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this is gps, the global public scare. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll begin today's show on the other side of the globe. world leaders have been meeting this weekend. one leader has been noticeably absent from this year's apex summit, donald trump. why isn't he there? also, what in the world is going on with brexit? we'll tackle all of it with a terrific panel. and the 2018 mid-terms are over, sort of. now it's time to learn some
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lessons and look ahead to 2020. it big question, should democrats zig left or zag towards the center to beat donald trump? we'll have a debate. finally, we'll put the art into artificial intelligence. can you pick out which of these paintings was painted by a robot? stay tuned to find out. but first, here's my take. it's easy to get distracted by the circus of the trump presidency. we all do, but what is its larger affect? for an answer take a look at three gatherings this week on the other side of the planet attended by all the major, they're particularly important because countries in the region are trying to navigate the seismic power shift taking place there, the rise of china.
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for this it is crucial they understand the role of the world's current super power, the united states. but the president of the united states is mia. donald trump chose to skip the summits and send vice president mike pence in his place, yet china's president xi jengpening, russia's vladimir putin and india nan ddra modi all visited. a persistent complaint has been while the united states worries about the rise of the peninsula, it is abandoning the field to beijing. it does not take the time to attend meetings, shape the agenda, shore up its alliances, deepen its ties in the region. trump's continued lack of influence will only feed this sphere. ware seeing the trump effect on the retreat on trade initiatives as well.
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moving toward completion in the region had been the transpacific partnership and the regional comprehensive partnership. trump pulled america out of the tpp undermining the fact goal of giving asian countries a system, and after 24 rounds of negotiations of the recp which includes cheena. india is trying to protect its market from chinese import. other countries are trying to keep india service industries out, and everyone is trying to take solace this is all simply an echo of what the world's super power, the united states is doing with its own trade organization. i've said this before and continue to believe the trump administration has a valid point about the china's abuse of the trading system. and it is right to get tough with beijing. but it's grossly -- trump said
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in july -- >> if we didn't trade we'd save a hell of a lot of money. >> this statement is simply false. the expansion of trade since 19d 50 raised u.s. gdp to the tune of $2.1 trillion in 2016. that is the equivalent of the gain of 7,014 per person or 18,131 per household. it can also have the effect of creating habits of cooperation, even peace as it has done in europe and as it might help to do in asia. american leaders have understood that for decades until now. en1998 ronald reagan said in a radio address. >> we should be aware of the
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demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends weakening our economy on national security and the entire free world. all while cynically waving the american flag. the expansion of the international economy is not a foreign invasion. it is an american triumph. one he worked hard to achieve and central to a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom. >> for more go to and read my "the washington post" column. and let's get started. let's keep the conversation going about asia with today's panel. kirk campbell was president obama's asestitasistant secreta state. he now runs a strategic advisory goal, a group focused on asia.
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a business columnist for the financial times and cnn's global economic analyst. and the founder and president of you're asia group and columnist for time magazine. let me start with you. you wrote a very significant article in foreign affairs in which you said that basically both sides of the aisle, republicans ha republicans and democrats had gotten china wrong. it's caused a lot of controversy, but what is the implication for u.s. policy towards china? in a sense are you saying what donald trump represents is the new normal of much tougher policy towards china? >> thank you, fareed. first, i would say i think the argument of the piece was more that the conditions have changed. i actually think a collection of bipartisan group did follow the right strategy for decades. but the course that china has chosen is quite different from
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what we had hope frdd for a lon period of time. and now that requires us to have a fairly significant rethinking of what the strategic approach to the united states and other countries should be towards china and a rising asia. the argument, however, is very different from what the policy description of what the president has proposed. what we need is a multifaceted approach that frankly involves participating in the kinds of summits and engagements that the president is missing this week, plus a multifaceted trade in diplomatic stradagy th diplomatic strategy that's reminds them the united states intends to play an important role for decades to come. >> is there a sense people are genning to people we are entering into a new kind of cold war? >> there certainly is a growing concern about that. i mean, the notion that china as its become wealthier, is
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absolutely not going to politically reform, and they're going to create institutions that are not complementary to the united states but rather are competitive, that's a sense that not only the americans and europeans have but also sing porrians, indonesians, malaysians, people on the ground very concerned the u.s. might not be as committed to them but their future under a chinese umbrella is a problem. and there's no question that in the technology space china is developing an alternative internet and alternative ai system. and that feels increasingly like a cold war with the united states. the question is on trade and whether president trump is really planning to squeeze the chinese and work on executing and implementing a new normal between the two countries or whether he's going to meet with them in a couple of weeks and say, hey, we've got some money, and i could decisively see trump doing the latter.
