tv CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera CNN November 11, 2018 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
you are live in the "cnn newsroom." thank you for being with me. i'm ana cabrera in new york. our breaking news right now, more people confirmed dead in the most horrific fire emergency california has endured in nearly 30 years. what's making this disaster even more awful is that it's not even close to over. the most destruction thus far is in northern california north of sacramento. a wildfire there as consumed more than 100,000 acres and literally everything built on it, and anything in its path. look at these cars. firefighters say in a matter of days about 6,500 family homes have burned down. the human toll from the wildfires across the state, 25 people so far found dead. more than 100 others still missing. officials and family members are frantically trying to account
for everybody who is not there, not known where they are right now. in southern california around los angeles, malibu, thousand oaks, simi valley, separate wildfires there are spreading fast pushed by strong winds and almost completely out of control. the fires are just too large, too fast for firefighters to contain them, at least for now. cnn cameras and correspondents are all over the fire zones right now. dan simon is in the completely devastated town of paradise. you've been talking to people with little more than the clothes on their backs. how did they do it? >> reporter: it was very difficult. the main road that leads in and out of town is called skyway. in fact, they call it skyway to paradise. on thursday morning it was filled with cars, people frantically trying to leave town. two people on the road for susan miller and her daughter, amber. i want to show you the video
they got as they were desperately trying to leave. >> i've never been more scared in my life. >> it's, on your, momma. >> oh, god. >> oh, my gosh. [ >> it's okay, momma. please drive. just please drive. >> i'm trying. please, god, please. let us get out safe. >> i thought the windows were going to my heashatter because so hot. everybody's trying to get out as best they can, but try not to get in accidents. >> we had the air conditioner on high, and it was still hot. >> circulating. >> i'll have nightmares for the rest of my life. this was a bucket list i never
wanted. >> reporter: like thousands of others, they are staying at a hotel trying to figure out what's next. with them is susan's father. he's an 82-year-old korean war vet. he's really terrified. he says he's homeless for the first time in his life. and quite frankly, they don't know if they will ever come back to paradise. this tells the story of what happened here in paradise that morning. all these cars just seemingly abandoned here on the side of the road. there was so much traffic when people were trying to leave, nobody could get out. so when many decided to do was leave their cars and get out on foot. i'm told that's what hundreds if not thousands of people did. ana? >> unbelievable. those images so eerie. dan simon in paradise, california. that is northern california. let's head south to los angeles area and scott mclean is in malibu. scott, two more people were found there today victims of these wildfires. how much of the work there is
search and rescue, and how much is trying to control the fires? >> reporter: yeah, there's more than 3,000 firefighters who are working to control these flames. that seems to be the number one task right now, just stopping the fire at its existing footprint. we know that they've been actively doing that today, especially in the west hills area of los angeles where there's a densely populated neighborhood there. they're trying to keep the fire in the hills nearby so it doesn't get down to where all the peoplely. here in malibu it seems like the most urgent times have come and gone, the most frightening times have come and gone, but look what this fire left-hand behind. this was likely a pretty impressive home and there's nothing left of it right now. the problem, though, is that stronger winds are expected through tuesday. you see an area there smoldering. the worry is that some of those smoldering areas can turn into
bigger ones once they're fanned by the flames. obviously there's not much left to burn in this case, but if you look at the other side, the fire got to the bottom of the canyon and racing back up, somehow miraculously it managed not to burn the condos. but there's concern about the fire burning through fuel that hasn't already burned. we're within the fire's footprint, so that doesn't mean every single house has burned, but there's a lot that haven't which could potentially, if some of these smaller fires were to start back up again. you see here there's a downed tree, burned at the bottom, likely fell over on its own. one of the hazards in this area along with downed power lines and things like that. also the air quality certainly not. if there's any upside to the wind, it's cleared out the stronger smoke. check out the view, absolutely stunning, right out to the pacific ocean. this house is just gone. it's hard to recognize anything
