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down to the wire. two presidents hit the campaign trail in georgia. >> the character of our country is on the ballot. >> that state will be in big, big trouble quickly. >> will georgia voters embrace president trump's message or will they flip the state blue. stacey abrams joins me next. >> plus, clousing arguments. president trump stoking fear to turn out his base. >> democrats want to totally open the borders. >> as democrats face a big test
at the polls. >> we democrats have to make it clear who we are. >> which side will get out the vote? the chair people of both political parties are here to make their cases. and state of play. only hours away from one of the most highly contested midterm elections in history, we'll break down the key races with the latest analysis, what will the balance of power look like wednesday morning? >> hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is on the edge of our seats. the polls officially opened for midterm election day in less than 48 hours. voters will deliver their first verdict on the trump presidency and test the democratic message, the stakes are enormous for both parties. president trump fighting to keep republicans in control of congress. democrats trying to take back that power and significantly curb president trump's agenda. now, with time running out, both sides are relying on their biggest political stars to try to turn out the vote.
former president obama on the trail, offering withering criticism for his successor, the likes of which we haven't seen a former president do since maybe herbert hoover in the 1930s. >> when words stop meaning anything, when truth doesn't matter, when people can just lie with abandon, democracy can't work. >> president trump meanwhile rallying his base, talking about undocumented immigrants and the threat of the caravan. >> if you want to protect criminal aliens, you should vote democrat. if you want to protect law-abiding americans, vote republican. it's really very simple. >> today, president trump will be in georgia campaigning to win one of the tightest and most closely watched races in the nation. the battle to be georgia's next
governor. joining me now, democratic candidate for georgia governor and former state house minority leader stacey abrams. we did invite abrams' opponent brian kemp to join us but he declined this sunday as well as two previous sundays. president trump will be in georgia campaigning for your opponent. here's what the president had to say about your candidacy early this week. >> she's not qualified to be the governor of georgia. not qualified. >> what's your response? >> he's wrong. as president obama pointed out, i'm the most qualified candidate running. if you look at both my academic background, my work history, i have been deputy city attorney. i was the democratic leader for seven years. i have been successful as a business woman, as a writer, and as a tax attorney. i know what i'm talking about, and i have the plans to prove it. >> what do you make of his attacking you that way? >> i think that they can see the same numbers we're seeing. early voting is up dramatically.
we have a plan in place for remarkable turnout on election day. we have folks knocking on doors across the state of joerma, and i think they're getting scared. i think desperation tends to lead to comments that aren't necessarily grounded in reality. >> you're running for georgia governor. i was curious about your reaction to something a former governor of georgia said last night. take a listen to secretary of agriculture sunny purdue at a campaign event for ron desantis. he's running against tallahassee mayor andrew gillum. >> public policy matters. leadership matters. and that's why this election is so cotton picking important for the state of florida. i hope you all don't mess it up. >> this election is so cotton-picking important to the state of florida. did you have any reaction to hearing that? >> i think that there is certainly a throwback element to the language that we're hearing coming out of the republican party that is unfortunately disparaging to communities. it may be unintentional, but it
signals a deeper misinformation about what andrew gillum can accomplish, what i can accomplish, and what we're going to do is stand on our records and our plans and win these elections. >> president obama hit the trail for your campaign in georgia this week. he recently made headlines after calling medicare for all a, quote, good new idea. you have not expressed support for medicare for all, at least not right now. why do you think president obama is wrong? >> i don't think that he's wrong. i think as a national conversation, there certainly should be an ongoing review of what medicare for all can do, but a single state cannot make that change. georgia does not have the financial capacity to provide that type of coverage. that's a federal conversation. i'm running to be the governor of the state of georgia. we have to do the fundamentals including the expansion of medicaid. that's how we provide access to health care. that's how we reduce costs, how we protect pre-existing conditions. my focus is how i can serve georgia and that means a focus on medicaid expansion. >> let's talk about that, you
