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her battle to cancer on may 20-9-1989. she was 43 years old. >> "love, gilda" premiers new year's day at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. "the lead" with dana bash starts right now. >> back from iraq and, yes, back on twitter. "the lead" starts right now. inaccurate tweets again. this time a false claim about the nearly 1 million workers impacted by the almost week-long government shutdown. how long will it last? i'll talk to a congressman who has the president's ear. plus, in consolable. the mother of an 8-year-old boy who died in border patrol custody speaks out as questions mount about what happened to the little boy and how the government is trying to stop this from happening again. and indefensible. russia touts a new nuclear missile that vladimir putin
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claims travel 20 times faster than the speed of sound, and the u.s. military can't stop it. the new pentagon chief weighs in. welcome to "the lead." i'm dana bash in for jake tapper. we begin this afternoon with breaking news in hour money lead. wall street's wild ride. the dow prung plunging more than 600 points at one point today before closing in positive territory. this comes just 24 hours after the index posted its biggest sing le gain in history. it was up about 260 when it closed 90 seconds going. drastic swings. once again what are you hearing on the floor there? >> reporter: what a big comeback stocks are making. you saw stocks literally erase a 611-point decline and then close up, talking about the dow, up
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258 points. that's an 800-point swing, so clearly this is a session that's been marked by heavy volatility. at first the beginning of the day, we saw a big pullback after that historic jump in the dow and then we saw stocks come back. as this turnaround is happening as investors are trying to square their books at the end of the year, there's just two more trading sessions in 2018, so there are heavy losses that have to be made up. so far this year we've seen the dow lose thousands of points since its peak in october, so what we're seeing is a squaring of the books so investors can close the books on 2018 with as much profit as possible. dana? >> can finally unbuckle your seat belt from this roller coaster ride there and i'm sure you'll be back again there tomorrow. thanks so much. president trump is back at the white house after visiting with u.s. troops in iraq, and he's sort of expressing concern for the nearly 1 million federal proies who are working without
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pay or furloughed. mr. trump is pointing the finger at his political opponents tweeting, quote, do the dems realize that most of the people are not getting paid? are democrats? we should note that there is no evidence that federal workers who live and work all across the country, not just here in d.c., are mostly democrats. let's get straight to cnn's jessica dean at the white house. jessica, we just learned that there are no votes scheduled which means that the shutdown is most certainly headed into the new year and into the new congress. >> right. we're just rolling ahead with this, dana, and the president also tweeting today he's been talking a lot about democratic obstruction. that's a term he keeps use over and over again. he keeps hitting on that border wall, talking about how the border wall is needed. he, of course, wants that $5 billion in funding. the democrats wanting to offer nothing close to that saying it's not needed for that border wall funding, and so you can certainly say they are here in a
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stalemate. president trump is back in washington and back on twitter. less than two hours after arriving home from his whirlwind trip to iraq the government treated about the government shutdown said do the dems realize most people not getting paid are democrats? the american federation of government employees, one of the largest unions representing government workers, pushed back against trump's claim the shutdown affects mostly democrats saying, quote, a government shutdown doesn't hurt any one political party or any one federal employee more than another. it hurts all of them. while in iraq, the president repeatedly avoided directly answering whether he would accept $2 billion for the border wall instead of his hurricane georges $5 billion request. >> i'm not going to talk about it now, but i will say this. we have been building a lot of wall. >> reporter: instead, trump blamed nancy pelosi for keeping the government closed despite him repeatedly saying he wants the shutdown to continue until he gets bothered wall funding.
