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hello, everyone. yes, it is sunday night. don't adjust your sets. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. we are less than a day and a half away from the first polls opening on election day. and i know you've heard a lot of people saying this. but the truth is, this could be the most important midterms of our life times. if you thought things could get better, if you thought the rhetoric could get toned down, well, nobody really thought that that would happen. and it didn't. so, what president trump has doubled down on his strategy of fear mongering and trying to divide us, it's beginning to sound, well, like even he has some doubts about the strategy, that strategy working.
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>> about a month ago, two months ago, i was hearing about this horrendous blue wave, it's going to sweep us all out. it's going to be terrible. i haven't heard the term blue wave, but you better get out and vote, otherwise i'm going to look very bad with this statement. >> it's been another day, honestly, of lies, lies, lies. the president repeating his new favorite lie, falsely claiming that democrats are practically giving immigrants an engraved invitation to come here. but this is not just talk. this is not just playing politics. this is really serious. while thousands of migrants, many of them women and children are being demonized while our troops are at the border being used as part of what can only be described as a political stunt, laying down barbed wire to stop those immigrants who are still hundreds of miles away and may never get anywhere near this country. while this president stokes fear, armed militia groups are headed to the border.
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one group, the texas militia men, telling cnn they have up to 250 volunteers on the way. the washington post is reporting that they have weapons, night vision goggles and aerial drones with thermal sensing equipment. and while one president is stoking fear, another is sounding a warning. >> don't be hood winked. don't be bamboozled. don't let them run the okeydoke on you. because while they're trying to distract you with all this stuff, they're robbing you blind. they'll be like, look, look, look, caravan, caravan, then they're giving tax cuts to their billionaire friends. look, look, look! whatever the thing is scary. [ laughter ] and then they're sabotaging your health care. you can't, you can't fall for
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it. >> and what about the economy? there is no denying our economy is firing on all cylinders. >> jobs are going up. crime is going down. wages are rising, first time in many years. you saw that in the report on friday. poverty is plummeting and confidence is at an all-time high. [ cheers and applause ] other than that, we're not doing very well. [ laughter ] >> yes, no doubt the economy is great. the president can take a lot of credit for that, both of them. >> by the time i left office, wages were rising. unemployment had fallen. the uninsured rate was falling. the economy created more jobs over my last 21 months than it
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did the 20 months since i've left office. [ cheers and applause ] so, so when you hear the republicans bragging about how good the economy is right now, where do you think that started? [ cheers and applause ] who do you think did that? >> and as two presidents battle it out on the campaign trail until they lose their voices, one of the most closely watched races in the country is getting ugly. in georgia the secretary of state brian kemp who is also candidate for governor is, without any proof, accusing the democratic party of trying to hack the state's voter registration system. yes, that is brian kemp accused himself of using his position to suppress minority votes. you have to wonder just how
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worried is he about this race? georgia's democratic party chair flatly denies hacking and the democratic candidate for governor stacey abrams told cnn this. >> we have nothing to do with this. and i'm very sad that instead of owning up to his responsibility and honoring his commitment as secretary of state, that he is once again misleading georgia. >> and then there's this from florida's governor's race, where republican ron desantis is running against the african-american of tallahassee andrew gillum. president trump's agriculture secretary described the race as "cotton picking important." straight up races, and he should know bet eveter. these could be the most important midterms of our lifetime. a lot is really ugly but there is hopeful news here. here it is. more than 27 million people have already cast their ballots in early voting, making their voices heard. and no matter which side you're
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on, this tuesday, it will be your turn. so, there's lots to talk about. paul, scott, simone, charlie dent, kiersten, chris, mike shields rksz aand bakari seller. i hope we have enough people here to talk about it. how are you? sunday night. are you guys ready to boogie down, ready to party? tuesday's vote above all else is for the moral compass in the country. and which way is it pointing? kiersten power. >> i don't know, we'll have to wait and see. it's pretty clear, you couldn't have more difficult roent closing argument if you look at the two parties. i'm not a republican. i'll leave it to the republicans on the panel to speak to this. i would be offended if i were a republican and this was the closing argument to me, basically a bunch of poor debt pr -- desperate people are coming to kill you. when the president could be talking about more positive things like the economy. i do think a lot of people feel
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right now this election represents a real hopeful turning point, i think for some people, who are very frightened by this discourse. >> paul, i'm wondering, because a lot of people, especially democrats, very excited about the early voting numbers among democrats -- i don't know, what do you think? >> it's phenomenal. you don't know as a professional, right? are we squeezing the balloon, taking people who are going to vote tuesday anyway and voting early? >> you assume they're democrats. >> you look at the age demographic, my state of texas, the under 30 vote is up 509%. that captain just n't be cannib. that's beto mania. there is something going on. and we're going to miss them in the polling. we model these things and we figure x percent of young people will vote. usually in texas, over 65
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outnumber 30 by 9 to 1. now it's 5 to 1. so those young people are going to have a really disproportionate voice in this, and of course across the country our president's approval rating under 30 voters, 24%. >> people say young people, it's way up. young people don't vote. >> come on, as a millennial, i take offense to that, don. and to be clear, it's millennials that caused this black woman -- you have a point. we showed up in alabama to help elect doug jones. we showed up in virginia. we showed up to elect stacey abrams in the primary. we're going to show up -- some of us aren't waiting until tuesday. we're showing up now. >> i teed it up. >> look, here's what we know. the midterm turnout is like 30, somewhere between 36 and 40% of the voting age population. now, that's across all -- that's age, race, et cetera, et cetera.
