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everyone from breitbart to drudge, there's a lot of anger at the president coming from the right. and that's going to continue all weekend long. and that's going to be a big problem for the president, wolf. >> 11:00 a.m. eastern sunday morning. "reliable sources." we'll all be watching. thank you very much. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, the president caves, ending the 35-day shutdown with a deal that has no money for the wall. >> plus, more breaking news. roger stone indicted. the special counsel making the most direct link yet between the trump campaign and wikileaks' stolen e-mails, and stone and trump, a relationship that goes back for decades. will trump's loyal friend lead to his downfall? let's go "outfront." >> and good evening. i'm erin burnett, "outfront" tonight, no wall, just a cave. the breaking news, president trump getting ready to sign a bill reopening the government. and the house has just passed the bill.
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so now it can go to the president. for him to sign it. a bill to begin paying the 800,000 workers who for 35 days have gotten nothing. no money. and that is also exactly what the president has now gotten for his wall, nothing. no money. >> i am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. in a short while, i will sign a bill to open our government for three weeks until february 15th. i will make sure that all employees receive their back pay very quickly or as soon as possible. it will happen fast. >> so president trump is temporarily reopening the government so he and democrats can discuss border security funding. which is exactly what nancy pelosi and the democrats have been demanding since the shutdown began. >> let's have that discussion after we open up government.
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and then let us get to work. >> we passed a bill so that we could open government up for three weeks in order to start to negotiate border security. >> let's put the people back to work. and then let's sit down and talk. >> shutdown is not policy, but we can't have that debate while the government is shut down. >> okay. i mean, like, on every detail, right? democrats got exactly what they wanted. they're getting it reopened for three weeks to talk about this. and the president, who had promised to keep the government closed until he got his wall money didn't get a dollar. listen to him, his words. >> i can tell you it's not going to be open until we have a wall, a fence, whatever they would like to call it. i'll call it whatever they want. >> okay. not only that. this word cave. the president repeatedly tweeted he wasn't going to cave. it is his word, not mine. we will not cave. no cave. president's supporters do not want him to cave. i won't. until he did. and the right wing of his own party tonight are not beating
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around the bush. they're mad. look at the sites that trump reads and quotes on his twitter account regularly. drudge, no wall funds. breitbart, no border wall. and the washington examiner, trump blinks. not to mention ann coulter. wait until you see what she said. the president is now saying he'll shut the government down in three weeks if he doesn't get the money by then. >> if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency. >> the executive action route. when it comes to the shutdown, though, it is a very tough threat to take seriously. had the president just gave democrats every single thing they wanted for nothing in return. which begs the question, why did
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he cave today? well, there were massive air delays around the country. air traffic controllers were calling in sick because of the shutdown. you were looking at maps like this with hundreds of planes in the air, not enough air traffic controllers to land them. it threatened to bring the country to a halt. some airports, laguardia in new york, had to stop all flights, altogether. it was also the day mueller arrested trump's longtime confidante, roger stone, in the early hours of this morning, charging him in the russia investigation with lying, obstructing justice, and witness tampering. much more on that huge development this hour. i want to begin with kaitlan collins live outside the white house tonight. why did the president cave today? >> well, erin, two things played a factor in president trump's decision to sign this short-term spending bill, which he's expected to do shortly. one is pressure. not just from those air traffic delays you saw there, that white house officials were becoming increasingly worried about, but also people like mitch mcconnell who was telling the white house he wasn't going to be able to hold the line for republicans much longer. they feared some of those
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republicans could jump ship and go with democrats to sign a short-term spending bill because they were so frustrated by this shutdown. the second thing, erin, is really they felt like they were out of options. the president had already given an oval office primetime address. he had visited the border. he shut down the government for 35 days and even canceled the house speaker's trip to afghanistan, yet none of that yielded anything that showed democrats were willing to talk to the president and even edge a little bit on funding his border wall. that's how they felt. the president is expected to sign this short' term spending bill soon, but the white house has called a lid, which means we're not going to see the president sign this short-term spending bill at 24 hours ago, just 24 hours ago, sarah sanders, the press secretary said in a statement, the president would not sign without a large down payment for a border wall, which is not included in this. also, ending the government shutdown that has not yielded the president anything but frustrated lawmakers, stressed out federal employees who weren't getting paid, and worse poll numbers.
