as a policy speech where he wanted to ratchet up sort of maximum fear of undocumented immigrants coming across the border, something that can be discussed and talked
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about in a rational way, not as invaders, not as people needing 15,000 troops on the border, but i think the president feels like he won in 2016 with immigration at its core and until he loses an election on immigration that's what he's going with. >> molly, the president is making 11 campaign stops today through election day. but arizona and nevada are missing from that map. sources are telling cnn's jeff zeleny that trump has been asked to stay away from those tight senate races. is his message hurting republican candidates, do you think? >> in the places he's going they obviously feel he's helping, but it is revealing, as i am not the first to note, that the places he's going are places where he's popular and republicans are probably going to win anyway. there are a lost of strategists, republicans and democrats alike, who wonder if he isn't a more galvanizing figure for the other side than he is for his own side. we've seen how energized democrats are to vote in this
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midterm election 37 we'll find out for sure on tuesday. and the president and some of his advisers have been telling themselves that their best hope is to increase republican base turnout to try to match that democratic enthusiasm. but it's not clear that the president doesn't actually motivate more democrats when he goes to a particular place than he does republicans. in a place particularly like nevada or arizona where obviously there is a large section of the electorate that is latino, those are places where republicans would prefer not to have the president going in and potentially stirring up more democrats. >> let's bring in larry now. the president's divisive language on race and immigration plays well in some parts of the country but not everywhere. where could it alienate voters? >> it alienates voters in the high college-educated suburbs that are at the heart of the house districts that may very
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well turn the house over to the democrats. and don, i really think there is a calculation here that no one's talking about. certainly the white house won't. they would never concede that the house has lost in advance and most of their base believes there's going to be a giant red wave. you know, we've all gotten those e-mails and tweets. but i think they have made a very back decision. you may not like it but they decided to save the senate. that's what this is all about. he is campaigning in all those deeply red straights that probably will allow the republicans to keep the senate, maybe even add a seat or two. as long as he has the senate, he feels like he can get through the next two years, get his court appointments, his cabinet appointments, and he'll have the house to beat up on. you know, he likes to have a juicy target. and they'll provide it. >> i think your analysis is right on there, larry. david, is the president just focusing on immigration because it worked for him in 2016? you said he's going to continue
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to do it, he'll use immigration as long as it works. obviously, he's thinking it will work again. >> first of all, i agree with larry that this is a focus in the final days on the senate. republicans feel better about that. democrats feel a little better about the house. and the president knows he's got to at least hold on to one house of congress -- >> let me just say this. >> sure. >> remember 2016, right? >> right. >> but we actually don't really know what's going to happen on tuesday night. right? >> no. >> so go -- that's the common wisdom with the polling. right. >> yeah. conventional wisdom i think in 2016 was tested and defeated. i'm suggesting republicans feel better about the senate and democrats feel better about the house. neither party. especially democrats right now who control neither house nor the white house should get cocky about anything. leader pelosi the other day saying i think i'm going to win, was a political mistake,
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prematu premature. you don't want to give bulletin board material to the other side. and she like you say, don, doesn't know what's really going to happen. really quick just let me answer your question on immigration. the president, although as larry says republicans are facing trouble in some house districts, the president's approval rating is right around where it was on inauguration day. he's got his base with him. that's number one. and number two, the democrats have a plus 8 i think or plus 7 1/2 in the generic congressional ballot. but that's not the same as having that kind of lead in especially these red states where a lot of democrats are up for re-election in senate races in red states and these house wins even if democrats wins are going to be much closer. >> i've got to go to the polling guy since david got us there. larry, in your latest predictions you switch ratings for four house races. is that good news for the republicans or is that good news for the democrats? >> it actually kind of washed out, don. but i'll tell you. on the whole, when you talk even