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36%. it was the lowest since 1940 something in 2014. to paul's point, it would suggest that 20 million early votes is way up in every state that has early voting. donald trump said, i've never seen crowds like this. he may be right. the question is donald trump can drive his people out. i think we saw that in 2016. we learned that lesson. i will admit, i was in the hillary clinton is very likely to win this election based on everything we know. donald trump found people who we didn't -- necessarily weren't polling, they turned out. the question is, is donald trump also particularly as a president, a really good turnout machine for democrats? is the level of vitriol directed at him -- i've never seen anything like this before in polling. his unfavorable rating is, let's say it's 59. his strongly unfavorable rating is like 55. i mean, there's no one who is like i kind of don't like him. you either like him or you hate him.
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and typically in politics, that kind of, say, anger, but anger, distaste drives. and in a midterm election, the more people you get there on your side, no matter how they get there, you win. >> let's say you won, bakari. if you like it or not, fear is a very big motivator, right? i think it's a smart strategy, whether you think it's republic kwan cann or not, whatever you think. republicans were not as motivated as democrats, coming out of 2016. >> so, i think when people ask the question, does fear and the tactics that donald trump is using as he closes out his campaign, do they work, i think that there is a data point that says, yes, it's effective. he's president of the united states. it worked. but i think that there is -- and what you see barack obama do is interjecting himself into the cultural debate where many democrats shy away from. and there are people right now who are sick and tired of the xenophobia. they're sick and tired of the
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bigotry, sick and tired of the prejudices, they're tired of these things. the question is -- this is truly, to kiersten's point, this is truly a battle for the soul of the country. and i don't say that lightly. i think that donald trump is playing on these fears and you have candidates right now who are closing on things like health care. you have democrats talking about health care. you have democrats talking about criminal justice reform. you have democrats talking about real-life issues. and you have these two figure heads. but the difference on tuesday, i think, is going to be the candidates that are running themselves. not necessarily donald trump, because what you have is, with all due respect to anybody else who ran for governor of florida, they would not be able to do what andrew gillum has done. anybody else who was running for governor of georgia would not be able to do what stacey abrams is doing. you have a lot of individuals, those two individuals in particular who are casting progressivism in a black i had i don't mean. i stole that from a huff post article today. but it's so very true. the country is changing. kyrsten sinema reflects that.
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beto o'rourke reflects that. there are people in the country that the country is becoming browner. that is the debate we're having. that's the discussion we're having and that's a policy point. >> mike, let's talk about strategy and the contrasts. it's a good strategy whether people like it or not. president barack obama is making the same points he made in 2016. didn't resonate enough to get hillary clinton into office. >> a couple things. first, i'm glad we're seeing obama for a couple reasons. one is he motivates republicans, too. so i love that. secondly, there are many of us that looked at the eight years of the obama presidency as one of the most partisan times in our country's history with a president that wouldn't work with republicans and republicans wouldn't work with him. he helped create the atmosphere that created donald trump. donald trump is created partly on the eight years of obama and he is breaking from precedent in the past where presidents don't do what he's doing and we're seeing the real obama come out just as partisan, just as left as trump ask right. now they're doing something we haven't seen before, they're all out on the trail duking it out.
