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people hostage over a vanity project he calls a wall. >> he's offering a good deal. >> i think it's getting some traction. >> everybody knows this proposal will not pass the senate. >> i feel betrayed by him. i'm a federal law enforcement officer and not receiving pay. >> we all know it went on through 2016 and the president -- >> this strikes me at most a pathetic attempted spin. >> guiliani is a mouthpiece to speak to the president's base. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." 800,000 workers will miss their second paycheck this week. 10% of tsa workers called out on sunday because they say they can't afford to come to work. the longest government shutdown in history is at its 32nd day. the president initially proposed to own it, now has a plan end to
it but they pretty much know the democrats won't buy. nevertheless, it should reach the senate floor today. meanwhile, the president's attorney, guiliani, continues to confuse denying he president admitted to having discussions about the trump tower and moscow all the way through the 2016 election despite saying several times to cnn that had happened. guiliani said he was speaking in the hypothetical. when asked if the recent string of truth stretching intervals will affect his legacy, he replied i am afraid it will be on my gravestone, rudy guiliani, he lied for trump, but so what if it is, i will be dead. >> reporter: dueling messages from the house and senate this weekend how to end this
shutdown. mitch mcconnell will bring a proposal to the floor later this week that will actually reflect the president's proposal. that's $5.7 billion for the border wall in exchange for temporary extensions of daca and temporary protected status for immigrants. important to remember, democrats are saying, it's not enough, we don't expect it to get the votes it needs to get out of the senate. let's go over to the house of representatives, where nancy pelosi will have a spending bill, multiple spending bills to give more border security and try to reopen the government. what nay don't do is give the president a cent for that border wall, a big sticking point. you have nancy pelosi with her set of bills and mitch mcconnell with his proposal that looks like the president. nobody is getting in a room and talking today. we don't have any indication the president and pelosi are closer to a deal than four weeks ago when it started. >> joining us now, david
gregory, cnn political analyst, jeffrey toobin, chief political analyst and margaret, cnn white house analyst. david, thank you as always for your punctuality. do you feel, david, we are any closer today to ending this shutdown. the president did make a proposal on saturday, democrats rejected it out of hand and said this isn't a place to start, but is this something that should be discussed? >> i think we are getting closer because they're getting into a legislative process. it may be a dead-end but there is some room for negotiation here obviously. one, they could continue down the path of negotiation only if the president reopens the government, once they have legislation in place. you can obviously see a negotiation around how much border wall funding and how much of an extension for the dreamers, permanent or something less. those are the outlines here. remember, the contours of this bill were available last year at
the price of $25 billion. it's now at $5.7 billion to get an extension for the dreamers, although this is not offered as a permanent extension. there's still a lot of public posturing going on. if it's in the legislative process and people are talking quietly, there's negotiation happening. >> but republicans have snuck in elements to this bill mitch mcconnell wants to bring to the floor the democrats are never going to be comfortable with. they want asylum seekers to change the system, not port of entry here but in your home country. i'm not sure honduras has the best asylum system set up and people fleeing persecution from their home country aren't doing it in their home country. it's as if they think democrats won't notice they snuck this in.