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to republican analysts you can detect that they're a little bit pessimistic to a lot pessimistic about keeping the house. now, when they talk about the individual races, they give you better adds for their individual candidates than they do for keeping the house as a whole. i think it's conventional wisdom and i certainly remember 2016. i think everybody in our business who predicted a hillary clinton win remembers 2016. but you know the good side of this, don, it's that everyone should know that nothing is over until the final poll closes and nobody's going to be overconfident this year. and that's going to encourage a higher voter turnout, maybe on both sides. >> i'm going to give you the bulk of the time after this one. i just want to know from larry why you switched steve king's seat in the house. you switched from likely to leans republican. why did you make that move? >> we did it because he is
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getting a lot of blowback even in his own district from the outrageous comments that he has made. and i don't know anybody, even in the republican hierarchy, who doesn't think his comments were outrageous. he was denounced by the guy rung the republican campaigns who's a member of the house of representatives from ohio. we lowered it because we learned when a major controversy breaks on an incumbent right before the election they may not lose but it's going to be closer than it usually is. you've got 61% the last time. he's looking at a closer race. >> molly, i see you shaking your head. do you want to respond to that one? >> i wanted to respond to what we were talking about earlier, this argument about immigration. it is a really interesting test of this immigration message. it is a pretty exotic theory that this is a winning message for republicans, to go all in on this very hardline, very extreme immigration message. it's a political strategy that probably steve king, a couple of president trump's advisers, and
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apparently the president's gut believe but it's noting? that i think most conventional republican political strategists would advocate, this extremely divisive and as you've said fear-mongering message because as larry was saying before, this doesn't only alienate, you know, latino voters who may see themselves perhaps or their ancestors reflected in the people in that caravan. it's all kinds of voters. it alienates suburban voters. it alienates educated voters. it alienates republican voters. we have all kinds of data that says that most americans are not really there for a message quite this far out on immigration. and yet the president is determined to make this the closing message for the entire republican party. and we'll see if like 2016 he's got an instinct that's better than the entire sort of conventional political class on this. >> and it's interesting molly because -- go ahead. what did you want to see? >> i just wanted to jump in real quick. i really do agree with what molly is saying there and certainly polling bears out that americans are not by and large looking for the type of
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solutions that the president is proposing. i will only say, though, that in an election where -- we're at the point where this is not about persuading people. this is about getting your base out to vote. minds aren't changing now. it's who will come out to the polls. i think that's where they -- >> i just have a couple seconds left. speak of that, 23 million votes have been cast already. people have made up their minds in many states. for both parties. they've managed to get people out to the polls early. or to vote early. >> sure. and early voting is something that has been increasing nationally and in many states and jurisdictions for years now. but look, we see that a midterm election is always a turnout election. people have made up their minds, yeah, but they haven't necessarily made up their minds to vote. and we have seen democrats champing at the bit to vote in a lot of these early special elections and virginia election and so on. as david was saying, the republicans are hoping that this fear-based strategy can energize
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enough dispirited or complacent republicans or republican-leaning independents who might have been thinking about staying home or assuming because of the president talking about a red wave that their vote wasn't needed. trying to get those people off the couch, and we'll see if it works. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. from the president's tweets to russian botts on social media-r we at a point where propaganda and lies pass as truth?
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there is a down side to the internet echo chamber. let's discuss with frank bruni of the "new york times," mike d'antoni is author of "the truth about trump." good evening. there's a method to our madness. i have you here because you wrote something about this. your piece is titled "the internet will be the death of us." and you said -- at first i was like the death of the u.s.
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and you say it is a tool for learning, roving, and constructive community building, but it's unrivaled too in the spread of lies, narrowing of interests and erosion of common cause. please give us some examples of that. >> with the internet we are now individuals are kind of curating their information diets, they're curating their news consumption in a way that they can tune out anything that doesn't fit their pre-existing worldview. they can tuck themselves into echo chambers where they only hear what they already believe, what they want to believe. and we've recently had two horrifying examples of this. i'm going to say his name wrong, but cesar sayoc, who sent the pipe bombs -- allegedly sent the pipe bombs. and then robert bowers with the massacre in pittsburgh. in both cases those men spent enormous time online. and what they were doing online was they were finding communities of people who believed in the same dark things they-d who reinforced their beliefs, who colored them darker still, and we have to ask some really serious questions.
