tv CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera CNN January 19, 2019 2:00pm-3:00pm PST
it's just about 5:00 on the east coast. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin this hour with breaking news, the president making a public offer to democrats this afternoon, to end the partial government shutdown now in its 29th day, from the diplomatic reception room of the white house, the president painted a dark picture of the situation at the border, calling it a humanitarian crisis, talking about coyotes and drug cartels. he unveiled his plan, and he made what sounded like a possible concession on his wall. the big beautiful concrete wall he talked about over and over again while running for president. listen. >> the plan includes $5.7 billion for a strategic deployment of physical barriers or a wall. this is not a 2,000 mile
concrete structure from sea to sea. these are steel barriers in high priority locations. >> cnn's ryan nobles joins us live in washington. the president calls this a common sense compromise that both parties should embrace. his words, but democrats began rejected it, even before he spoke. nancy pelosi calling this a nonstarter, did trump say anything in his speech to change their minds? >> it doesn't seem like it, at least not at first blush, democrats rejecting this idea from president trump. what this appears to be is an effort by republicans to put the ball back in the democrats court, in exchange for providing me funding for humanitarian aid, for drug detection, for border agents and for judges, i will give you three years of extended fro teks for the dreamers, initially known as the bridge act when if was proposed as a compromise solution. and he also will provide
protection for immigrants covered by the temporary protected status, allowed to stay in the united states. even though the president views this as a good faith offering and many of his republicans are parrotting that claim. republicans view this as dead on arrival. the first being that they did not involve -- the white house did not involve democrats at all in this conversation, this was essentially negotiated in a white house echo chamber, between jared kushner, mick mulvaney and mike pence. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer or dick durbin were not involved in these discussions. president trump and mcconnell must open the government today. second, i cannot support the proposed offer as reported, and i do not believe it can pass the senate. third, i'm ready to sit down at any time after the government is open and work to resolve all the
outstanding issues, that is the broader point right there, the republicans and democrats are still not reading from the same sheet of music here, president trump continues to want to tie the negotiations of reopening the government to some sort of immigration solution. border wall, border security, whatever you want to call it, democrats do not want to have that conversation in conjunction with the government shutdown, they want to open the government first and have that conversation later that is not where the president is. even though it may seem there's a level of progress here, because there's something new on the table, we cen willy are still at square one because this is not a conversation that democrats are interested in having right now. >> we will see, because i'm going to talk to a democrat right now, ryan nobles, thank you, i want to bring in zoe laughgrin of california. nancy pelosi calls this a nonstarter, does she speak for you? >> yes, she does. you can't negotiate by keeping
the government hostage. we need to reopen the government. and then we can sit down and try to reach an agreement. there's been no sitdown yet, this is just negotiations by tv spotlights. >> it does sound like trump is conceding on the definition of his border wall. he's asking for 5.7 billion for physical barriers, this will not be a wall from sea to sea. he wants improved drug protection technology at the border, he wants to invest more money in people who can help secure the border, they can help process immigration cases in the past. your party has supported this type of thing, and has supported some fencing in areas where it might make sense. why is this offer such a nonstarter? >> well, that's right, but we're not going to negotiate with the government shutdown, we need to open the government and then we'll sit down and talk. the idea frankly that he would offer a temporary protection
from deportation of the dreamers, they have that temporary protection from the courts. so that's really not much. he created the chaos, with the temporary protected status by ignoring his professionals in the state department who said it isn't safe in honduras or sudan, he just ignored that. to say that he's going to extract ransom to solve the chaos that he himself created is pretty rich. the point is, we need to reopen the government, sitdown and we'll come up with solutions that work for the country. >> okay, but if he reopens the government and agrees to do that first. did what you hear sound like something you could agree to? >> well, i don't know what he means -- i've seen a piece of paper that supposedly was from the administration. there's so called humanitarian