>> i like to see brother gregory optimistic about this, boy, it seems like well off from the resolution. everybody knows the parameters. it's not like there is a money number that can be compromised. there are substantive differences starting with the wall but not only the wall, all the related immigration issues are not anywhere nearestlution. i don't see how this thing gets resolved. nearest resolution. i think the united states government has to be re-opened at some point, it will be resolved but we seem way off from the resolution. >> jim clyburn, number three in the house, says if there was permanent status for dreamers or path to citizenship and you reinstate tps permanently, that would be enough to get democrats to the table. we know republicans in the past, only have to go to last february, to see where the
president rejected that because he feared his own base. >> that's right. i spent the weekend at the white house. i was there for the president's remarks on saturday and the briefing from several top officials afterward and conversations then and throughout the rest of the weekend, told very clearly, while there is wiggle room to negotiate on these immigration proposals, both daca and tps, the white house at this juncture is not looking at any negotiation to make any of these changes permanent, certainly not for citizenship. at this point, not for residency either. the question about the shutdown is, there are two ways to resolve it, one, by negotiating some sort of border deal and the other is by detaching it from negotiations over immigration and just re-opening the government. at this point, the white house is prepared to stretch this out a little bit longer, have the federal workers miss another paycheck and try to blame
democrats. if that doesn't work and there is an impasse, the state of the union is still a week away, if that is still happening, the debt limit becomes an issue starting in march and ramping up throughout the summer. >> the democrats have a really valid point. why should we tie this all to re-opening the government? why do you expect the president wouldn't do that again over another issue. separating it out from that i think is very important for them. the other point is, why should we assume donald trump is good at his word. just because he rejected this kind of deal before doesn't mean he won't change now and decide to give the dreamer deal, as long as he can claim some kind of victory on the wall? >> yes. that's an excellent point. or he will agree to something or chuck schumer and nancy pelosi will think he has agreed to something, as has happened in the past, and he will wait to see the reaction from various corners and disagree to do those
things. interestingly, nancy pelosi has a suggestion where she is sneaking in, not sneaking in because republicans have agreed to this in the past. adding on what she wants, $1 billion for immigration judges what everybody says could help the system and more money at the actual legal ports of entry to better check what's coming in, everybody can agree to that. it sounds like she, too, is capitulating on the stance we will not do a single thing until the government is not shut down. >> i, too, every time i flew i said to the tsa people, thank you for working. they are so over it. they don't want to acknowledge thanks to people. a lot of people are saying thank you. all they want to do is get paid. it's so outrageous you think of people now working for a month
with no pay. only john berman would do that because he enjoys being on tv so much. >> i know. >> other than that, no one should be working without pay. >> i would crawl through broken glass and then work, just to clarify that. >> you were talking about who is feeling the pressure, 800,000 federal workers missing their paycheck are feeling the pressure more than donald trump or nancy pelosi. and the president's lawyer, rudy guiliani, who said things over the weekend and walked it back and saying things i don't know where they put him. in general, he's trying to clarify the timeline when the president knew or was discussing the trump tower project in moscow. the most recent thing was give an interview with "the new yorker" before he was taking a shower -- >> not relevant but we are obsessed with that. >> people talk about the fact it's filled with contradictions.
we will do a dramatic reading this time. guiliani is talking about the buzzfeed article and what he knew. >> you will play guiliani and i will play a reporter as i do everyday. >> guiliani, i can tell you from the moment i read the story i knew it was false. >> because? >> because i had been through all the tapes, i had been through all the text and e-mails and knew none existed and when special counsel said there are others i may not know about. >> what tapes have you gone through? >> i shouldn't have said tapes. they allege there's texts and e-mails. saying the president told cohen to lie and the president never told him to lie. >> there were no tapes you listened to? >> no tapes. i have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this. >> where are the hand gestures? there's no dramatic hand gestures. >> this is a table reading,
david, as you know, during a table reading, it's primarily line work. thank you. >> the point is in the space of four sentences, market, he completely con found and contradicts what he had just said in the previous sentence. some people think it's astronomic but i fi astronomic -- strategic but i find it hard to believe. what tapes? did the president know about the moscow tower thing? the reason it's important he was beginning to craft policy during that time. it would be important to know if the president had a multi-million dollar deal going on with moscow at the same time? >> it's important because of the substance at that time and the president's pretty consistent narrative throughout this process, that's not what was happening and weren't discussions of substance going on. i think, alisyn, you have