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>> you say building on this idea of the future, we're actually entering this kind of tripolar world where there's going to be a european sphere, a u.s. sphere and a transasian sphere. >> and china is really developing an ecosystem where it will lead but there will be other nations that will come into that orbit. i spoke recent lee a chinese verver capitalist who told me he doesn't expect to make deals anymore in the u.s. to invest but that's okay because he sees cheena as kind of a u.s. market post world war ii. the big point is how will the u.s. engage, that's where the vast majority of the growth is. are we going to come together or is that going to be bifurcated as well. >> before we take a break, ian's
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question, there really seems to be a division in the administration there, the deal makers who say let's scare china and get a better deal. and there's people who feel like peter navarro, we need to have a break, disinen tangle this economic relationship. which do you think will prevail? >> i actually think it's easy as two groups. there's definitely a group that says if china buys more stuff in the united states, boeing, jets, and, you know, ranching products, farm stuff that we can resettle accounts a bit and the president can tout those as examples of his leadership. there's another group that says, no, it needs to be deeper. structural reforms, china discarding 2025 and allowing more american technology and other firm's engagement, honest and fair engagement in china and
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there's even a third group that says, no, what we really need to do is disentangle our economies and the united states has to go about its business independent from china. i'm kind of where ian is, though. i think each of these groups vies for attention with the president. the president is the ultimate decision-maker. what's fascinating about the relationship is the relationship between our two countries has never been complicated or more complex. but fundamentally the institutions that have been taxed for decades to manage the relationship have never been less influential. ultimately every major decision is made by two men. both of whom share some, impatient, and they both believe
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fundamentally in their ability to believe decisions under pressure. the most important bilateral meeting we have seen between the united states and china is about to take place in a couple of weeks and anyone knows what the outcome will be. >> don't go away. when we come back we are going to talk about the wild week across the pond. what is next for britain, brexit and theresa may when we come back. this is dell cinema technology
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to brexit or not to brexit, that remains the question for britain. prime minister theresa may presented her draft plan for leaving the eu to her cabinet on wednesday, a sort of soft brexit and on thursday came a raft of resignations and many question whether may can actually get this deal down. let's bring back the panel. ian, this seems like a bit of a freak show or there may be other ways to describe it, but it's not working out. >> finally something everyone in the u.k. can agree upon, which is they don't like this deal. and the fact is the u.k. and prime minister may is really is in an untenable position, which she's trying to act domestically as if she can get a better deal than the status quo ante, and that is not possible. and she's trying to negotiate as if she's an equal you've got the
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world's fifth largest economy negotiating with a world super power. she can spin it domestically but as the rubber hits the road especially because there's not a sense of falling a cliff and there's a razor edge of the potential exit and nothing is forcing the political players in the u.k. to have to compromise. everyone's still playing politics, you know, the way senator osborn and when you put the referendum forward in the first place. she's going to face in all likelihood a no confidence vote which she could win or lose. but this deal she put forward for 14 hours it looked like oh, they made progress, they made no progress whatsoever. >> what that means basically is what britain is looking for is access to the european market
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and they're saying you can only get that if you're a full member. there's no prospect they can get the deal they're fantasizing about getting. >> the most likely outcome here is there is a vet of no confidence, theresa may wins it though barely, she then has a year where they can't have another such vote, and she puts forward a slightly tweaked deal, but it gets to be truly towards the end of negotiating where suddenly the british market feels it's going to implode if the u.k. doesn't support it, if the parliamentarians doesn't support it. sometimes they say when you take a problem and fix it, you need to make it bigger. >> but all of this brings us back to your column which is the
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word is actually moving towards deglobization. you see in the usa-china relationship supply chains are coming home. >> it's interesting. a lot of the ceos i speak are kind of in a period of willful blindness about this. we've had 40 years of the global economy working in one particular way, and all that's changing right now. i agree with ian's analysis with what's going to happen with brexit. i think it's very possible you're going to see it go into the a period of renegotiation. but whuiothink about it from europe's perspective and germany's perspective they can't afford to let more countries fall out of the union. i think the rules of the game are changing but the heads of these nations, the global elite and the business community are waiting to see if blinks first. who's going to move their supply chain? everyone's talking about it. we're all in doubt.