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>> but she's calling the shots, and she's calling them because she wants the votes, and probably if they do something, she's not going to get the votes and she won't be speaker of the house. >> reporter: pelosi does have the votes to become speaker and is expected to take the gavel when the new house convenes january 3rd. as the shutdown drags on, the president also faces questions about his trip to iraq. he was in the country for three hours but did not meet with the iraqi prime minister after their face-to-face was cancelled due to differences over logistics. instead, president trump spoke with the prime minister by phone. >> usa! usa! >> reporter: trump was met by loud applause as he spoke to troops talking about their pay raise. >> you know, what nobody deserves it more. you haven't gotten one in more than ten years, more than ten years, and we've got you a big one. i got you a big one. i said, no, make it 10%, make it more than 10% because it's been a long time. it's been more than ten years. >> reporter: but that's not true. military pay has increased every year for more than three
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decades. the 2.6% increase in the 2019 national defense authorization act is the largest in the past nine years, but it's not the 10% trump claimed. president trump didn't shy away from politics while talking to the troops. >> the democrats don't want to let us have strong borders. >> reporter: and we have a new statement from sarah sanders that game in the last few minutes. i would like to read it to you now saying, quote, the president and his team stayed in washington over christmas hoping to negotiate a deal that would stop the dangerous crisis on the border, protect american communities hand reopen the government. the democrats decided to go home. the only rational conclusion is that the democrat party is openly choosing to keep our government closed to protect illegal immigrants rather than the american people. the president does not want the government to remain shut down, but he will not sign a proposal that does not first prioritize our country's safety and security. dana, this political back and
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forth is certain to go on because we're head towards the new year as well. we'll see what the happen the plans to do around that holiday. >> happy new year to everybody. >> reporter: happy 2019. >> except the million people who are not getting a paycheck. >> reporter: yeah. >> thank you for that reporting. we're around the table with our panel. doug hile, you were on capitol hill working with the republicans during a prior shutdown. when you see statements like this in particular seeing the only rational conclusion is that the democrats are choosing to keep the government closed in order to protect illegal immigrants you say what? >> i don't think that's the case. you know, this is -- it reminds me somewhat of what we saw in 2013 in that there wasn't a real plan in 2013 for how to get out of 2013. >> 2013 ted cruzs forced a government shutdown over obamacare resteel. >> it was a fight within the republican party, and this to
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some extent is what happened this time where senate republicans are trying to move forward on something they were told the president would support and all of a sudden the rug was pulled fraught them, so what we're seeing right now is a continuation of the same old reindeer games that we see in politics that is real frustrating the american public right now, whether you're conservative or republican. things just aren't getting done the way they should. >> this is a republican saying that this is, again, fighting a different issue but a fight within the republican party. obviously that's a very different message, understandably, understanding politics that we just heard from the president. do you agree with doug? >> i do agree with him. i would say only this as a footnote what you said, i basically agree but i would just point out that the democrats might have a little bit of a danger for them, too, in terms of messaging. nancy pelosi has said things like a wall is immoral. i don't think that's the right way to view it. i think it's a waste of money. it's an absurd symbol that we don't need there. romania other things that we could be doing that would make a lot more sense like visa
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overstays. most of the people who are here illegally are visa overstays. they didn't come in over the southern border. that's the risk, as i see it, for the democrats. for the republicans, i agree, that they have walked themselves into a box canyon here especially because the democrats are about to take control of the house on january 3rd and they are going to even use that leverage. >> it adds insult to injury that 800,000 people, us a correctly point out in the holiday season, people who possibly live paycheck to paycheck don't know where the next paycheck is going to come from all because this president, after playing precedent for two years, you would think that he gets it, and that he understands that maybe i should own something and since i have an agreement let me move forward and not ruin christmas for all these people and to call them democrats and say just democrats, it's -- the federal government is composed of everyone. so it adds layer upon layer of
