tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN December 20, 2018 11:00am-12:01pm PST
this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm pamela brown in today for brooke baldwin on this very busy thursday, a lot of breaking news to cover. there is a battle right now over border wall funding threatening to derail a plan to avert a government shutdown. just minutes after he wrapped up a meeting with president trump, speaker of the house ryan made it clear the bill doesn't go far enough, at least not for the president. >> the president informed us he will not sign the bill that came over from the senate last evening because of his
legitimate concerns for bored e -- border security. we want to keep the government open but we also want an agreement to protect the border. >> tor >> this morning the president said "when i begrudgingly signed the ominous bill, i was promised the wall and bored are security by leadership would be done by the end of the year. it didn't happen." house conservatives are urging trump to get something done now before democrats take over the house next month. >> you've got to be kidding me. really? february 8th when nancy pelosi is speaker, do we really -- i'm supposed to believe -- we're supposed to believe that we're then going to build a border security wall and keep or promise from the 2016 campaign?
no way! >> i want to get right to the white house with my colleague, kaitlan collins. a lot of kay organization chaos name of the game. >> it certainly is. it looks like washington might be getting a government shutdown for christmas after that last-minute lunch here at the white house, they came out and said president trump informed him he will not be signing that shor short-term spending bill that they felt pretty confident he was going to sign. it seems that the criticism from conservatives who have been revolting in recent days has gotten under president trump's skin so much that he even followed one of them on twitter last night when she said she would not vote for the president in 2020 if there was no wall built and this was essentially seen as a last chance to get the funding before the democrats take over in january. where we go from here is an open
question right now. when they came out, paul ryan and kevin mccarthy said they were going back to figure it out. when sarah sanders put out a statement of the lunch, they said they wanted border security that includes a wall. it seems there could be still a disagreement over that. it's unclear where we are heading from here but a lot of members of congress have already left town for the holidays and president trump is scheduled to leave in roughly 24 hours or so for a three-week long vacation in mar-a-lago and palm beach. whether he's going to go if there is a government shutdown, we haven't heard about that but pretty much everyone in washington is waiting to see what happens. >> let's take a step back. how did we get here? it all started unraveling this
morning when paul ryan scrapped his final conference as speaker when he received a call from the white house. gentlemen, great to see you. a lot to discuss. david, the shutdown moment seems to have dramatically shifted in the past 24 hours. what's plan b? >> it shifted back to where we were a week ago, pam, if you want to go that far back when president trump was sitting in the oval office with the democratic leaders and he announced to the world he would proudly shut down the government over border wall funding. then is seemed as if he was going to cave on that. he got a ton of blowback from fox news and all the folks inside his echo chamber, his base of support counting on him to deliver on this key, core campaign promise. he's adjusting to that blowback
and trying to move back into a position where he's willing to potentially shut down the government over this. >> let's listen to that sound you alluded to with the president saying he's okay with shutting down the government over wall funding. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. i will take the mantle, i will be the one to shut it down. >> doug, did the president back himself into a corner here? is there an escape route for him at this point? >> right now it doesn't appear there is. his conservative base thought donald trump wasn't going to fight on this issue at the end of the year. i was at paul ryan's remarks yesterday, i had a republican member say to me they were worried that they were seeing what he called the fox process of the president's supporters going on fox news because that's the drirect pipeline to the
president. by going on those shows, communicating directly to the president, that's how they hope to flip them. in the short term that seems to work. what i worry about is the word fight. from my previous experiences in 2013 or the bush tax cut expirations, when you hear conservative republicans talk about fighting more, it tells me they don't have the strike to win a punch and that's don't have a plan c or d and that's a problem moving forward. >> this is what the president's base wants. they want border wall funding. but what about just the majority of american people? what is the feel about this, this idea of shutting down the government over the holidays over border wall funding. >> this is what's so intriguing about this. we talk so often about how the