underscored the key discussion what mayor guiliani is doing, strategic, or trying to do his best to respond to these answers and what they are to be and then getting dialed back by the president's legal team. while he is one of the president's lawyers, why the president wanted him on the team was much more to be a media figure, strategic media talk tore heer to help frame the debate and go on the offense. it is strategic, it is possible rudy guiliani is trying to introduce into the public dialogue some points that will come out later. it is a possible he's speaking instinctively and getting reeled back. that matters for the public debate. it may matter potentially for the information contradictory,
mueller's team has to sort out. what's most important is what mueller and his team are finding out behind closed doors. >> i think the important thing to remember is we are now in a moment where the president has filed sworn written answers to questions, including about russia, when he had dealings with russia. he was obviously lying during the campaign, saying he had no dealings with russia. sometimes during the '16 and apparently even '17, these dealings continued. guiliani is trying to move the conversation to acknowledging as it will come out in these answers there were these conversations going on much longer than the president acknowledged. he's doing it in a way he's trying to pretend the president isn't lying and candidate trump was and that's why i think he gets tied up in knots. >> he's being deliberately deceptive on behalf of president
trump. this is president trump's posturing about these facts they want to dribble out. unless you believe there's something deeply wrong with guiliani, that he's not thinking straight, then he's doing this more-or-less on purpose, as jeffrey suggests, twisting himself up in knots in the process, but it doesn't change the fact what came through so clearly through all the haze of this weekend, one of the big areas of suspicion the president was for example lating policy and developing a relationship with russia on the backs of a big time financial deal his business had with a foreign government while he was running for president. that is what is clear through all of what guiliani has said. >> i think that's a good point. the one thing that shines through here, he's struggling to explain it away. it's hard. jeffrey said, remember, we may have three things here. we may have what the president said in sworn written testimony, what guiliani is saying out loud and the third is the truth.
it's unclear where those three things line up. we will find out ultimately? >> i have to believe, in the course of the mueller disclosures, what the president said in those sworn statements will come out. although this is a whole other topic and came up during the barr hearings extensively, how much we learn of the mueller report is still up in the air. i think we will learn something and the president's statements i have to assume will be part of it. >> john and i stand by to do a dramaic reading when that comes out. >> the president vows to end the shutdown today but democrats say it will not pass. (vo) send invoices and accept payments to get paid twice as fast. (danny) it's time to get yours! (vo) quickbooks. backing you.
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how do they plan to end the shutdown? joining us is senator richard blumenthal. thanks for joining us. what's the last question i posed, what's the democratic plan to end the shutdown? >> there's a clear path, reopen the government, take the bills that passed the house of representatives that would provide funding, much like the bill that was anonymously approved by the senate just a month ago, and then, after we reopen the government, resolve differences about border security and dreamers. we have policy differences all the time, john. we don't shut down the government to resolve them. here, there's strong support for border security through smart measures like surveillance and sensors and electronic fencing and better technology, more manpower, better trained and a solution for the dreamers. >> is your position no negotiations unless the government reopens first?
>> there have to be these agencies re-opening so people can go back to work and so we can avoid the harm to the economy. >> no negotiations before the government reopens? >> there have been negotiations but there will be no successful negotiations until the government reopens. the "wall street journal" looks at this and says the speakers unwillingness to negotiate feels mr. trump might get some credit for a bipartisan immigration victory. is that true? >> i think that's untrue. the reason we're in this dilemma is that the president has made demands and is simply insisting on a vanity project, a campaign promise or applause line, and no president should be allowed to take the nation hostage to achieve a personal triumph. >> i will note you're the third democratic elected official who's used the word "hostage" on this show in the last few days,
clearly, it is a word democrats want to put out there. yes, the government is shutdown and the president said he will own that shutdown. the question is how to get out of it now and what will you agree to end it? james clyburn, the number three on the house, if the president puts a proposal on the table that includes permanent status for path to citizenship and permanent protection for tpa folks, then he might grant some of the $5.7 billion. >> what we have now is a sham proposal about the dreamers, applies only to a limited number of those young people brought to this country when they were children. >> it's only three years. i'm saying if the president moves to permanent legal status? >> i would certainly agree to reinforcement of the barriers at the border wall from sea to shining sea has been abandoned even by the republicans.