other than some pots and things like that. obviously, ana, this area is under mandate evacuation orders that is unlikely to change anytime soon. but, again, just with the scale of the destruction, you know you'll have two, three houses in a row that are totally gone and then the next three or four are completely intact. regardless, it will take a long time before malibu really starts to feel and look like itself again. >> no doubt about it. we see sunshine on your face. what is the weather forecast looking like? any reprieve in sight? >> reporter: probably not until tuesday night. there could be gusts of some 40 to 50 miles per hour, sustained winds of 20. seems to come and go. we haven't felt really strong winds today, but, again, doesn't mean the gusts couldn't come in this area or in other areas and that's the concern is that when those winds kick up, even if you just look over here, ana, you work see another smoldering area
on this property. again, the concern is that when the wind kicks up, some of these fires might reignite. they are red-flag conditions, ideal conditions for wildfires to start or to grow until tuesday night. even then, though, firefighters are going to have a difficult time getting a handle on this because the last word, just 10% contained. >> we're looking at live pictures, in fact, from the woolsy fire near where we are reporting from tonight. scott mclean, thank you very much. our thanks to dan simon as well. president trump when he was in france had something to say about the wildfires devastating california this weekend. he wrote, there is no reason for these massive deadly and costly forest fires in california except that forest management is so poor. he accuses officials of mismanaging the forests and adds, quote, remedy now or no more fed payments. i want to get tom sater in here.
tom, some west coast firefighters had an answer for the president. i want to read part of it to you. the head of the pasadena fire association writing, mr. president, with all due respect you are wrong. the fires are urban interface fires and have nothing to do with management. learn the facts and help the victims. tom a strong statement from the california firefighters. fact check president trump's tweet for us. >> i enjoy being in the weather department because it's neutral with the exception of climate change issues. staying out of the political arena, this is wrong on so many levels. they're right. this has nothing to do with forest management. we're not looking at dense forest here, especially down in malibu. forest management has nothing "e" nothing to do with mountain winds coming down the passes at 75 miles an hour dropping thursday from 35% down to single digits. drier than most deserts. to say remedy now or we'll take
you funds, he's already taken some of their funds. a tweet followed that made good sense. it's like taking funds from the national hurricane center until you stop all these hurricanes. it's the same notion. but more importantly, people died in their homes. they found bodies outside the homes, in their vehicles try to flee. outside their vehicles just trying to run away. we got a problem because even though the winds may lighten tomorrow for the northern area, they're going to remain strong to the south. by tuesday we may see the winds pick up just like we did on thursday. where the fires to the north were burning eight football fields a minute. santa ana winds keeping the rain out of the area. we should have five to six inches of rain since the beginning of october. we haven't had a drop. again, fingerprints of climate change there. as winds come down these mountains, they dry up and come across this dry land. look at the western u.s. here's snow in the areas of the rockies, not a cloud around.
that is the plume on thursday from the campfire. you see how it's coming right down through paradise right off shore. saturday the wind shifted and brought all that smoke inland. san francisco, san jose to fresno. all of california. let's break this down. amazing containment at 25%. over 109,000 acres continuing to burn. here's paradise in the middle. chico where everyone went for refuge. the tankers are pretty much all over the northern flank. they have hot spots here, but also working down to the south where orville is, remember the orville dam and the problems they had a couple years ago. butte valley hot spots even as we speak. the most destructive fires, top ten, most of these are thousands
of homes and businesses destroyed. now we're up to 1,600. only one year, 1991, red flag warnings most of california into the desert southwest. if you look at the southern fire, 10% caontainment. when these winds kick up in the santa anas, they're trying to save malibu right now, but, again, how about for the folks in thousand oaks. they just went through some miserable period with the shooting, and many of them are evacuating 24 hours later, or at least packing up. areas such as hidden hills, look at this. they're battling that southern flank before it gets into this region. there are so many facets the firefighters have to deal with. i'm worried about these passes.