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>> thank you very much. i want to go now to gloria borger, our chief political analyst, robbast areno, and joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. gloria, this is not the way a winning negotiation ends. at least it isn't the way it ends if you're president trump. >> no, i sort of miss this. i was looking at the art of the deal and i missed this chapter about the great negotiation that never happened here. this deal that the president got today is one that he could have gotten three weeks ago. this is what the democrats were proposing when they said just reopen the government and then let's talk about negotiating what we want to do on immigration reform. you know, afterwards. and this is what has occurred. the president tried everything. as caitlyn was saying, mitch mcconnell warned him, you're going to start losing your republicans. not only were his personal poll numbers going down, but people inside the white house were panicking there was no way out
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of this. and so this wasn't really a negotiation as much as it was a capitulation, complete by the president. >> i mean, rob, no doubt he knows that. but this goes to the core of how he identifies himself. okay. he just got zero, not only did he not get a dollar. they said no money and we'll open for three weeks temporarily. he even agreed to three weeks. >> this is premature, because three weeks -- >> cableation? >> three weeks from now, we'll be back in the same exact spot, but, but, the president will then have more flexibility and more muscle because, okay, he's seen as the compromiser. he's caved, if you want. he's given them, but he hasn't lost anything yet. he signed the bill in pencil, not in a sharpie, right? >> i don't know. i joked. i don't know what he signed it with. >> in three weeks, it could all be erased. we're all at the 50 yard line again. i think he picked up a first
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down, not given up the ball. in three weeks, the democrats, if they don't come after he said we're going to go big. >> you say he has no intention of shutting down the government again. >> he might. >> he's going to do a national emergency. >> he might shut the government down. if he does, the democrats, if they don't start giving something, if it's still no, no, no, then they're the ones who are going to look bad. >> you're good, my friend. that was good. >> i think that's true. >> i don't think that's true one bit. i think this is an unmitigated disaster for the president and the republican party. a huge win for nancy pelosi. she's graceful enough not to take a victory lap today and refuse to answer questions. >> rert hope she's able to withstand that urge. >> we don't know. >> it better be in the next three weeks. >> it's not tuesday, that's all we know. this is a win for nancy pelosi. he's now going to be signing this bill in a cave, and i still think he will sign it, but i just have thought all afternoon, erin, about what it was like for him to get the applause from his, you know, the toadies on
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his staff, and then go watch tv, which we know he does all day, and see everyone calling it a cave. including some folks on fox news. it's got to be a tough day for the president. >> ann coulter calling him the biggest wimp in american presidential history, gloria. by the way, i mention her because when he was maybe ready to do a deal, she was one of the most influential saying don't do it until you get your wall. okay. well, you know, a lot of loyalty that is. obviously, he didn't get it. >> imagine if you're a senate republican and you voted for that original bill which passed the senate and you were ready to say okay, this is done. then ann coulter tweets and rush limbaugh goes on the radio, and the president pulls out the rug from under you. >> by the way, from under his own vice president, who had put the deal on the table. so go ahead. >> exactly, and you're mad about it. so the question is now, what happens in three weeks? as you're talking about. it is possible they reach an impasse again. i think it's probably more
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likely that both the democrats and the republicans do not want to go through this again. my big question mark is not the people in congress, quite honestly, boss they already figured out a deal. it's the president of the united states. if he keeps getting this kind of criticism from the right, i don't know what he's going to do. if he still insists on a wall, i don't see where they go. >> i mean, rob, what does he do? >> that's saying that nancy pelosi and the democrats are not willing to give. >> they're not. >> steny hoyer said something very recently. you had democrats say, look, we're not opposed to a wall. we don't think it's immoral. so they're starting to say okay, we're willing to move a little bit. the first step was their nonnegotiable was you have to open the government and then we have a state of the union. okay, government is going to open. state of the union will give him an opportunity to speak directly to the people, make his case, and in three weeks, if the democrats say still no wall, then they're going to look
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obstinant and that will turn the tables. >> he had his chance. he spoke directly to the people. >> i don't think he did a good job. >> a terrible job. >> we have never seen a shutdown this long, and the president reopened the government 100% on the terms of the people on the other side of the table. >> didn't give up anything. >> his credibility. >> he got three more weeks to negotiate. in that time, if he gets a wall in three weeks, who is going to care? >> he's not going to get a wall. >> something, otherwise, then he should shut it down. >> not $5.7 billion. i don't see how you spin this. he himself would say that person was a loser as a negotiator. >> a big loser. >> he would, right? you can't deny that. >> he's been a big loser. he wanted $5.7 billion for border security. there are ways for both sides to call this a win. a border security win. >> that's what they'll work on. >> i hope that's what they work on. right now, it's a loss for him. he's going to have to compromise. >> i think what you're saying,