aide is actually prisons for families. if that's what the proposal is, i am not for it. we need to have a discussion about what's being proposed and what's we can agree on. if we work in good faith, i'm sure we can come up with solutions for the american people. we have supported rebuilding the ports of entry, because the technology just isn't there. there may be some areas along the border where additional fencing is warranted. we could take a look at that, we have supported additional immigration judges, so there's plenty of room to talk, but we can't do that with a government shutdown. >> you know, in 2013, let me read something you said about the government shutdown then when it was sort ofry versa they're yo. you wrote, what republicans are doing now, is not legitimate governing, nor is it responsible. this brinks manship is wreckless and will help working families, seniors and our economy. again, that was back when we had
a democratic president. and a republican controlled house. so now we're seeing the reverse. how is what democrats doing different than what you were railing against in 2013? >> you can't hold the government hostage to get your way on a policy dispute. i think there's broad consensus in the country. different people have tried it at different times, i remember i was a freshman when newt gingrich tried it, and finally had to say, this is not the way to proceed. we can have a discussion about solving our policy differences, but not with the government hostage. he needs to open the government, he can do it, we've passed the funding bills, that the senate has already passed. let's get off the dime, do that, and get together to reach conclusions that are in the best interests of the american people. >> i think americans would say yes, please, do that, reopen the
government, let's get this moving. there are concerns over the effectiveness of the tsa with the sickouts. is the stand-off now putting national security at risk and at what point do the democrats say it's not worth it? >> the president has the responsibility for this, he said that himself. the idea that he's doing this to make the country safe is ridiculo ridiculous. he's asking border patrol agents to work without pay. they've furloughed the people in the department of homeland security whose mission is to keep us safe. the coast guard that interdikts the drug runners is working without pay. the air traffic controllers are working without pay. this is unacceptable, he needs to open the government, we need to get back to the table -- actually, just begin at the table. and reach a conclusion on the disagreement on border security.
we are for border security, we have a lot of good ideas that we are willing to put on the table. some of which may overlap with the president's ideas, but you can't do it holding the government hostage. >> so let me ask you about the democrats ideas, i understand house democrats are getting ready to pass spending bills this week with border security proposals. what more can you tell us about that? >> well, i will have them out next week, but one of the 3 proposals is something we've been urging for a long time. president obama didn't do what we wished, which was to increase the number of immigration judges dramatically. we need to have a dramatic infrastructure upgrade at the port of entry, almost all the drugs that are coming over the land borders come through the ports of entry, they come on great big trucks and we don't have the latest technology to detect those drugs o are other material that could do us harm.
we also believe that the coast guard needs to be better funded. i've been down to the border and down in south america where they can identify the boats that have drugs on them. you can see it on the map realtime, and yet they only have enough coast guard to interdikt 20% of what they've identified as the drug importing boats, it's ridiculous, we should upgrade that and make sure that that no longer is the case. you don't get there by not paying the coast guard. we're a long way from where we should be, and we're not going to get to where we need to be for our country with the president coming up with deals that -- only his deals that he's never discussed with anyone. >> some of what you just said is what he said as well. you guys sounded similar, at least portions of his speech sounded similar to what i just heard from you. congressman laughlin, i'd like