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insult. >> well, let me just mention you mentioned the tweet that he said flatly that most of the people who work for the federal government who are furloughed or not able to come are democrats. mark warner, democratic senator who represents the state of virginia, says this is outrageous. federal employees don't go to work wearing red or blue jerseys. they are public servants, and the president is the treating them like poker chips at one of his failed casinos. >> yeah. he's right, and i think the president is betting on two things here. number one, he's betting on this idea that federal workers in general are not popular, that people want less of them, they want to cut government, right, and, second, he is trying to keep us talking about immigration all the time. he thinks that's a loser for democrats, a winner for his party. in fact, i would argue you are going to see this for the next few years, or as long as he's still running for president. this is what he wants his re-election to be about, so i think he sees this as a great
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fight to have. i think where this is going to get perilous for the president is as you mentioned he's been a terrible negotiating -- i don't even want to call it a bart next. terrible at the negotiating table. he's been unreliable to the democrats. he left democrats at the altar once already on this, and he's certainly doing this again. he's also leaving his own party, and the question to me is at what point does this become such a stress on republicans that they can't even rely on him? and as the -- when the democrats come in and start hearings, we haven't even talked about what happened had a little bit with this child at the board they are holiday. when all that starts to come out and the president isn't a reliable entity for republican senators and how members to rely on, i worry this is real going to start to crack. >> doug, the other thing that i noticed that is, you know, example number 732 of things that would be unbelievably -- met with unbelievable outrage if a republican or democrat did this in normal times, but just
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add this to the list, the trump campaign is fund-raising. >> yeah. >> off this shutdown over the wall. actually offering donors to become, quote, an official wall member and blaming democrats for playing the quote, political games as part of this political fund-raiser asking for money in and around the shutdown. >> it's not your grandfather's rnc anymore. not my rnc anymore when i worked there in 2010. >> is there any kind of backlash, do you think, that the trump campaign or the president himself will get for fund-raising off of this? >> he got it in the 2018 mid terms when all of those suburban women and others abandoned the republican party in part because they were offended by the tone that he took regarding the evil, you know, immigrants who were coming -- criminals and the caravan who represented this existential threat to the united states. that was offensive to a lot of republicans. >> and just -- just was told that the house hand senate have now officially adjourned until
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next week meaning -- meaning pretty much next session. the proforma session which is literally proforma today, lasted mere minutes, so this is not going to end any time soon. >> no, and it's possibly not going toned well, and to answer the clip earlier about sarah huckabee sanders saying it's immoral, i'll tell you that we have a border problem. what we have is a humanitarian crisis. we should call things by their names, and we do not have an immigration policy in this country. forget about a good one or a bad one. we just don't have one, right? so now you're calling this a security problem on the border. no. we do not have a security border on the bothered w.yhave had a humanitarian crisis because first we had a policy that was cruel and now we have a policy that is immoral, that you can allow two kids to be in the conditions in facilities that were never meant to basically be held -- holding human beings for more than 72 hours.
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this is the problem that we're having. it's not really about the fence needed and what change or positive change that it would bring to our immigrants in this country or to our own safety. >> everybody stand by because up next we have a republican congressman, probably the most influential with the president on the things we're talking about, immigration in particular. he's going to be here live. then it travels 20 times faster than the speed of sound, and vladimir putin is bragging the united states can't stop it. the potentially terrifying missile from russia.
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we're back with our politics lead, and just moments ago the house hand senate adjourned with no deal in sight to end the government shutdown. this afternoon the house majority whip's office told members no votes on a deal are expected this week. joining me now is a republican congressman mark meadows of north carolina. he's the chairman of the house
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freedom caucus. where are things now? >> obviously over the last 24, 48 hours things have not progressed. there's been a lot of conversation between rank and file members, not necessarily chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, senators, house members with some of their democrat colleagues, and it really comes down to this. democrats are dug in that there's not going to be any money for the wall. we passed obviously $5.7 billion out of the house, and even a compromise that the administration, the president has put forth a number of different proposals with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi have really fallen on deaf ears, so at this point it looks like it could be in for a very long-term shutdown. >> you said the democrats aren't proposing any money for the wall. you know that they had a proposal on the table for $1.3 billion. >> i clarified that today because i want to make sure, knew i was coming on to talk to you, but even the $1.3 billion that they were talking about is for fencing, not for the wall. chuck schumer, can you listen to his words on the senate floor.