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joan, is this is going to come down to a matter of semantics. it won't be a wall. it will be border security. and everybody can see through that. either -- or not see through it if it's a wall. if it's a wall, it's a wall. if it's border security, if it's more immigration judges, if it's more security at ports of entry and all that kind of good stuff that everybody agrees on, that's great. and it could be $5.7 billion, but if it's not a wall, it's not a wall. and somebody is going to have to say that, because semantics is semantics. concrete is concrete. slats are slats. >> we have slats. >> trying to say slats and see-through counts as a wall. >> i agree. there's got to be a physical barrier of some sort, money in there for that. >> for trump. >> for him to move forward. otherwise, he does lose. i don't think he's lost yet because the game isn't over. it's a three-week extension. >> curious to see how much is semantics when he said you can call it peaches if you want. there's a limit, in all
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seriousness, to what you can get away with that accomplishes what he wants. his promise was very clear, and it was a wall. next, breaking news. roger stone arrested. robert mueller's indictment now making the clearest link yet between trump's campaign and russian-linked wikileaks. so what is the president saying tonight? he was asked. >> plus, roger stone making it clear as of now he's not going to turn on the president. >> i have made it clear i will not testify against the president. >> will that change? and where does that come from? we'll show you the decades-long relationship. >> and what about the 800,000 worker whose have been affected by the longest shutdown in history? we'll talk to one of them, a father of four in north carolina. why he's not breathing a sigh of relief tonight. ♪
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>> and there was roger stone. at the courthouse then, stone was defiant. stepping out before cameras after his court appearance. he threw up a pair of peace signs in the air, nixon style. remember, he has nixon tattoo on his back. but the crowd was chanting "lock him up." now in the 24-page indictment, okay, we got it here, which details stone's lies to congress about his efforts to get dirt on hillary clinton from the russian-linked wikileaks and his efforts to get another witness to lie, too, team mueller writes, quote, after the july 22nd, 2016, release of stolen dnc, that's democratic national committee e-mails, by wikileaks, a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information organization one, wikileaks, had regarding the clinton campaign. this is crucial because it's unclear who the senior trump campaign official is who reached out to stone. and the most important words
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here are that senior trump campaign official was directed. okay. so you're scratching your head. so am i. who is more senior than a senior official on a campaign? was it trump himself? mueller does not say. evan perez is out front. that paragraph is key. just how important could it be in mueller's indictment? >> look, i think that paragraph is everything. right? it's the paragraph that could possibly answer all of the questions that robert mueller was appointed to answer. and certainly, the questions we have all been asking in the two years this has been going on. what is interesting is we don't know, again, as you pointed out, we don't know who that senior campaign official is. the only senior official in the campaign that we know that he was in touch with, that has been identified so far, is steve bannon, because we have seen an e-mail in which the two of them are communicating, but he doesn't come into the picture until much later in the
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campaign. at this point, paul manafort is running the campaign. certainly today, we spent a lot of the day trying to call these people to see if they believe they're the senior campaign official. they all say no, not us. so the question is, does robert mueller know? we believe he does. and what does he do with that information? does that become a key part of this report that he is going to provide to the attorney general, bill barr, whenever bill barr takes office? or is this something that is, say, for perhaps more court indictments or court filings at a later date. we don't know, but again, erin, i think that paragraph is definitely key into us understanding whatever happened in 2016. and whether or not there was any coordination, illegal coordination between the trump campaign and wikileaks and russia. >> obviously a very important development tonight. evan, thank you. i want to go to the former cia chief of russia operations, phil mudd, and former
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counterterrorism official and former u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york city, harry sandic. when you read through this indictment, you're not mincing words. you see the most corrupt campaign. worse than watergate. >> i think what you have to step back is there's one piece missing from the document. aside from the big question of whether anybody solicited information from wikileaks or from the russians, we don't get that. you have named individuals, presumably named to russia, not in the document, senior campaign officials who presumably have been interviewed by mueller. did they tell the truth about directing stone to do this in those interviews? if they didn't, are we going to get more lying to federal officials charges? every single person so far, cohen, manafort, flynn, every single person has lied so far. are the officials named in that as official 1 and 2, et cetera? are they also going to be charged later because they didn't come clean about this. finally, if they did come clean. you know what they admitted?
