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>> indeed. next hour starts right now. breaking news, the federal government now officially partially shut down. >> there are human beings who are going to be asked to work without pay or going to be told to stay at home. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i'm not going to blame you for it. >> if i were chuck schumer, i would turn my phone off and sit by the pool somewhere and wait until january 3rd. >> let's get out, let's work together, let's be baurnipartis and get it done. >> we had a deal made, but he was listening to the ann coulters, the bill o'reillys of the world. >> this is the consequences of the president who has walked away from deals that republicans and democrats together had agreed upon.
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good saturday to you. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm leyla santiago in for christi paul this morning. you know, for the third time this year the government has shut down partially. that is the big story after lawmakers tried and failed to get the votes to pass a spending bill with border wall funding. midnight came and, well it went. >> okay. here's the question -- how long the the shutdown last? thousands of federal workers may now have to wait, many of them continuing to report to work, with no idea when they'll see their next paycheck. the week after he told democratic leaders he would be proud to take up the mantle for a border wall shutdown, president trump says it's the democrats' fault. >> the shutdown caps a rough week for the white house. let's look back on it after a dramatic court appearance from a former national security ad zipper, resignation letter -- adviser, resignation letter from the defense secretary, and worst week wall street in a decade. >> we're covering the angles with abby phillip and suzanne
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malveaux. suzanne, weak us -- walk us through the last hours of negotiation that's didn't result in a deal. what reaction are you hearing now? >> reporter: sure, the lights are on in congress, but it is eerily quiet in the hallways. we're expecting the senate to reconvene at noon. that is when majority leader mitch mcconnell will make some remarks. what we do expect is that a lot of what the dealmaking is going to happen is behind the scenes, phone calls between negotiators, many of members of congress, they left around 8:30 or so last night after it became very clear that there was not going to be a vote, a vote at least that could get passage of any kind of legislation. and so the lawmakers will have 24 hours to be called back to return if there is something that they can actually agree on and vote on. it was late yesterday we saw shuttle diplomacy taking place in realtime, five hours. you had the vice president mike pence and omb director, mick
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mulvaney, and jared kushner, the about the's son-in-law and top adviser, shuttling back and forth with proposals to the leadership on the house side, the senate side, democrats, as well as republicans. the president at that point had wanted $5 billion for his border wall. democrats very steadfast on saying that it would be $1.3 billion, that was the current offer on the table, as you might recall. it was just on wednesday they had a deal, they had a deal that everybody had agreed to including the president that had a little bit more for this border security. $1.6 billion. well, the senate could not get those 60 votes necessary to get the legislation across the line, over the line for that short-term resolution to keep the government open, as well as getting the president what he wanted, his $5 billion. so now what we have is the blame game that is continuing to go on. that the president blaming democrats and the democrats releasing this statement here saying regrettably america has now entered a trump shutdown.
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and republicans if they choose to continue this trump shutdown, the new house democratic will swiftly pass legislation to reopen the government in january. there is very little wiggle room here. one thing that did happen that seemed to at least kick the can forward is that the debate continues. the procedural move to continue talking about this is where we are at this point. but outstanding questions and big questions are is there going to be language here that the president can sign on to, something that makes it sound like it's close to the kind of funding or support he needs for his brick and mortar sto-- his they call it something different, border security, how long will this take, and can they rely on the president's word, they had an agreement before, he blew it up before, and -- can they get something they can agree on now that they can sign on to now with confidence? >> the president's already changing the rhetoric from border wall to steel slats and talk more about border security
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than the wall itself. suzanne malveaux there on capitol hill. thank you very much. president trump says that he has canceled his trip to florida so he could stay in washington to, quote, wait for democrats. cnn white house correspondent abby phillip joining us now. how long do we think he'll stay in washington? >> reporter: that's the most important question i think to president trump now, especially since i'm sure he's been looking forward to what would have been a 16-day vacation in florida. instead he's been here dealing with the government shutdown which essentially this week became very real when he decided he was not going to sign anything out of congress that did not have money for border security. now president trump spent the last day here at the white house. he's let others do the shuttling back and forth on capitol hill, trying to work out the deal. instead, what trump has been doing is trying to reframe and rebrand this government shutdown. just a week ago, he said he would take full credit for it. today, he's willing to caught it the democrats' shutdown.