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that is who obama is. i'm glad he's admitting -- >> i'm going to go to scott. i have to go to a break. fact check moment, i don't know. we're going to talk about that. stick around. we have a lot to talk about. we'll talk about fear mongering, let scott get in, then let the democrats respond to, what's his name? mike. we'll be right back. (chime) - [narrator] meet shark's newest robot vacuum. it powerfully cleans from floors to carpets,
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president trump doubling down on his strategy of dividing us in an effort to get his supporters to the polls on tuesday. everyone else -- everyone is back here with me. so, let's talk about that. we talked about the strategy, right? here's what the washington post -- can we put this washington fact post check? this is for scott. the president is averaging about 30 false or misleading claims a day leading into the midterms. does that matter? >> i don't think any party has an exclusive patent stretching the truth or engaging hyperbole -- >> scott, 30 or 40. >> we heard barack obama say in the clip republicans were robbing you blind. this is pretty divisive rhetoric and also stretching the truth. i don't like it when people don't tell the truth. i wish they would tell the truth all the time, but i don't think this began in the last week, month, two years, whatever. >> hold on. you have to see his face. >> what, what? >> i was going to say there are
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days i think if the president ever came -- if he ever came into contact with the truth, there would be a mighty collision. we have that too often. let's face t how many days a week does he get pinocchios and pants on fire? it never ends. he just makes untruthful statements ad nauseam. >> the only thing i was going to add is scott's right speaking that politicians don't tell the truth. donald trump in particular, it's not as though his prevaricating when he started as president of the united states. he did this over and over again. this did not come out of the blue. to your point is this something that changed voters' minds. it didn't in 2016. this is what i keep coming back to. it didn't in 2016. you saw people, you would say to them, this isn't true. i don't care, i don't believe you. okay. like the idea of capital t truth, wasn't a big deal during the campaign.
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that doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean that it hurts him. so i don't know if that transfers to all the candidates he's trying to help. >> they voted for an attitude. not a set of policies. >> what's changed? >> let me tell you what's changed. people have actually gotten to see him in action governing and all the people who thought that he would, that so-called pivot or moderate, and that didn't happen. he actually became more of who he was on the campaign trail. some people may be very turned off by that, especially women, some may be turned on because of the kavanaugh thing, because, you know, the backfire for democrats seemingly. people have seen him in action governing and either they really like him more, or less. >> one of the biggest things we'll be looking for in the exit polls is what white suburban women who would traditionally be voting republican. polling is cradling for republicans. we'll have to see if the poll sergio garcia correct, but
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that's pretty monumental if that's what pans out. >> what did you want to say, bakari? >> i have to put just a halt to this kind of what about-ism comparison people have between barack obama and donald trump. you said it before the break. you echoed that somehow either their propensity for veracity and telling the truth was the same. that is just not accurate. and you mention the fact that somehow barack was hyper partisan, excuse me, president obama -- roland martin will text me like crazy over the fact i mentioned his name is barack. president obama was hyper partisan. and that is just not the case. you had individuals who from day one set out to make barack obama a one-term president. you had individuals such as mitch mcconnell who was leading the senate, who actually held obstructionism, and they said one of the greatest things he ever did was look at the president in the face and say, mr. president, you will not have another supreme court justice. you have people like tom cotton, the united states senator from
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arkansas, who literally -- and you can frown if you want to, but this is a fact. he objected and held up a united states district court judge appointee until she died. so let's not act as if this is something that has any hint of being similar. and i think the country, when they see barack obama versus donald trump, not only do they see orator ical ability that's vastly different, they can remember a time when you could disagree with him politically but you were never ashamed of him. >> the criticism of barack obama from the democrats and from people of color, one, they wanted had i am to governor m m they felt he should be stronger on issues of black americans. they said why is he trying to work with those people? they already said they were going to make him a one-term president. why does he keep reaching out to republicans? he realized they're not going to work with me and i'm going to