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they admitted to asking a foreign entity about stolen information to interfere in an american election. we seem to be ignoring that. >> that obviously is at the heart of the whole thing. you have lying and obstructing, and then you have collusion or obviously the crucial legal term, conspiracy. steve, stone knew. roger stone, right, knows he's dealing with julian aassange, te founder of wikileaks. mueller lays that out clearly. the dnc publicly announced the hack into the dnc was done by russia in june of 2016. you know russia was behind it. then, the information stolen from -- by russia from the dnc is then released by wikileaks starting in july. so anybody can put those things together. roger stone then is working with contacts tied to wikileaks and julian assange, all the way through the fall. but today, he says the indictment does not add up to collusion or conspiracy. here he is. >> after a two-year inquisition,
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the charges today relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign. >> can stone actually say he has no idea, had no idea he was working with russia when he was doing all of this to get the stolen e-mails from wikileaks? >> erin, if he says that, he's probably the only person on the planet who hasn't figured it out or refuses to admit it. look, if you take a look at these two entities, let's start with wikileaks. julian assange and wikileaks are undoubtedly connected to the russian intelligence services. you had a member of the kremlin basically working for rt, which is their propaganda outlet, approach julian assange of wikileaks in 2013 to offer him a renewal of his contract with rt. so he's working with the russians. that's the guy and wikileaks were the guys roger stone was involved with. gusfer 2.0, another guy we have
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become familiar with, the intelligence community has now determined guccifer was a gru operation, part of the information operation that was conducted here in this country in 2016 into the lead-up to the election. so there's really little to no doubt, no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that he was connected with the russians. >> harry, months after russia is directly linked to wikileaks. months after that was publicly known, and months after mueller, you know, says in the indictment that somebody directed a senior campaign official to tell stone to go back to wikileaks, right, so months after these things happen, we hear things like this from donald trump. >> this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you gotta read it. >> we have learned so much from wikileaks. >> boy, i love reading those wikileaks. >> is mueller getting closer to
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trump? >> he's absolutely getting closer to trump. i mean, he's a little bit coy or teasing in the way that paragraph that evan read a few minutes ago is written, in the passive voice. >> someone directs a senior campaign official. >> it's a mystery for us to try to figure out or stay tuned until the next indictment. if there is one. but it's definitely closer to trump. in part because of that and also because stone is someone who has had a long association with trump. and just the mere fact that it's someone who is this close to trump is being charged with a crime. trump is obviously a little bit nervous about it. he praised stone for hanging tough, essentially, last month in a tweet. that was unusual. >> right, and of course, you point out they have known each other for decades. manafort and trump may have known of each other but were not related until the campaign when tom barrack introduced them formally, but very different with roger stone. this is a long, long relationship. and roger stone's arrested this morning under the cover of darkness. we heard the pounding on the door, fbi. six trump associates have now
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been charged and the former head of the cia this morning, john brennan, says there's more to come. here he is. >> i expect there to be a significant number and a significant number of names that are going to be known to the average american. i think the shoes yet to drop are the ones to be the most profound and that will hit the people at the top of the organization. >> you know john brennan well. he doesn't speak lightly. obviously, we know his views of this president, but he doesn't speak lightly on something like this. what do you think? is he right? >> maybe, i'm not as confident as john. i think there are three pieces we need to see, two small and one really big one. the small, may, as i mentioned, did anyone else here lie among the people questioned by the fbi. my guess is they did and that means further indictments. the other thing i would ask, some of this is the southern district of new york. what about financial charges related to tax evashz in new york. that's what got manafort. we're not hearing anything out of new york or very little.