want to expand medicaid. you said it would cost your state nearly $300 million. you have also proposed a $150 million earned income tax credit for lower-income families and a $40 million renewable energy plan. i understand you have proposed a few ways to bring in some of that money. but will any families in georgia need to pay more in taxes in order to fund these ambitious plans? >> we do not need to raise taxes under my plans to raise expectations and to raise outcomes. georgia spendsunts $1.75 billion per year on uncompensated care, health care costs. by expanding medicaid, we can join states like kentucky that cut that number in half. that's savings that will go directly into providing access to the programs i'm talking about. my plan is to put money back into the pockets of hard-working georgians and all plans i have proposed which are detailed, specific, and have pay-fors, all of those programs can be done under our current budget. what's more important is that the economic benefit to our state is dramatic. thousands more jobs, thousands
of good-paying jobs, access to health care coverage and improvement for our state overall. >> you're telling georgia families that none of them are going to have to pay higher taxes with you as governor. >> i do not intend to raise taxes. that is not the necessity. what we have to do is cover health care costs. what we have to deis create competitive wages for our teachers to keep more in the classrooms. what we have to do is create better, good paying jobs through the state of georgia. that's the economic imperative for our state and how we continue to move georgia forward. >> let's talk about gun policy. when you were a state lawmaker in 2016, you co-sponsored a bill that would have allowed georgia state authorities to take away so-called assault weapons from current gun owners. most similar bans would grandfather in existing weapons of that sort. semiautomatic rifles that are called assault weapons. is that your current position that law abiding citizens should have to give up those weapons if authorities deem it necessary? >> in the state of georgia you
introduce legislation to start conversations. i'm happy to work with the legislature to figure out how to make an assault-weapons ban work. we need commonsense gun safety legislation. i support the second amendment, i know how to shoot, i know how to hunt, but i believe our responsibility is to make certain that the most vulnerable in our society do not face those who are irresponsible with their weapons. ar-15s are not necessary on our streets. semiautomatic weapons have to be put under a certain level of responsible control. and i believe as the next governor of georgia y can work with democrats and republicans to come up with commonsense gun safety legislation that will allow us to make our families and communities safer. >> just to be clear, you're one of six co-sponsors of this bill introduced january 11th, 2016. not that long ago. your co-sponsor told reporters, quote, the law would require gun owners of these particular models to turn their guns in. >> and again, my point is this. the legislation introduced was the beginning of a conversation.
i'm absolutely certain were we to pass this in georgia, we would have a conversation about grandfathering in, about whether or not people would turn their guns in, whether there would be buybacks. there are a number of approaches to take, but the fundamental responsibility is commonsense gun saeflt legislation. making sure we get dangerous weapons off the streets and responsible gun owners stand together to hold those who are irresponsible accountability and we reduce the risk of harm to the rest of georgia. >> to be clear, though, i'm trying to understand. you don't support the actual legislation. you just support having a conversation about it? >> no, what i have said is legislation in the state legislature is about starting the conversation. very few pieces of legislation are introduced and come out the same way they go in. that's the process of making the law. my mission in 2016 was to be part of the conversation. i believe that we have to ban assault weapons in the state of georgia. but what i'm saying is as part of my leadership, i'm going to work across the aisle and we're going to have a conversation about how we accomplish this.
>> i want to bring your attention to something you might not know about because i think it just came in. the georgia secretary of state's office, that's your opponent, brian kemp, they just announced they have opened an investigation into the democratic party of georgia for possible alleged cyber crimes after what they say is a failed attempt to hack the state's voter registration system. have you heard anything about this? do you have any reaction? >> i have heard nothing about it, and my reaction would be this is a desperate attempt on the part of my opponent to distract people from the fact that two different federal judges found him derelict in his duties and have forced him to allow absentee ballots to be counted and those held captive by the map system be allowed to vote. he's desperate to turn the conversation away from his failures, from his refusal to honor his commitment and from the fact he's part of a nationwide system of voter suppression that will not work in this election because we're going to outwork him, outvote him, and we're going to win. >> all right, thank you so much are your time. we really appreciate it.