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he said there will be no wall. he have's talking about replacing the fencing, and yet here we see the same chuck schumer that in 2006 voted for a secure fence act that would -- with 700 miles of fencing and the same chuck schumer that in 2013 probably voted for that gang of eight bill that talked about bothered security, so, you know, at some point you have to understand that part of our immigration problem has to be addressing border security. >> you're blaming chuck schumer here. you did it on twitter earlier, but the senate passed a funding bill. >> but no money for the wall, dana, and let me just tell you. it may be different in new york, but i can tell you the vast majority of americans believe that a secure border and a secure community is something that is important to them, and to suggest otherwise, you know, with caravans coming in. i mean, chuck schumer had $1.6 billion in the department of homeland security bill just
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recently, and then all of a sudden they went from $1.6 back to zero, you know. i don't think it's something that the president should support. it's certainly not something that house republicans support. >> i don't think it's fair to say that the democrats aren't proposing anything for border security. >> what are they proposing, dana? >> you cover the hill. this is not your first rodeo. >> no, it's not. >> what are they proposeing? are they willing to meet halfway? the president and his team offered $2.5, 2.6 billion. >> let me ask you this while you're on this. you're putting pressure, just so everybody understands, on the white house from the right. would you be okay -- let's just say in this theoretical conversation, democrats went for that. would you be okay with 2.5? >> certainly the sprast majority of republican members of the conference understand that there may be a compromise between 5.7 billion and 1.6 or wherever the number may be, but as we're looking at it the, whether it's 2.5 or 2.7 it doesn't matter. chuck schumer has said no. the american people she as a
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compromise. i she as a compromise, and so certainly if that's on the table, you would find a number of republican members encouraging the president to go ahead hand accept that. >> i want to ask you about something that happened earlier this year. there was a deal on the table, included 25 billion. >> right. >> now we're talking about 1.3, 25 billion for border security, including the wall in exchange for a number of changes to the immigration system. >> right. >> and -- and at least legal status for so call dreamers, children who come to america illegally with their undocumented parents. given where we are now, was leaving that on the table a mistake? >> i think given where we are today, it's all about trust, and part of that -- that deal was about securing our border, and if the democrats are not willing to put up even $2.5 billion or 2.6 billion, they were never serious about it. they were wanting the amnesty portion but not the border security portion, and when you look at, that that's one of the
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tragedies of today is if the democrats are not willing to embrace some of the ideals that republicans believe are important to secure our community, then how do they expect some of the republicans to come along on some of the things that maybe are more for their constituency, whether it be dreamers or daca recipients? i can tell you there's been a lot of discussions this week, should we go ahead and allow for a short-term three-year work visa for daca recipients, the 750,000 or so people that signed up so it gives us a chance to work on that in exchange for the wall? some of those discussions are happening even as we speak, and yet what happens is when you see this entrenched no money for the wall, border security ever, it means that the democrats are not really serious about getting a compromise. >> this is by definition how had a standoff happens. you say they are entrenched you,
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and they see you entrenched so since i'm here talking to you. what are you willing to give up. >> i'm telling you there's a compromise. >> i'm saying to get that money, for the democrats to give in on that money, what are you willing to give them -- >> 5.7 was a compies in. >> you mentioned 25 billion, 5.7 is a down payment. as we've will be looking, a number of options have been floated. obviously we can continue -- we've made an offer 5.pbillion. we passed that how the of the house. nancy pelosi said there wasn't the votes. indeed there were the votes in the house to do that. here's what we have to do. at some point chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and those that work closely with them have to come up with a counterproposal or not, and then they can say zero is the number, but most americans do not believe that zero for border security >> what are you willing to accept in such a counterproposal? >> obviously the number that the president has put out there or that has been reported that they put out, i haven't been in those
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rooms. i've had discussion the, as you know, with the president and his team directly. those numbers are in that 2.5 billion to $3 billion range. >> besides the money, take the money aside. >> we're talking about border security. all immigration reform starts with border security. i mean, at some point, you know, if we go back to reagan, all the way up to today, you have to secure your border eventually in order to have a legal immigration system that works. >> show far the dreamers said they don't want to be part of the deal, if it comes down to it, would you be okay, allowing legal status for dreamers as part of the wall funding? >> at this point it takes a while to get wall funding done. part of what mario diaz-balart who is considered to be more moderate on this issue than perhaps a member of the freedom caucus, even he says that we have to start with looking at border security, and then we can look at legal status -- >> so that's a no?