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listen. >> call it a democrat shutdown, call it whatever you want. but we need their help to get this approved. democrats, we have a wonderful list of things that we need to keep our country safe. let's get out, let's work together, let's be bipartisan, and let's get it done. the shutdown hopefully will not last long. >> reporter: and even that last point, president trump just days ago said that if the shutdown happened, it would last a long time. one of the problems that we are facing with negotiators according to sources who were briefed on the meeting that president trump had yesterday with senate republicans, is that president trump has not given them a clear sense of what he would be willing to sign. he did sign a $5 -- he did sign off on a $5 billion package on the house side. that's deemed pretty inoperable on the senate side. the question is where will there be compromise. so that we've gotten little clarity from president trump on this. while he's here in washington
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today, melania trump and barron trump are in florida. they're keeping plans to spend christmas pat mar-a-lago. it's quiet here at the white house. there's no sense of urgency or staff running around trying to make this happen. it seems that the shutdown is here and here to stay until we get a little bit more clarity about what sprupresident trump willing to accept in terms it was a compromise on the hill. >> thank you very much. so beyond the politicians, what and who is at stake here during the shutdown? at least 420,000 federal employees will be expected to work without pay until lawmakers make a deal. about 380,000 employees will be placed on furlough as we head into the holidays. >> essential services like social security will still get funded, and the mail will also be delivered. federal employees when keep people safe like the military, law enforcement officers, those will keep working, as well. >> those are just the federal
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employees, but they have families. many depending on paychecks, and merritt they're coming in -- and maybe they're coming late. >> policy director for the american federation of government employees joining us. we should note, this is an organization that support hillary clinton in president 2016 election. jackie, i know that you represent workers from a bunch of agencies, a bunch of departments. one of them being workers under the department of homeland security. listen to what the head of the department said this week about the wall. >> first, walls work. we know it, we've seen it in san diego and yankee stadium a. everywhere we -- yuma. everywhere we see that, and this is a physical infrastructure along with the technology and personnel that go to it. >> secretary nielsen obviously
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sees this as an important thing to get done, building this wall for president trump as well as on the border for what she believes is security. do the workers you represent who work under that same department feel that this is worth it, as well? >> well, i don't want to really talk about the shutdown in the context of whether or not we need a wall. border security policy or immigration policy shouldn't be negotiated at the last minute. when the job at hand is to fund the agency, the general operations of the department of homeland security as well as several other agencies. you know, we do represent border patrol agents, i.c.e. agents, the employees of fema, transportation and security officers working at airports across the country. they need operational funds to do their work so they can get their paychecks and not be
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distracted by this sort of 11th hour insistence that the entire funding of one-third of the government be put on hold while they try to negotiate in this way over border security and immigration policy. >> afge's statement in response, the reaction right at midnight to the shutdown, highlighted that, quote, sadly we have a president that is proud to have made it happen, speaking of the shutdown. what does that element specifically mean to your group, to the members? it was important enough to highlight in the short statement released. the president said he'd be proud of a shutdown for border security. >> well it just demonstrates a complete lack of concern or understanding of the impact that a shutdown has on not only these workers' lives, but also their ability to perform the mission of the agency. and our members are extremely devoted to the work they do. they're extremely devoted to any
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people in housing and urban development are extremely devoted to helping people who have, you know, financial difficulties, find housing. people in homeland security, people in the justice department. we have corrections officers who are doing very, very dangerous work, having to go into federal prisons every day without their paycheck. then on the personal side, these are real families. you know, everyone notes that it's the holiday season. even if it weren't the holiday season, where people -- people we represent make modest salaries. transportation security officers, for example, the people who were making sure travel is this holiday season for anybody who's flying to visit their families. they take home less than $500 a week. >> yeah. >> they cannot afford, they have no cushion, they cannot afford to go without a paycheck. not for a day, not for a week, not for a long shutdown.
