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thanksgiving, and hope you have lovely, safe long weekends. thanks for being with us here at cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. keep it right here. jim sciutto is in for jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. could president trump be exchanging his chief of staff this black friday? "the lead" starts right now. west wing clashes, tweets, and could it be capped off with another firing? breaking today. another controversial figure possibly ready to flip and help robert mueller investigate the trump campaign. who he is and what he could know about the russians. plus, throwing shade. the man who chronicled the obama years in pictures just keeps on trolling trump with a photo contrast every face palm of this administration.
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welcome to "the lead." the special edition. i'm jim sciutto. we begin with the politics lead. a very trumpian thanksgiving and dark black friday for the president of the united states. today a preview of the next two years in washington with a democratic-controlled house. top house intelligence committee democrat adam schiff already declaring that the committee will investigate president trump's response to the murder, the brutal murder, of u.s.-based journalist, jamal khashoggi. and the top democrat on the senate armed services committee, jack reed, accusing president trump of lying about the cia report on the killing. cnn's kaitlan collins in west palm beach, florida, near where he's spending the holiday. president trump now encouraging democrats and republicans to come together, political kum ba yah moment here? >> reporter: well, jim, the president still has a few more days here in palm beach, about but he's already setting the stage for a legislative fight when he gets back to washington. he is putting his border wall
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front and center and even threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get it. under sunny skies in palm beach, florida, president trump volunteering to spend his day on the golf course. after punching out a pair of morning tweets on the border wall and criminal justice reform. the president's low-key day coming after a thanksgiving spent listing his complaints. >> it's a shame. it's a disgrace, frankly. hello and happy thanksgiving. >> reporter: it started with a call to members of the military, meant to dial down criticism he hasn't visited a single war zone since becoming president. >> i want to thank you all for serving. >> reporter: but it quickly turned from a word of thanks to an airing of grievances as he took aim at the 9th circuit court of appeals -- >> it's a terrible thing when judges take over your protective services, when they tell you how to protect your border. it's a disgrace. >> reporter: the caravan -- >> tremendously dangerous people in those caravans. and we do not want them coming
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into the united states. >> reporter: even bringing up the border wall. >> took old, broken wall, and we wrapped it with barbed wire, plus. >> reporter: but he didn't stop there. speaking to reporters after hanging up, trump brushed off the cia's assessment that the saudi crown prince ordered the assassination of jamal khashoggi. >> they have feelings certain ways. >> reporter: giving weight to mbs' denials. >> whether he did or whether he didn't, he denies it vehemently. >> reporter: the president echoing his doubts that russia interfered in the 2016 election. >> i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> reporter: trump's statement standing with saudi, eliciting criticism from washington. >> the notion that they didn't reach a conclusion is just unsubstantiated, that the cia has made clear.
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>> reporter: the president also threatened to shut down the southern border and the government. >> could there be a shut down? there could and it would be about border security. >> reporter: asked what he was thankful for, the president looked inward. >> having made a tremendous difference in this country. i've made a tremendous difference in the country. >> reporter: now, jim, the president feels he's made a tremendous difference in this country, but now it's a question of if he's going to make a difference in his cabinet. he said he's going to be interviewing several job candidates while spending time here at his mar-a-lago club in palm beach. though he didn't elaborate on which job. the white house has called a lid for the day, meaning we aren't expecting to see president trump again until tomorrow. jim? >> seems a lot of folks might be on the hit list. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. let's go to our panel now. as always, surrounded by smart people. so let me start with you, andre
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braugher. congressman schiff has told the "washington post" the committee is going to investigate the president's handling of the cia assessment on the killing of jamal khashoggi. now, we know, our own reporting and the reporting of other outlets, this was a high-confidence assessment, this was directed by the crown prince. the president, you heard his comments yesterday, saying these were just feelings expressed by the cia and not anything else. that's something the committee can investigate. should the president be worried those findings will contradict his public statements on this? >> i don't think so. adam schiff is probably one of the most partisan individuals in washington. he got more tv time this year than probably anderson cooper, and he's made no mistake he's going to go after the president as hard as he possibly can. he's done it on russia now for two years. it is sad he's going to have this position, and he's not talking about what he can do to work with republicans and other democrats to move our country forward, but instead he wants to continue on a -- what i think is
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an assassination of the president, where he just continues to go after him. >> come on -- we're talking about how the president handles intelligence. there is a track record here. the president denied previously a high-confidence assessment from the intelligence community that russia intervened in the election. he did it for months and months. stood next to the russian president and said i believe his denial and now another high confidence assessment from the intelligence community, not a partisan organization, whatever you think of adam schiff here, and the president again says i take the accused opinion over the opinion -- the assessment of my own intelligence services. that's the question there. is that something the president should be concerned about? >> i don't -- the president doesn't -- i think we know, the president doesn't pay attention to these continued shots over the bow. he focuses on what he thinks is important for the american people. and he's kind of kept a deaf ear to this stuff of the continual beat the drum, just like russia.