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use the pen. he said i've got the power of the pen. >> why don't we ask a republican congressman who served during the obama era how many times he tried to work with you on things. >> not very often. >> exactly. >> i remember rahm emanuel, the bill, health care, we got the votes, f them. i remember that. >> wait a minute. wait a minute, that matters. so your first chief of staff, the guy that wants to work with everyone, is rahm emanuel, okay, start right there. let me just tell you. let me tell you how a lot of voters view barack obama. >> they did a great job. would you rather have reince priebus? >> who? >> here's what i'm talking about. when i talked about barack obama being partisan, a bunch of democrats on this panel burst into laughter. >> that's funny. >> voters in this country, especially white working class voters felt left behind in the obama years think people think about that when they laugh on
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cnn. that's why i'm glad he's out there talking. he's going to turnout voters we need to show up in the election. >> i am laughing because it is funny to me that the clothing -- it seems as though the only thing republican operatives have to talk about is obama. they can't talk about the tax bill. you all can't talk about what you've done for the white working class people because it hasn't been anything. because when you had the chance to pass a bill and tax cuts for middle class america, it didn't happen. you passed permanent tax cuts for corporations and very, very semi, very temporary for working people. >> record unemployment in the black community -- >> that's just my point. can i -- >> wage growth. economic growth. and jobs, manufacturing jobs at an all-time high. >> i have a question about that. >> wages are, in fact, stagnant in places -- it hasn't gone -- >> the problem with the talking points and the reason people -- >> those are the same economic
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facts under barack obama. the fact is the stock market -- >> what was it the last two quarters? >> the stock market when barack obama took over was 6000. when he left it was 16,000. wages across -- wages across all races, genders went up. >> i have to get to the break. that's what i don't understand. if the president -- put the job market, put the economy back on track, i don't understand why white working class voters don't feel the same about both presidents because they both -- >> it didn't hit everybody. it didn't hit everybody. >> i'd be happy to answer that. look, i've been critical of my party, when you i cbut i can tea lot of republicans feel about the democratic party. the democratic party has been at war with coal, gas, pharmaceuticals, financial services area, chemicals, these are where my people work. so people are shocked when they see all these people who are voting for donald trump, you know whordon't live on the coas.
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the guy making the loan every day doesn't think he's doing something terrible. he thinks he's doing something honorable. >> do you think they think he's doing something honorable by not being honest about -- >> i'm saying the guy making a loan. >> but where those jobs are going to end up, that there aren't as many of those jobs as there will ever be. the only way the coal industry will come back, let's be honest, if they start making cell phones out of them. does that have to do with the president? >> i felt during my years under the obama administration that there was a regulatory assault. i mean, the amish came out to vote for donald trump. >> that's fair. >> you know why they came out? they were worried the federal government was going to regulate mud puddle on their firm. it's hard to get the amish that upset. these are the things i saw. >> whatever is behind it, whether it's true or not, that is a fair point. >> where the economy is
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strongest, the republicans are weakest. tomorrow at noon, bakari sellers and i, you know where we're going to be? loudoun county virginia. the wealthiest county in virginia, more prosperous than any other county in virginia. we're going to be there turning out canvasers because barbara is going to win comstock. join bakari and me. they hate him. >> making the same -- yu making the same point. the wealthy and suburban areas you're talking about are already fine. they weren't the ones who were left behind. >> talk about the same county -- >> everybody stick with us. stick around. i want to talk about the rise of the far-right extremism. why it's escalating and what our political climate has to do with it. ♪
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and we're back. rally after rally ahead of tuesday's election, president trump is using the fear factor, right? referring to the migrant caravan as -- in mexico as an invasion, even though it's still hundreds of miles from the border.