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this is a financial catastrophe for them. even to wait for a paycheck, they become late on their bills, sometimes when you're -- when you miss a payment for rent or a credit card bill, it can affect your ability to get a security clearance which also affects your ability to hold your job for many federal employees. the impact is very severe, and the idea that somebody would be proud to impose this kind of hardship and pain on working and middle-class americans who happen to work for the government, it's terrible. >> you know -- >> go ahead. >> so i think you mentioned something there that i think conceptually we understand but may not realize in this moment. when we come back and talk about the shutdown, we show the capitol dome, we show scenes from washington. the vast majority of federal workers who will be impacted by this are outside of washington,
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d.c., so this will touch all parts of this country. >> absolutely. about 15% of the federal work force lives in the broad washington metropolitan area. so 85% are spread across the country. we're talking people who work in federal prisons, airports, you know, who are -- the people who are provided border security in our northern and southern borders, fema personnel who are still assisting people who have been affected by natural disasters this year. people all over the country. >> all right, jackie simon, thank you very much for bringing us such a personal perspective for this story. >> thank you for having me. investors blame the government shutdown for a dismal trading day. president trump blames the feds. who's right? bloomberg's eric watson joining us next. ♪
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wall street had a rough week with the toughest losses since the recession closing down 404 points on friday. for the week it fell 6.9%. president trump blames the fed chair for the downfall after interest rates saw another hike. >> according to bloomberg, trump is even thinking of firing jerome powell, a man he hired himself. cnn's money and politics reporter with more from the stock exchange. good morning, cristina. >> reporter: a brutal week in the market. the dow and s&p on track for their worst december since the great depression and worst yearly performance in a decade. this week the selling began in earnest on wednesday when the federal reserve raised interest rates. investors got nervous that the central bank was weaning this economy off of easy money. we've had historically low interest rates now for over ten years. and that's helped boost the economy.
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when interest rates are low, consumers are more incentivized to buy houses and cars and, of course, stocks. rising interest rates might have the opposite impact. that is what spooked wall street. add to that fed chairman jerome powell disappointed investors by making it sound like more interest rate hikes were already baked in for 2019. that sent the market even lower. adding to the negativity, president trump who tweeted on thursday that he was willing to partially shut down the government over border wall funding. even after one of his economic advisers tried to assure the market that a short and partial shutdown would not have lasting economic impact, the president took to twitter to emphasize the shutdown could be long. on friday, the federal reserve tried to repair some of the damage. new york fed president clarifying that the fed will monitor what's going on in the financial markets and future hikes really depend on economic data. overall, a very volatile week for wall street that ended with
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investors still deeply concerned about the impact of the trade war with china, a global economic slowdown, and the stimulus from the tax cuts wearing off. victor, leyla? >> thank you very much. let's bring in congressional reporter for bloomberg, eric, president trump is blaming the fed for this market nightmare. and he wants to fire or has talked about anyway firing jerome powell. this came straight from bloomberg reporting. give me some insight here. could he even do this, and if he did, what would that mean for the financial markets? >> i think the independence of the fed is the key thing that keeps the united states from becoming a banana republic. this would spark markets. all of trump's advisers are advising him ton do this. there's -- not to do this. there's the question of whether he would be legally able to do
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so. there's concern that the weakening economy could be the deciding factor in the 2020 re-election race. much more karen thconcern about the government shutdown or secretary mattis' surprise resignation. he's been talking openly about firing powell, and this conversation has been going on, it was broken by my colleagues, jennifer jacobs and saley saleya moson. we're feeling like the markets will be rattled by this when it comes to next week. >> powell has also indicated that we might see more rate hikes in the near future. what should we expect when it comes to investors here in the next few weeks and months? >> i think jay powell understands the fed needs to be independent. if anything, trump trying to push the fed could make the fed do the opposite in order to assert its independence. another story in "bloomberg business week" a few months ago talked about powell making the rounds to shore up support, making sure that everyone is pressuring trump ton interfere
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with the independence of the fed. i would not expect the fed to be cowed by president trump. at this point, i do not expect trump to fire powell. it could rattle investors. >> i know you spend a lot of time in d.c., congressional reporter, as well. what are you making of this week? this is a time where we saw a lot of things going on in terms of the defense secretary, in terms of the markets, in terms of the shutdown or the partial shutdown. what do you make of this week? >> i think the markets are very nervous. as we saw with the 2% drop in the dow, 2% drop in the s&p 500 yesterday, they're off their highs by nearly 20%. and this is really a feeling that the government shutdown is contributing to a sense of dysfunction in d.c. not year we've got the debt limit that needs to be raised. trade agreement with mexico and canada that needs to be approved by the democratic house. the sense that these guys cannot come together to keep the government open is really contributing to a sense of unease about d.c. and what needs to happen.