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the biggest story is bob barr. eventually, the unnamed people in here if they're indicted are going to go in a major report barr gets that's going to pull together what looks like a conspiracy and he has to make a choice. how much of this does congress get. i think that's the big story. >> steve, what is your take on whether we're going to see the most profound names, names that are quite familiar to the average american? >> i would have to agree with my former boss on this. i think that there probably are going to be names out there that we are very familiar with, and i think that's what mueller is moving towards. i worked in a very compartmented, very tight organization inside of the cia. and mueller's operation is so tight, it's really tough to see where it's going. we'll just have to see, but i think john is on to something. >> thank you all very much. next, more on the breaking news. now the white house is trying to spin the way out of mueller's new indictment.
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tonight, the white house refusing to directly answer whether the president of the united states directed a senior campaign official to contact roger stone about wikileaks dumps that could damage hillary clinton. >> you will not answer whether it was the president who directed a senior trump campaign official to contact roger stone, and you may not know.
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you may not know. >> i actually have answered the question several times. you just don't like my answer. >> no, no. did the president know or not? was it the president who made that direction or not? >> once again, i haven't read this document. i'm not an attorney. i'm not going to be able to get into to weeds on those specifics. what i can tell you are the charges brought against mr. stone have nothing to do with the president, have nothing to do with the white house. >> out front tonight, democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. plett me ask you, the roger stone indictment, what they're referring to is this crucial line. perhaps the most important line in the 24 pages. after the july 22nd, 2016, release of stolen democratic national committee e-mails by wikileaks, a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information wikileaks had regarding the clinton campaign. right? so you're talking about wikileaks linked to russian intelligence, and you have
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somebody directing a senior campaign official to go talk to stone. so that's someone who is senior to a senior campaign official. so who do you think that was? >> in my view, and probably in robert mueller's view, that person directing the senior official had to be donald trump. or possibly donald trump jr. remember, this campaign was very small. and it was run very hands-on by donald trump himself. so there are a plethora of facts, including some of what donald trump jr. said about wanting dirt on hillary clinton, about knowing in advance about the release of documents by wikileaks. those stolen e-mails that indicate that it was either him or his father donald trump. >> of course, as i played a few moments ago, donald trump months after the stuff had started to be leaked, months after it was known that it was russia, months
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after wikileaks is the source of the leaks, months after you know wikileaks and russia are linked together, the president is talking again and again and again. i played four times he's talking about how much he likes wikileaks and you have to look at what they're putting out there. he didn't not know to name, didn't not know who was putting it out there. that's clear. but if what you're surmising which many are wondering if it's true, if it's the president of the united states who directed a senior campaign official to tell stone to go to wikileaks, what does that mean? what are we talking about if that's what that line ends up meaning? >> what that line means is the president knew in advance those e-mails were stolen by the russians. and he knew in advance that they were going to be released by wikileaks. and, maybe most important, robert mueller can prove it. remember, what's not said in this indictment, even though it is stunning in its detail, and its abundant fact, is what it doesn't say. that senior adviser isn't named. and the person directing the
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senior adviser isn't named. but not because robert mueller doesn't know or have evidence of who it is. and so stay tuned. there are other indictments to come. and the president of the united states is one step, maybe just a baby step, away from criminal charges. >> okay, so let me be clear. other indictments are coming, you believe that mueller wouldn't have written it this way if he didn't know both who directed the senior campaign official and the senior official. he knows who both of those individuals are, and the president then is a step away from criminal charges. i would imagine you're saying a step away is a step much closer after these 24 pages we saw today? >> much closer after these 24 pages, and possibly much closer after a member of his family is criminally charged. remember that the indictments of both michael cohen and roger stone involve lying to congress. who else potentially has lied to congress? donald trump jr. i know, because i was in the
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room when he came before the judiciary committee to be interviewed. and he made statements there that raised serious questions about his truthfulness. he should come back to the judiciary committee. i have asked the chairman lindsey graham to call him back. if necessary, subpoena him, but he has a lot of exposure here. >> one thing that, you know, stone's lawyer points out to cnn is they found no russian collusion or they would have charged him with it. that's the quote from his lawyer. do you agree? they would have charged if they had it? >> having been a prosecutor, i know well the charges don't always include everything that possibly could be charged. number one, not everything that could be charged can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. number two, a prosecutor may not want to telegraph all of the charges, but remember in this indictment, there are the fundamental building blocks of a charge of criminal conspiracy.