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there's lots to discuss now. chris, the president talked about the mail bombing sent by trump supporter and the anti-semitic mass question anti-semitic massacre in pittsburgh in terms of stopping momentum. what impact do you think that will have? >> he says the quiet part out loud. that's one of his things. oh, i wouldn't think that would happen. great song writers can write songs in a lot of different keys, keys, but they usually return to the one key they're familiar with for one reason. this is donald trump's key. this is what he -- you can hate it, but this is what he does. this is just like the 2016, end of the 2016 election. i don't think we paid enough attention. i'll speak for myself. you guys sure paid enough. i didn't pay enough because it looked like based on polling, message, money, with the states, the cake was baked for hillary clinton. but i'm paying attention this time because it's 100% understanding that anger and
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fear are hugely powerful motivators. he could, in truth, be talking about they're fighting about the economy, everybody has numbers, but it's a worthy argument to have and donald trump has a very strong economic case to be made. you can say it started under obama. fine. he can say, i'm the president now and this is what we have. >> its growth is continuing. >> that's not the key he writes songs in. he writes them in this key, which is fear, anger, resentment. they aren't listening to you. and i think mike has a point there. they aren't listening to you. i understand you. >> and whatever it is, however you want to describe what he's doing, look at today's nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. and the presidential approval rating in the battle ground districts, it was even. generic battle ground only plus one democrat. his strong approval was as high as it's ever been in that poll. however you want to describe what he did in the month of october, however you want to describe it, it is working for
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him right now and it has put the republicans in a better position, i think in some of the house races than they were at the beginning of the month. >> that was the conversation we had at the beginning of this show. i want to bring this this. i want to talk about "the new york times" magazine piece by janet wright. here's the headline, bakari. u.s. law enforcement failed to see the threat of white nationalism thousand they don't know how to stop t. for two decades domestic counterterrorism strategy has ignored far-right extremism, woeful indifference, a virulen movement has gone unnoticed >> it sounds like something you stated earlier. it is a little deeper than that. i actually think and one of the things i ran on during my four elections and got beat on as lieutenant governor is what charlie was talking about. we were singing from a same sheet of music, people were
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hurting this economic recovery missed. one of the things we haven't discussed and one of the things republican don't want to acknowledge is while there is some economic angst, there is also a lot of cultural angst. and you see that develop in the most extreme ways when you're talking about this rise in white nationalism and domestic terror. you see it at the ballot box. you just see it for people who think that somehow somebody is coming to replace us. and donald trump plays into that fear. i personally am tired of us not acknowledging this rise of domestic terror in our country which is led by, when you look at who these individuals are. it's white men and nobody wants to have that conversation because it took away nine lives in charleston and a good friend of mine. we had a 21-year-old who was able to be radicalized like george wallace and no one is asking the question why. you look at the pulse night club shooting. you look -- we had the most deadly shooting -- we picked up everything at cnn and went out to vegas and said we were going to do this and do that. what's going on in this country -- and it began -- it
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didn't begin with barack obama, but it kind of came to a head with barack obama as we are having a discussion about race. donald trump, you love him or hate him. we would not be having this discuss if hillary clinton were president. we're more dynamic than that, we're more nuanced than that, but we have to have a discussion about how we ensure that all people are treated as if they are part of this global economy. all people have an opportunity to succeed. all people, regardless of their skin color, have an opportunity to feel as if they are part of this american fabric. donald trump is not the drum major for that, but he's also not the only fault for that. let me stress that as well. >> congressman, the times reporting they reference these stats from the anti-defamation league. from the murders in the u.s. 71% came from right wing extremism. 26% right wing extremism, 6%
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from left wing extremism. shouldn't law enforcement be concerned about it? shouldn't we be concerned about it? shouldn't we talk about it without getting demonized? i did. i was accurate, what i said was right. what's a way -- what do we do? >> well, the anti-semitism, we see it. it was only a couple years ago, the jewish centers were on high alert because of various threats. even in new york city you're seeing record amounts of anti-semitism as well. we have hate crime statutes on the books. i think they have to be rigorously enforced. i don't know what -- my homeland of allentown the other night, we had a thousand people show up in response to what happened. in pittsburgh. i really don't know what the answer is. anti-semitism has been around a very long time. and, you know, i see it. i see it from islamic extremists, from right wing
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fanatics. it's me taft sized it's metasticized in a number of ways. if these shootings were done by someone from the middle east there would be a different reaction. if they were done by african americans there would be a different reaction. what we see here is we ignore and we have statistics here showing that white men are very violent and a problem, and nothing is being done about it, and then we have the president of the united states talking about a bunch of brown people, like they're the terrorists. we have a country where every other day it seems like a white woman calls the police on a black man for barbecuing or gardening or delivering the mail. and yet we sit quietly while all these white men are out terrorizing people essentially. every time there is one of these shootings and it's a white man -- >> i'll tell you, i know we have to get to the break. one of the most frustrating things for me is the default is
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to say, when you talk about this, what about black on black crime? that's the first place your mind goes, you need to check yourself because what about people with red hair? that is not what we're talking about. there is an issue with crime. we talk about black all the time. >> let me just debunk this because we're in front of a worldwide audience. let me just say black on black crime is a myth. we live in highly segregated societies. >> you're making my point for me. >> people perpetrate crimes against their same community because we live in segregated communities. and so the highest instances of crime against white people is perpetrated by white people. >> we'll continue that in the next block. i'm saying the fact that your mind goes there says a lot about what you're trying to make an excuse for, and why you think -- why is it so uncomfortable for you -- for people to admit there is a certain segment of terrorism of crime in this country that white males are mostly responsible for. what is so hard to discuss about that?