president far more often than not is messaging to his base, governing for his base, maintaining that floor of support and that he never goes below it because he has this fortified base doing very little, actually, to expand, pam. what would be really interesting here is if indeed he ended up moving forward and funding the government without wall funding, that's a position that a majority of americans support. our last poll showed 57% of americans are opposed to the border wall. but that's not donald trump's approach here. that's why last week when you played that sound in the oval office, that again was making sure the folks with him were fired up. he was messaging to them. this is more on brand with him to cause chaos with 24 hours to go to the shut down deadline and now throwing into the works this motion where he's just creating -- as doug was saying,
there's no plan b here. he's causing his own party to scramble on capitol hill. >> you heard paul ryan there say that, look, we have to basically go back to the drawing board, figure out ways to get more funding. so what does this mean? do you think that these antics are intentional, doug? >> oh, absolutely. donald trump has been sent a message from his base and he's sending a message directly back to his base. the challenge for the president is it's not just about his base. this vote yesterday passed on a voice vote. if you're john cornyn and you're going to have a normal christmas, it's incredibly frustrating. if you're paul ryan and you've been summoned to the white house and now put out there to speak, there is no normalcy for governing here. if trump ultimately wins, he'll learn from that and do that more
and more. there's no clear there's any victory for the president on this, just a path for satisfying your base and not winning a round or a fight but just throwing punches and fighting has hard as you can. >> it is a perfect end note to the two years of the republican-controlled congress working with a trump republican white house. >> i just want to do big picture, david chalian. is this the biggest break by republicans you've seen when it comes to the president? you have the border wall funding and then of course this decision on syria to withdraw troops. is this the biggest break we've seen from the president's own party? >> it's hard to define what a break is. we saw over saudi arabia a few weeks ago in the khashoggi incident, a break also with some of those sort of hawkish wing of the republican party senators expressing concern to the president. we've also seen sometimes the house freedom caucus do this as
well as doug has described, get the president back to a base position when it looked like it was drifting away. where we see no break from the party and president is among voters, supporters. that to me suggests we aren't really seeing a significant break. we may see a little break with some legislators on capitol hill but this president has remade the republican party in his image. >> that's a key point. david, doug, thank you very much. up next, the president under fire from leaders inside his own party over his decision to pull all u.s. troops out of syria. how did he arrive at this decision and why is russian president vladimir putin one of the few world leaders praising this move? >> and facebook under fire. some are asking did mark
zuckerberg lie to congress when he testified? and the selloff continuing on wall street. take a look here, the market tumbling more than 500 points. we're going to take you live to the trading floor. we'll be right back. having moderate to severe plaque psoriasis is not always easy. it's a long-distance journey, and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear
and many saw 75% and even 90% clearance in just 4 months. and the kind of clearance that can last. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal, infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms, or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. join over 250,000 patients who have chosen humira. ask about the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. humira... and go.
ok i'll admit. i didn't keep my place as clean as i would like 'cuz i'm way too busy. who's got the time to chase around down dirt, dust and hair? so now, i use heavy duty swiffer sweeper and dusters. for hard-to-reach places, duster makes it easy to clean. it captures dust in one swipe. ha! gotcha! and (new) sweeper heavy duty cloths
president trump today taking to twitter to defend his sudden announcement to pull u.s. troops from syria tweeting "getting out of syria was no surprise. i've been campaigning on it for years." trump's announcement, though, did surprise and stun u.s. allies and the outrage is only growing today, much of it coming from the president's own party. case in point, lindsey graham from the senate floor.