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trade is really the biggest policy question. can a deal be done with china and president trump, his inability to cut a deal on a tiny portion of the government, $5 billion on the border wall really has investors nervous. >> so we've established trade is a big deal. interest rates, but how exactly -- i know this is a tough question, but at least provide guidance here. how do we get the markets back on track? >> i think roping the government would be -- reopening the government would be the first step. there are talks, i'll be on the capitol to see if they can come together on an agreement. put it before the senate sunday night. i think that would when markets come back in on wednesday, that could provide a boost. and you know, really set the tone. you know, president trump has talked about doing deals with democrats, doing something on infrastructure. if they -- these guys can start working together, that held, i think, provide some confidence. the fundamentals of the economy are strong. in fact, the growth estimates for 2019 are increasing. consumer sentiment is high. it's not yet being dented by these downturns in the markets.
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things could still turn around. it would take a steady hand in d.c. >> eric, thank you very much. this partial government shutdown happening just days before christmas. two important questions here -- we'll see if we have dierindica to answer how long it will last. will president trump ever get the border wall he promised during the campaign? concrete, dozens of feet high, impenetrable? more on that coming up. new theraflu powerpods. the cold and flu fighting machine. you put in your machine.
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the president followed through on his promise to shut down the government if he didn't get funding for his southern border wall. the white house and congress failed to reach a deal to keep it funded for this -- for the third time this year. it's the first time, perspective here, in 40 years since that has happened. it's still unclear how close lawmakers are to striking any sort of a deal. all of it sparking concerns that this shutdown may last until well after the new year. and speaking of lawmakers, let's go to cnn national correspondent suzanne malveaux on capitol hill who is now with senator james langford. lebron james sta lawmakers starting to show up there. suzanne? >> reporter: thank you, senator, for joining us. appreciate it. you've gotten a readout here from the team, from vice president mike pence, kushner, and what is the bottom line here? what are they looking for in a
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deal that the president would sign off on to reopen the government? >> the president's been very focused on border security. he's been no grand secret of that. said that for months and months. the argument has been around what chuck schumer called the slush fund for border security that was in the previous appropriations bill. he didn't want to have wide-open undefined. how do we get that defined for what that is, whether it's land ports of entry, technology, things we don't have disagreement on border security to try to get that clearly defined and then try to get this final bill written and done. >> reporter: what are they looking at? what's the number nays -- numbe they say it's okay? chuck schumer says $1.3 billion. >> this is the interesting challenge. you've got the white house that says $5 billion. you have nancy pelosi who says zero. you have chuck schumer who said 1.3. we've had a senate appropriations bill month ago that was 1.6 billion. all the numbers floating around, i think we're going to end up in that range. to try to figure out how to split the difference between zero and $5 billion and to be
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able to resolve this. but the key issue is everyone wants resolution for exactly what it means when you talk about border security. what is fencing, what is land ports of entry, what's technology, what's staffing. i think there's a general agreement now that we need do border security. now's figuring out how much for each amount. >> reporter: say you come up with a magic number between $1 million and $5 billion. how can you count on the president's word that, yes, he's going to agree to the deal, there is a deal you'll sign on to. he reneged on the deal wednesday and blew it up. here we are. >> we have the without, senate, and house of representatives, all -- the white house, senate, and the house of representatives, all involved in the conversations. the vice president sat down with chuck schumer yesterday on do the final negotiations. the approximately will have to sign off, the same with any law put in place. we went to the white house yesterday to sign off on a criminal justice reform bill because all three bodies agreed on it. it's signed, it's into law. we'll have to do the same with the budget, as well. >> reporter: you trust that the president will carry out -- if