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>> no, i don't think that's a no, but i think that's part of a process. you can't take one thing out and say will you give citizenship to this group of people without looking at the other parts of comprehension life immigration reform. >> let's talk about the workers. >> sure. >> people who are not working right now. >> yeah. >> the "new york times" talked to several workers, including one woman who works for the irs. she doesn't live here. she lives in wisconsin, a state that the president won, i should add, and she said we're all kind of waiting to see how we go forward. do we apply for unemployment? do we start looking for part-time jobs? >> right. >> and you're talking about just to put numbers on this, 42,000 employees in the coast guard, 41,000 federal law enforcement officers. tens of thousands of customs and border patrol heights. >> right. >> the people who are trying to do exactly what you say needs to be done with the wall. they are not getting paid. last week you said that this is -- effectively said this is what you signed up for in a public service job. >> in that interview what i went on further to say is listen, it's not lost on me in terms of
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anybody that is caught up in this particular thing. i can tell you i was in the white house with the president and his team saying how can we make sure that this shutdown has minimal impact on federal workers and minimal impact on those people on main street, and part of that may be to those essential employees that are having to show up is to make sure that we fund them to make sure that they don't have to miss a paycheck because some of those -- >> you'd be okay with that. >> i'd be okay with that. it's something that i've recommended, that we look at, so it's only those that are truly furloughed that are not working, not showing up to work, that you have to deal with. now it's not to minimize the impact on them as well, but -- >> you realize there are people out there if in goes on they won't be able to pay their mortgage. >> exactly. >> they won't be able to go to the grocery store. >> it's critically important that we look at, that one of the reasons why i put in the with the cao to withhold my paycheck as well. i get, that and it's not lost on me. >> congressman mark meadows, thanks for coming in. >> appreciate it the. >> really appreciate it. thank you.
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the national lead, for the first time we're hearing from the mother of a guatemalan boy who died christmas eve in u.s. custody after crossing the border. we're awaiting autopsy results
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for the 8-year-old felipe gomez. the mother is waiting for her child's remains. let's go to cnn's nick valencia at the bus station in el paso, texas where lots of action have been taken place. migrants are being dropped off. nick, we just learned that dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen is going there to the border on friday, and it seems like things are only getting worse. they are, dana. i talked to charities in the area, the influx that is happened here over the last week and they said her completely overwhelmed. they are not alone. a customs and border protection official tells me the facilities along the border aren't designed to help so many people. inside this makeshift shelter a handful of migrants, some more than just 500 released from border patrol custody. most don't want to talk on camera about what they have been through but one of the migrants agrees only if we don't show his fast.
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>> paid to get out. how much of a bond did you pay? he shows us the paperwork they gave him as a receipt for his $10,000 bond to get out after three months in custody. he says he had to mortgage his home back in nicaragua to pay for it. >> reporter: what do you say to people that think you're criminals, that you don't have a business being here in this country? you have values and you have more or less and you're not here to do bad, you're into the criminal? the more than 500 migrants release in the last 24 hours were sent to a network of non-profits in part because the government can't handle the influence. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen telling reporters family units can only be held for 21 days and are, quote, almost always released into the united states. nielsen, who is headed to the border tomorrow to check on medical screenings of migrant children also address the death of 8-year-old felipe alonzo gomez who died in border patrol
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custody calling, it quote, deeply concerning and heartbreaking but adding it's been more than ten years since a child died in their custody >> translator: i want them to bring my son here. i need to see him soon. i'm very sad that he died. >> reporter: felipe's mother inconsolable as she waits to find out how her young son died. the family now pleading with the u.s. government to return his body, to to be laid to rest back home in guatemala. >> translator: they told us they were doing what we can to get him back, but we just want them to hurry. >> reporter: we here now learning that the autopsy for the 8-year-old boy could take between six and 12 weeks leaving the gomez family waiting such a long time to find out what officially happened and why their little boy died. dana? >> absolutely heartbreaking. nick violence yeah, thank you for bringing us that report, and back here around the table, i mean, you know, as a mother, as a human, to hear that kind of anguish from a mother about the death of your child is