to continue the conversation with you, as we continue to follow where this conversation goes. thank you for being here and offering your thoughts in responding to the president's remarks today. i want to go now to the southern u.s. border in mcallen texas. i know you're right in the exact place the president is referring to when he says drugs are flooding across the boarder and people are trafficked like cargo. let me play you just a couple of the claims the president just made about an hour ago, and i want your reaction. >> thousands of children are being exploited by ruthless coyotes and vicious cartels and gangs. one in three women is sexually assaulted on the dangerous journey north. in fact, many loving mothers give their young daughters birth control pills nor the long journey up to the united states. heroin alone kills 300 americans
a week. 90% of which comes across our southern border. >> kayleigh, bring us the facts. >> i'm here in mcallen texas where about 40 miles of the 15th congressional district runs along that border with mexico, i want to bring in congressman gonzalez who can give better perspective than i can. when you hear the horrific imagery from the president today, that rhetoric, how do you and your constituents compare his version of what's happening down here with your reality here? >> it's factually wrong, mcallen is the seventh safest city in america, el paso is the safest large city in america. we have zero murders the year of 2018. we're one of the safest communities in the country. it's statistically wrong. it used to be offensive, now we kind of laugh at it. >> you base your perspective on the president's remarks, not
just on what we just heard from him, you were at the white house on wednesday meeting with him, what did you take away from that ability to speak one on one with him about the way he perceives the border and the plan he has here? >> i do believe it was a constructive meeting, any time you can meet with the president and give an idea, i think it's a good -- well time spent. we have 800,000 federal workers who are not employed, not getting paid. i have 10,000 of them in my district. many of them are trump supporters, we have our border patrol, going through a difficult time. the usda, they're all being impacted by donald trump's shutdown, i think this type of policy is what lost them 40 seats in the united states congress, and will probably lose senate seats in the next election, and certainly the presidency. >> today not the first time we heard president trump refer to this humanitarian crisis on the border. he was just here a week and a half ago, you say that wasn't a
genuine visit. what do you mean by that? >> he met with -- he didn't meet with any local officials, he didn't meet with sheriffs, chief of police, county judges who have the real experience on the border. they sent me a photo, i was in washington, we had votes that day of his roundtable. i didn't recognize a single person. it was certainly a staged meeting for him to take photos and send to the american people and send to his 35 million folks who follow him regularly. >> this deal that he announced today was said to be dead on arrival. nancy pelosi had already given it the thumbs down before it was announced, essentially. >> right. >> what it will take to get past this impasse that we're at? >> i was hoping we could get the government open for 30 days, and keep negotiating on border security, but we can't be doing this with a government that's closed. we need to do this under normal conditions with everybody working as we always have.
as congress is supposed to work. and the president needs to know he's no longer in the majority in congress. he needs to negotiate. he needs to give and take, and i don't think he understands that. i think he's having a difficult time adjusting to the congress that we have, and the 116th as the 115th. we're in a completely different environment, we were and they are now. >> you mentioned how safe the city of mcallen is. el paso as well. how do you characterize life here, what do people need to understand about the reality you see on the border? >> i take walks around my neighborhood late at night, something i don't do in washington, d.c.. as i said, it's one of the safest cities in america. it's -- we have zero murders in 2018. we have great law enforcement. and our border is a different issue. he talks about a wall, that doesn't stop 75% of the migration coming across, because they're asylum seekers. they go to areas where there is a wall already and go to a
camera and wave at them, so agents can pick them up and they can have asylum. we should have more judges to process those asylum claims faster, it shouldn't take two years or one year. if you don't qualify, we send you home in a humane way, the way america has always been. >> what do you understand about the dynamic of the people who are trying to come here for asylum, as the president characterize rapists and murderers and criminals. >> right. >> who do you see coming into this town? >> most of them are impoverished folks from three central american countries. we don't have a crisis on the border, in el salvador, honduras and guatemala. that's because of failed american policy we've ignored for decades now. we should be going into those countries and bringing security on the ground and economic opportunity to incentivize people to want to stay home.