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cross country campaign blitz, trying to fight majorities in the senate. joining me now is the chair woman of the republican national committee, ronna mcdaniel. thanks so much for joining us. let me ask you. the economy is booming. unemployment as a 49-year low. annual wage growth topped 3% for the first time since 2009. but, you knew there was a but, the president's closing message is not on that. it's centered on scaring people about undocumented immigrants. could you personally feel more comfortable if this closing argument was more on the positives instead of incendiary appeals that people should fear undocumented immigrants? >> i think the president is closing on the economy. he's talking about obviously these great jobs numbers we saw on friday, as you saw the lowest in history unemployment levels for the african-american and hispanic communities. we had wage growth above 3% for the first time in a decade. but you know, the immigration
issue is something that's relevant right now with these caravans coming to our country. we've got to recognize that we have not passed comprehensive immigration reform. it's something that's a problem. we have to face together as republicans and democrats. and it highlights once again how democrats have refused to work with this president on anything. they didn't support the tax cuts. they didn't support deregulation. they won't come to the table on immigration reform. all these things together show what our message has been. results versus resistance. we have a record of results. lives are better, our country is doing better. democrats haven't come to the table to work with this president on anything. >> quite literally, democrats and republicans came to the table to talk to president trump about immigration reform and thought they had a deal. then ultimately, they did not have a deal. one of the reasons is president trump insists on changing immigration laws and not just working on immigration reform. but to your point about whether or not the president is emphasizing the good economic
numbers more so than fearing undocumented immigrants, take a listen to the president explaining why he is emphasizing the caravan as opposed to unemployment. take a listen. >> they all say speak about the economy, speak about the economy. well, we have the greatest economy in the history of our country. but sometimes it's not as exciting to talk about the economy, right? >> that's the president's own words. it's not as exciting to talk about the economy. >> i'm with him, he's talking about both. i have been at every rally. he talks about the jobs coming back, talking about 4 million people off food stamps. he talks about the fact no democrat voted for these historic tax cuts and the deregulation that have kick started our economy and the tact that president obama said 2% growth was the best we could ever get in our gdp and now we're averaging between 3.5% and 4% gdp. so the president talks about that, but he can talk about
multiple things at once. he's talked about our safety, immigration reform, funding our military, taking on the opioid crisis, and he's not just talking about it. he's delivering on it, and democrats, what are they running on? what are they running on? what's their vision? stop him, resist, obstruct? they can't take any credit for this good economy because they sat on their hands and tried to stop the president from being successful. so what's their closing message? abolish i.c.e., raise taxes? we have a record. we're going to the american people and saying we delivered. your lives are better. let's not go back. >> the president's cleesing argument is focused on fears of undocumented immigrants. he tweeted out this video about an immigrant killing two sheriff's deputies. here's a snippet.
>> i mean, factually, it's not true because actually he was let into the country under george w. bush's administration, and joe arpaio is the one who released him most recently, but setting aside the factual errors, several republicans have condemned the substance of the video, jeff flake called it sickening, saying, quote, republicans everywhere should denounce it. carlos curbelo said he hopes it doesn't work. ryan costello says no republican in a close district wants to talk about this. do you have any concerns at all about this web video? >> i think the president's highlighting the point, once again, that we don't -- and i think everyone agrees with this, we didn't want this individual in our country. he came in first under bill clinton and then george bush. then he said i would kill more people if i could. we don't want people being deported and being criminals and coming back. the president was clear in his
speech this week. listen, we know good people are trying to get into the country too. they see the prosperity, the economic growth. they're coming because they see it as a beacon of hope. we need to find a legal way to get people here, find a way to fix our immigration system. democrats won't work with us. when he brought that deal to chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, he said let's end a visa lottery system here that brings people here willy-nilly. by the way, he's saying let's have merit based immigration. we have more jobs right now than people to fill them. let's bring people in based on the job needs in this country. very reasonable proposals democrats have supported in the past, and now they're saying no, we wouldn't support it. he also had a deal on daca. >> you don't have issues at all about -- >> i think the president is talking about a multitude of issues. to say he's only focusing on one thing is false. >> the video, you don't have an issue on that?