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about whether people who are already prone to hate are actually being pushed all the way to violence by the encouragement, by the reinforcement that they get online. >> have we reached a point -- even here, i'll just speak for myself. we'll present factual information, back it up with examples, right? concrete empirical evidence. and people say oh, that's not true or it's fake news. it's like what are you talking about? i'm often shocked by the amount of propaganda that people believe. have we reached a point where propaganda can pass as true? >> here's why that happens. i was thinking about this when watching cnn earlier this evening. on anderson's show he was going through the lies in the president's speech, for lack of a better word, on immigration today. because the internet gives you all of these kind of tiny niches you can go into, because even the tv dial gives you so many options, you can tell yourself you're extremely well informed because you have all of these sites bookmarked, because you're
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following these 100 people on twitter, because you're watching some tv. but you can never stumble across a show that's actually giving you objective dispassionate facts. and so you end up, what the internet does for you is you end up overfed and undernourished. >> hmm. inundated but not necessarily informed. >> but not informed. >> ah. did you want to say something? >> i think that's a brilliant analysis. and i was speaking with someone earlier today who actually had been hired by facebook years ago when they were hoping to consider looking into the news diet that people were getting on facebook. facebook brought in a whole bunch of journalists. these were professionals at actually informing people. and within a year they fired them all. they decided that they were going to buy into this utopian idea that the internet was going to provide us with a plethora of sources and everybody was going to be very keen on informing themselves.
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well, really, people separated themselves into tribes. and now the tribes are getting more and more exclusive. donald trump would like an eck owe chamber of one so he could hear his own voice all the time. >> well, speaking of this, let me ask you this because you know him very well. you're the biographer. he's got 55 million twitter followers, right? he capitalizes on that reach to reach out to his base. but he doesn't like to use e-mail. i'm not sure if he has an e-mail account. but it's widely known in the white house they print out e-mails and documents for the president to read. how does he get to twitter? >> well, i think that's a technology that he's mastered because it matters to him and it's only a limited number of characters and words. he actually, if you think about it, is a 1970s tabloid -- >> i just had a question in my head. but go on. no one wants to hear more of what donald trump has to say about himself than -- go ahead. >> he's writing "new york post" headlines circa 1980. this is how he's always thought.
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and he's always mastered these niches -- >> there's another reason he loves twitter, which is it provides this instant odometer of approval. you sent out the tweet and you look oh, who liked it, who shared it. it's a wonderful instant feeling of validation if you're someone like trump. >> he told me he was going to run for president in 2014 based on twitter. he said everybody's telling me to do it. he knew at that time that half of his followers were bots. he went out and purchased millions of followers in the philippines and other places. so the bots were telling him to run. but that really was him telling himself to run. >> it's interesting to me because i just -- i don't even read the comments anymore. i may as well turn the comments off on all my social media. people say did you see sxuch is & such -- i'm like no, why are you reading that? who cares? >> yeah, you get that into your head it's a big danger. but there's one other crucial
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thing about social media we have to say. not only can you use it to follow people you agree with but the algorithms encourage that. if i like something, i'm going to see more from that person, more of that kind. it takes a narrow interest of yours and it makes it narrower and narrower until you are just spinning in a rut. >> they even send you ads, if you clicked on something on the internet. like i bought a backpack the other night. i'm like okay, i bought one, i don't need any more backpack ads. >> but next you'll get other mountaineering gear, ads for those things. but they're forcing you into this limited neighborhood where you're only going to see reflections of yourself. >> you're just backpack man. you're backpack man. >> it's interesting because we talked about this racist ad that the president retweeted yesterday, and it's interesting he would use his twitter page to put out something that many people are saying worse -- >> interesting is a kind word.
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>> that's worse than willie horton. but it's also a straight line to others, not only his followers, and i say followers, right? notice i didn't say supporters. followers because that's what it's become. but to every journalist who then amplifies what he says, even if it's right or wrong, even if it's embellishment or a lie, people are still amplifying it. in many ways we do that here on cable news too because we put it on, we run it and then people believe it before we have a chance to fact check it. >> yes. or at least he sets the terms of the conversation. this happened tuesday. at the beginning of tuesday we heard he said with an executive order i'm going to end birthright citizenship. he's not going to be able to do that. i don't he believes he can do that. but for 24 hours what were we talking about? immigration and birthright citizenship. victory donald trump. >> exactly. and i'm going to do the tax cut. people still believe those things. i was listening to at my home last night randi kaye's story on anderson's show.