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they say this is the deal you're going to vote on, not a test vote, a real vote, you're confident that the president if vice president mike pence says, yes, he's willing to go along with this, that he is? >> i am confident. we've agreed in the senate we're not bringing anything to the floor until we know all three bodies have agreed to it, then we can expedite it through the process on the floor. >> reporter: whose fault is this? obviously the president is pointing at the democrats. and he has flipped the script in a way because he has put forward and republicans with the cooperation of republicans, a new piece of legislation, not the old piece agreed to before. something new that requires more for his border wall. the democrats say, look, we've given enough. >> right. everyone enduring a shutdown spends all their time doing this, constantly pointing at each other saying it's their fault, their fault. the president clearly said months ago he's not going to sign a bill unless it has border security on it. i understand all the confusion the last several days now on what that amount is and what that really looks like. he's made that clear. democrats have been clear on
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what amount they want to do, democrats have been clear. frankly, this is everybody sitting in the same room to resolve this. myself, joni ernst, david perdue, months ago, put out a proposal to say we can end government shutdowns in a simple way -- congresstant leave. everybody has to -- congresstant leave. everybody has to stay in session, on the floor, to resolve differences. that's the way you get things resolved. we tried to get it done earlier this year. this is not just a partisan issue, this is a process issue that congress has to resolve. when you have differences, you don't hold the american people at harm by doing a government shutdown. keep that funding going, but hold congress in place until the budget work is done. >> reporter: it seems like it's a failure on many people's levels, many people's parts. >> right. >> reporter: i want to go back to the frustration that i know many republicans feel. and perhaps yourself, as well, is how do you know what to bank on here. is the president's word worth anything? if he says this is what we're going to do, and you come back and say we're going to vote on
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this and he changes his minds again. >> i don't know if he changes his mind. i don't know the inner workings at the white house the previous time. there was a sense he was going to do it, but i don't know that he put out a public statement that he was going do it. i assume the president will put out a public statement, here's what the agreement is, we'll move forward. when the president puts out a public statement, the house and the senate put out public statements, we'll move forward and vote and get busy. >> reporter: what is the timetable that you're hoping for? in light of the discussions with pence and kushner. >> right now there's a 24-hour notice before the next vote. at least 24 hours from now. right now we're trying to finalize all the final text and to be able to make sure everyone's looked at it, everyone's agreed, signed off on it then the text will go public to all members to go through and be able to look at it. then we'll move to a vote 24 hours from there. at any point now, we're at least 24 hours more of a shutdown from where we are right now. >> reporter: okay. does it matter what it's called, a border wall, slats, whatever -- >> doesn't matter. doesn't matter. what's funny is the secure fe e
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fences act that passed in 2016 with overwhelm -- passed in 2006 with overwhelming support, built 600 miles of fencing. in 2006 this wasn't a partisan issue. it has become a partisan issue now. i think we should be able to agree on border security. this is an ongoing issue that historically has not been a problem. >> reporter: thank you very much. appreciate your time. hopefully we'll all get home for the holidays. >> hope so. merry christmas. >> reporter: thanks again. that's the latest update on the talks that are going to be going on later in the morning. >> thank you for that. the simultaneous conversation of not just the amount that will be determined by congress and the president but the specific allocation. not just defining the number but what that will go to. will it be technology, will it be a wall, a fence? that conversation happeni ining the senators continue negotiations as the day goes on. and the shutdown stretches beyond the serventh hour.
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a lot of wall has been built. we don't talk about that. we might as well start because it's building, it's being built now. big sections of wall. we will continue that. and one way or the other, it's going to get built. >> that was president trump during the contentious oval office meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. he's claiming the border wall that he promised during the campaign and for the first two years of his administration is being built. now this is not a new claim.
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here's the president a few months ago at a rally in june. >> build that wall! >> oh, it's happening. it's not build that wall anymore, it's continue building that wall. we're building. >> look at this -- his supporters have even traded in those "build the wall" signs for "finish the wall" signs. so is it true? has congress approved funding for the border wall? here are a few facts -- the week president trump signed a major funding bill in march, he tweeted, "got $1.6 billion to start wall on southern border." he's referring to this section of that huge funding bill for u.s. customs and border protection, procurement construction and improvements. yes, nearly $1.6 billion. paying for six projects along the border. not one of them is a border wall. look, fencing, fencing, fencing, fencing, planning and design, and technology. no mention of a border wall. in fact, there's no mention of that phrase anywhere in the law. i checked.