the plume to the south, yesterday it moved back n. a lot of people had to stay indoors. to the north, critical will go away tomorrow. that's great news. but the extreme in southern california, the hill fire is 75% contained, which is fabulous, but that's going to remain intact for tomorrow. by tuesday i think we revert back to possibly the entire region looking at strong winds like we had on thursday when this first started. but forest management, not with this. >> does not sound good. tom sater, thank you for laying it all out there for us. right now in california the governor, jerry brown, is just starting to brief reporters about the devastating wildfires. let's listen in. >> -- office of emergency services. first of all, let me just say that we continue to be absolutely heart broken for everyone who's been impacted by these tremendous fires that we've been seeing. we are only four days into it,
but we continue to be very much engaged in the response. currently we have over still 149,000 people evacuated throughout the state. many of those evacuated -- this is for all the fires, the two in southern california and the fire in northern california. many have lost everything that they have. currently we have 25 people who have lost their lives so far. that's 23 at the campfire and two at the woolssy fire. there are still a number of people who are unaccounted for. we're working with local authorities to be able to identified and work with them for accounting for those unaccounted for. this is not an easy situation. we know that. it's exhausting. and it will take time. you need to know that we're doing everything that we can to battle the fires and to take
care of those that have been evacuated. we've seen communities come together time and time again, fire after fire, and other disasters in california, and we'll get through this one as well. as you see, the magnitude of destruction especially in the town of paradise is staggering. yesterday we saw this firsthand that public safety leaders went up into the area. we met with local officials to begin the discussions on the recovery process. as they're still battling the fires, we're looking at what is going to take to address the needs of the community. as a result, we clearly saw that the event in itself warranted governor brown asking fema for a presidential major disaster declaration. and that was done this morning. we've already received direct federal assistance from fema and we're appreciative of that. that is helping to bring federal resources here into the state to help the communities that have been impacted. this continues to be a unified
effort by all local, state, federal and public sector, private sector organizations and it's been exceptional. we have representatives from many state and federal agencies both here in the state operations center and in the field working around the clock managing resources, helping with shelters, school closures, hospital and medical supplies, and restoring damaged infrastructure. we've dispatched more than 1,000 mutual aid fire engines and we have roughly 3,667 firefighters from local, state, and federal government agencies on the line. we're also very grateful for assistance we received from departments across the western states. in fact, seven states are providing firefighters for california as we speak. oregon has sent 75 fire engines. washington, 45. utah, 26.
new mexico, 7. idaho, 6. montana, 20. and texas, 55. they are en route to assist us if our fire fighting effort. there's also hundreds of law enforcement officers and members of the california national guard that have been deployed protecting communities, providing law enforcement security, in areas that have been evacuated. we're committed to battling these fires with everything that we can muster here at the state and ensuring our communities and people can address their public safety needs. in the coming days we're going to continue to work with local government to set up local assistance centers. these centers will be a place where individuals who've been impacted by these fires can come and start to discuss receiving appropriate assistance. we still remain at risk from wildfires with red flag
conditions lookout the state. this should be the case through tuesday. so it's very, very important that in the meantime, you take care of yourself and your family, you be vigilant for potential notices for additional evacuations, and listen to local authorities as they share information with you. keep in mind recovery is a long journey, but we will continue to get through it. so lots happening, and i'm going to turn it over now to the director of the california department of forestry and fire, cal fire chief to talk about firefighting operations. >> good afternoon. just a quick update. actually, public safety leadership here personally visited the incident command post for the woolsy fire in ventura county, received a direct briefing from the incident command staff, and that was local officials. we are really just in the middle
of this pro-tracted weather event and this fire siege we are looking at dry conditions through at least the end of next week into next weekend, even when the wind subsides as forecasted towards the middle of this week, we are still looking at very low humidity, very dry conditions, vegetation that is critically dry from all summer. so the fire conditions will continue to exist until we get some sort of rainfall or precipitation to change that. so we are in this throughout california until further notice. and so with that, we continue to move resources. as of this afternoon we are battling three major fires, the campfire in butte count, which is 111,000 acres and 25% contained. the hill fire and the woolsy fire both starting in ventura county at approximately at the same time and burned into los angeles county.
the hill fire, great progress to report today, 70% contained. so we continue to move resources around the state to engage these existing fires, but we are looking ahead to what the potential is for the next set of fires that could occur. as this wind event moves, we are looking towards the inland empire and san diego where the wind will intensify for the next several days. we continue to monitor and provide resources. every available aircraft, aerial fire fighting is available to california and we're utilizing those resources.