ever since nafta and business with mexico has done really well, mexican nationals are going home at a higher rate than they are coming to the united states. and that -- it's not necessarily because of security, but there's economic opportunity. something we don't have in these three central american countries. i believe policy would expedite asieh them hearings and send people home who don't qualify. i'm against open borders, i'm against this -- these groups that are coming across through mexico. i think we need to engage the government of mexico, to secure their southern border, we should have asylum hearings and be able to filter everything there. we need to have creative solutions to an issue we're dealing with now. the president says that we're at an all time high in border crossings. completely false. we're at a 500% low from the year 2000 to now. i'm shocked that he can say this, and gets no push back -- factual pushback from his own
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white house aide keith boyken and cnn's own s.e. cupp, host of s.e. cupp unfiltered airing at 6:00 p.m. tonight. should this is been a game changer? did it sound like a game changer to you? >> i heard nothing new in what trump said tonight, today, in what he said a few days ago, he's been saying all along. he mentioned all these fear mongering threats who were coming over in hords who were attacking america. he never mentioned the 800,000 federal workers who are not being paid. that's the crisis we have right now, it's a crisis that he created, because he said he was going to shutdown the government for something that mexico was going to pay for, republicans had two years to take care of, they never did, and now here we are in this situation again, because trump continues to create a crisis and try to throw some sort of a life raft or life preserver to get you out of the
crisis he created. >> what's your reaction? >> it's a none deal deal. it's a nonstarter. he knows very well, because nancy pelosi has said, she's not going to negotiate while the government is shutdown, and she's not going to consider a wall. unless she wants to let her entire constituency down and change her mind on those two things, i think she's been pretty firm on that. trump had a bag week, some bad optics, some very bad polls, it looks like he's not doing anything to get us out of this, and so he made a nominal offer, knowing full well that democrats were going to reject it, in his mind and maybe in the white house's interpretation, it looks like he's come back to the table. now, that might have some effect, and it might now be pelosi and democrats turn to come back to the table, we'll have to see how this shakes out, i think that was the calculous here, i don't think that was
intended to be a conversation starter. >> let me put back up the graphic we have on the side. i want our viewers to see it, we tried to sort through some of the misinformation that was at the top of the president's statement, and boiled down to what is he offering, what is he suggesting? this is what we heard. he wants to invest $800 million in humanitarian assistance. he wants $800 million for drug detection at ports of entry. he talked about more border agents and immigration judges. and he had his $5.7 billion for a physical barrier, but saying it's not going to be from sea to sea. it's not going to be the 2,000 miles of the southern border. he's willing to extend protections for the dreamers three years. and give immigrants covered by temporary status. allowing them to stay in the u.s. if you look at that list, i see you both shaking your head. you don't think democrats want all of these things as well?
>> there's nothing new in this. one year ago today on january 19th, 2018 donald trump had a similar proposal given to him by chuck schumer, they were going to give him border wall funding and he was going to give dreamer protections, with a pathway to citizenship. >> which is different than what he's suggesting here? >> that's correct. at the last minute he rejected it, he's not a good faith negotiator, he changes his mind from day to day, it's hard to be consistent with somebody who's doing this. the daca thing doesn't do anything to help. the 9th circuit has already decided that his daca revocation is not active, they've already enjoined that on a national level. that's not even on the table any more. >> not to mention the president is the one who created the crisis for daca recipients. >> only the latest one. but to be fair, that point is fair, that's tied up in the
courts, there's not a whole lot either side can do about daca right now, while it's tied up in the courts. the other thing he has to consider is, ann coulter is not into this. she's already come out to say, if you're going to give even temporary protection to dreamers. >> you don't think it's even what the president is willing to do. >> she responded and said, what's the point of a wall? >> he's going to have that to contend with as well. he tends to listen to that side of the argument more than the moderate republican wing, he tends to give ann coulter and sean hannity and rush limbaugh more of his ear. they'll just keep pushing him back in the other direction. >> we had a deal just last month, and trump got pressure and pushed back from rush limbaugh as s.e. mentioned and suddenly we don't have a deal any more. because of two people on his right decided to hold him accountable for a promise he
should have never made in the first place. the democrats have voted nine times to reopen the government, mitch mcconnell refuses to take up any of those measures, any of those bills that have been passed by the house of representatives. he and donald trump are responsible for those who are working and not being paid or not working. the president of the united states needs to do something about it. giving these speeches that don't answer anything, he needs to get in a room and talk to people. not give a speech. >> the democrats are going to pass another one of these spending bills this week, this time they're going to include some money for border security, $1 billion for border security investment in the ports of entry, in terms of additional technology there, additional immigration judges as well. so some of what we heard the president talk about today as well. i mean, is that a smart move, s.e., for them to pass that? can the president say, you guys
just want open borders, you're not for border security at all? >> well, two things it's playing a little loose with border security to say half of that money, 500 million will be for immigration judges. that's a broad definition of border security. but to your point, of course, donald trump doesn't have to say something true to say something. he'll continue to say democrats are not for border security regardless of what democrats offer, and it doesn't really matter to his base, that's what they want to hear, that's what they'll believe. as long as he's perceived by his base as standing up for america first. that's the only real play that i think matters to him. >> was it a mistake for nancy pelosi to put out her rejection response even before the president made his statement today? >> no, because he said exactly what he said before. if trump really wanted to make nancy pelosi look bad, he should