it's factually inaccurate and racially incendiary. you don't have any issue with that? >> i have an issue with our immigration system that's not being fixed, and democrats won't work with the president. and we have caravans coming. listen, jake, in eight years, asylum claims are up 1700%. by the way, what about the 12,000 kids that have come here unaccompanied? we have an immigration system that is attracting young children to come here alone without their parents. why do we have that? why aren't we fixing that? >> you think the president -- you really thing -- you know, i completely agree with you that there needs to be a big immigration reform bill and democrats and republicans need to come together. do you really think president trump -- >> where are the democrats talking about this? are they saying let's solve the problem? they haven't said anything about the caravan, the 12,000 kids. >> president trump is inaccurately blaming them for putting a cop killer, for letting him into the country. for letting him into the country. the last time he came into the country was under george w.
bush. >> regardless, we don't want him -- we didn't want him in the country. he killed police. that's not good. this is exactly why our immigration system is failing. he's pointing that out. by the way, he did come in under bill clinton. >> and then clinton deported him. >> but he got here and he shouldn't have been here and he killed two policemen. we don't want that. >> is it the democrats' fault? >> the majority of these people coming here want good things, there are bad actors within some of these caravans. >> and he was a monster and sentenced to death, but was his presence in the united states the democrats' fault? >> it's a systemic failure -- >> yes, that's true. >> there's only one person talking about fixing it. >> that's my point, it's a systemic failure. democrats and republicans, but he blamed it all on democrats. how can you -- >> who is the party saying let's fix it, jake? who is the party solving every problem. opioid, we're leading. >> i know you want to change the subject. >> democrats aren't coming to the table on anything. >> republicans control the
house, the senate, and the white house. >> a temper tantrum for two years and they should be fixing the immigration problem. >> democrats, the minority problem, should be fixing the immigration problem? you control the white house, the house, and senate. >> they should work with the president. >> the white house, the house, and the senate. >> we do not have a filibuster-proof senate. we only have 51 senators. >> you couldn't get legislation through the house. >> well, what democrats leading on any issue? how many of them are coming to the table saying i have a solution. let's work with this president? name one. name one who said let's unify this past week when the president said this is a time to unify. they said no, we'll make it political again. i don't see a single democrat saying let's bring the country together. i only see them running on resist and obstruct. even with the good economic numbers, they can't tout how good our country is doing. so yeah, the president's leading. he's saying come to the table. we have major issues we need to face. by the way, our economy is humming. people are working. wages are up. i'll work with democrats, and they're sitting on their hands. >> all right, ronna mcdaniel,
thank you so much, and good luck on tuesday, which i will also say to your democratic counterpart. >> thank you. okay. fair enough. >> oprah, obama, democrats deploying all their biggest names to try to build momentum for tuesday's votes, but are they any match for president trump? the dnc chairman will be here next. and early voting in many states is surging, but which party is benefitting from that enthusiasm? our latest breakdown on the state of play. stay with us. if you have moderate to severe
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>> they say don't trust the polls but i'm choosing to. we're finally going to put this administration in check. >> nervous democrats on saturday night live last night. a sign of the stakes for the party heading into tuesday's votes after two years of resisting president trump, can democrats translate the anger and passion into victory at the ballot box? joining me to talk about the democrats' closing message is the chairman of the democratic national committee, tom perez. thanks for joining us. new economic numbers on friday showed a quarter of a million new jobs. steady unemployment at a 49-year low. i know wage growth has been lagging, but this is the best annual wage growth since 2009. topping 3% for the first time since the great recession. that's higher than it ever got during your four years as labor secretary. yet your statement in response to the numbers was, quote, too many working families have been left behind in the trump economy. what are you talking about? >> talking about real wage growth. if you get a dollar more on your
paycheck and the cost of gasoline, the cost of health care, the cost of housing goes up by $3, you're not better off. by the way, we created more jobs in the last 21 months of the obama administration than in the first 21 months of the trump administration. but what it's all about, jake, is that people need to feel that if they work a full-time job, they're actually able to feed their family and not tread water. that's what's happening across this country. too many people are working two or three jobs to make ends meet because their salaries aren't enough. and the cost of living is going through the roof, and health care is under attack. that's the number one issue in this election. is health care, because they want to do away with coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. i talked to someone the other day who is diabetic. the cost of insulin has skyrocketed and this administration has done nothing about it. >> i understand -- >> that's why so many americans have angst. >> i understand why you want to change the subject to pre-existing conditions but let's focus on the economy.