aircraft are flying. in some cases they're able to fly at night. in the southern california fires they're all being utilized to the fullest extent possible. understanding conditions change at times, they may not be able to fly due to high winds or zero visibility over the fire. but we're in this for the long haul. we have, again, firefighters deployed throughout the state working with many, many partners and we'll continue to do that until these conditions subside. with that i'd like to introduce governor brown. >> i want to thank all the firefighters and first responders, the highway troll, national guard, everyone who's worked under trying conditions. our thoughts and prayers are with those that lost loved ones. this is truly a tragedy that all californians can understand and respond to and be very sympathetic. we're going to do everything we
can. we're requesting a presidential declaration funding coming from the federal government. of course there will be efforts from the state government as well. it's a time to pull together and work through this tragedy. the way i would describe it, i'm going to say something i said before. this is not the new normal. this is the new abnormal. and this new abnormal will continue certainly in the next 10 to 15 to 20 years. unfortunately the best science is telling us that dryness, warmth, drought, all those things, they're going to intensify, predictions by some scientists are that we've already gone up one degree. i think we can expect half a degree, which is catastrophic, over the next 10 to 12 years. so we have a real challenge here threatening our whole way of life. so we have to pull together. people have ideas whether it's
forest management or how to do our fire prevention. great, let's hear about them. we're going to have to invest more and more in adaptation. when we talk about things like the climate and the warming climate, we talked about words like adaptation, that's what we're talking about. and it's not millions, it's billions and tens and probably hundreds of billions even in the span of a few years. so we have lots of work to do. it is a time of sadness, but also one to reflect on where we are. this resolve to pull together and do everything we can to help those in need and to take the steps to minimize and mitigate the damage that's so obvious. thank you. >> any questions for governor brown? >> we've been listening into a press conference and update on the deadly wildfires in california that have already claimed the lives of 25 people
at least with more than 100 people still missing. you just heard there at the end from the governor of california, jerry brown, and i quote him saying this is not the new normal. this is the new abnormal. really paint ago bleak picture for what the future holds for the state of california that has now seen seven of the most destructive wildfires since october of 2017, seven of the top 20 most destructive wildfires. and he talked about inviting ideas for mitigating fire risk, including forest management and adaptation and the need for investing money into solutions in order to protect the people in that state. we'll continue to stay on top of the the wildfires and that emergency happening on the west coast. meantime on the east coast, the southeast part of the u.s., the recount of votes in the midterms is on, and so are the lawsuits. details on hadthat plus accusats
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welcome back. we have this just into the "cnn newsroom." as race for georgia governor remains undecided. the democratic party of georgia and gubernatorial candidates stacy abrams today filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the rejection of absentee ballots. the abrams campaign says it believes the secretary of state's office is grossly underestimating the number of provisional ballots that are out there. no response yet from the republican candidate, brian kemp. turning to the dramatic recount efforts in florida right now in both the senate and governor's race. it's happening already, and one key official says she doesn't have enough time to recount all of the votes before the thursday deadline. the palm beach supervisor of elections says it is impossible to meet that recount deadline.