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and to listen to the people in the crowd what they believe, well, he's going to chait whole birthright citizenship. you realize he can't -- no, he's going to do it. do you think it's an election tactic so close to election day that these people aren't anywhere near? no. they believe it's imminent. the folks actually believe it. >> they believe that an invasion is imminent. they believe that our troops need to be -- >> because he said it. >> there are people who are now talking about sending drones to interdict the caravan 500 miles into mexico because they're panicked about this fake invasion. >> i would challenge everyone to just try to walk 500 miles and see how fast you get to somewhere. 800 miles. or 1,000 miles. >> this is the world we -- this is donald trump's mind that we're all living inside of. >> he has created this narrative that has at this point in terms of the caravan no relationship whatsoever to the truth. >> none. >> but he said -- what did he say? i tell the truth when i can. >> which apparently he can't do that very often. >> i've got to run.
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we'll continue this conversation. maybe one day over a snowy fire or something. snowy fire. it wouldn't be a snowy fire. a snowy day by a fire. thanks, guys. with his racist comments catching up to him members of his own party turning against him, eight-term iowa congressman steve king is facing what's shaping up to be the battle of his political life.
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republican congressman steve king increasingly under fire for his racially charged remarks, hardline views on immigration and diversity, and comments that many consider hateful. and now he has serious competition in this election. i want to talk to rebecca bassu now, a columnist for the "des moines register." so good to have you on. i've got to say -- >> thank you, john. good to be here. >> absolutely. you have been following steve king for years. you wrote a great piece in the "des moines register" and it's entitled "steve king's base shows cracks over his rhetoric on immigrants, kavanaugh investigation." so you spoke to some republican
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voters who say they're now supporting democratic congressman j.d. shelton. why is that? >> you know, it's very interesting. he has had such a loyal base of christian conservative republicans in his western iowa district. and what is happening is some of those very same christian conservative republicans are take great offense now at the way he's talking about immigrants because some of them have adopted children from other countries. and when steve king makes these remarks about we can't preserve our western civilization with other people's babies that's now very offensive to them because it hits them where they live, in their homes. so i think there are a lost decent people who live in his district who have just been profoundly misguide by his rhetoric, people who have not had a lot of contact with people of color or immigrants before
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and now they're not quite sure whether to -- he's very good at stoking fears, and they're really not quite sure how to think about their neighbors anymore. and the irony of this is that western iowa's towns would be emptied out if it wasn't for immigrants and there would be nobody to work in the meatpacking plants. >> interesting. >> so they have this incredible dependence on immigrant labor and immigrants rebuilding small communities, pop laith the schools, putting in small businesses, all of that, and yet king continually tries to say divisive things about how mexicans don't have the same values or they're mostly drug runners, they're involved in crimes. >> he also said he wanted immigrants to assimilate to american culture and not to try to reverse it. but i kind of ask you -- we talked about scholten, right? he is outraising king, the campaign tells our team they took in 800,000 from 24,000
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individual donors in 72 hours. that is really astonishing. and he's winning more newspaper endorsements. is all of that enough to get him over the line do you think or do you think most people are still all in for king? >> i don't know how much of a difference that makes in king's district. i think it makes a difference everywhere else in the country. everyone is talking about steve king and his diatribes. but i don't know that more ads, which scholten can certainly afford to buy now because of all of the national attention, is what it's going to take in the district. on the other hand, i think scholten himself is a very convincing character. a very convincing candidate. he is 38 years old. he doesn't have a high profile. he's not been one of the people who went against king previously who didn't get much traction was the wife of the former governor, tom vilsack. and that just didn't go anywhere. most of these races he's won by about 20 points.