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that's what i don't understand. and why is it so easy for us to talk about -- no one complains when we talk about black on black crime. it is as if it's supposed to be talked about and that's just how the world is. we'll continue this on the other side of the break. - meet the ninja foodi, the pressure cooker that crisps, with the best of pressure cooking and air frying all in one. with our tendercrisp technology, you can quickly cook food, juicy on the inside and crispy on the outside. go from fresh to deliciously done in half the time. which means it may become the only thing you use in your kitchen. (tapping) for cooking, at least. (upbeat music) the ninja foodi, with tendercrisp, the cooking while parenting technology. a moment of joy.
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[ cheers and applause ] oh, boy, the way glenn miller played. remember that? that was ten years ago tonight, november 4, 2018, that barack obama was elected the 44th president of the united states, making history as the first african-american to hold that office. back with me now, my political dream team. i'm not going to name all of you. >> do we get shirts? >> i was in grant park that night. we thought it was going to
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change, especially when it comes to racism, not that racism would be cured, but at least the country would be on a trajectory towards trying to become a better country especially when it comes to all people. and a continuation of our conversation we were having plus this, what do you think? >> so, i think that folks that thought it was going to change with barack obama, president obama ignored the fact we have yet to have a real conversation about race in this country. one of the things donald trump has done is forced us to have that conversation. i do not remember in my short 28 years on this world, i have seen people sit on cable news and discuss white terrorism, domestic terrorism, white supremacy, white supremacist ideology. that is a conversation we have to have. it is unfortunate donald trump, who started his political career with the racist birther theory, i.e. trafficking in white supremacist ideology, but it is unfortunate that other folks are not being held accountable for supporting and holding up what
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the president is currently doing. it's not just donald trump we have to call out. republicans who sit on capitol hill, operatives that carry the president's message -- not you, scott -- [ laughter ] >> not me. >> not you. >> and charlie retired. don't push your luck. >> not i. but that is real. when the president is stoking the fears of folks that have this, i think we called it racial anxiety, that's just fear of black and brown people. but when the president is stoking those fears and you have operatives and candidates and members of congress that run ads on that, that traffic in this bigotry and these lies and this racism across the country, they are to blame they are also complicit. unless we start calling white supremacy out when we see it which is an ideology that believes whiteness is above all, that believes in this idea of white culture, when the president is talking about these immigrants are destroying our
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culture, he is talking about white supremacist ideology. we're not only on a slippery slope, we're falling it and we have to call it out when we see it and address it and combat it. i'm waiting on folks to step up. >> don junior talking about angus king. he wants to repopulate maine with syrian and somali refugees. he'll fight for better borders and jobs in maine. sunny purdue supporting ron desantis. >> policy matters. leadership matters. that's why this election is so cotton picking important for the state of florida. i hope you all don't mess it up. >> so, he's running against tallahassee mayor andrew gillum who will become florida's first african-american governor if he wins. is that an acceptable explanation for his comment there, you think? >> well, it was a bad choice of
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words. let's face it. at the very least, a bad choice of ways. same when desantis used monkeying up. kellyanne conway after pittsburgh. i can't speak to their motivations or state of mind. they should know better. they're elected officials. they know what's going on in georgia and florida. >> i want to throw -- >> quickly, because i have to get to the break. >> very quickly. you don't know their motivation. that's fair enough. but the one thing i will say, we did mention, we talked about it earlier on this air, i'm still looking for a reasonable explanation for why donald trump at a rally says barack, pause, h., pause, obama. >> what do you need an explanation for? >> not an explanation that makes sense to me. you know what we're talking about, wink, wink, people. why else would you do that? you can't know that he just did -- sunny perdue just chose those words. donald trump who has trafficked