another big development, republican senate candidate rick scott filing three lawsuits in state court hours after scott upped authe ante. >> senator nelson is clearly trying to commit fraud to win this election. that's all this is. >> wait a second, your using bell nelson of trying to commit fraud? >> his lawyer said that a noncitizen should vote. that's one. number two, he's gone to trial and said that fraudulent ballots should be counted. ballots have very been thrown out because they were not done properly. he said those should be counted. >> and you think the senator himself is committing fraud? >> well, it's his team. >> let's get right to ryan nobles with the latest from tallahassee. ryan, starting with the vote count itself, if counties can't finish the recount, tell us what
that means. >> reporter: well, the big answer to that question, ana, is if a county can't get their recount done in time, it reverts to the initial tally they submitted to the secretary of state on saturday at noon. that's important because in palm beach county the supervisor of elections there, susan butcher said she knows her county is not going to be able to to get that vote complete in time. palm beach county, a little bit different than the other counties. each one of these counties does their vote count separately and individually. they're going to look at all three of these major statewide races here in florida and they're going to recount them separately. that's one of the reasons they can't get it done on time. if they get one of those done on time, they'll certify that and send it to the secretary of state. if they can't get the other ones done on time, they will revert to the original count on saturday. that's not good news for democrats, ana, because palm beach was one of their major strongholds, all three of their candidates performed well in
palm beach and that would be a state where you would think the possibility of gaining some votes in this overall margin may occur. so the one caveat is there's certainly the possibility this could open the door to a lawsuit on the democrats' part to try and offer the opportunity for a court to say that that deadline could be extended. but as it stands right now, if the count is not done by thursday at 3:00, we go back to the number that we had on saturday. ana? >> ryan nobles in tallahassee for us. thank you for that latest. i want to talk more about this. joining us now, angel rye and jeff, adviser to the trump campaign. here's what rick scott's democratic opponent bill nelson has to say. if rick scott wanted to make sure every legal ballot is counted, he would not be suing to try and stop voters from having their legal ballot counted as intended. angel let me come you to first with this. for those who cast their bad times on time and she legally,
even if they weren't tabulated on time, shouldn't everyone want those votes to count. >> what your seeing are people who have had a strangle hold on democracy for a long time. it should not be a surprise to anyone we're talking about the democratic process in counting votes when we have also the opportunity to make history in florida and georgia with two potentially black governors on the ballot. it's no surprise at all so it's interesting for me to hear someone like rick scott talking about fraud when we know fraud is hardly ever the case. the only fraud in these elections are the fact that folks still want to suppress votes this many years after the 1965 voting rights act. it should be of no surprise to us at all that after shelby versus holder was heard at the supreme court that folks are still trying to play with people's lives by suppressing people's votes and they should
do better. but of course that's not what we're seeing today. >> jeff, should every vote count? >> sure, every vote should count. legal votes should count. but illegal votes were put in the mix and, of course, they shouldn't count. >> where are your facts coming from? there's the evidence. >> no one is disputing that illegal votes were mixed in with illegal votes. >> i'm disputing it. >> i don't think anybody's agreed to that. >> commissioner snipes agreed to that. she said we should put them together because there are just a few of those and the rest of them are legal. under her watch, illegal votes are put in and she's arguing we should count illegal votes. >> hold on because facts are important here. i can tell you the secretary of state's office told us they received no complaints of illegal criminal activity regarding this election and the vote tally. >> this is fascinating. >> they have a lawsuit currently with rick scott who just filed a lawsuit alleging that there were
votes counted after that deadline that were included ultimately in the total, but that hasn't been sorted out yet. >> ana, what is sorted out, which is beyond dispute, is it's been acknowledged and organized that illegal votes that she submitted to get wigether, that the way this works. >> that's not a real thing excuse me, can i just clihime i here? >> there is no evidence of criminal activity. >> the fdle said there was no evidence of fraud. fdle -- okay, so here's the thing. you can talk over me, but that doesn't make you right. that's not accurate. >> you're talking about something different. that doesn't make what you're -- >> you don't want to hear what i got to say and this is the problem. the reason why you are all screaming voter fraud, the reason why ron desantis has all these folks camped outside of
broward county screaming is because you're afraid of what the truth may b. the truth is they didn't win these elections. >> the truth is it's always the democrats, they said in advance -- >> once you get to the period, i'm chime in. go ahead. >> fine. the democrats in the last election already said that if the republicans lose or when the republicans lose, they're going to claim voter fraud and it was rigged. democrats are simple telling what their playbook is. >> but you're the one saying fraud. >> all the allegations are that it never works the other way. turns out there's massive fraud going a long time in florida in these counties and brenda snipes said illegal ballots were mixed in with legal ballots. >> this is the fifth time you've tried to lie so let me now chime in and fix this. what i'm saying to you is governor scott, he went ahead and put fdle on this and they