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i think ultimately until you get real political cohesion you're going to have economic volatility and certainly market volatility. >> what does this like from asia? they're looking at europe, the yuns and what are they seeing? >> it's such a critical period. when asians look at the west, look at the united states and europe and certainly what's going on now in brexit and in the hallways in washington, the disharmony and disunity is terribly anxiety provoking in every capital of the nation. i think what it does is it causes those countries to think i've got to get my best deal with china, and i've got to think more about my neighborhood because these countries that have played such a large role in helping shape our environment through trade, through institutions and through
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defense, they're not as reliable in the future as they have been in the past. >> fascinating. pleasure to have you all on. we will have you back. all right, next up where in the world is the largest tech incubator? it is not in silicon valley. it is actually not in china. it is an unlikely lotion, and we will take you there when we come back. build attendance for an event. help people find their way. fastsigns designed new directional signage. and got them back on track. get started at and got them back on track. i just got my ancestrydna results: 74% italian. and i found out that i'm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot! calabria. it even shows the migration path from south italia all the way to exotico new jersey! so this holiday season it's ancestrydna per tutti!
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comcast business. beyond fast. now for our what in the world segment. when you think of the industrial revolution you might think of europe and its railways, the cutting edge of technology of the time that unlocked explosive growth. so perhaps it's fitting that in a massive abandoned railway depot in southeast paris the next great hope for the french economy is taking root. it's called station f, and its founders call it the largest startup incubator in the world. it spans more than 300,000 square feet and includes more than 1,000 startups. inincubator represents the entrepreneurial spirit president emmanuel macron hopes to foster in france. but it was built with private
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money of the french telecom billionaire. facebook and microsoft have both launched programs working with startups there. so is station f the silicon valley of paris? we asked its director. >> i think station f, a lot of people think it looks very much like silicon valley because we have a high density of startups, a lot of startup ecosystems based on campus, but we don't want to necessarily be compared with silicon valley. we like to think what's happening here is very unique and to the ecosystem in europe. >> so what is happening in the startup ecosystem in europe? london is still the tech hub but post-brexit france may have an opportunity to catch up. after his election macron announced an $11 billion fun for innovation. passed labor reforms designed to
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help businesses and hire workers. and he launched a tech veelsa. and there are signs of growth. in 2017 french venture capital firms raised up $3.2 billion from 2014. and the found sers of station f one of the companies is led by two american entrepreneurs. their startup offers computer training to poor communities including migrants and refugees in france. it even teaches a cohort of students to code and works to place them in jobs. >> what we saw there were quite a few short-term solutions to integration and not necessarily a plethora of long-term solutions. particularly here in europe it's access to opportunities, access to jobs. >> and of course there are many
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french entrepreneurs working as well. he shared with us a video simulation created for investors of what he hopes the final product will look like. the vision equipped headset will be able to recognize olthat and transmit that information to the user. >> i was wonder why are we building autonomous car, why are we sending robots to mars and why are we not creating things for the blind and the visually impaired. >> so can all this tout the
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french economy and banish the image of labor strikes and a 35-hour workweek? well, france still has a long way to go to become a vibrant tech hub. macron has made progress, but the company does need more reforms including labor reforms. it also needs a broader cultural innovation. initiatives like station f and a lot more like them could be the start of a revolution. next on gps, how to take on donald trump and his republican party as they prepare for battle in 2020. should the democrats court the senseless or move to the left? the great debate when we come back. don't forget if you miss a show go to for a link to my itunes podcast.