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>> but this one is really close, right? >> this one is really -- if you look at scholten's data, it's a one-point race. if you look at king's recent data, it's an 18-point race. >> i want to get this in because this may explain some of it. this is representative king losing his cool today when someone asked him at a forum about his history of anti-immigrant rhetoric. watch this. >> you and the shooter both share an ideology that is anti-immigration -- >> do not associate me with that shooter. i know you were an ambusher when you walked in the room. but you get no answer -- >> i was about to ask you what distinguishes your ideology. i was about to ask you what distinguishes your -- >> no. you're done. you crossed the line. it's not tolerable to accuse me to be associated with a guy that shot 11 people in pittsburgh. i am a person who has supported israel from the beginning. a link to that nation is a link to my life. i will not answer your question,
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nor listen to another word from you. >> wow. he responded by tweeting the video and then adding "leftist media lies have reached peak insanity and compared me to the evil pittsburgh murderer of 11 jews." i mean, it sounds like he is not accustomed to being challenged because he shut that guy down. that guy was calm and he was losing it. >> well, he doesn't allow himself to be challenged. he refused to debate scholten. there have not been any debates with scholten because he generally refuses to debate his opponents pen does not come into the editorial board anymore. he used to come in for regular interviews, endorsement interviews. he was even once endorsed by the "des moines register." but he won't come in anymore now. he says, and you'll be interested in, this he says liberal media like cnn and the "des moines register," left-wing bias, so i won't talk to them, i can't talk to them, everything is lies. what's interesting about that go-around with the man who was asking him the question is that
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i think the man very appropriately quoted -- started out quoting something king has said about other cultures, other people's babies and so on. king took offense at linking athat understandably to the synagogue shootings. but king has never taken offense to those remarks being brought up to him again nor has he taken offense to being called a white supremacist or like toend a white supremacist. until this year when there's some concern on the part of his campaign that it might backfire. i have for a long time been talking about his white supremacist views in my column and i've never gotten any pushback about it. but this time there is some. in fact, king was on a local -- >> i've got to run. i'm out of time. but go ahead, finish your thought. >> okay. i was going to say he was on a local tv news program about a week ago in which he said what's so bad about white supremacists? three years ago that wantds even
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text "listen5" to 500500 to start your free trial today. the race for governor of georgia is one of the most closely watched battles as we head into election day. it's neck and neck. both candidates bringing out heavy hitters to help get out the vote. vice president mike pence stumping for republican mike kemp and oprah stumping for democrat stacey abrams and making an impassioned plea to voters. >> for anybody here who has an ancestor who didn't have the right to vote and you are choosing not to vote wherever you are in this state, in this country, you are dishonoring your family.
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you are disrespecting and disregarding their legacy. their suffering and their dreams when you don't vote. >> hmm. let's discuss now. keith boykin, alice stewart, amanda carpenter. amanda's the author of "gaslighting america: why we love it when trump tries to -- or lies to us p." either way. keith, what can oprah do for stacey abrams, do you think? >> oprah can do a lot pf take the state of georgia. georgia is 32% african-american, 51% female. oprah has a great deal of resonance with both of those communities because of her popularity, her tv show. and she's out there campaigning, knocking on doors. she's drawing attention to the race, creating publicity for stacey abrams. i think she's already having an impact in a very tight race. any little bit helps, and oprah will help. >> alice, you know, mike pence, the vice president, was in
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georgia on behalf of brian kemp. he mocked stacey abrams for being bankrolled by hollywood liberals. watch this. >> i heard oprah's in town in tonight. i heard will ferrell was going door to door the other day. well, i'd like to remind stacey and oprah and will ferrell, i'm kind of a big deal too. do you get that? and i got a message. i got a message for all of stacey abrams' liberal hollywood friends. this ain't hollywood. this is georgia. >> all right. okay. first of all, oprah's oprah, not
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mike pence-s from the south. second, the president is a celebrity as well. what do you say to that, al snis. >> it's good to see that mike pence and ron burgundy were both there campaigning in georgia. don, i was born and raised in georgia. i know that state very well. and oprah hit on a very key issue that resonates with georgia. she says if you don't vote a certain way you're dishonoring your family, you're not supporting your family. that's the way it's been for many years in georgia for democrats. they felt -- zell miller exemplified this. born and raised as democrats. but georgians finally realized i'm actually conservative, i support life, i support immigration reform, i support second amendment rights, i am actually a republican. and that's why georgia took this shift. and that's the values that people are going to vote for -- >> alice, can i just correct one thing, though? because you said oprah said if you don't vote vote a certain way. she never said that. she said if you don't vote. she was speaking about the fact that african-americans had to fight for the right to vote.