>> he's abandoned it now. that's not part of the negotiations at all what i understand it. >> the point is, there is room for negotiations but it can take place when we reopen the government. we have a responsibility. the senate should do its job. we should not just be an extension of the white house, a kind of additional west wing, and we should make an independent judgment. we're sending the president a measure to reopen the government. that's our job. >> all right. i want to talk to you about the mueller investigation right now. rudy guiliani's comments over the weekend. we've been talking a lot how confusing they are to an extent. if guiliani's argument is that maybe the president did talk about building a trump tower in moscow all the way up until the election, legally, is there anything problematic with that? did he break any law by having his people engage in negotiations to build a trump tower? >> certainly, it smacks of
elicit negotiations and dealings with an adversary, with putin's henchmen. here's the important thing -- >> is it illegal? >> he lied to the american people. >> is that illegal? >> it may well be if he also lied under oath or other context. the fact is putin had something on him, which may be the reason why he issued a statement about the trump tower meeting that was plainly false, why trump jr.'s testimony may well be false insofar as he is saying, didn't tell my father. the important point here, which was raised just minutes ago is we need to see the mueller report. it needs to be disclosed. >> you are suggesting maybe there needs to be legislation, you think barr shouldn't filter it in any way, you want to see the whole thing, i get that. back to president trump and guiliani, president trump said he had no dealings with moscow
in 2016. that is a lie, clearly, he was trying to make a deal with russia, but lying to the american people during a campaign is not illegal. >> lying to the american people may not be itself breaking the law. but if it's part of a conspiracy, part of aiding and abetting other elicit actions we need to see the full special counsel report and all that he knows because -- here's another point i think is irre-putable. bob mueller knows more than we do. was he aiding and abetting, part of a conspiracy to break laws, probably alone, lying to american people is reprehensible and irresponsible, but it shows that putin had something on him at a time when the american people needed to know the truth and now more than ever we need
it from the special counsel. >> you pressed bill barr in the confirmation hearings do you think a sitting president can be indicted, and do you feel this president should be indicted and so far for what? >> a sitting president can be indicted, in my view. i recognize there's an argument against it. >> including from the justice department. the justice department has two legal opinions that are very old and really quite unpersuasive in their legal merit. the reason i think the president can be indicted, the trial can be postponed and burden no less than a pending investigation and statute of limitations could expire on crimes that she or he has committed. i think there's nothing in the constitution to prevent it, should this president be indicted. that's the purpose of the special counsel investigation. >> but not yet, as far as you're
concerned? >> i want to see, like any good prosecutor would, and i still like to think of myself as a good prosecutor, all of the evidence, so that we know what the charges should be, if any, and we know the factual basis for any indictment might be. as a general matter, what the special counsel has, the sitting president can be indicted but the trial postponed. 800,000 workers are in danger of missing a second paycheck this friday. one of them joins us with how this is affecting his life next. ? uh... correct! you don't have to choose, 'cause, uh... oh! (vo) switch to the network awarded by rootmetrics and j.d. power. now get $300 off our best phones.
800,000 federal workers are facing the possibility of missing a second paycheck this coming friday. today is day 32 of the government shutdown with no end in sight. joining ugh now is francis nichols the third, a pretrial service officer working without pay and vice president of the government workers employees local 1456 union.