you said two things that are not borne out by the facts. a new poll out this morning shows optimism in the economy is at the highest point since 2001. you're claiming all these people are working multiple jobs. that's only 5% of the current work force that has multiple jobs. it looks to me like you're saying things that are not true to put a cloud over the great economic news. >> jake, here the problem. real wage growth, if you have wage growth of 3% and your cost of living goes up by 5%, you're not even treading water. that's the challenge across america. it's a simple challenge. we have an administration who just the other day said i don't even believe in a minimum wage. we have an administration who is constantly attacking the labor movement so that we can't work to lift wages for workers. and we have an administration that is constantly attacking health care. >> wage growth is better than --
wage growth is better than it has been since 2009. that means it's better than it's been for seven out of eight of the years that obama was president, and all four years that you were secretary of labor. >> jake, the issue now is not just nominal wage growth. the issue is also inflation. if your salary goes up by a dollar but the cost of buying insulin, the cost of buying gasoline, the cost of housing, the cost of health care goes up by $3, you're not better off. that's the challenge here. the challenge for the american people is the fact that so many people with pre-existing conditions thought they would be able to retain their coverage. this administration doesn't want to do it. medicare, medicaid, social security, they're on the ballot. that's why there's so much energy on the democratic side. ronna mcdaniel talks about results. they have delivered results for very wealthy people and large corporations in the form of the most reckless tax cut in
american history. it's a tax cut mortgaging the future for our children and grandchildren. and people get that. that's why you don't hear donald trump talking about it. it was reckless and it's hurting us. >> i want to ask about president trump's closing argument. he's obviously talking about immigration, undocumented immigrants. i know you disagree with what he's saying. i do think there's a question out there about what is the democratic alternative? do democrats care about deterring people from crossing the border illegally? is it important to democrats for there to be border security? >> of course it is. and in 2013, democrats and republicans came together in the united states senate around a bipartisan immigration reform bill that had tough enforcement measures and a tough but fair pathway to citizenship. it didn't become law because the tea party republicans in the house killed it. we have a plan. and that's what we have been fighting for. but the republicans don't want
to go that way. now what you see in the closing argument is dog whistle politics. appeals to racist -- just the worst of america. and you know, i ran for this job, jake, because i believe we're at our best when we come together. i believe we're at our best when someone doesn't get ahead only if someone else fails. that's the zero sum politics of donald trump. and the reason why he is doing that is because they're hemorrhaging on health care. he wants to change the subject. we're focused like a laser on the issues that matter most to people. good jobs that pay a fair wage, health care, and making sure that we have checks and balances in washington. because america in which we have a president who is constantly divisive, that's not the america that my children want. >> one of the most important movements of the last year or two is the me too movement. and the time's up movement. women standing up and saying men can't treat us like this
anymore. the ex-girlfriend of your deputy at the dnc, congressman keith ellison, is accusing him of domestic abuse. an investigation commissioned by the minnesota democratic party was, quote, unable to substantiate the claim of physical abuse. is that good enough? what do you say to women in the democratic party who say why is this guy still the vice chair of the dnc? >> what i say is that we should always take those complaints seriously, and we do. that's why an investigation was conducted. that's why congressman ellison asked for a house ethics investigation. and democrats have never hesitated to take action. unlike republicans. and you know what. part of why we're going to do so well -- >> wait a second. democrats have never hesitated to take action, like the last year or historically? historically, i could go through a list of people. >> again -- well, and again, you saw what happened in senator franken's situation.