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>> or women. >> women too. but she didn't say if you don't vote a certain way you're disrespecting your elders. >> also, alice, i'll let you finish, but she also said that she's a registered independent and she had voted republican in some races and democrat and that she owned her own mind and that you can vote whatever way you want, you don't need a political party to tell you which way to vote. i don't think she was talking about democrats. she was talking about people whose ancestors had not been able to vote. >> she made a very, very articulate case on that. and it was a great speech. it was very motivating. but she was clearly there for stacey abrams, as she made it quite clear. and she was smart to avoid talking about the issues because she was there to motivate voters on their emotions. but this was a clear contrast today between stacey abrams, who is there being promoted and pushed by oprah winfrey who's a very articulate spokesperson for her. but she was pushing stacey
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abrams, who supports socialized medicine, she supports open borders and she supports tax hikes, as opposed to mike pence who was there for kemp, who supports immigration reform, second amendment rights and life issues. two very stark contrasts. donald trump won georgia by five points and that is the message that resonates with georgians. and i think that will steer clear. >> i want to get alice in here. but -- i mean excuse me amanned p. b amanda. but she said she doesn't support open borders. and she supports the second amendment. >> she wants gun control. >> that doesn't mean she doesn't support the second amendment. >> come on, alice. you're better than that. >> i think we should take a second. this speech by oprah was very well received. i think mike pence is a little mad they lost kanye. so we won't hold that against him right now. >> a little shade by you and keith. >> why was this a good speech? oprah, there's this big debate going on among democrats whether
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they go low against donald trump or they go high or whatever. look at oprah's speech. she gave a very political speech that wasn't partisan. it was extremely accessible to anyone to listen to. but it was very much aimed at women and minorities. but it wasn't over the top. it wasn't race baiting. she told a story. and she talked about the importance of voting. and she said this woman shows my values, and that's why i support her. and it was a beautiful speech. and i think everyone felt good listening to it. to me it was like a breath of fresh air. i'm very curious to know what republicans oprah has voted for. but i think people who want to campaign against donald trump should study that and see how she did it because she's an expert. you want to know how to reach out to suburban women? she is the queen. she's cultivated it with her talk show for years and years and years. and she knocked it out of the park. it was beautiful. >> okay. thank you. listen, you guys stick around. we're going to talk -- what you should know about voter
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. all right. tonight a federal judge denying a motion seeking to open a second polling place in dodge city, kansas. a lawsuit was filed because the only polling place in the city was moved out of town. i'm back now with everyone. we've got to get through this quickly. short answers, please. alice, dodge city, kansas 60% hispanic state, a state where the secretary of state kris kobach is in a dead heat with lori keller for governor. how is it moving the polling place weeks before the election outside of dodge city, how is it fair to these voters? >> they had restrictions that applied topher person across the board in the zriblth, and i think it's important to realize when we're talking about all of these states that these rules
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apply across the board. and having served as deputy secretary of state in arkansas, free and fair elections require certain things and that is the integrity of our voter laws, making sure that the polling sites are free and fair and equitable and make sure that we have voter i.d. laws that are equitable across the board. and that is the best way that we can make sure that our elections are free of -- and integrity. >> so keith, this new site is literally in the middle of nowhere. it is a mile from the nearest bus stop. very difficult to get to without a car. blatant attempt to suppress hispanic vote? >> it's equitable that every person in this area has to go and travel a long way to get to a polling place because they just happen to be hispanic. it's the same crap that they tried in georgia and they're doing in north dakota and texas. it's not equitable. and the problem is it's targeted. laser targeted to get african-americans and hispanics and people of color not to vote. >> amanda, this is the kicker. msnbc's rachel maddow sent a producer to check out the original site because it was
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supposedly inaccessible due to construction. here's what she saw. this is three days ago. does this building look completely blocked off to you, unable to be accessed? and by the way, maddow's producer also learned that there are a number of events that are scheduled at the civic center between now and election day and right after. what's going on here? >> yeah, i think that kansas state officials are going to have some explaining to do. if you're going to close a polling site this close to an election you have to accommodate people either through buses or some kind of accommodation to make it easy on them. springing this on them at the last minute just doesn't pass the smell test, especially considering the building looks fine there and there are events there. >> i don't know. >> and we have to -- >> i've got to go. thank you. great conversation. we'll see you guys soon. don't miss cnn's special report "democracy in peril: the war on voting rights" tomorrow night at 11:00 eastern. thanks for watching. our coverage continues.
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