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and aside from 14 miles of secondary barrier near san diego, which is still not a wall that the president promised, the rest is clearly fencing. if you think we're just playing a game of semantics, consider this -- the border wall prototypes in southern california, remember those, congress set aside $20 million to build these eight samples. these were the finalists, one of them was presumably to become the great border wall that the president promised. he first toured them in march, right before he signed the funding bill into law. so which one is being built along the border? not one of them. the same funding bill that allocated $1.6 billion that the president brags about also says that money can only be spent to build designs deployed the prior year. nothing new. no new wall designs, not the concrete barrier candidate president trump promised. certainly not one of the prototypes the president it seemed for the first time only days earlier. it would be illegal to do so.
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bottom line here -- as the president fights for billions of dollars to finish the concrete border wall he promised, remember, despite his claims, he hasn't received a dollar to start it. let's bring in minority whip of the new york city council representing the 51st district. joseph, welcome back. >> good morning, good morning, victor. >> let's start here with the definition of wall. and what the president promised. here, let's watch first what the president said, what he defined the wall would be, what it would be made of. this was during the campaign. >> going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar and steel. it's not a fence, it's a wall. you just misreported it. we're going to build a wall. >> and here's what the president tweeted out this week, i'm going to read it. "a design of our steelsulate barrier which is -- stelat barrr which is at the same time beautiful." that's a fence. the definition has changed.
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has the president given up on his concrete wall? >> it has scary points as you see. >> the points are scary. >> i think if we're arguing at this point about the semantics of what we're going to call the wall, republicans probably have already won. as you pointed out, there are a number of -- >> won what? >> won the battle for securing% border some sort of a physical barrier. i mean, that's really the end game. that's been the goal of the president the whole time. i mean, as you pointed out, there are seven projects. i think four were announced later in 2018 that have replace good 70 miles of fence -- replaced about 70 miles of fencing along the southern border. >> with fencing? >> with fencing, with some form of physical barrier. that's what we're talking about. that's essentially what the senator said, is that we're arguing over the semantics of what we're going to call some type of barrier that holds -- >> that was also the president's argument. the president in the sound byte i played said that this is not a fence, it's a wall, that it was misrepresented when someone said it was a fence. let's move on from semantics here. and what we're -- we're seeing
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in this negotiation, do you believe that there are, you know, $1.3 billion on the table from democrats, the president obviously wants $5 billion for border security. do you believe that there is a $2 billion to $3 billion compromise that would satisfy the president and supporters, his base for whom he changed his decision on signing that funding bill just a few days ago? >> remember, it's not just the president, it's the republican house members that put forward the $5 billion wall funding package. >> this is -- >> i think -- >> they already supported the legislation without it, and so did the senate. this was something that after the president changed his mind, went back on his word that he sent the vice president to the hill to confirm to republican and democratic legislators that he would sign the funding bill, he changed his minds. will he accept $2 billion to $3 billion? >> here we are with two out of the three parties we need agreeing on the $5 billion package for border wall funding. i think chuck schumer at one point -- >> you had it without it, the republicans only changed because the -- the president said he
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wouldn't sign it. come on. >> i think the republicans changed because they saw this as really the last opportunity to get this done before the house switches. me -- >> they were fine with it, but they were fine with it joseph, before. they were going to get to february 8th with the legislation that they had already supported. >> and democrats were fine with border wall fencing as recently as 2013. of course, the secure fence act of 2006. you had some democrats, joe donnelly, saying he'd be fine with a $5,000 border wall allocation. you had joe mnuchin campaigning on border fencing, i think his ad said "i support the trump border wall." i think this is more about chuck schumer squeezing his members, not giving donald trump a win in the 11th hour. and that's, frankly, where we are. it's a chuck schumer shutdown once again. >> the president said he'd be proud to accept the mantle of the shutdown. how now does this 11 days later become the chuck schumer shutdown? >> well, that was before nancy pelosi put the gauntlet down and
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said you don't have the votes in the house. that was clearly a miscapital calculation -- miscalculation on her part. he went out and got it done. we're here with two out of three parties agreeing on this $5 million number. i think there is room for compromise. as senator langford said in the last segment, i think we're talking about what we're going to put toward specific wall funding versus what we're going to put toward, you know, other measures at the border. >> well, they still have to decide what the allocations will be. that's the important element. there may be no allocation toward wall funding as there wasn't in the 2018 bill, although the president has said several times that he's gotten $1.6 billion for a wall. let me play a sound byte from a few years ago from a really prominent real estate developer. he wasn't in government then. we now know that he later got into government. about a shutdown and who historically would be blamed. quite prescient. listen to this real estate developer. >> they talk about the government shutdown. they're going to be talking