>> to say they're defeated is an overstatement and is fake news. we have been dishonorable. this is a stain on the honor of the united states. i hope and pray the president will reconsider this. >> adding fuel to the gop outrage, outright praise from russia's putin. >> translator: as far as isis is concerned, i agree more or less with the president of the u.s. we have spoken about this before, have really achieved substantial changes with regard to the militants in syria and have beaten the forces in syria. >> cnn senior international correspondent fred pleitgen is live in moscow for us. the u.s. president finding
praise from a u.s. adversary. strange times. >> it certainly is strange times, you're absolutely right, pamela. on the one hand putin was saying he agrees with president trump, saying they're on the ropes. but then he went on to say he agrees with president trump's decision to pull u.s. forces out of syria. it was interesting. in one of his tweets, president trump said that he believes russia would be sad or unhappy if the u.s. pulls out. certainly i was in a press conference with vladimir putin for four hours today and that unhappiness was not something that we saw there. he said he thinks the u.s. should pull out. the russians have been saying they believe the u.s. should get out of syria as fast as possible. also, pamela, one of the things that inef blvitably happen, rus
is the most power, especially in the area where the u.s. have been, that's the area that the russians have been interested in. certainly the russians will have a lot more freedom to do that in the future. within of the countries or the country a will have almost no influence over the future of syria and large parts of that region now will be the united states, pamela. >> fred pleitgen, thank you for breaking it down for us. i want to discuss this with cnn military analyst major general spider marks and tara setmeyer.
it's in rush's interest for the u.s. not to be in syria because it gives russia more control over the area. >> absolutely, pamela. the issue here is to report that putin might in fact be sad because the announcement is quite ironic. he's doing cheetah flips now that the united states is going to disappear from that region. this is all about our relationship with russia and our relationship with iran and essentially moscow's relationship with tehran, less to do withi isis. the challenge in my mind is what the president has indicated he wants to do is a tactic. what we don't know is what the strategy is. to exert influence in that part of the world, we have exclusively over many years used the military element of power. right now that is going to leave, that's a tactic, as i
indicated. so what is the strategy? that's where we're all a little bit befuddled here and it's totally predictablpredictable. >> and congress wasn't consulted. you have france saying we're going to stay the course because we don't believe that isis has been decimated and members of his own party have come out to scold the president on this move. why don't you think there was more consultation, coordination on this? why do you think the president did this unilaterally? >> i think it's impulsive. he's had a bee in his bonnet for a period, even campaigned on it. but after consulting with the military personnel in that
reason, he seemed to back away from it. and even israel, who was very concerned about this, they said they were hold ahead time but only a couple of days ago. this is something you would think would have been discussed months in advance making a major military decision like this given the unstiblt in that region. it untrue that isis is decimated. i think he's using that in a wag the dog situation because the president is embattled with many areas with the mueller investigation and his businesses and i would hope he's not using something as that part of the world as a way to distract. now israel is -- they're saying, listen, we're still going to conduct our operations there because you have hezbollah that's digging tunnels that they just discovered from lebanon and hezbollah is active also in syria and they're backed by iran. this can't make our ally israel happy either about what's going on there because it presents a
strategic problem for them when the u.s. isn't present. this doesn't make sense for anyone, except for maybe rand paul, who is an ice lags im. >> there's a difference doing what you say you want to do versus actually doing it. i want to ask you about general mattis, secretary of defense. our reporting from my colleague is that he was opposed to doing this along with other advisers to the president. so what kind of a signal is this to general mattis? how do you execute a mission with such significance that you're so opposed to? >> two things. the relationship between the president and secretary mattis is very personal. i would not presume that i know how that dynamic takes place. i've worked for folks who give you guidance you don't
necessarily agree with but the order's a legal one and you're going to execute and prosecute a legal order. jim mattis has zero difficulty following orders and ensuring it's done well. there will be debate that takes place now in terms of how this withdrawal of u.s. forces takes place m place. my view is that it has to be deliberate and well planned out. there will be a timeline but it needs to be done in an orderly fashion. there's really no difficulty in terms of executing the task. at the strategic or policy level, there may be differences. at the end of the day, it's a legal order that the military folks with execute very, very professionally. >> thank you both very much. up next, it looks like robert mueller will get what he wants, the transcript of roger stone's testimony to the house intelligence committee. what does that say about the
next step in the investigation? >> and yet another surprise in the government shutdown saga. after saying he won't, president trump now says he will. we'll bring in chris siccizzillo sort this all out. minimums and fees. they seem to be the very foundation of your typical bank. capital one is anything but typical. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes. this isn't a typical bank. this is banking reimagined. what's in your wallet?