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not yet have they in any way found collusion. the big thing was collusion. collusion with the trump campaign and russia. and it's just not there. adam schiff has been unsuccessful, and this is the new attempt. but this will not be the last. he will continue to take things where he thinks he can drive some wedge between the american people and the president instead of moving forward. and it's unfortunate, because, quite frankly, whatever he comes up with is not going to do anything to help the people of this country. >> okay. well, jackie kucinich, your point of view on that. >> hmmm. so adam schiff is someone that is going to be adversarial with the president. he is the opposing party, and he's about to take over the intelligence committee, which, under a devin nunes, frankly was broken. and the russia investigation was broken there. so we'll see how he chooses to approach this. because democrats do have to worry about overplaying their hands here. that said, he's also not going to be alone. you know, if he's looking into
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the president's finances and trump's finances as it relates to saudi arabia, he also has the house ways and means committee is going to be asking for the president's tax returns. so a lot of democratic house chairman are going to be coming at the president. and he's not going to be able to, you know, insult his way out of this. >> alice stewart, on the positive side here, in the midst of -- we don't have to say it again, a very divisive, partisan washington, you had the president tweet this morning, republicans and democrats must come together, finally with a major border security package, which will include funding for the wall. we've heard the punitive exchange here for some time. you give me money for my wall, maybe i'll make a deal on daca. is that an exchange you believe this president and democratically controlled house would be willing to make? >> i would hope so, given the large percentage of americans that want protections for dreamers and want to make
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progress on daca. and if the president has another meeting as he did with chuck and nancy, then we can have this conversation about you give me some money for the wall, and we will make -- i'll make sure you have the votes to pass daca. that is a good starting point. now that republicans no longer have control of the house, we're going to have to start negotiating. we can't just talk about making deals for daca and the wall. we have to actually follow through. that is a good starting point. i'm glad to see this is back on the table. because at the end of the day, this president ran and won in large part due to his promise that we're going to build a wall and mexico will pay for it. i always knew mexico was not going to pay for it. but this is a good way for him to move forward on a very serious campaign. >> nina turner, democrats in these mid terms, many ran on the idea, listen, i'm going to work with the other side of the aisle so we can get stuff done on issues like health care, daca, as well. that said, there is a part of the democratic base, right, who probably never wants to make a
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deal with this president. what force wins out in these next two years? or do we just enter 2020 campaign mode and scorched earth on both sides? >> it's going to be special interests, ultimately, jim. it pains me to say that that's going to win out. the president had to deal with the democrats before over the wall. we know not all democrats agree with that wall, but he did cut a deal, as alice pointed out earlier, but that deal went no, where because the president changed his mind. wheeling and dealing with the lives of the dreamers, i don't think that should be the way we move forward. that being said, the democrats, again, are going to have to decide whether they're going to implement policy, really standing up for the american people. whether they're going to investigate this entire time the whole next two years, or whether they're going to push, as some want, an impeachment of the president. the democrats are going to have to decide, are they going to be on the side of the american
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people or continue to play partisan politics? i want to use another finer point to that. the president didn't have any problem with when the republicans were in -- when they controlled both chambers. it was okay. but now that the democrats control the house, now all of a sudden it's we have to find a way to work together. well, you know what, i hope both sides do really truly find a to. but, jim, i think special interests are going to win out, ultimately. >> washington, d.c., the land of nto cnn. and that is that the white house is asking the supreme court to immediately take up the administration's controversial policy of banning most transgender individuals from the military since the president announced this policy back in 2016, courts across the country have blocked it from going into effect. this appears to be another aggressive attempt by this president to ramp up his fight with the courts by passing, in effect, the courts of appeal around this country. including the 9th circuit court of appeals on the west coast, as well as the d.c. circuit here,