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collusion is not a legal term, but criminal conspiracy can be proved by the evidence that i believe would support this indictment. >> all right. thank you very much, senator blumenthal. i appreciate it. >> thank you. next, the white house trying to distance itself from roger stone, but it's really impossible to do because stone and trump are close. they have a history that goes back decades. >> i am one of his oldest friends. i am a fervent supporter of the president. >> plus, president trump getting hit hard by the very same conservatives who said to shut down the government. is his base turning or not? ing) every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ ) so, every day, we put our latest technology and vast expertise to work. ( ♪ ) the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, affordably and on-time. (ringing)
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tonight, roger stone insisting he will not turn on president trump after being indicted by the special counsel, robert mueller. >> i have made it clear i will not testify against the president. >> how strong is your allegiance to president trump? >> i'm one of his oldest friends. i am a fervent supporter of the president. i think he's doing a great job of making america great again. >> and the trump/stone relationship does go back four decades. tom foreman is out front. >> this has nothing to do with the president. and certainly nothing to do with the white house. >> but roger stone has the plenty to do with donald trump sincethy met in the '70s.
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lobbying for his casinos. they share personal history too. >> i was at both of his parents' funerals. >> time and again, stone has pushed trump's political ambitions. >> roger always wanted me to run for president. and over the years, every time a presidential race came up, he always wanted me to run. >> i was like a jockey looking for a horse. you can't win the race if you don't have a horse. >> the polls are saying it. >> their partnership has been at times a rough ride. the two had to pay fined related to casino lobbying. trump once told the new yorker roger is a stone cold loser. he always tries taking credit for things he never did. even after stone was all in on trump's 2016 campaign, advising the candidate, raiding money, stone was fired or he quit depending on whom you believe. still -- >> i'm a loyal supporter of donald trump. i believe he can be a transformational president. >> trump prizes loyalty and stone's loyalty is unwavering.
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he even has a tattoo on his back of richard nixon, whom he once worked for. so for trump, stone soon became a rager voice against the russia investigation. >> a fairy tale, a falsehood, a steaming pile of bs. >> the quick defender for any decision no matter how controversial. >> the president made the right decision. mr. comey had become unaccountable. >> an attack dog to go after trump's enemies and an ally to ridicule his critics. >> oh, my god. i'm busted drinking russian vodka. mueller, arrest me. libtards. >> and most of all, stone has been a man who steadfastly says what trump needs said most. >> i am aware of no evidence whatsoever of collusion by the russian state or anyone in the trump campaign. or anyone associated with donald trump. >> depending on how this investigation plays out, that is exactly what donald trump needs
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roger stone to keep saying, although if the past is any indication, you can count on members of team trump to pretty soon start saying roger who? erin. >> all right. thank you very much, tom foreman. i want to go now to the chief investigative correspondent for yahoo news, michaeli isikoff wh has covered so much of this investigation and stone. now, you know, michael, do you believe roger stone was doing everything mueller claims in this indictment without the knowledge of his longtime friend, donald trump? >> you know, it is kind of hard to imagine given that they were so close for so long. and they stayed in touch. i mean, through all of the ups and downs of the relationship and getting fired from the campaign. stone stayed in touch with trump, continued to communicate with him. you know, it's interesting. you spent a lot of time on who the senior campaign official was. at the time, the campaign chairman was paul manafort,
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roger stone's old business partner. so you know, there is a web of relationships that go back many, many years here. >> and you know, it's interesting because for a long time, right, manafort was saying he wouldn't turn. now he's cooperating. the point is, sometimes people say that they will never turn, a la, michael cohen, and then they do. stone is defiant he will not turn on trump. do you think that he'll stay that firm? >> probably. i don't see roger stone flipping. it is so much a part of his persona, of his identity, as the defiant guy. he doesn't seem to be somebody who is going to be susceptible to flipping. so we'll wait and see. you know, he could face some serious prison time here, but i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for roger stone to flip. >> right. i guess he could count on a pardon if the president is able to give one.