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so did the democrats achieve a blue wave in the 2018 mid-term elections earlier this month? i'll leave it to the american political pundit class, but i think it's safe to say they did pretty well. the left wing party picked up more than 30 seats in the house of representatives to give it a majority in that chamber. in the senate the republicans still hold a majority, of course. so of course the question is what should the democrats do to learn from and build on the successes in 2020? should the party electrify and diverse its base or veer to the center and pick up wayward independents and trumpers true?
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joining us now to discuss steve philips, now an author, civil rights leader of the founder of democracy in color. and peter is a contributor to cnn and the atlantic and a professor of journalism at cuny. let me start with you and ask us to give the overall picture, because it does seem to me it's a little bit mixed. democrats do about as well in term of seat gape it seems as in 2006. most of the districts in the country moved left. the times took one of these massive surveys and found out the average moved more than 10% left. but then when you look at it and see when you compare it to the gapes they made in 2006, it was not as impressive in term of this overall shift, and when you compare it to the republican gains in the election of 2010
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after obama, and health care it's nowhere nearly as impressive. the republican gained the average seat in america went 19% to the right compared to 10% to the left. so what's the sort of overall picture? >> the overall picture the democrats did a good job of mobilizing their base, but donald trump also did a reasonable job of mobilizing his base, which is trumpism is not a fluke. donald trump who i think is a horrific president does have a capacity to scare and mobilize rural, particularly white voters, and he brought those people out enough to save the senate for republicans. >> steve, you see it i think more positively, right? >> yeah, fundamentally it's important to begin recognizing this president has never enjoyed majority support in this country. he lost the popular election by $3 million votes, he did not even get 50% in the mid-term
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elections. so what you saw was the beginning of a wave merely of people who are bearing the brunt of the attacks of this president standing up and fighting back and winning all across the country. and so it's not a complete victory yet, but it's a strong affirmation that there is majority that has a different vision from what the president is pursuing, and it was finally manifested in the electoral poll last week. >> peter, when you look at it i think the big question was nancy pelosi's strategy the right one? i think it's fair to say nancy pelosi setout a very clear strategy which is we're not going to make this about trump, about impeachment, we're not even going to go into the issue that trump wants us to like immigration. we're going to talk about our issues that are more in a sense centrist, in a sense they're practical concerns people have
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about the economy, jobs, health care and such. did it work? >> it absolutely worked. i mean the problem is the democrats had to win to retake the house. a lot of zrdistricts that eithe voted for trump or were historically republican districts. and in those districts talking about impeaching donald trump wouldn't have worked. democrats didn't talk about the russia probe at all, and in fact in those districts people wanted more civility. that might have been a pipe dream in the era of donald trump, but they actually wanted to go and let people get things down even with the president. and what nancy pelosi understood was that the issue of health care and maintaining free and existing conditions against the republican effort to repeal obamacare wasn't something the democrats ran on in the most blue districts and even the most red districts, and that a very true strategy. >> steve, when you look at the math and you say do the math,
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the democratic party needs to move left not center? >> well, it's fundamentally about what is the vision of the country and what is the priorities and values of which the groupings are read. so we live in a country now where the president of the united states of is trying to roll back its name for greater inclusion and equality in our higher set of values based upon diversity. misogyny, racism, xenophobia are hallmarks of this administration. are you going to unequivocally stand up against that or some people in the democratic party feel you have to accommodate and do a lowest common denominator strategy. >> there actually aren't a lot of persuading tribes in america. we have two tribes and trump is very good at bringing out his
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tribe and the democrats should be better at bringing out there tribe. >> i don't highly agree with that. in a country that's very, very split those people are still really important. i think a big part of the reason donald trump won is he reversed the republican party position on free trade and didn't talk at all about social security or medicare. that helps hill. he wanted 10% for people when had voted for bernie sanders. they can do it i think above all by saying trump was a fraud. he promised you a kind of economic security in fact was pursuing the same old economic policy to make your life more difficult. and that worked for voters of every different race and gender. fascinating conversation which we'll continue on this program in the months of ahead. thank you both. up next, how serbia, an