said there's no evidence of voter fraud. you all continue to work diligently to suppress votes all over this country because you know what happens when real democracy shows up. y'all don't win, and that is the fact of the matter. broward county, palm beach county don't video the resources they need to count all of the votes. that is what is taking this process so long. initially-like you, i was upset at brenda snipes until i realized that her county has been underresourced. they are trying to ensure that every vote is counted. i have story after story in my twitter feed of folks saying they turned in their ballot a week early and they just found out that their vote wasn't counted because it didn't arrive until november 9th. the only fraud there is why are those votes hiding somewhere? >> yet, it seems the democrats are not only arguing that illegal votes should be counted, by the way, democrats -- >> i'm not arguing that. >> is that something you couldn't hear? >> i have not heard anybody
argue illegal votes should be counted. i have to end the conversation here. >> noncitizen votes are illegal votes. >> i'm sorry, you're not speaking about facts right now. >> that is not on cnn's website. there is no evidence of large-scale voter fraud happening. and it is true the florida department of law enforcement doesn't have an investigation because there was no complaint made about illegal fraud. there were election monitors throughout this election process. >> absolutely. >> there is still ongoing litigation after the filing with ricky scott. we'll hold judgment and get the answers, but let's not jump to conclusions without the evidence itself. thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> let me read you the quote we got from the florida secretary of state. quote, no evidence of criminal activity in the election tabulation process. president trump landing back
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instead. the group that did go drove. when the president appeared later with other world leaders at a ceremony today, he was rebuked by french president emmanuel macron for his proud nationalism and america-first policies. >> patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying our interests first, who cares about the others? we erase what a nation holds dearest what gives it life, what makes it great, and what is essential. it's moral values. >> that brings us to the weekend presidential brief, a segment we bring you every sunday night highlighting the most pressing information the president will need when he wakes up tomorrow. joining us now cnn national security analyst sam vinograd who spent two years in the obama administration helping to prep for the president's daily brief.
sam, you traveled to nearly 20 countries working with president obama. again, you have been part of a number of presidents daily briefings. do you think they'll be talking about the paris trip? >> we did after-action assessments to talk about what we accomplished. and i think this time around the after-action assessment is really going to be focused on what the president didn't say. despite president macron's so vociferously denouncing nationalism, the president stayed silent and in doing that he really picked a team. his silence in france adds momentum to nationalist movements in the united states and in countries throughout europe. silence speaks volumes. he not only stayed silent on nationalism, he also stayed silent on another key destabilizing force in europe and around the world, and that's russia. not surprising, he's never criticized putin very much in the past, but when he was on the world stage ed and an
opportunity to really lay out security risks, he, again, gave putin a pass. words matter, especially those that are unsaid. >> as he gives attention for what he didn't do, what he didn't accomplish in france this week, what did he accomplish? >> ana, i can tell you we worked a lot when i was physically in the white house and we worked even more when we were on the road because there were so many opportunities for engagement, especially at summits. they're like speed dating for meetings because there were so many counterparts around. so the president's decision to really do the bare minimum in france and to skip three summits in asia which just kicked off this week, he really signaled to the world and to his counterparts that he's disinterested in actually grammy and disinterested in actually multilateralism. he had several hours yesterday afternoon and chose to spend those by himself. that leaves a lot of unfinished business on the table, despite his twitter feed, forest
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el chapo, the mere mention of the notorious mexican drug lord can strike fear. el chapo, also known as joaquin guzman ran a drug empire worth billions in northern mexico and some say he could still be in charge. own from behind bars. but this week he'll be in a new york courtroom as el chapo goes on trial for international drug trafficking, conspiring to murder rivals, gun charges, money laundering. this is a trial so fraught with potential danger the jurors are anonymous and will have armed u.s. marshals transporting them to and from court. joining us to discuss is joseph lopez, also known as the shark. he's a criminal defense attorney and his clients include members of the drug cartel and also joining us is jury consultant richard gabriel. good to have both of you with me. both with great expertise to lend to the conversation. richard, let mow start with you. this is el chapo. how do you keep this jury safe? >> well, it's a big challenge because the anonymity thing
really does depend on how much information those jurors shared about themselves during the jury selection process. i think one of the jurors actually said during the process that one of her neighbors had identified her as a juror when she realized that she hadn't been at work that day, so it's -- it depends on how much information there is out there. i think as we've seen in a lot of these high-profile trials, it's sometimes not that difficult to get information, even from small pieces of information about the jurors and to discover who they are, so it's really how that impacts their feeling of safety and how much it impacts how they listen to the evidence in the case. >> joseph, what's your perspective knowing what el chapo is capable of? how big of an issue is security for those jurors? >> i -- i don't really think there's going to be a real issue with security. i mean, we're here in the united states. el chapo is down there. i don't think the jurors will be in danger. the government is always screaming in cases like this. there's dangers, there's dangers, it's dangerous.