democrats didn't hesitate to do something. even if it was difficult. because that was the right thing to do. >> you mean just like in the last year? not talking about ted kennedy or president bill clinton or, i mean, i only have a couple minutes left. >> i have been -- jake, i have been chair of the democratic party for 18 months. what i'm talking about is we have worked hard to make sure that we are a party that understands that when women succeed, america succeeds. what donald trump is doing -- >> do you think keith ellison's ex-girlfriend is lying then? is that what you're saying. >> i think keith ellison's ex-girlfriend deserves to be heard and deserves to be treated with dignity and deserves a full and fair investigation. that's contactually what has been done. i also believe when women succeed, america succeeds. the agenda of this administration is an agenda making it much harder for women to succeed. one of the reasons why democrats are doing so well is we're fielding candidates across the country. you look at the women running for office and running for
office around a platform of health care, around a platform of inclusion, when we have more women in the u.s. senate and the u.s. house, more women in governorships, more women across the board, we are a better america. and that is why you look at the number of women running on the democratic side. and you look at the quality of those candidates, if 1992 was the year of the woman, 2018 is going to be the year of the women to the nth degree because women have led this charge to take back america. to make sure that our children can have an america that we can be proud of. an america of inclusion and opportunity for everyone. >> dnc chairman perez, thanks so much. as i said to your republican counterpart, good luck on tuesday. >> thank you. less than 48 hours until a hugely consequential election day. which side says they're more enthusiastic about voting? we'll break it all down for you next. (vo) this is not a video game.
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during paid breaks "so that they can respond immediately when needed." vote yes on 11. welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. month of campaigning and the balance of power all comes down to a few dozen close, close races. cnn political director david chalian is at the magic wall with the state of the race heading into election day. david. >> jake, the battle for the house and the battle for the senate, they're playing out on two totally different landscapes. let's look first at the battle for the house. look at this. this is the competitive universe, nearly 70 districts truly in play. some leaning a little blue, democratic. some leaning a little red, republican. 31 in yellow, true toss-ups. total coin flip, and of those, 30 of them are currently held by republicans. republicans are on defense in
the house, largely with voters in the suburbs. independent voters, college educated voters. the very voters donald trump has a problem with. that's why the president's approval rating is so critical to his party's chances in the house. our latest poll of polls has him at 44% approval. that's below 50%. that's a warning sign for republicans. and let me show you why. take a look at his most recent predecessors in the modern era. look at this. only ronald reagan had 43% in 1982, is slightly below where donald trump is right now. eight years ago, barack obama was at a 46% approval rating. his party lost 63 seats that night. in 2010. that's why the president's approval rating gives republicans some heartburn in the battle for the house. but it's an entirely different story in the battle for the senate. take a look at this. this is playing out in trump country. the story of the senate is democrats trying to win re-election in states donald trump won. and take a look at the president's approval rating in some key senate races.
he's now at 47% in arizona. 49% in nevada. 47% in florida, and take a look at this. in tennessee, the president's at 53%. majority approval. he's got a plus 11 approval rating in tennessee. let me show you why that's critical in the battle for control of the senate. if indeed marsha blackburn can hang on to tennessee, then the democrats. even if they pick up all the rest of the toss-ups, it shows you how tough the map is, if they win florida and indiana, if claire mccaskill finds a way to hang oon in missouri and if the democrats flip arizona and nevada, look at that. republicans still control the senate with mike pence breaking the tie. this is a senate map stacked against democrats, jake. >> that's fascinating. david, thank you so much. as we just saw, a lot of these races are coming down to the wire. both parties are relying on their biggest surrogates to make their closing arguments. take a listen. >> joe donnelly is holding a rally this weekend with barack
h. obama. >> blatant, repeatedly, baldly, shamelessly lie. >> barack h. obama. senator santorum. >> he didn't say hussein. >> oh, my gosh. >> there's that trump subtlety that we're used to. >> remarkable restraint on the part of the president. i don't know why the president is -- if i was joe donnelly, i wouldn't bring president obama to indiana. i'm not sure that makes sense to me. the reality is that, you know, republicans have to count on that the silent vote out there that happened two years ago shows up again. and if it does, this could actually be a pretty good night. a remarkably good night. just think about how much abuse this president has gotten over the last two years.