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both courts that the president has taken shots at as partisan, road blocks to his agenda. et cetera. alice, if i could ask you, this is a policy that the pentagon doesn't want. >> right. >> that the pentagon has said does not have the costs, both financial and also to morale, et cetera, that the president claims it has. why is the president pursuing this? >> that's a good question. would i highly recommend not pursuing this route. this all started working with social evangelical chemicals. they had some concerns about military paying for sex change operations for members of the military. that is something they voiced early on when -- during the campaign. and that's something that the president really understood and really gave reassurance that i've got your back on that. this is just a little bit of a bridge too far. he's addressing a lot of concerns that social
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evangelicals have. i would ask them to focus on the exact issue that many of his base and those who helped him win, that's what they said. this is a little too far. and this could be a way of him saying, to the courts, i'm going to flex my muscles. >> he's not doing it to generals -- >> he's not? nina, tell me your point of view. >> it's wrong. it is ridiculous. and talking about christian conservatives, what would jesus do? he certainly would not be carrying on these foolishness of these so-called christian conservatives, rather than worrying about if somebody is a tra transgender or not. in terms of whether he's going to adhere to the christian conservative base and forget that transgender women and men who want to serve in uniform, serve this country, take a bullet like anybody else, so he wants to play around with that when we've got other concerns in this country.
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the president should be ashamed in himself and all christian conservatives should be ashamed, as well. >> we should note, there are transgender members of the military, men and women serving today in war zones risking their lives today. that is the view of the pentagon. that's a view of the generals who command them. >> say that, jim. that's it. >> listen, you hear it from inside the five-wall building, trust me, and often. another person in trump's orbit may be ready to cooperate with robert mueller. what he could know about the what russians knew, next. you can do it. we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo! the zip code you're born into can determine your future. your school. your job. your dreams.
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find out more and get out of line today. welcome back. sticking with our politics lead. closing in. jerome corsi, an adviser of roger stone, telling cnn he is now in plea talks with the special counsel, robert mueller. coursey days ago says he expects to be indicted for lying.
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stone has said also he said tobacco charged. so laura, the key for folks following at home is that he could offer a tore rob rating testimony to any communications between the trump campaign and wickly? >> that's exactly right, people. it could bring the team one step closer to figure out if he had innovative vonsed's during the stretch stretch of the fwoix campaign. corsi is not a household taken, but taken on increasing importance in the redent days claiming that prosecutors told him about ike we license oh head of time. he said he they would some theory-own who sessto the hacked e-mails banging to john would he
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testo, i shared with peen including trump con if i can't roger stone. he terms tell egging trump about e-mails, saying corsi has been under i am presence pressure, saying he's over head and ask to sigh things that didn't actually happen. if corsi does flip, it's signal he's provided whrs this are i i railroads are fightable jim. >> with kim aly and michael zel deny. kelly, tell us the signature conditions, your view of him being in plea talks with michael cohen and rick gates and others who had significant positions in the trump campaign. >> right.
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so i think corsi is talking about a plea that involves his lying to mueller. along the lines of papadopoulos. similarly, i don't think he got much from papadopoulos that was useful to him in his investigation. so it could be that corsi just came in, lied, and is going to get charged for the lie. if corsi is talking about something us is active, communications between wiki weeks and anybody else, does curt kweltconfuse anyone. >> folks at home are saying how is it this add up? it guess to this key question as too whether folks the donald trump campaign will foreknowledge of wiki income tax
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weeks. materials stolen by russia. does this give a flicker of a clue? >> there are there are two things that are significant. at the time obama public that there was some russian influence in the contain, then we had the famous action set who wi famous access hollywood. >> which was stolen by mueller. >> and so the question is, what's the relationship between the campaign, the russians, ricky lea wikileaks, that all when he is. we don't want foreign entities. the second thing shows that the mueller probe is going forward,
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notwithstanding an acting attorney general that was panned picture currently team up. the mueller probe is moving along, and mr. kwhitaker is behind the scenes. >> corsi is a lower fruit in this whole thing. if mueller were to take a step and died or talk about indicting a domp jindictment statement wi junior, tlunless there is a sead one. >> assuming an organization going i don't sealing, they. they're very different in this orbit of kmumgss communication.