thanks so much for being here with us. tell us what your biggest fear is this morning. >> thank you for having me. my biggest fear is the members i represent and i myself just don't have no clue, the uncertainty when this shutdown will end, when we will be able to return to work with pay, and to support our families, and go on and become whole again. >> you have a 9-year-old. how is this affecting your family? >> ko parenting with a 9-year-old, it's very difficult for my son, who's in fourth grade and his fourth grade class talked about this, for him to come home, i don't need my extra milk at lunch, a 55 cent milk. i was like, son, it will be okay, don't worry about it. i will take care of it. i hope i didn't lie to my son, telling him everything is going to be okay. i'm really uncertain. you have to keep that face on to
make sure you don't put him in panic. >> explain how much on the edge you are today. i had read in the notes you gave to our producers you feel you can stretch your money to wednesday or thursday. that's tomorrow. what happens if you don't get a paycheck on friday? >> if i don't get my paycheck on friday, i will be resorting to asking my mother, my father, friends and family to assist me into getting to work. i'm working without pay right now. working in the washington, d.c. area for gas and parking, and just clothing for dry-cleaning, it becomes a very hassle to getting to work and not having a paycheck. >> let's talk about that. you have to drive everyday to
work many miles. you pay $25 in parking a day. you've already adjusted your life. you're basically staying on a friend's sofa because you can't afford to make the drive? >> that is correct. i live in baltimore, but i'm staying down at actually my cousin's house on a sofa so i won't have to make that long commute and burn gas every single day, because that's some money i can save and put some other places. >> because are you having to now currently make the choice between gas and food? >> yes. i make the choice everyday, should i fill my tank up? actually, i haven't had a full tank of gas since probably the shutdown, i'm putting in only what i need, to make sure that i can have food, and give my son his 55 cent milk everyday, his extra milk he likes, make sure he has that and other things, medicines and such things. >> you're a pretrial services officer, meaning you're in a courtroom dealing with
defendants everyday, that's why you have a high dry-cleaning bill, you need to present in a certain way. how is this impacting the role that you play in the courtroom? how is this affecting you and your fellow co-workers of what you do everyday? >> definitely, the morale is starting to drop. we have a great local president, president tyler, he tells us everyday to stay strong, motivate each other and check on each other because we never know what someone else is going through. having those extra bills as far as dry-cleaning and things, it does come up. you have to pick and choose, what will i put in the dry cleaner and maybe read the tag a little bit more to see how you can finesse and clean this garment without taking it to the dry cleaners. some things have ruined already so i won't take that gamble too much more. >> understand. what do you want to say to president trump and to
lawmakers? >> to president trump and lawmakers, i'm asking that you do not hold the federal government paychecks hostage. we -- this is not our fight. we did not ask for this, this is something i did not ask for. one of my co-workers told me about -- i must have missed furlough math in my many years of getting my education. i never learned furlough math. this right here, if y'all have a course on furlough math, they should have taught us this first. picking and choosing where i'm going to -- what bills i'm going to pay is not good at all. 80 hours a week with a zero paycheck is unheard of. we work -- we make sure we uphold our mission statement for our agencies and we do a good job as federal government workers and we would like to get paid for that good job that we do. >> i think furloughed math just involved subtraction and ends with a zero, sadly, for all of
you guys. francis nichols, thank you very much. we appreciate hearing about your struggle and your family's struggle and obviously will check back with you before friday. >> thank you. >> a good point. furlough math only includes subtraction in this case. >> for sure. >> emollimnets, the president's nominee for attorney general says he doesn't know what they are.
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it's a fancy word for a simple concept, emoluments. what are they? president trump, is he violating the law that surrounds emoluments. finally, somebody will explain emolument. >> we will demystify everything. emoluments, hard to say and harder to explain. the founding fathers thought it was important enough to put in part of the constitution. no president or officer can accept emoluments from any foreign government. if that has you scratching your
head saying -- >> i can't tell you what emoluments applies to or what it says. >> that's william barr. that's a big deal. there are three lawsuits accusing president trump of accepting emoluments. the historic hotel and high priced clientele. for example, the saudi backed lobbying firm that reserved 500 rooms at the inauguration to the tune of -- and this applies to the president not divesting himself of business deals past, present and future. moscow comes to mind.