i don't see any dangers. i think the anonymous jury is sufficient enough to guard against any type of dangers. it's like any other case. >> would el chapo exact revenge on the jurors if they convict him? would he order his people to do something? >> i don't think -- i don't see it as a reality. el chapo knows he's in the united states and knows that's not something you can do here. he's already promised he won't harm the jurors. it's overreaction. i don't think anything is going to happen. the case will go smoothly and it will happen just like any other trial will happen. >> i hope you're right. richard, a number of jurors indicated during jury selection they really didn't know much about el chapo, one young woman indicating she didn't know what a drug cartel men. as a jury consultant, is this what you're looking for in a juror? >> as much as possible you do want blank slate jurors, jurors who are neutral and who haven't necessarily heard much about the case. that being said, i'm not sure they haven't heard much about
him because they could easily go home and use the google and look up this type of thing. whether they have never heard the term drug cartel before, i don't know about that either. you worry about two jurors who have so little information that they are not sophisticated about it because you do make the assumption that for the most part jurors are of the world. they have heard about things, and it's an extra layer in these high-profile trials that you're always looking for, how much do they know about the case? what kind of pre-existing opinions and beliefs? what are their own experiences that they bring to the table because that becomes the filter through which they are going to listen to the evidence. i do think that this is not a trial that's going to be like any other trial. you've got all kinds of layers. you do have the potential danger, even though may not be real. jurors may perceive that it's real, and so that adds an extra layer of tension. they know they are being watched and they note media is watching this case. they know that they are being protected, and so that adds an extra layer and an extra layer of import.
whether that helps the defense in the case or helps the prosecution, we don't know. it can actually harm both of them, but it makes it more difficult, more challenging than an ordinary trial. >> joseph, if el chapo is convicted, what message will that send to other drug lords? >> well, it's going to send the same message it always sends, that if you come to the united states and you sell drugs, you're going to get convicted. it's not going to deter anybody. we've be we've been lock up drug dealers for the last 20, 25 years so it won't deter anyone in mexico. the gotti case and family secrets care, all the high-profile cases with all of the kingpins and wise guys and no one has ever been harmed by any defendant who has ever been convicted of anything that i know of since i've been practicing law for 30 years, so i don't really see it as a security issue, and i know the jurors will feel a lot better because their names won't be published in the newspaper and maybe their neighbors won't know who they, and i understand that.
i think it can actually help both sides in a case like this so the jurors can be able to think about what they are doing without any outside influences and without being scared, so i think it's kind of a good thing in a situation like this. >> joseph "the shark" lopez and richard gabriel, great to have both of you with us. thanks for your insight. >> back to our top story, break news. the california wildfires, some residents had only five minutes warning to get out. we'll go live to the fire zone just ahead in the cnn newsroom. , we really pride ourselves on making it easy to get your windshield fixed. >> teacher: let's turn in your science papers. >> tech vo: this teacher always puts her students first. >> student: i did mine on volcanoes. >> teacher: you did?! oh, i can't wait to read it. >> tech vo: so when she had auto glass damage... she chose safelite. with safelite, she could see exactly when we'd be there. >> teacher: you must be pascal. >> tech: yes ma'am. >> tech vo: saving her time... [honk, honk] >> kids: bye! >> tech vo: ...so she can save the science project. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪
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