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if a nonstate, hostile intelligence service, as opposed to a femd twekted museum outlet, then there are a lot of implications for these people in their communication with wick leaks. then they could be co conspirators. >> in thes midst of this last week, we preferred the president asked him to investigate his political en plea plea. james como. you're like, where does that really go? is that something that would be of interest to the special counsel, in hisser brock into possible obstruction of justice by the president? >> sure. the obstruction of justice is
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like perjury to demonstrate. with proof, climb into the president's mind and whether determine the additions he head, for example, had a purpose. in that instance, if appears his justice department, no problemic for him, and the separation of powers and ensuring we don't have friday problem that is too much power. >> not small things. >> no. >> with you thing to that. >> whiit laceration agains on e mueller's view, can be choorjar with will be strigs.
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>> at the. >> on one -- >> pretty important. we don't know. thank you very much. happy holidays to your family. he is young, pitch and any political operative. will he had been the next? stay
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lead. it could cost lives and hungs of millions of dollars. a dire warning about climate change. detailing the devastating impacts on human health, quality of life, even the u.s. economy. the federally mandated study released today, just as president trump this week confused climate and weather, tweeting, brutal and extended cold blast could shatter all records. whatever happened to global warming? cnn's rene marsh. this agency is run by appointees of this president and why the even they could not deny the hard and worrisome scientific data. >> if you weren't paying attention to this climate change issue, once you read this report, it could change that. it is frightening to read what scientists say in this report if action isn't taken. they say wildfire season, for example, which is already a long one, would burn six times more forest area by the year 2050.
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more people would be exposed to ticks that carry lyme disease and zika, west nile virus. higher temperatures would kill more people. the report specifically talks about the midwest, where it's predicted to have the largest increase in extreme temperature. they would see an additional 2,000 more premature deaths year by year by the year 2009. and then the economy. it would take a major hit. this report is predicting that 10% of the u.s. economy would simply disappear. we're talking about a decline in crops, our public infrastructure would be destroyed. as well as investments in real estate. so there's no good news in this report. >> and, you know, the president not even expecting the science -- still propagating this climate change denial point of view in many -- and the republican party doing the same. does the report say there's any plan in place to respond to these issues and these dangers? >> so this report, it doesn't
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lay out any recommendations, but it is meant to inform policymakers who are determining our regulations, who are going to put policies in place. what we have seen is that this report clearly is on the other end of the spectrum compared to where this president as well as this administration stands on this issue of climate change. we've seen the administration rolling back regulations that would curb these harmful gases. >> act now. rene marsh, thanks very much. the president is now interviewing people this weekend to bring into his administration multiple sources tell cnn that homeland security secretary, kirstjen nielsen, could be the next to go, as well as her biggest advocate, the white house chief of staff, john kelly. one contender to take over for kelly is nick ayers, the vice president's current chief of staff, described as young, rich, as it happens, and loyal. cnn's germany diamond joins us now. so jeremy, past colleagues say he has an oversized ego and
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ambition. and this has led to opposition within this administration from some very powerful figures. kellyanne conway included. >> yeah, that's certainly right, jim. i think it's important to first look at how nick ayers built this relationship with the president. and it all happened in the president's private dining room, just off of the oval office, with is where the president has been gathering since the beginning of his administration with vice president mike pence for weekly lunches. but when nick ayers and john kelly came in, they also began attending the lunch, giving nick ayers this key face time every week with the president. and it's during that time that our sources have told us that the president came to know and like nick ayers and come to the point now where he's considering him to replace his chief of staff. as you point out, nick ayers has earned his fair share of enemies as a 36-year-old political operative to now being considered chief of staff. and indeed kellyanne conway is one of those antagonists.