have said something different from what he's been saying the past two weeks, he's offered nothing new. not one single thing. this is not a democratic problem, this is the republican problem. republicans can bring the government back today. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has -- the democrats have voted nine times to reopen the government. mitch mcconnell refuses to take up any of those votes. because trump won't allow him to do it, trump and mitch mcconnell are in cahoots in keeping the government shutdown. >> can i ask you, the fact that mitch mcconnell wouldn't do that, he does have power if he could get everybody on board to veto the president and reopen the government even if -- he's saying he won't pass anything. congress could do this without the president. >> technically, but i don't know what world we're living in. when the senate majority leader is going to override the president. that's not the reality, unfortunately or not, that's not the reality. mitch mcconnell is nhas been vey
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in the third annual women's march. the first marches in 2017 took place the day after president trump's inauguration to protest comments he made about women during the campaign. this year's march is smaller, although thousands have turned out, kirstejn gillibrand told a crowd that the 2017 national women's march was the most inspiring moment of her life. meanwhile, sources tell cnn, the face of the old guard joe biden is getting closer to deciding whether to make a 2020 run. conversations with more than two dozen aids, donors propose that biden is likely to launch a bid. his thinking is centered around one thought, there needs to be a new president. jim messina joins us now, he was president obama's campaign manager in 2012. he is ceo of the messina group.
jim, good to have you with us. do you think biden is the only one that can beat trump? >> no, i don't. we have the largest field we've seen in modern presidential history, i've met with over 30 candidates that are considering a bid. i think you'll see 15 file an run, i think that breadth of field is really healthy, and will allow us to come out with a nominee who is battle tested. >> do you have a top three who you think are the strongest? >> i think today -- as you know, i'm the -- i hate public polling. i think i'll throw that away here, what i think -- democrats win presidential elections, and we have a compelling economic vision for where we want to take this country. in 2016, donald trump won a very close election because swing voters viewed him as better on the economy. we have to seize the reigns on the economic argument. the problem is donald trump himself. the easiest thing to do in a democratic primary is wail away
on donald trump's behavior and who he is, and that will score you political points. it doesn't answer the question on where you want to take the country. i think a big primary like this is going to allow new voices to be seen out there and have that compelling vision. the party will be much stronger. people forget in 2008 that barack obama had to campaign in all 50 states before he finally beat hillary clinton. and we came out of that primary absolutely ready to beat john mccain. >> the door does appear to be wide open for democrats interested in running for the white house. this can pose some complications, right? you have the old guard versus the new faces in the party. like alexandria o'cascio cortese. is early splintering possible? >> i don't think so. if you look at chuck schumer's job in the senate, he has five or ten members of his caucus who are considering and probably
will run for president. i think there's a really robust discussion going on. i personally think that's a very healthy discussion. we shouldn't shy away from it, and i think we'll be stronger off if we have it, but again we need to stay focused on, how do we make people's lives better, i follow about 1,000 voters in the midwestern states online every week who voted for barack obama and donald trump. and what they say every single week is, show me who is going to fight for me and my family, and make the economy better. that's what democrats have got to stay laser focused on, you talked about joe biden, that's always been his strength and if he runs i think he'll run on that kind of platform, and i think you're seeing a lot of other people, new voices to your point who aren't nationally known figures, who have real shots at winning this nomination. >> you talk about where is the identity of the democratic party, where is it headed, where is the poll, some are calling
the race to get into the race, the colbert primary. because people are announcing on his show. i want you to listen to the latest. >> do you have anything you would like to announce? >> yes. >> and what would that be madam. >> i'm filing an exploratory committee for president of the united states tonight. i'm going to run for president of the united states because as a young mom i'm going to fight for other people's kids as hard as i would fight for my own, which is why i believe that health care should be a right and not a privilege. >> the path to the white house has involved late night comedy pit stops for decades, does this reveal anything about where candidates feel the base is? look, i think what it reveals is, you need to work harder to get your message out than you did in the old days, you're seeing a bunch of different ways, beto o'rourke is doing this interesting medium post as he goes around the country
trying to find out what he wants to do, i thought gillibrand's announcement on cobert was really smart. you know, the former secretary of housing, castro announced online in a facebook post. that was kind of different. i don't think it matters what the medium is here, i think what really matters is what the message. and in all of those clips you showed and the kind of clips i've seen recently. i haven't seen people talking about the economy in a way that i think they're going to need to in november of 2020 to beat donald trump. >> you mentioned you thought gillibrand's announcement was smart, doing it on colbert, who is the primary target audience for a show like colbert, it leads me to wobder if these candidates risk going too far left to make them marketable. if they want to have a chance of beating trump is this the best strategy by pedaling to the resistance voters?
