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back to work but definitely not back to normal if it may ever be that again. beginning today, all 800,000 federal workers are returning to their jobs after the partial government shutdown that dragged on for 35 days finally came to an end on friday. the light at the end of this tunnel is quite dim with the short term deal set to run out in less than three weeks which means another government shutdown looms large already. the president telling the wall street journal al in a new interview that she not the optimistic. i think it is less than 50/50. the board he is talking about is a committee of 17 lawmakers, a
bipartisan group tasked with coming up with a long term deal. if not trump says another shutdown is quote certainly an option. that is comforting not in the least. the president also not closing the door on declaring a national emergency on taking an action to get the border wall that he wants. is there support for that? a new cnn poll shows the president's approval rating took a real hit during the shutdown standing at 38%. abby phillips is at the white house for us. what are you hearing from the white house today about all of this? >> good morning. the white house seems to be leaning into the idea that president trump is very much still thinking about using his executive authority to build the wall. in fact, just days after deciding to reopen the government with no wall funding as part of that deal, president trump seems to be talking a lot about his powers to do this without congress even yesterday his acting chief of staff spoke
on the sunday shows and insisted that president trump would do what it takes to build the wall and address the crisis at the border. >> is the president really prepared to shutdown the government again in three weeks? >> yeah. i think he actually is. keep in mind, he is willing to do whatever it takes to secure the border. he does take this very seriously. this is a serious humanitarian and security crisis and as president of the united states he takes the security of the nation as his highest priority. he doesn't want to shut the government down. he doesn't want to declare a national emergency. >> reporter: both the president and white house aides this morning are express aing a lot of pessimism on capitol hill that this will end with the money for the border wall. they are saying they are waiting for the process to play out. i think the president recognizes that his leverage is almost
nonexistent. democrats have control over the house. nancy pelosi has now won major victory over president trump very early in her tenure as speaker. i think the president is expressing some frustration that he is being criticized on the right in particular for his willingness to cave on friday to reopen the government without the border wall funding and with no prospects that he will get the funding from congress. >> and one wonders what the criticism on the right means now for the president because it had a big effect the first time around. thank you so much. we will talk more about this. john kasich is joining us now, former republican governor of ohio. it's great to see you. thank you for being here. >> you're welcome. >> so the president, he is now putting it at less than 50/50 that a deal can be reached to prevent another shutdown. what do you put the chances at? >> i think it is a lot of posturing right now. you have members of congress who will try to work something out.
i think they will try. the question is, are there people in that room who are willing to make compromises? we are not going to shut the government down again. that is not going to happen. the president can't take that. if he doesn't get an agreement he will probably declare some type of national emergency and go to the courts and be fought there. the other likely scenario is that he wants this wall, wall, wall. you will end up with something along the lines of a smart wall. everybody believes the border needs to be protected. i think they will figure out something here. if they don't, he will make some limited executive order and life will go on if i were a federal employee and watching this i wouldn't be laying awake at night. i think there will be a way to keep the government open and move forward. >> i find that really interesting. do you think it is because there was a lesson learned or do you
think because the president suffered a bruising loss? >> when people can't fly into new york, people are backed up, it's a really crazy situation. then it begins to affect lots of people. i think that was the problem. >> so you talk about the 17-member group. it sounds a lot like -- governor, can you hear me? governor? governor, can you hear me? i think we lost the governor for a second. we will try to reconnect and get back with him. coming up for us also ahead is after a big national run, one is
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so let's answer that question to the world and each other right here and right now. america, we are better than this. [ cheers and applause ] >> the gloves are off. the hat's been thrown in the ring and the long journey to november 3, 2020 begins. senator kamala harris launched her campaign over the weekend officially from her hometown of oakland, california before a very big crowd of supporters in front of oakland city hall. as more democracies jump into the race, one more question for you. what about an independent run? the former ceo of starbucks howard schultz is openly considering one. what does that do to the race?