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absolutely heartbreaking, as i said. just on the policy side of this or the practical side of this, i should say, do we really think that a man with an 8-year-old boy is going to be stopped in even trying to get over the border illegally with or without a wall? >> are we safer? are we safer because we put that kid in inhuman conditions that contributed to his guest. no, we're not. this is not had a matter of resources. $21 billion goes into immigration enforcement, more than any other enforcement agency, more than the fbi, the aft, the secret service, the u.s. marshalls. it's not about the money. it's about how we're use the money and right now the real cries isn't these people who came here illegally and are petitioning for asylum. that's really our issue. >> it's a manufactured crisis. >> yes. >> what just happened -- first of all, let's step back here, it's the holidays. we're celebrating the holidays with our family and a child just
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died. children are being separated from their families. some of them permanently, and it's all a policy that the president put in place based on no good reason whatsoever. illegal border crossings are dropping. unemployment in this country is at a historic low. this is totally and utterly unnecessary, the entire policy, and you just heard from congressman meadows, all of this is built on lies. there was -- there was a caravan crisis before the election. week after the election, crickets. we don't hear about it anymore. all of a sudden we're bringing it back out again. we're not talking about the real issues. you know, russia's hypersonic missiles, trillion dollar deficits. we're talking about the humanitarian cries of the government's own making. >> not entirely. look, i -- i tend to agree with you that a lot of this has been ginned up for political reasons, no question. the caravan was a fraud.
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i mean, a few of those people attempted to forcibly, you know, cross the bothered, but most of them are waiting in mexico. there was no crisis. there was no national security situation. at the same time we cannot deny that over the last number of years would-be immigrants have found out that you can claim asylum, and this is a better way of gaining entry into the u.s. than the previous efforts, and so it -- >> why not address -- and we need to reform the way we do our asylum system. more judges. >> why not address the humanitarian crisis in central america. the president? only making it worse. people are just trying to live their lives. >> it is an extremely knotty problem, as we found out when we tried to reform iraq and other parts of the world that aren't here, it's actually not so's to go in and reform other countries and deal with humanitarian -- >> but border crossings are going down. why is -- >> that contradicts what you just said.
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>> i want to ask doug about what a border patrol official told nick valencia which is the following. we're overcrowded, understaffed. we don't have the manpower to deal with this crisis. it's a nosebleed that doesn't stop. so he blames the humanitarian crisis on failures within the agency, but he also says that there's a major failure in congress. >> yeah. i mean, you said it earlier. we don't have an immigration policy. i think both sides can agree on it. >> we've learned if anything from president trump it's two things. one, he simmonds to video. two, the only time he's ever stepped back on immigration was when he saw a video of families being separated. clearly what we've seen with this child and his awful, awful death is something that could cause the president to step back because we saw not just how it affected his poll numbers, but we know that melania said you've got to put a stop to this. if this video gets played over and over again, that's where donald trump could pause on
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immigration again. >> this issue has become the limbaugh/coulter identity ingraham shutdown. they are the ones who called on the president to get tough again on the wall, won't be re--elected federal there's not a wall and so on, but the child's get is -- sorry, i lost my train of thought, but leave it on the -- on the pressure from the right wring that has caused him to -- >> that's obvious. that's why i wanted to talk to mark meadows, and the president, people privately who talk to the president say flatly that this is in large part because in the only does he talk to a lot of people who he trusts on the right on the hill, he watches another cable network where they have hosts that you were talking about who are pounding him stay the course. >> well, exactly, and i think it was his own daughter who intervened the first time that got him to change his mind. laura ingraham is what caused this hole government shutdown apparently in the first place,