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so we can all keep advancing. brain breaking news. a trump adviser telling jim acosta that what happened with the shutdown was humiliating. trump himself in damage control mode tweeting, i wish people would read or listen to my words. this was in no way a concession. i was taking care of millions of people getting hurt by the sh shutdown. out front now, adam kinzinger. i appreciate your time. the president at the end of the day is signing what democrats had offered -- we were playing their sound bites earlier, open the government for three weeks and we will negotiate with no wall funding. you heard the senior adviser saying this is a hugh pill amil
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negotiating thing. you wanted to reopen the government. do you think this was a humiliating loss for the president? >> i think we will know more in three weeks. government shutdowns don't work. if you look at the last three, there was the 2013 with the obamacare, the daca issue with schumer and then this one. each time something tries to get something in addition to what already exists, they end up losing. we need, as americans and as legislat legislators, to learn how do this as adults. to take differences, negotiate them out and understand that a negotiation doesn't have to be a win/lose. there can be win/win here or lose/lose. there's a point at which we have to negotiate. my hope is the three weeks here actually can buy us what nancy pelosi called for, legitimate opportunity to negotiate on things like border funding,
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maybe throw daca and stuff in there and get something big done. >> now we're in a situation where obviously, the 35 days, people didn't get paid. you had airports closing today because people were calling out sick. we end up with what she put on the table on day one. it's hard for people to understand what happened. in the rose garden the president said this. >> if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency. >> congressman, do you think he is willing to do that? are we going to get a national emergency and build a wall, executive action? how is this going to happen? >> you know, it's possible. i would need to see the details of what that is.
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i would certainly prefer it not go this way. i support building the wall, border security and barriers. my hope is over the next three weeks, again -- the problem is, one thing i think is important to notice now is people that think the federal government is not important, it's important. we see that in some of the problems that were mounting today when air traffic control airports and stuff -- that was just 20 some percent closed down. we play an important role. being that we play this important role in american lives, it's time for us to glow up and as adults -- i hate when people say have a conversation. it's be willing to negotiate and take something you don't want to get something you do. i guarantee you, once this is done, 80% of the american people will like what the product is. >> i want to ask you before we go, congressman, about roger stone, obviously, robert mueller charges him today. says he was coordinating with campaign officials about the wikileaks stolen e-mail. i want to read you the key line
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in the indictment. after the july release -- 2016 release of stolen dnc e-mail by wikileaks, a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about releasing information and whatever information wikileaks had. senator blumenthal said the -- who is more senior than a senior official? he says it must be donald trump or donald trump junior. do you agree? >> i can't jump to those conclusions. roger stone has always creeped me out. it will be interesting to see how this goes down. i have said the mueller report will be the thing we need to read as people that are going to be on the potential jury if anything moves forward, we have to read that report and take what's in there versus these moment by -- is it concern sng abo? absolutely. i have no indication it's the president. we will see what the final report is. >> i appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> you bet.
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>> serving the people of north carolina. we spoke with rusty today. he is not entirely relieved. >> we're not planning to go back to everything as if business is as usual. we're going to continue to keep things tight, setting aside funds with the expectation that in three weeks shutdown could happen again. >> shutdowns are dumb. "ac 360" starts now. for the first time in more than a month, in two pay periods, 800,000 men and women who serve this country every day will be able to go to bed knowing they will soon have money coming in again. for all you will hear tonight about how bruising a day this was politically for president trump, it's at least a better day now for people like tsa officer ali morganfield was worried he might face eviction. it's a better day for malory