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she has urged the president against appointing nick ayers as chief of staff, according to our sources. kellyanne conway denied this, telling us she has zero beef with nick ayers and thek on thi. but many of the president's allies, including his daughter, ivanka trump, son-in-law, jared kushner, have been loyal allies of nick ayers and encouraging him to name nick ayers as the president's chief of staff. the political acumen, the strategery he has, they say could make him a key chief of staff heading into the 2020 re-election. jim? >> jeremy diamond, thanks very much. let's go back to our panel. and andre braugher, you heard, the president seems to have taken a liking to him. who wins out here? does the president go with i nick ayers? >> the president -- i don't know if, in fact, we have the right information that the president wants nick ayers for sure.
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whoever the president wants is who the president is going to pick. i think we have seen his style of governing time and time again. the big question is, whose loyalty does nick ayers have? there are so many that supported the president early on in a 16-way primary that truly wanted to see the swamp cleaned out. and there are so many in his administration that actually have come in there. and that's why he's had the leaks and letters sent out opposing him and saying negative things about him. and so i hope that he picks someone that is loyal to him and his cause, and not obstructionists and people that really just care about keeping a job in washington and continue to just keep the wheels turning. and he does have some of those folks within his administration that are very close. they were never trumpers and philosophically, if they change, that's great. but there are a lot of them that never changed and so i want to see him get folks that have the same agenda he does. >> alice, this would be -- you look at john kelly. he was a four-star marine general, served in iraq. commanded southern command. he was a dhs secretary.
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it would be quite an exchange at that chief of staff level, would it not? >> it sure would. and i think it's important to keep in mind, this has come up before. every two months, this story about nick ayers comes, and it's important to keep it all into perspective. look, he is very talented. he's very successful. he's experienced, despite his young age, and he happens to be born in the state of georgia. but keep in mind, he is very talented politically. and given the life span of chief of staff, about a year, if we game this out, he is most helpful around re-election time. so if it was, you know -- if you're looking at this from a political standpoint, i would say six, eight months, would be a good time for him to jump in. but from my understanding, talking to folks, john kelly is there, as long as he wants to be there. and the president, as andre said, it's up to the president to decide. but anyone who is out there pushing nick's name to try and help him, as we all know, you never want to fly too close to the sun when it comes to this president. if you are overshadowing him,
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nick would be a tremendous asset in that role. i don't think right now is the best time. >> so nina, the president, we're told, is jealous of how smoothly the vice president's office is running. and that's one reason he's looking to nick ayers for his leadership. would you say that that's the secret there? is the chief of staff role the source of the trouble in this administration? >> i'm smiling, jim, because the president is the common denominator here. it doesn't matter how smooth nick ayers may be. president trump is the common denominator. listen, general kelly brought a level of professionalism there as much as one can do when dealing with president trump, as unpredictable as he is. and the president's own words, he has said that general kelly works hard, that he's excellent. and so you don't reward excellence and hard work by, you know, floating out there that he may or may not be there. now, again, ultimately, it is up to the president. so i do agree with my esteemed
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colleagues here that it is ultimately up to the president who is his chief of staff. but general kelly has done a tremendous job under the circumstances. >> so jackie, the word, of course, is that general kelly does the firing for this president because he doesn't like firing. so who fires general kelly then? >> it's a really good question. i don't know if he's going to have to deliver that message to him. but, yeah, the next person who stops -- who steps into this role ends up being the president's executioner. and the chief of staff role, it's not just being the president's confidante, by any stretch of the imagination. he has to run the west wing. so it's an extremely big job. i'm not saying that nick ayers isn't up to it. but you're not going to get any more popular. and you should say about mike pence -- one of the reasons mike pence's office runs smoothly, mike pence is one of the most predictable politicians you will ever meet. he's impossible to knock off message. i covered him when he was in the house. he's someone -- his staff is extremely loyal to him. a lot of people who have been around him have been around him for a very long time. so it might have more to do with, you know, the person in
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the -- r >> he doesn't tweet surprises. jackie, alice, andre, nina, we're going to send you back to your families for the rest of the thanksgiving weekend. thanks very much. >> thank you. he was kidnapped in syria six years ago. and there's been no evidence since then if he's okay. why is the white house now publicly saying there may be some good news here. that freelance journalist austin tice is still alive. it would be a great relief. we're going to cover that next.