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but i don't want to let congressman meddo off the hook either. this small minority of the loups, which by the way took a real drubbing in the election, right, they are coming back with a vengeance, and they are not telling the true. i mean, democrats said they were willing to spend this $1.6 billion. you hear him saying they won't spend anything. you hear him saying the democrats oppose border security. >> there's something else -- >> there's something about that term border security versus fence versus wall. >> and there's another -- there's another question here that spokes to that, and, doug, you worked for the house republican leadership, when are they going to say, you know what. it's -- it's okay to pass a bill without these republicans and do it in a bipartisan way. the reason we're in is this shutdown is because paul ryan on his what i out the door heard from the president i'm not going to -- i'm going to veto whatever the senate is sending over and so he decide not to take a involvement well, at some point you just take the vote,
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especially if you're heading towards retirement. >> i would say there's two answers to that. the first answer is never. >> why? >> we weren't able to do it before because we would not overcome the 50% rule within our own party. that's why is -- you remember covering the 2014 house republican conference, retreat in cambridge, maryland, where we present our immigration proposals to our conference. >> i do. >> it was about 45 minutes. we never talked about immigration for the rest rast year because our party within the conference told us not to talk about it again, but other option is donald trump, if he wants to be the deal-maker, his base will follow him on something like this or even on guns where he says i'm not going to give up on the wall. this is a good deal f.donald trump wants to be the great deal-maker, he's one who can do it in a way that had a president jeb bush or marco rubio wouldn't have been allowed to. >> everybody stand by. we do have a lot more to talk about on the issues you mentioned. gas prices are down, wages run, unemployment low, so why is president trump mostly focused on wall street? stay with us. maria ramirez?
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the money lead. another wild swing on wild street. the dow closing up 260 points after taking a nosedive earlier today. the close raised a question once again what is going on and how much is the president's talking about this impacting the stock market? so let's talk about this. as we mentioned going into the break, the overall health of the economy is good. unemployment numbers are good. all of the other factors, but this is a president who talked
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incessantly about how great the stock market is. he's a new yorker. he's obsessed with the stock market. you live by the stock market and die by the stock market. >> yes, exactly. so a couple of points. one, the stock market is not the economy, and that's something that somebody should be drilling into him though that wouldn't do any good on a daily basis. the other thing to bear in mind is yes, right now our economy seems strong as people say the fundamentals are strong, but we've been in this recovery since the middle of 2009. an unbelievably long time. markets fluctuate. you know, reinvestigations do come and the other thing to bear in mind is we're in a global economy and europe and asia are seeing a decline in productivity and in their growth, so it's -- it's not out of the question that these fluctuations that we're seeing in our market are internationals of something of a downturn. >> i've been told -- i've been told by somebody who talks to the president a lot that his focus, even before the markets started to really take a downturn, two things.
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the stock market and gas prices focus as it relates to his re-election. listen to what "the washington post" is saying, quoting some former officials, former trump officials. the lower the market drops, the more the president worries that he is losing the most potent argument for re-election. >> 100%. i mean, this is the one thing that -- you know, i didn't run a re-election campaign, but when you're running a presidential campaign, this is probably the most important factor, and in a re-election it -- it can literally be the difference between winning or lose, so i think he's -- i don't endorse his behavior what is over, but i think his worries are legitimate. i think he's doing more to make it worse, by the way, but absolutely. and i think deep down he'll never admit it. his victory is so brittle. winning three states by less than 70,000 votes. you know, if woe go into next
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year, people are lose jobs and stock market is down, it will be hard to get re-elected. >> in terms of his base i don't think they are necessarily paying attention to the market, and i think it will be interesting to see what the reaction -- we're not talking about people who don't zig when you're supposed to zag. no. that's not really happening yet. when those statements come in and they see their pension plans take a hit, i wonder what the reaction will be because i think that perhaps they are not paying attention to that but the numbers will tell the story pretty soon. >> yeah. the thing i hear most from congressional republicans is not so much complaining about what trump tweets, it's what he doesn't tweet and that's the first friday of the month when we get good economic news where donald trump can say at 8:31 a.m., the numbers that come out, this is what i've done for the american economy this month and he fails to do it almost every month. it really frustrates republicans who want to be able to have something to campaign on positive with -- >> you're talking about somebody who should be a leader but is not. >> the weird thing is now we're talking about the economy and how potentially perilous a