how controversial he has been. >> and given. >> and given. but the point is, this is the most controversial president i could ever remember. and yet, he may come out of this thing with a pickup in the senate, i think it's likely to pick up a seat or two in the senate. and he might even hold the house. and that's just remarkable. i mean, ient know if it's going to happen. >> he's going to hold -- >> i said he might. i said if the silent voter comes out, there are a lot of toss-up seats that could go the republicans' way. >> i think it's very hard to determine who is a likely voter in this midterm election. i think that cuts both ways, frankly. >> totally. >> we talk a lot about obama and oprah and i hope you get into that, but you have people on the ground right now whose knuckles are raw from knocking on doors. you have the center for community change, they have knocked on 1 million doors in florida alone. you have the domestic workers alliance in georgia.
housekeepers who are out there fighting for their lives right now. so it's not just the stars. you have a pro-democracy movement with grassroots people on the ground. i guarantee you, most of those people are not being polled either. >> mary katherine, you lived in a swing district-ish in virginia. it's a place there's a lot of stuff going on. what do you think is going to happen? what's your best guess? >> i think looking at some of the indicators, neither republican enthusiasm nor the president's approval numbers have gone quite as low as we would be led to believe if you were watching sort of the conventional wisdom. that to me is very interesting. i'm not sure, democratic enthusiasm is way up, and importantly, and i think it showed its face first in alabama, in that special election. they have turned enthusiasm into votes, which is what you're talking about. but i don't think republican enthusiasm has ever dipped so low. the question to me, i think it actually rallied some of that swing district republican vote after the kavanaugh hearings, and the question to me is whether some of this late shift
to the immigration rhetoric might have blunted some of that in those areas where toss-up suburban sort of well educated women voters might be turned off. >> again, governor, i'm going to come to you in a second. to mary katherine's point, i want to bring up this poll. the enthusiasm poll showing when it comes to people who are very enthusiastic about voting in the midterms, republicans have a slight edge, 69% to 65%. if you add up people who are also somewhat enthusiastic, then democrats go up. >> right, can the question is who considers themself a republican as well because there has been some migration by people who are women in the suburbs who would have otherwise called themselves republican who feel so angry and who feel when you ask senator santorum about this h where he puts it in the air to emphasize it without saying the name, there was a story on the front page today of "the new york times" which talked about the increase in this hate crimes, and this
rhetoric about immigration and about who we are as a nation. and about whether people feel safe. the fact that there is an increase in these hate crimes causing people and especially people who are not just in those groups but who are raising their kids in a country that they thought was inclusive. they don't want to feel unsafe in going to a yoga studio. they don't want to feel unsafe in their places of worship. and this president is making people like that feel unsafe and not safe. and that, i think, has a pushback in the polling, but also i think at the polls you will see the rise of people who are angry about that. >> i know you disagree with that, but we only have a limited amount of time. you're four of the smartest people i know about politics and i'm curious about what specific races you're individually going to look at. if i had to ask you what's one race you're looking at to see
how the night is going to go, let's start with you, senator. >> pennsylvania 4, which is incumbent member scott perry. pennsylvania got redistricted so i picked that race because it's a blend. he has 45% new district, so it's like running in an open seat, and 55% incumbent district. so i think it does -- it points out it's got the city of harrisburg, the city of york. it's got some rural areas, suburban harrisburg areas. a pretty good microcosm, and he -- it went from a plus-9 district to a plus 5 or 6 district. the margin of error is up two points in the latest poll i have seen. he got caught napping a little bit, and the candidate that's running against him, typical of what the democrats, army veteran, someone who has come out, he won the primary by throwing an ar-15 into the fire. but now he's running as a moderate democrat. this is the kind of thing you see. run to the left in the primary, run to the middle and say i'm not that crazy after all. >> and van, what are you looking
at, what race? >> i got two. ben jealous is running as governor in maryland. he's an african-american, not as much attention as georgia and florida. but if he can pull it off against a very popular governor, there's a sign that there really is a blue wave. i'm also looking at west virginia. you have a guy, democrat, strong, passionate for the working class. a veteran. 49 points, i think, trump won that thing by, and he's still within shouting distance. if you see ojeda coming on strong, there's a blue wave. >> fascinating race. i think he said he voted for trump in the last election, but now he's running his own campaign. mary katherine? >> i was attempting to say virginia five, and i wanted to say wriggleman/cockburn, but i'm going to go florida, where