rise from ruin. in southern california, a small family business becomes a beacon of hope. in seattle, people with disabilities create success and shatter barriers. day in, day out, people prove that when we work as one, we have the power to create better futures for us all. we have the power ♪ just look at those two. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico... well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? oh, helzberg diamonds. another beautiful setting. i'm not crying. i've just got a bit of sand in my eyes, that's all. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. when your blanket's freshness fades before the binge-watching begins...
the president undermined a deal to keep the government open and avoid a shutdown and that's what made the market turn red today. make no mistake about it, the falling started after the federal reserve announced that weight hike. that was a surprise to many market participants, even though it had been forecast and talked about. this is essentially a fight between wall street and the federal reserve. president trump has wall street as back on this because wall street has been addicted to easy and cheap money for a long time and the federal reserve is trying to wean the economy off of that. it is not playing out well. virtually ever sector from retail to tech is getting hammered today. what is most disturbing to most investors that i spoke to today is that the fact that on these
dips, these big declines, there isn't too much momentum to buy, bargain hunting. sometimes when we see the bargains go down, we see bargain hunters come in to get cheap stocks. but that's not happening. a lot of pessimism. there was soft economic data out of china causing some concern. also this idea that the tax cuts have really bolstered economic growth that, those may not be a long-lived booster to the market, that the effects of that may petr off. >> investors don't like uncertainty and there is a lot of uncertainty today. thank you very much for bringing us the latest there from the new york stock exchange. meantime, we have new developments in the russia investigation and possibly new trouble for trump ally roger
stone. the house intelligence committee voted to send the transcript of stone's testimony to the special counsel. robert mueller's team formerly requested the transcript of stone's interview with the committee but stone is going a step further and demanding it be released to the public. joining me is cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers. how significant is it that mueller's team requested that transcript and it now will be handed over? >> if i was reading the tea leaves, i would say they're close to wrapping up with roger stone and that probably means indicting them. mueller is interested for only two reasons, either they're going to be witnesses or targets. in roger stone's case they've had a lot of months where they've been trying to speak to other people around him but did not speak to him, which signals
he's a target. he has testified in congress. they really wanted to get his testimony to see if it's inconsistent with the evidence they have, consistent, whether it raises a charge of perjury for lying to congress. that's what they're doing here is readying to invite roger stone. >> again, we don't really know exactly because robert mueller's team, they operate in silence, it's sort of a black hole. meantime we have reporting that cnn is reporting today acting attorney general matt whitaker decided not to recuse himself from the russia probe over his past comments he has made relating to the probe. he reached the decision on his own even though ethics officials reviewing this matter considered it a, quote, close call. what is your take on whitaker's decision? >> well, i think it's the wrong decision. sometimes the ethics folks say you have to recuse, sometimes they say you should, sometimes they say there's no need for you
to. when they say that you should recuse, i believe he should recuse. he came out making very, very strong statements and gets picked to be the acting a.g. it is unseemly at best. if the career people at d.o.j. who have no political horse in this at all are saying he should recuse, even if he's not required to by law, then to me that's what he should do. >> i want to go to this memo handed over by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, he was asked about that today and here's what he said on the matter. >> the memo you made reference to reflects mr. barr's personal opinion, he shared his personal opinion with the department. lots of people offer even opinions to the department of justice but don't influence our decision making. i didn't share confidential information with mr. bar ar and
that memo had no impact of our investigation. >> that memo was critical of robert mueller's obstruction of justice probe. what do you make of this? >> it's a very interesting memo. it read almost like a legal scholar, mulling over these issues, what does corrupt mean, what is the president's power? i think its conclusion are wrong and many, many legal scholars agree with that. first of all, this is now likely to be the new attorney general so what is he to do with the mueller investigation if he's mott recused from overseeing it, which he probably won't be given the decisions in the whitaker matter. why did he take the time to write up this very lengthy memo
and send it over to d.o.j. when maybe at some level everyone knew that jeff sessions was on the outs, did he think he was a possible successor. why did he write this big memo instead of trying to back channel his opinion to someone. so that's kind of intriguing. i don't know what to make of that. the memo itself is a very strong opinion. as rod rosenstein said, just that hasn't influenced them yet. that doesn't mean his opinions won't influence them if he becomes the a.g. >> it's probably an opinion the president agrees with. jennifer rodgers, thank you very much. >> still ahead, facebook under fire. some are asking did ceo mark zuckerberg lie to congress when he testified about user privacy? we'll discuss that next. meet the roots. a family with a serious root problem.