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when you think of people who have led serbia i'm guess yugoslavia think of strong men. there was of course the infamous communist ruler joseph tito. and the end of the 20th century it was run by a brutal nationalist. in 1999 he became the first sitting head of state to be indicted by an international tribunal. so i found it interesting that today serbia, a country that is 85% orthodox christian has a head of government who is not a man and not the leader one might expect. prime minister ana is a gay female. when she was in new york recently she came to the studio
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to tell me about herself and how she came to become prime minister. pleasure to have you on. >> thank you for inviting me. >> i want you to elus a little bit about serbia because at one level it's a very conservative country, it's orthodox, and yet you have an astonishingly high number of members of parliament who are women. you have three of the four people who set your monetary policy for women. these are among the highest numbers in the world. how do you explain that from tradition? >> well, i think serbia is changing and the results show, you know, we have to deal with a lot of i would think today full preces about serbia, you know, that stems from the past. but serbia's changing and with we are going in the right direction. i actually think we're going very, very fast in the right
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direction and i'm proud of it. in some cases like the women empowerment politics are actually leading the way compared to businesses whereas, you know, businesses should lead the way. in politics in serbia, you know, we have a woman who's the president of the parliament, the parliament speaker, we have the governor of the national bank who's a woman, myself who's a prime minister. and in my government i have very, very powerful women. my deputy prime minister and minister of infrastructure is a woman, my minister of justice a woman. my minister of integration, we really have strong women in power and it's great to see. >> your own story is even more unusual and distinctive because you're not just a woman but you're a gay woman. how difficult was it to grow up
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in serbia under those circumstances? >> i was very lucky. i was very, very fortunate. i had always full support from my family and full support from all of my friends or closest friends. and so for me growing up in serbia suz pret serbia was pretty much like growing up anywhere else. so i'm not the best person to talk about it. but again if you know who you are and you run with it then other people will learn to cope with it and accept it. but, you know, obviously the support from family and friends is paramount. you know, if me as an openly gay woman prime minister is helping at least one person in serbia or elsewhere in the region or in the world feel better about
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>> you make it easier than people tell me it was. when you go into politics, at that point have you had people oppose you, denounce you? >> absolutely. absolutely. from day one. but again, there i had the huge support from the president of the country who is also the president of the largest political party that supports me and supports the government in the parliament. so i had a huge backing. without that backing, i don't think i would be able to become the prime minister. we had a lot of opposition to this. some religious communities, some from the opposition parties and some from the parties who are supporting the government and the coalition and actually did
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not vote for me and my government in the parliament because of my sexual orientation. >> do you get attacked on social media? >> i do. very often. these are very -- >> nasty? >> really nasty stuff. >> how do you handle it personally? >> it's difficult. it makes my life difficult. more difficult to do my job. you kind of need a special focus and strength to disregard that and focus on what's very important. that is my job and what i will be able to do for the citizens of serbia. i make it -- i also want to be a very transparent prime minister. i want to be active on the social networks. i want to be approachable to people. i made it my policy not to block
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people on the social media. which is sometimes making it more difficult. i don't want to block people on the social media. i also want to sometimes even see. then i know how other people who do not have the support that i had, how they feel and what they are going for. it's important for me, although it makes my life sometimes -- i do get really, really tire and depressed because of that. i enjoy on the other hand, on the positive side, i enjoy every single little success that we have as the government and as the country. i really rejoice it and that gives me power to continue. >> prime minister, pleasure to have you on. thank you for your invitation. it was my pleasure to be here. >> we'll be right back. visitor . improve our workflow. attract new customers.
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as for california, it isn't the only state to want to abandon daylight saving time, but state lawmakers and congress need to approve the switch before the pesky time changes are officially history. thanks for all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. far. >> hello everyone, and thank you very much for joining me. breaking news into cnn. florida's recount is now over with rick scott leading bill nelson by a little more than 10,000 votes. don't forget about the governor's race in florida. andrew gillum conceding yesterday to ron desantis. ryan nobles is in tallahassee. bring us up to date and what would happen next. >> reporter: and the secretary of state's office posted the