th the founding fathers were trying to stop officials from taking money. when one got a medallion, congress told hem to send it back and then a tusk, told to send it back. and some tried to stop president obama from accepting the nobel peace prize calling it an e-moll you meant. e-mollment. the watchdogs are only getting louder. the director of the gsa who leases the building to trump just did so after the election. the lease itself specifically says elected officials need not apply. trump's lawyers say that's moot
because he signed it before he was elected. the lawsuit is presently on hold because of the government shutdown. that's right. trump's shutdown has frozen trump's lawsuit. the clock tower in trump's hotel is technically a national park, supposed to be closed like the rest of them. but it's not. three park rangers are still on the job while some 800,000 other non-essential federal employees are about to go without their second paycheck. somehow the trump administration found the money to pay these guys and now there are calls for an investigation. say it loud, emoluments, a word you and ag bill barr will be hearing a lot more of in the coming months. >> say it loud, say it proud, emoluments. another thing i note, elephant tusks don't charge rent to foreign countries what the hotel down there does. >> among the many differences between hotels and elephant tusks but i like your reference
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that's how long washington post journalist spent in prison for a crime he didn't commit. three years after his release, he's opening up about his life in captivity. his new memoir "prisoner" hit the book shelves today. jason rezaian joins me now. thanks for being with us. congratulations on the book. we knew about what you went through, but so much more detail and so many new things here. i want to start, if you can, at the beginning here. that's where you started the book, when you were first arrested. you and your wife were headed out the door and for face to face with a man with a gun and a
warrant. you think this can't be that big of a deal, but it is. >> exactly. we were very quickly hauled off to a prison, one of the most notorious prisons in the world, blindfolded, taken into an interrogation room, separated. next thing you know i'm being hurled with accusations of crimes that i have supposedly committed against the iranian government, spying for the u.s. their main evidence was a kickstarter project. i tried to implement it and failed several years before. >> since you brought that up, the kickstarter project was about avocados. >> yeah. i took a crack at a tongue in cheek plan to bring avocados to iran. >> there's no guacamole there. >> i'm a big fan. why aren't there avocados in this country where you can grow almost anything. next thing you know i'm
answering questions about this to the interrogators who think it's a subversive plot to overthrow the regime. >> because you want ed guacamol they think you must be a spy. >> apparently. >> one of the things you write is the interrogators say the odds are you will spend the rest of your life as our guest. you will never get out of here, so tell us everything. you say, there is nothing to tell. i'm a journalist. you have made a mistake. this is all wrong. i'm just a journalist. they reply just a journalist has no value to me. >> that should have been the first indication to me that i was being held for larger purposes beyond my work. it took many months to figure out i was kept as leverage in the ongoing interactions between the u.s. and iran for some later concessions. i couldn't see that while i was in prison. but that became clear with the growing chorus around my
detainment and my release. >> for anyone in solitary, cut off to the world they kept telling you no one knew or cared about you. >> yeah. it was probably two months into it that i first realized, wow, that's not true. i'm hearing my name from other guards in the prison. they are talking about what's being said about me on the state television. then as time went on and i was able to have intermittent visits with my wife and mother they were able to tell me about the many things going on in washington, in new york and around the world with friends in media, friends at t s at "the washington post," the my colleagues there, never letting my name go silent. anthony bourdain became my most staunch advocate and my big brother who never gave up. >> we talked to him so many times while you were in capti captivi captivity.
he wasn't going to let the world or this country forget you were there. early on in the book you note both you and your wife were taken by the guards. there is a moment she's brought into the room and if i read it correctly she said what's going on, they tell me you're a spy, are you a spy? >> i think she was trying to tip me off to what they were saying to her in the interrogation rooms. we had no secrets between us in our life. we still don't. but when you are thrust into that sort of moment of so much confusion, your life has been turned upside down, you don't know what to believe. >> what was the low moment? >> i think there were several lows. if you look at solitary confinement, i spent 49 nights, seven weeks in a tiny little cell. the lights were on 24 hours a day. nowhere to run. nowhere to hide. just a lot of walls around you. that's a low in my life.