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in this stuff repeatedly both in his private life, in his business life and political life. what explanation other than playing on racial animus, otherness, is there another explanation -- that's it. >> there is no other explanation. >> we're talking about this like they didn't choose their words wisely. i think they chose their words exactly the way they wanted to. >> hold that thought. stay with me because i want to talk about the president's disturbing pattern of not only attacking prominent black americans but attacking them by questioning their intelligence. ♪ fight both fast tums chewy bites with gas relief all in one relief of heartburn and gas ♪ ♪ tum tum tum tums tums chewy bites with gas relief a new way to save on travel. now when you book a flight you unlock discounts on select hotels that you can use up until your trip starts. so whether you want to go out,
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i want to take a look at president trump's history of ridiculing the intelligence of prominent black americans. >> she is not qualified to be the governor of georgia. she's not qualified. obama was a patsy for russia. he was a total patsy. look at the statement he made where he thought the mics were turned off, okay? the stupid statement. he made. >> do you feel betrayed by omarosa, sir? >> low life, low life. >> she is a low i.q. individual, maxine waters. i said it the other day. honestly she's somewhere in the mid 60s, i believe. >> so, bakari, he also tweeted about -- hold on -- tallahassee mayor andrew gillum who is running for governor of florida by calling him, quote, a thief. what do you think that says about how he feels about -- the way he speaks about people of color? >> so, i feel like i've echoed this a lot. andrew gillum and stacy abrams are qualified. he has been mayor of a major
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city, capital city of florida. a great education from the florida a&m university. stacey abrams has been a minority leader, worked across party lines. she's done everything necessary. i think that's absurd. i'm sitting back because, don, one of these issues -- we talk about race. you, myself and simone have been loudoun this issue of race. in order for us to make progress, there have to be people ton this panel who don't look like you, me or simone to call out this rhetoric for what it is. >> first of all, the president is an equal opportunity insulter. you're cherry-picking african americans he's said nasty things about. there are plenty of asian people, hispanic people -- >> that he calls low life, low i.q.? >> he attacks them. those are his political opponents. to say he is criticizing -- barack obama was the previous president of the united states he's criticizing, they're criticizing each other. hang on, bakari, let me finish this. secondly, just for the record, i
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work for ron desantis. the reason why -- he shouldn't use the word thief. but andrew gillum has been under fbi investigation, did take a ticket from an under cover fbi agent and then lied about it. so, a part of the florida campaign is, is this guy being truthful? has he been a part of corruption? there is a massive corruption investigation in tallahassee and the president is talking about t. >> he's not under fbi investigation. >> trump is under fbi investigation. if you were to kick donald trump in the rear end, you'd break the back of desantis's head. he loves the president that much. if he's got a problem with somebody under fbi investigation, wait until he hears about donald trump. >> part of the problem -- don't call it a racist attack. when you're talking about someone under investigation, we call them someone who could be a criminal. he could be a criminal. >> this is the problem. >> a criminal? wait, no. he can't be a criminal. he's the mayor of tallahassee. >> he accepted a ticket from an under cover fbi agent. that's illegal. simone, that's illegal.
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>> he is not under fbi investigation. the fact of the matter, let's just be frank. why do black people always have to be thieves and low i.q.? can we allowed to the fact a white person is a thief? donald trump is the criminal who has raped and pillaged -- pardon me, i didn't mean raped. that was an analogy i didn't want to let america know. the problem is the language. and we cannot divorce the language that we're using with the history and the fact that race is a part of what's happening here. and if we ignore the fact that race is a part of our politics, if we try to be color blind and we look past it, we do not get to the root -- >> i actually agree with you on that. look, i was -- the chief of staff of the rnc when the growth and opportunity report came in, we focused on increasing the party's message to minorities. our party faces challenges on that. democrats do a disservice when
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they weapon eyize race -- >> we live with it every day. you don't understand the fact -- >> they're saying have a conversation. when we try to have the a conversation, you weapon ize those kind of comments. >> i have to get to the break. i'm sorry. this is a great conversation. >> you have to understand low i.q. is a troep that's been around a long time. people have been calling us ignorant, man tan and sleep an eat and bamboozled and all these things. when you say somebody is low i.q., we're not weaponizing language. what i'm trying to get you to understand is this has been a trope used against our people for a long period of time. criticize andrew for not being as handsome as bakari sellers and his policies aren't what they need to be. when you think low i.q., i think back to my ancestors. >> ib understand that. >> we'll be right back. ♪ let's fly, let's fly away ♪
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