they see a bit of gray and think... [screams] luckily, there's magic root cover up from looréal. three seconds to flawless roots 3 2 1 ...done! magic root cover up from l'oreal paris. follow l'oreals roots famil_ru. your insurance rates skyrocket you could fix it with a pen. how about using that pen to sign up for new insurance instead? for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ...and i found out that i'ma from the big toe lian. of that sexy italian boot! so this holiday season it's ancestrydna per tutti! order your kit now at ancestry.com
an 11th hour revolt over the lack of the president's signature campaign process, t p wall. here's outgoing speaker of the house pal ry paul ryan. >> the president informed us he will not sign the bill because of his legitimate concerns for border security. we're going to go back to the house and work with our members. we want to keep the government open but we also want to see an agreement that protects the border. joining me, chris cizzilla. there's been sort of whiplash from the white house on this issue. >> two words -- donald trump. this is who the guy is. remember the last time in the spring that we had an issue similar to this, a spending bill
that didn't have border wall funding in it, the government would shut down if donald trump signed it. the day when everybody seemed to be going, it was all set up to pass, he tweeted out i may veto this. now, he eventually didn't but what he said that, he said i will never do this again, this is a ridiculous situation, i ran on getting funding for a border wall, i will get it. this time is really his last chance. pam, think about it. when democrats take over the house and that happens in january, that's going to be it. congress is not going to appropriate $5 billion for a border wall with democrats in control of one of the chambers. so this 30 hours is the last time that republicans are going to control the house and the senate and the white house. and trump feels it's that important that he's willing to, i think what the most likely outcome is shut the government down over it. >> it appears to be a hail mary
is what's playing out here and it has to do also with 2020. look, this has to do with the president's base. the president's base wants the wall built and the president has already sort of cornered himself because he's said he willing to shut the government down. here's what he said last march on this issue. >> there are a lot of things that i'm unhappy about in this bill. there a lot of things that we shouldn't have had in this bill, but we were in a sense forced if we want to build our military, we were forced to have. there are some things that we should have in the bill. but i say to congress i will never sign another bill like this again. >> never again. is that coming back to haunt him? is there an escape route for the president here, to come out of this looking good?
shutting down the government and taking ownership of that over the holidays certainly can't look good for him either. >> all politicians play base politics. no one focuses more on their base in the presidency than donald trump has. his base is very much okay with a government shutdown if it means they get what they want, which is the wall built. >> let me just ask you this on that note. let's just game this out. so the government shuts down. do you really think that lawmakers are going to be able to come together, even then, to give the president he wants for the wall? >> absolutely 100% no. i don't think democrats are going to bend on that. i think they think very the right on it from a policy perspective. is it possible he ekes a little bit more money?
sure. y i think it's this confrontation the base wants. i don't think that they're really gaming out how this ends. i think they don't like the idea of capitulation and will figure the rest out after that. sort of politics of this be damned. i'm not sure that that works because to your point, i don't think there's a giant concession by democrats on the horizon if the government is closed for a week or a month. but i don't know that donald trump thinks like that. i do think he gets up every morning, sees what's in front of him, makes decisions, gets up the next day, max kes decisions which is why you see him change his mind so much even within a day. >> and our reporting is that the push, the pressure from conservatives from the freedom caucus, from people like ann coulter has really gotten under his skin. so we're seeing this change in
tone from him and it's unfolding hour by hour. chris cizzilla, thanks for bringing your analysis. we do appreciate it. >> and a scathing attack against the homeland security secretary over immigration. why why. we'll be back. ♪ t-mobile believes, it's better to give than to receive. some may disagree. others won't believe it. and some just won't have the words. join t-mobile and get the samsung galaxy s9 free. right? but hurry offer ends soon.