as the time went on and the situation was prolonged and seemed interminable, after the nuclear deal was struck in july of 2015 and i was still in prison i thought to myself, i may never get out of here. little did i know at that point secret negotiations for the release of me and other americans had been going on for months. >> what did you learn about yourself? >> you can survive. you have to have the right disposition and you have to put yourself in a state of mind where you are working on your own behalf. don't put up blocks for yourself or make new challenges. so every single day i spent in the prison, i looked for something to laugh at. i hope that comes through. >> what did you laugh at? >> my interrogators, guards. i had a cell mate for a while. we didn't share a common language. we made a lot of verbal miscues with one another. you have to laugh. >> when you finally were
released, one of the things you did was hug one of your interrogators. >> you know, i write in the book whether you like it or not with so much prolonged interaction with a single individual you form a human relationship. i'm never going to apologize for that. did i like this guy? no. did he wrong me and my family and probably many other people after me? undoubtedly. would i like to punch this guy in the nose? more than anything. but at the end of the day we went through this crazy experience together and it seemed like the appropriate thing to do. >> not like you're texting him at that point. >> no. >> do you have any contact? >> i get harassed by the iranian regime on social media. they send e-mails to my account. i assume some of them were involved in my arrest. i choose not to respond.
>> occasionally democrats say the president is holding people hostage with the shutdown. you see the word hostage tossed around in common conversation. i understand what people are getting at, but you were a hostage for 544 days. >> don't use that term, politicians, please. i was a hostage. i know other former hostages. it is not something to be taken lightly. respect the term. >> jason rezaian, the book is "prisoner" and it is a terrific read. thank you very much for writing it and being part of the cnn family. we're lucky you are here. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, jason. we are following a lot of news this morning. can there be any progress to the longest shutdown in u.s. history? "new day" continues now. it is very important that we are making this offer saying, come on, let's negotiate a solution. >> democrats made clear they are
opposed to mcconnell's side. this gets democrats to the table. >> let's re-open the government. mitch, do your job. >> i blame the entire leadership. you have to take responsibility. >> giuliani throws so much b.s. out there, nobody knows what to believe. >> he sounds like a crazy uncle admitting things the white house have steadfastly, absolutely denied. >> michael cohen was trying to get a deal done. i don't think anybody took it seriously. >> announcer: this is "new day." >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. tuesday, january 22, 8:00 in the east. today, the senate is expected to take up president trump's proposal to end the longest government shutdown in u.s. history which is now in day 32. the proposal is called a nonstarter by democrats. it is doubtful it will get 60 votes it needs to advance because republicans snuck in other conditions the democrats do not want. as lawmakers remain at an impasse, the impact of the shutdown continues to be felt by
real people across the country. >> also this morning a new and, frankly, bizarre interview from president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani to "the new yorker." it appears the mayor is denying the president had discussions about building a trump tower in moscow all the way through the election after telling several news outlets including cnn that he did. this interview is filled with hedges, reversals and internal contradictions. it's hard to know what the former mayor is saying. >> joining us now, cnn politics reporter and editor at large chris cilissa and in a moment we are told jeffrey toobin will be joining us. he's a former federal prosecutor. he comes when he's ready. he just breezes in whenever he's ready. you're ready? >> i am. >> nice to see you. >> rudy giuliani has been all over the map. we have effectively illustrated
this morning we have in the space of one interview, he'll say he's seen tapes and hasn't seen tapes, the president did know about the moscow tower, negotiated about it up until the election and no, that's not true. rudy giuliani is -- what's his purpose at this point? >> it is a little mysterious. i think silence might be golden for him at this point. the main point about what's different now is donald trump has submitted sworn answers including on this subject about his relationship with russia before the election. i have to believe his lawyers beat him up into telling the truth, that the negotiations were going on throughout 2016 and that means trump lied throughout the campaign about his relationship with russia. so giuliani is now dealing with the problem of acknowledging that the president lied throughout the campaign without
acknowledging that, which is why he keeps getting tied up in knots. trying to square those things that just don't match. >> you see a little bit of the same thing here. you say the president's real lawyers in this case -- not his p.r. lawyers -- must have just gotten really upset about what rudy giuliani was saying in public. >> it seemed last night before "the new yorker" interview that's what happened. that mr. and mrs. raskin and emmett flood, we have seen reports from maggie haberman and others, "new york times" and other outlets people around the white house and his team preparing for the mueller investigation and the reporter getting frustrated with rudy giuliani. i wonder why. i think reading "the new yorker" piece at the crack of dawn this morning, i have come around that he did a walk-back because they are upset about what he revealed on the sunday shows. he did his