jeff zeleny is in des moines, iowa. you spent so much time in iowa i convinced myself thereat you were from there. but you are a corn husker. des moines, is that where senator harris will be for a town hall tonight. jeff, what are we going to see there tonight? what do caucus goers want to know right now from the senator? >> there is no question that this is a sense here when you talk to iowa voters, there is a hunger for this campaign to begin now. people may say isn't this too early? this is when campaigns normally begin. we saw the big speech yesterday in oakland, california. she will be on the stage behind me here on the campus of drake university tonight. she will be taking questions from iowans. there is a sense here. the overall question is which candidate can take on donald
trump? that is a subtext to every conversation you have with voters, to every discussion you have. is it going to be a senator? is it going to be a governor. she is getting a lot of attention here at this early stage. she will have a lot of company. there are still some uncertainties about this race. will joe biden get in? in terms of the meeting with senator harris, people want to know where the democrats stand on a lot of issues. the big question hanging over all of this is the democratic party moving too far to the left in terms of medicare for all and crime issues, climate change issues. it's the shopping season, if you will. people are looking for candidates. one will be here tonight. >> that's for sure. she told the crowd yesterday we're better than this. she also hit on another theme, truth, over and over again. here is an example. >> in this moment, we must all
speak truth about what is happening. we must seek truth, speak truth and fight for the truth. [ cheers and applause ] so let's speak some truth. shall we? >> when you combine it, we have seen a focus on values and character from presidential candidates before. what does it mean this time around? >> i think it is different because we do have a president if you look at the washington post, there have been thousands and thousands of misstatements and mistruths from this president. he is also a president who is under some scrutiny due to business relationships and things that went on during a campaign with russia. i think for her it works
especially well because of her background as a prosecutor. she is running as the law and order candidate in many ways. that might be a problem for her in a democratic primary. we can already see some people pick apart her record as attorney general. i think it shoeholds a differen weight because she has been an officer of law. i think there is a contrast there. she doesn't have to say donald trump's name when she talks about smee would be somebody seeking the truth and speaking the truth because of donald trump's well known record having a difficult relationship with the truth. >> you can definitely say that. this high profile roll out for harris, in the first 24 hours after her good morning america announcement, she raised $1.5 million. how does a big national rollout play with iowa democrats?
>> look, there is no question that iowa democrats and democratic voters in other early voting states want to see these candidates. again, they want to find someone who can win. this is at the very early stages. history will show you how perilous it is for a candidate to get hot too early, if you will. this is a very long, long race. the most recent example 12 years ago during the beginning of the 2008 campaign when barack obama was announcing. people think he had it easy. he won that nomination. go back and look at the history books. he was not really a favorite in that race until far at the end of that year. hillary clinton was the presumed favorite. so this is a long race filled with obstact courses and other matters. as senator harris will see every day will not be like her rally yesterday in oakland. that was the day that she controls. there will be others in the race
by the end of this week, others could get in like bernie sanders possibly a cory booker. this is a crowded field, a diverse field. most democrats say for now that is a good thing. we'll see how big it is a year from now. >> there is also, then, howard schultz considering an independent run. with that news, the head of the democratic party in washington state put out this message. this quote was pretty jarring. howard schultz running as an independent isn't about bringing people together. it is about one person, howard schultz. what does this wildcard do to the 2020 race? >> it's really hard to know at this point. if you think about somebody like howard schultz a businessman, it is hard to know who he would draw voters from. democrats in 2016 one problem was they weren't able to get enough voters out. they just didn't show up in the numbers they needed in the midwest states like florida, as well. you think about howard schultz he would probably appeal to
chamber of commerce republicans. you had donald trump tweeting this morning that he doesn't have the guts to get in, almost daring him to get in. you have democrats obviously nervous. democrats are always nervous about everything. it is hard to know who this would benefit in a general election depending on who the candidate is for democrats. obviously, the candidate we think will be donald trump. we'll just have to see. >> we will have to see. great to see you guys. on that note, i wunt want to bring in john kasich. >> i was lost in cyber space for a second. i'm back. >> it's the russians. i'm just going to say it. i'm going to play for you what former starbucks ceo howard schultz what he did tell 60 minutes about the potential of an independent run. >> i am seriously thinking of running for president. i will run as a centrist
independent outside of the two party system. we are living at a most fragile time, not only the fact that this president is not qualified to be the president, but the fact that both parties are consistently not doing what's necessary on behalf of the american people and are engaged every single day in revenge politics. >> now, you have said similar things about the parties. what do you think about a schultz independent run? >> it gets to be that big middle ocean. if the democrats go hard left and if you promise everything medicare for all that moves way out here on the edge. and then you have donald trump on the right. the question is there is a middle ocean. voters today are polarized. i'm for the rams or i'm for the
patriots. so we stick with our team. the question is, are people willing to leave the team to vote for somebody who is not affiliated? that is a big question for an independent cand candidacy. if someone like joe biden were the candidate it makes it harder for an independent run. at the last panel when they said it's not really good to be hot as a candidate early, it's good to be hot, hot, hot beginning, middle and end. the day you announce is such a great day. i have been there. you get so excited. you get so thrilled. you have so much momentum. you try to capitalize on it. what you are really trying to do at the end of the day is to capture people's imagination. that's what we have to look for in terms of this presidential election. who can capture the people's
imagination with not just their issues, but the personality they have. can they communicate to people that we get them? that was a reason why schultz was up in the apartment complex yesterday was to say i came from very humble beginnings, i get you. that to me is going to be such a critical message here in 2020. one other thing. when donald trump ran as a kind of a negative populist, he said i get you. his solution was you are a victim. that i don't like. but the idea that you must communicate to people in this country that we understand your struggles, health care, the fact that you are not getting ahead with your income, the fact that your kid can't get a job, that is what people i believe want to hear. we'll see who can articulate that. >> this is something these very questions you have taken on. you have faced as governor of ohio. are you still considering?