curbelo is trying to hold on. he runs as a moderate. he has aggressively distanced himself from trump, but it's a d-leaning district, but it's been listed as a toss-up but moving slowly off the map for republicans. if he can hold on there, i think that would be an indication some of this late turn to the immigration rhetoric did not have as much of an impact as others thought and some republicans can hold on in those more swing districts. >> he condemned the president for his focus on the immigration bill. >> mine, i think david chalian and i have this in our top races which is michigan eight. that's a district that is currently held by a guy named mike bishop, a republican. trump won this district by almost 7%. romney won it by three points. it was redistricted to incorporate areas that mike bishop would end up winning. the woman running against him is elissa slotcon. she has a defense background, an intelligence background. this contains michigan state university. and this voter suppression
tactic that was adopted in michigan before i was governor to prevent students from being able to vote where they go to school has caused democrats to lose this area. however, this campaign, slotkin's campaign has gone out of their way to get students to decide to say that michigan state is their home, which is what they have to do in order to vote there, and that has caused an increase in 20,000 students registrations. she's hoping that, including their work on the ground, will help to flip this to a blue district. >> let's talk about bigger trends. one thing that is so interesting is just about the fact that things are still up in the air. we still don't know. normally, midterm elections, it seems like you know there's going to be a blood bath one way or the other. conservative columnist bret stephens wrote, democrats should be walking away with the midterms. that they are not is because they have consistently underestimated the president's political gifts while missing the deeper threat his presidency represents. do you agree? >> one of the reasons we're not
walking away is because redistricting has created gerrymandering that has favored republicans over democrats which is why all of these governors races are so important for redistricting in 2020. i also do believe, though, that in 2016, we missed the angst of people who felt like trade, et cetera, was not being addressed by the democrats. so i think in that sense, that is true. but boy, help save us in this nation if the deep thread that he is mining is a thread that is about hatred or a thread that is about fear, because that's not the america that democrats want to build. >> i think people are rejecting, and the reason i think that the republicans are doing as well as they are is people are rejecting this idea that because the president brings up immigration, or because he brings up other issues, that the left immediately says, oh, he's racist or a bigot. i think people are bristling at
that. and that's why i think you see the enthusiasm is high. you have the fundamentals that are strong for the president. he's doing things that are popular. the tax cut, cutting the regulati regulations, growing this economy, fighting on trade. blue-collar workers having their wages go up. look at high school educated men. a 40-point gap that are -- why? because they're feeling it personally. a lot of this is right there, the pocketbook. people are going to vote on their wallet and pocketbook and that's why you might see some surprises on tuesday. >> a couple things. bernie was trying to tell the democrats about the trade issue, so i don't think all of us missed the trade issue, but republicans have to look in the mirror now. if you had a kid that had as and bs on their report card, doing well with their trumpet lessons but also happened to be selling meth out of the basement, you would say hold on a second. i can't just talk about the good stuff. i have a problem with this kid. you have already got your tax cuts. you already got your supreme court. you now have to look in the
mirror about the kind of rhetoric and the kind of tone this president is setting. and the poisonous division and hatred that he's stirring up. after this last couple weeks where he was going after these migrants in a way that was despicable, you can't say there's something wrong here, there's something wrong here. >> i want to take a moment to mourn a loss in our "state of the union" extended family. van, you lost your mom, loretta kirkendoll jones. she was 74. look how pretty she is. she must have been very proud of you, and we wanted to take a moment to let you know we're thinking of you, praying about you, love you, and we hope in my tradition, may her memory be a blessing. >> i'm prouder to be her son than she ever was proud of me. >> i doubt that. i want to leave you with the words of major brent taylor, the mayor of north ogden, utah, and a member of the national guard who was killed in afghanistan yesterday. in his final facebook message, he posted pictures of afghans voting and called for them to be an inspiration to us.
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this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. >> today on the show, amidst anxiety and anger, discord and distrust, americans will vote on tuesday. the president himself is not up for re-election, but the vote is a referendum on his rule. >> a vote for morrissey is a vote for me. a vote for david is a vote for me. >> and a vote for steve is a