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downturn is in the economy for his re-election, and when he wasn't on the ballot his focus was not on the economy, to your point, it was on immigration which did frustrate republicans and then republicans lost 40 seats? >> right. >> and the other thing he should bear in mind if he's worried about the economy being a drag on his re-election is the tariffs that he is so fond of, something that he's hindering the economy already. we're just going to begin to feel it in the coming year, most economists believe. the effects of those tariffs, and the other thing is that markets hate uncertainty and his erratic behavior and his firing of people and the letting go of stable people in the administration like mattis does not increase confidence in him so to the degree that he's undermining confidence in his own government, that's bad for markets. >> i think the other thing to
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watch for is the more nervous he becomes about the economy, the more he's going to put out shiny objects to distract. his only path to victory will be to paint the democrats as fighting for somebody, not fighting for you so he's going to use immigration to say, hey, they care only about undocumented workers, i care but and try to completely distract. >> i don't think he's nervous about the economy. i think he's nervous about the upcoming investigations and the democratic chong has him worried. >> i think he's actually got a lot to worry about. but, you know, listen, the economy, the fundamentals are still good, and we should remember that. everybody stand by because we want to talk about an issue that robbie was mentioning. russian president vladimir putin is showing off and bragging about his new missile that can reportedly travel 20 times faster than the speed of sound. what's critical thinking like?
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in our world lead today, vladimir putin is beating his chest and making sure the united states knows it, claiming russia has successfully tested a new hypersonic missile system that could evade all american defense systems. it's a type of missile that u.s. defense officials have been warning about for months, but as cnn's barbara starr reports, there is some skepticism about how some operational this new russian weapon really is. >> reporter: u.s. defense officials say this is the real deal. russia test-firing its new high-speed hypersonic missile, a missile that the u.s. military currently cannot defend against.
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russian president vladimir putin pulling no punches on his intent. >> translator: the new avant garde missile system sin vincible against today's and future air and missile defense systems of the potential enemy. the this is a big success and a great achievement. >> if the weapons work as advertised, there is no current defense against them. >> the russian missile has captured the attention of patrick shanahan, the deputy defense secretary who will take over as acting pentagon chief when secretary james mattis leaves next week. shanahan warns the u.s. needs to be able to detect the fast flying missile much further away than current radar systems can handle. the u.s. has to detect to detect 200 dreads, not thousands of miles away because of its high speed approach. the pentagon may spend $1
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billion trying to counter its capabilities. the russians are making significant yet unproven claims about their missiles saying it's capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. it the flies up to 20 times faster than the speed of sound. it can adjust altitude and direction to avoid detection. putin says it's invincible. >> we're going to need a different set of sensors in order to see the hypersonic threats. our adversaries know that. >> the challenges are also political for president trump who is relationship with russian president vladimir putin has been roque since july's helsinki summit. >> putin feels incredibly emboldened. putin believes that this is the time to press his advantage. he's put his forces in ukraine and eastern ukraine. he's, of course, taken over crimea. he's now gaining ground in syria. this is russia's time in his view. >> reporter: now because the russians are putting so much effort into this new missile, the u.s. is responding by
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funding its own effort. the pentagon says it has no choice but to proceed. dana? >> barbara, thank you for that report. i'm dana bash in for jake tapper. you can follow me on twitter @danabashcnn or tweet the show @theleadcnn. our coverage on cnn continues right now. happening now, breaking news. failure to launch. congress reconvenes but only for minutes as lawmakers signal the government shutdown will stretch into next week with the blame game in full swing on capitol hill and at the white house. is anyone looking for a solution? market madness. half plunging hundreds of points the dow industrials stage a dramatic late afternoon comeback. what's behind the gut wrenching ups and downs? what will get the markets back on track. closing the loop, president trump's personal attorney


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