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about the president of the united states. who is the president at that time, they're not going to be talking who the head of the house was, the head of the senate, you know, who's running things in washington. they're going to be discussing one person. so i really think the pressure is on the president. >> seems like your characterization of a schumer shutdown argues with the president's point there. >> of course the president is going to be partially responsible for any partial shutdown. this is the argument we had in january of 2018, earlier this year. that clearly was the chuck schumer shutdown. now again, we're at the same precipice where we have a majority of the senate, the house who has already voted on, this and we have the white house also swimming in the same direction. we need democrats, most of whom already voted for some version of border fencing or wall -- >> joseph, all of this would seem to i guess stick if the president hadn't said i will take the blame, i will not blame you when sitting across from chuck schumer. he was proud to take up the mantle of shutting down the
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government for border security. now you and he say that this is a democratic shutdown. let me ask one more thing -- i'm getting a wrap but i got ask. i don't offer this as a zinger or to be pithy here. the president's promise was that mexico was going to pay for this wall. $18 billion to $25 billion depending on whose estimate you believe. why is he handsing this bill off to the american people? should his base accept that renege? >> look, i think his base is happy with him, with the deal we just struck with mexico and canada. i think i would love to see mexico pay for the wall. i not that's not a reality. i'll defer to joan mnuchchi joee mnuchin saying he'd be happy to pay for the wall. i'll stick with chance chance on this one. >> joseph pirelli. i think people remember the campaign, remember who's going to pay for the wall, and thousands of people would shout mexico and the president would
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confirm that. now he's asking the american people to pay for it. thank you very much for being with us. we'll be right back. >> thank you.
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lebron james says that there is a slave mentality among nfl owners. >> coy wire is here with us. not the first time we've heard this type of sentiment but when it comes to lebron it certainly makes headlines. >> he's been a powerful voice pushing for equality. on his hbo show "the shop" he was speaking with today gurley, ice cube and some others and was critical of how the nfl operates in comparison to the nba. listen. >> in the nfl, they got a bunch of old, white men on teams and they got that slave mentality and it's like this is my team, you do what the [bleep] i tell you to do or we get rid of y'all. like, i mean, i'm so
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appreciative of our -- in our league, of our commissioner, like, you know -- >> he works with the players? >> yeah, and he doesn't mind, like, us having the feeling, like to be able to actually have a real feeling to be able to express that. >> lebron went on to say that nba owners and commissioner adam silver see value in open dialogue with players even if they don't always agree. >> coy, you played for the nfl for nine seasons. what are the experiences and what are you hearing from people as well? >> there were certainly locker rooms that i was in where there were players who echoed the same comments that lebron james said. nfl stars of today have had similar remarks. richard sherman, the cornerback for the 49ers, before the season, he referred to cowboys' owner jerry jones as having plantation mentality because he demanded his players stand at attention during the national anthem. but the reality is there are 32 nfl teams. only 2 are owned or co-owned by people of color.
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the rooney rule had to be implemented to help put people of color in positions in the front office and coaching staffs, but the lack of diversity in the front office is not unique to the nfl. the nba has 30 teams, only 3 of those teams have people of color who are owners or co-owners. then you have the mlb, only one team in in that situation. so clearly that's something the players are aware of. we'll see what other current nfl players have to say in the wake of lebron james' recent comments. >> i'm sure people will be reacting throughout the day. coy wire, thanks so much. quick break, next hour starts in a moment. y the masculine fragrance. yves saint laurent.
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our breaking news, the federal government now officially partially shut down. >> there are human beings who are going to be asked to work without pay or going to be told to stay home. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i'm not going to blame you for it. >> if i were chuck schumer i would turn my phone off, sit by the pool somewhere and wait until january 3rd. >> let's work together, let's be bipartisan and let's get it done. >> we had a deal made, but he was listening to the ann coulters, the bill o'reillys of the world. >> this is a president that has walked away from deals that democrats and republicans together had agreed upon. good saturday to you. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm in for christi paul this


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