to user info not previously disclosed. does that mean that mark zuckerberg lied to congress last spring when he testified that facebook protects user info? here's what he said back in april. >> one core tenet of our advertising system is advertisers don't get access to your data. yes, the business model is running ads and we use the data that people put into the system in order to make the ads more relevant, which also makes them more valuable. but what we hear from people is that if they're going to see ads, they want them to be good and relevant. >> i'm going to bring in brian stelter, cnn chief media correspondent and host of cnn's "reliable sources." what we just heard from mark zuckerberg from april doesn't quite square with the reporting of "the new york times." >> it does not square. some critics are going so far as
to say he lies to congress. all of this hinges on the exact words zuckerberg used. he was being very creative in his word choice. he was saying facebook doesn't sell your data but the "new york times" said it does partner with companies and share access to the companies. it doesn't sell it but it is opening the door up and benefiting financially from that relationship. so he may be able to slide. we are seeing more and more congressmen and women calling out facebook saying that zuckerberg is, quote, racking up the pinocchios. there's a new found sense in washington that facebook has not been transparent enough. as we hear more and more abuses of privacy, there's more and more interest in enacting some sort of regulation. >> it does seem at the very least disingenuous. it appeared that he tried to or
wanted to convey that facebook protects user data. >> that is the thing about this. facebook has continued to say over and over again it values customers' privacy, it knows how important trust is and yet that trust has been violated over and over again. what we're seeing this year is death by a thousand leaks, death by a thousand revelations. because it is free, you and i are the product that's being sold by facebook to advertisers. so that's why we're seeing the attorney general in washington, the local attorney general sue facebook. that's why we're seeing democratic lawmakers call for new hearings and possible regulation. i think we're going to see a very busy time for facebook in 2019 as they try to adjust to the new-found concern in washington. >> brian stelter, thank you for bringing us the latest. just moments ago president
ordinary eggs? not in this house. 'cause that's no ordinary family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up new kraft expertly paired cheddar and swiss for eggs. beat that! kraft. family greatly. with a $500,000 life insurance policy. how much do you think it cost him? $100 a month? $75? $50? actually, duncan got his $500,000 for under $28 a month. less than a dollar a day. his secret? selectquote. in just minutes, a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highly-rated life insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates. duncan's wife cassie got a $750,000 policy for under $22 a month.
officials atg dggat did twick. i understa-- >> reporter: it's coming up to 24 hours of these drone sightings. a very, very long time. it's caused absolute chaos at gatwick. 120,000 passengers impacted. of course it's a very busy time of year, people trying to get home and see their family, people trying to get on holiday. easy jet, one of the major airlines here have now cancelled flights for the rest of the evening. other airlines are saying they hope to get flights off the ground but no luck so far. it's another night of uncertainty, perhaps another night on the airport floor. >> those passengers do not look happy understandably, especially with this timing right before
christmas. anna stewart, thank you very much. hour two now. i am pamela brown in for brooke baldwin. chaos on capitol hill where the threat of a government shutdown a growing after president trump told house republicans this -- the president informed us he will not sign the bill that came over from the senate last evening because of his legitimate concerns for border security. >> so now lawmakers are back at square one after securing what republicans in both chambers thought was a done deal just 24 hours ago, house leaders say they will add the president's original $5 billion request for wall funding into a revised bill but there's one big unknown, will a new bill even pass congress? right now we're waiting to see the president at a bill signing where he could take some questions about all of this. senate majority leader mitch