>> that's the voter in the democratic primary, right, as a wiseman named barack obama said to me, you have to win the primary before you win the general. especially in a primary this big, you have to focus on democratic voters. you have to have a message that works with swing voters, there's this -- in my opinion, stupid debate going on in my party about whether you excite the base or you reach out to swing voters. carter, clinton and obama reached out to swing voters and were able to do both of those things. in 2016, hillary wasn't able to do the swing voter thing. they have to be able to excite their base, which donald trump is going to do for his base, and talk to these swing voters. >> jim messina, good to have your insight thank you so much for being here. >> my pleasure. it's a new cnn original series, style is a window to where we've been, the cnn
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>>. president trump often boasts about his amazing skills as a deal maker, but not everyone is impressed with his talents. john kerry says the president's actions on the world stage do not help the u.s. kerry sat down to talk about it with our david axelrod. >> and this president is not negotiating. he doesn't negotiate. this is a man who claims to be the world's greatest negotiating. he pulled out of tpp. did he fix it? did he do something for workers? did he make it better? no, he just pulled out. he pulls out of paris. gets absolutely nothing on climate change accord, gets absolutely nothing for pulling out of paris. pulls out of iran. he pulls out of afghanistan. pulls the rug out from under his own negotiator who is about to sit down and negotiate with the taliban. pulls out of syria without leveraging out of the syria agreement something for the kurds, something with respect to russia and iran in order to have
an agreement as to the future of syria and iraq and the region. none of these things take place. this is -- this is the pullout, walk away presidency and it is not enhancing the interests of the united states of america. >> the big quote there, the pullout, walkaway presidency. you asked david axelrod about what was behind those strong words and a little bit more about what kerry had to say. >> john kerry traveled 1.3 million miles as secretary of state in service of many of those agreements that the president is now withdrawn from, but he also continues to be in touch with leaders around the world and he's confronted constantly with questions about what the strategy is here and there aren't really obvious answers. he was very animated, very interesting, had a lot of observations not just about this, but the russia probe and other stories that we are
talking about every day now. so he was -- he was a great conversation. >> anything else you want to entice us with in order to get us to watch your show? >> one of the things he spoke about, john kerry's biography is well-known ands interesting to hear his cut on the president's relationship with the military and his suggestion that he knows better than the generals and he took real umbridge because of his own experience and the fact that the president, of course, famously didn't serve. >> david axelrod, thank you so much for offering your incite. don't miss david's full interview with the former secretary of state come up on "the axe files" at 7:00 p.m.
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. welcome to unfiltered. here's tonight's headline, deal or no deal? just over an hour ago, president trump made his first public offer to democrats since the partial government shutdown began 29 days ago. the president proposed temporary extension of protections for daca and temporary protected status recipients in exchange for his border wall. take a listen. >> in order to build the trust and goodwill necessary to begin real immigration reform, there are two more elements to my plan. number one is three years of legislative