>> i said all of my options are on the table. i'm not prepared to make a decision. i just can't tell you what i intend to do. i have not given up or closed the door on anything. we have to see how things develop here. >> one person who is definitely sticking his neck out and making a statement with the howard schultz announcement is chris christie. he said howard schultz is the best news for donald trump that he has gotten in a long time. do you see that statement? do you understand it? >> the only thing you have to consider is they are about ready to roll out 5 g which is technology related to our phones and robots and so many things. we are talking about putting people on the moon. we are talking about exploruation of mars. we are talking about incredible advancements in medicine.
we are talking about so many changes, cars that can drive themselves. this is not yesterday. this is today and tomorrow. where the people are going to be in this country in an unsettling and dramatically changing time is not predictable. do i think that politics could be changed dramatically? absolutely. everything else is changing. why couldn't it change? again, it's about who. who can capture people's imagination and get them excited about the fact that we can have a leader that really gets me. >> it's good to hear from you today. all options remain on the table. thank you. >> thank you. >> really appreciate it. cnn's town hall with kamala harris airing tonight here on cnn. still ahead for us, venezuela is at a breaking point as the growing political crisis with foot shortages. look at the scenes on the ground. one senator says president trump
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screen telling the washington post that he is in talks with the military and civilian officials to try to force president maduro out of office. he is calling on the public to rise up and demand new elections as food shortages and inflation get worse by the day. maduro blames what he calls a u.s.-led coup for all of the turmoil. it has prompted john bolten to warn against any violence or intimidation against american diplomatic personnel. joipi joining me right now is tony blinken. thank you for coming in. what do you think is happening here? do you think the military are going to be able to push maduro out? >> the situation is incredibly fraught. i think we should applaud the administration's leadership on this backed up by senator rubio. they focussed on the fact that maduro is ilegitimate and they
rallied other countries. the question is whether there is a strategy to advance a peaceful transition and a plan b if maduro digs in and lashes out. that is what we haven't seen yet. i hope it is there. >> fraught is really the way it looks from the u.s. perspective. senator lindsey graham said a couple of weeks ago trump mused to him about u.s. military intervention there and to be clear there is no reporting that that is actually on the table but asking lindsey graham what he thought about the idea of military intervention there. what do you think -- do you think it could come to that? >> i hope not. it would be a big mistake. i think we would forfeit the high ground of leadership. it would be difficult because there are probably 700,000 militia who remain alive with
maduro. there would be guerilla war from colombia. there are things we can do, up the economic pressure on maduro and everyone around him. the families of the regime, people profiting from corruption. we can do that. we should be finding ways to engage maduro to make sure he knows there is a way out of the corner. we can be engaging the military to make sure they won't be disband disbanded. we need to globalize the problem to make clear that the international community wants to see a change that respects the democratic wishes of the people. that's going to require real sustained dipplomacy. i think the administration is take ag good start. now we need to see a detailed plan to advance the peaceful transition. >> nick paton walsh has been reporting from venezuela. his reporting is offering up and painting a horrific picture of
the conditions, scrounging for food in trash cans. what is the best case/worst case scenario in how this plays out in the coming week snz. >> i think the worst case is that maduro digs in and starts increasing the already high level of violence against the peaceful democratic opposition. this could turn into a major -- that is the worst case scenario. hopefully the military will stand down. it is really important to get other countries in on this, the russians, chinese are propping up the regime. they can see their basic interests won't disappear if maduro does. >> yet again another moment where international cooperation
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in robert mueller's probe. the chairman of the house intelligence committee wants to know why. long time adviser roger stone indicted on friday for lying to investigators, obstruction of justice among other things. he is the latest in a list of trump associates who have pled guilty or caught red handed about misleading. they include the president's former national security adviser, personal attorney and former campaign chairman. now, many want to know if this is really just a witch-hunt as the president has said and why if it is that, why if it is not that why lie and why also is no one charged with conspiracy to defraud the government. you do have to ask the question over and over again if there are