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welcome back. some potentially good news these holidays. likely still alive. that is now the position of the
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trump administration regarding the disappearance and kidnapping of the american austin tice. a marine turned reporter who vanished in syria more than six years ago now. cnn's barbara starr reports on the latest from the pentagon. >> reporter: six years after austin tice, a freelance journalist and former marine, was kidnapped in syria, the trump administration publicly says tice is alive. >> i want to make it very clear that the united states government believes that austin tice is alive. we're deeply concerned about his well-being after six years of captivity. >> reporter: it's an extraordinary, high-profile move by the white house to openly talk about a hostage who hasn't been seen since this video with his captors emerged five weeks after his disappearance in 2012. >> oh, jesus. oh, jesus. >> reporter: tice had gone to syria to photograph and report what was happening to ordinary syrians as the conflict heated up.
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journalists were in increasing danger. >> you're just talking street fighting, you know, molotov cocktails, any weapon you can basically imagine in an urban street fighting environment. it was pretty exciting. but i was able to get some pretty good shots that way. and tell a pretty good story afterwards that i think otherwise, you know, never would have gotten told. >> reporter: he was coming home for a final year of law school. in august 2012, he was south of damascus, planning to drive to lebanon when he vanished before reaching the border. >> we believe he's being held captive in syria. i don't want to get into anything further on that front, either. i'm sorry. >> reporter: but it's raising a crucial question. is there real progress in bringing him home? >> an american official doesn't come out and say that a hostage is alive unless they have really good intelligence. they know he's alive, otherwise they wouldn't go public. >> reporter: cnn has previously reported tice is believed to be in the custody of the syrian regime, even though it has
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denied it. his parents, deborah and mark, say after several trips, they will try to travel yet again to syria. >> each time we go, we apply for a visa to enter syria to get as close to austin as we possibly can. and to try to reach out to those holding him captive. we continue our relentless effort to find the key that will open the door for austin's freedom. >> reporter: now, administration officials say they have briefed the tices several times in recent months about progress on the case, and jim, as you know, syria became a killing ground for so many journalists. it became so dangerous. especially for freelance journalists like austin tice, who were working on their own to try and bring the story out to the world. but the administration does believe that this young man is still alive after all these years. >> laura, let's hope for him and his family that's true.
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barbara starr, thanks very much. turning now to our money lead. from long lines to online black friday looking more and more different than it did just earlier this decade. with more shoppers tapping their phones instead of tackling people for deals. but as cnn's alison kosik reports, discounts could become less less enticing. >> reporter: black friday, a holiday unto itself. shopping scenes like this seem as baked into thanksgiving tradition as turkey. cherish this footage. it may soon be replaced with more screen scenes. more than 50% of black friday shopping traffic this year is expected to be from smartphones, where a typical retail holiday hours don't exist. in fact, $3.7 billion worth of online purchases already happened on thanksgiving day. more than double that, $7.7 billion, is expected to be
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spent on cybermonday. but fear not. door buster deals got their name for a reason, and in-store promotions are drawing shoppers, too. >> you see the bricks and mortar retailers are doing buy online, pick up in store or buy in store and deliver in home. they're using digital strategies to serve customers. >> reporter: what should you stock up on? if you want to save money now, analysts say anything made in china. >> so we're in a little dispute with china. we put $250 billion worth of tariffs on china. 25%. >> reporter: since china's retaliatory tariffs went into effect in september, some 5,700 items from the nation have been subject to a 10% price increase, including handbags, perfumes, wallets and coats. experts expect american consumers won't feel the consequences until next year. but tariffs may increase in the
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meantime. president trump is set to discuss trade with china's president next week at the g20 summit. >> if we see more tariffs in january, that's where the rubber hits the road. you are going to start to see prices going up. >> reporter: bottom line, pick up your phone or make your way to the mall. now may be the best black friday for a while. >> the economy is very strong. customers have a great deal of confidence about the season. the weather patterns are good. i don't know what's the positive of a perfect storm? this is it. >> reporter: while it's been busy at this store, jim, we're going to get a better picture of how black friday sales played out nationally when credit card companies begin releasing their numbers in the coming hours. jim? >> our thanks there to alison kosik. they say that a picture is worth a thousand words. especially if you're trolling the president. former white house photographer who has become the master now of throwing shade.
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every misstep president trump takes, there is someone there to troll him. he is president obama's former chief photographer, whose instagram is now full of pics showing glaring contrasts in how the two presidents handled certain situations. like visiting troops over the holidays, for instance. lots more documented in his new book called "shade."
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our jake tapper spoke to souza all about it. >> and pete souza joins me now. thanks so much for being here. so you tackled some pretty serious subjects in here. it's fun, but there is seriousness. this photo of president obama meeting with young refugees in malaysian, around the time of trump's ban. and this is a response to a trump tweet claiming president obama did nothing after being told about russian election interference. this photo you shared of president obama seeming to be confronting putin in 2016. and after president trump bragged that the mission was accomplished after a strike in syria, you posted this photo. perhaps your most iconic photo of the president and his team in the situation room during the raid that ultimately led to osama bin laden's death. and you wrote, quote, back when a mission was actually accomplished. what -- because it's not just fun with shade. i mean, there is some serious things you're saying about the last president and the current one. what do you want people to take away from the book? >> i don't want -- i don't want
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people to forget the first 500 days of the trump administration, which is what this represents. and all the craziness that happened. i'm also trying to correct some of his lies and falsehoods with photographic proof, whether it be the inauguration day crowd, whether it be him saying that obama did nothing about russia meddling and here's the meeting where obama confronted putin. >> yeah. you also touch on president trump's use of twitter. perhaps you would say misuse of twitter. after president trump threatened russia on twitter for the support of assad. you wrote, president obama in 2013, as he waited for a phone call with one of our allies to discuss the situation in syria. he certainly never sent out an impulsive tweet about a serious national security crisis. when you were photographing serious moments like this, did you ever think you would be using them as an example of
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here's how a president should actually behave? >> not at all. i never would have expected i would be doing this. if john mccain or mitt romney had been president, i wouldn't be doing this. because they respected the office of the presidency. and that's what we don't see from this president. >> it's interesting. you say that, because i always thought of you -- because i would see you a lot back when you were not the white house photographer. when you were just a regular photographer, news media. and then when you were at the white house photographer, i always thought of you as fairly apolitical, frankly. and i know that you were also the former photographer for president reagan. and you have really, until the trump administration, never criticized anyone or said anything political in any way. so what is it about this moment and this president that has changed you? >> i mean, i think what's changed me is what i said. i think he disrespects the office of the presidency. and he disrespects other people. he bullies people, he lies.
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he doesn't -- he calls you guys the enemy of the people. he doesn't believe our own intelligence agencies. he trashes his own attorney general. and what he calls his justice department. so it's just -- there's just too many things that is not normal for a president to be doing. >> you also included some light-hearted posts. as i said, this is a book mixed with seriousness and some fun. it is called "shade." this halloween themed one. this is president obama greeting halloween trick or treats, this is hours after president trump tweeted witch hunt in response to robert mueller's investigation. you wrote, a different kind of witch hunt. so you're having some fun. >> i'm having some fun. especially on instagram, i'm trying to inject some humor and trying to be somewhat respectful, too, in the way that i criticize. certainly, i think i am being
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more respectful than he is on twitter. >> great to see you. the book is "shade: a tale of two presidents." thanks for watching. i'm jim sciutto. our coverage on cnn continues right now. happening now, breaking news. flea market. roger stone associate now in negotiations with special counsel robert mueller's team. all this after previously saying he didn't do anything wrong. what did corsi know about wikileaks plan to publish campaign e-mails hacked by the russians and will he now turn on stone? contradicting trump. a new report that was just released by the government and their scientists contradicts the president's often repeated claim that climate change is a hoax. the report says global warming is transforming where and how we live and presents serious challenges to the health andfess