incent explanations why all the lies? why all the repeated efforts to get russian help? you have this symmetry of interest where donald trump wants help from the russians with his campaign and wants help from the russians to build this lucrative moscow tower and the russians want sanctions relief from donald trump. all of this is going on at the same time. here with me now, they lied to the public, lied to congress, lied to the fbi. the list when you put it together is worth repeating. the president's former campaign chairman, deputy campaign manager, long time personal attorney and foreign policy adviser and roger stone, his long time adviser. in your experience as a federal prosecutor, could this all be just dirty politics the way that
they are conducting themselves. >> are people lying more than others would? >> there is something called consciousness of guilt. if you find that somebody lide you can find it is for a reason. people don't lie for no reason. these are lies that are sort of all over the map. these are fairly concentrated. they all have to do with russia. they all have to do with election assistance, wiki leaks, the hack, the trump org's business, the efforts to build the moscow project and all have to do with sanctions. i think when you look at that it is telling us the story about coordinated efforts. >> steve, with that lingering key question of why, why so much lying and why almost always about the one topic of russia, from your porch of formally running operations for the cia, what do you make of it? >> from a counter intelligence
perspective which really is nothing more than looking at patterns of things that happen and try to figure out the best explanation for them, the why question is really critical. i mean, why do we have all of the lying? what is the narrative behind that? of course, as i was talking about, there is a narrative that explains that. is donald trump and his team somehow being involved with russia and acting in his benefit? there is also some other really weird things that you have to look at that the president has done which don't make any sense but fall into the pattern. recently we saw the whole conversation about the company and the sanctions being lifted. why would that happen? all this behavior has to coalesce. the explanation leads back to russia and not in a good way.
>> let me play you what roger stone just said this morning about the idea of the question of the concept of cooperating with robert mueller. let me play this for you. >> are you willing to cut a deal with mueller? >> i don't answer hypothetical questions. i have no intention of doing so, however. >> it does seem to be the opposite of what he said yesterday when he said if there is i would testify honestly. he went from months of open defiance saying i will never talk to him and attacking and then getting applauded by the president who tweeted he has guts. then he gets hit with an indictment. this is real now. he is 66 years old. he is looking at an indictment that he is not going to get out of. that indictment is air tight.
he is looking at four or five years in prison i think realistically. i think on his own or with good counsel he has been told let's maybe keep this option open. he seemed open to it yesterday morning. this is a bit of a walk back. maybe he didn't like the notion of potentially being seen as a cooperator. i have seen a lot tougher guys than roger stone cooperate. >> it seems like roger stone might be at the beginning steps of a long journey. >> it's great to see you. thank you. coming up for us a possible break from the nation's longest war. the u.s. and the taliban have been in talks reaching an agreement to a framework for potential peace in afghanistan. is this a real step towards peace? is this a real step towards united states leaving afghanistan? what are the implications now
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. a potential breakthrough today in america's longest war. the war in afghanistan which began in the aftermath of 9/11. they confirmed to afghanistan and cnn that the u.s. and taliban have agreed in principle to a peace framework, a sign of a big step forward but still huge challenges ahead. ky kylie atwood has the details. kylie, what do we know? >> we know that the talks last
week with the special representative of afghanistan to the u.s., his talks with afghanistan were in part fruitful because they did come to an agreement of what a possible peace plan could potentially look like. he told the "new york times," quote, we have a draft of the framework that has to be flushed out before it becomes an agreement. the taliban have committed to our satisfaction to do what is necessary that would prevent afghanistan from ever becoming a platform for international terrorist groups or individuals. but there are a lot of questions, of course. how is the taliban going to keep out these international terrorist groups like isis, like al qaeda that we know have deep roots in the country. and we are learning that there are also discussions over a cease fire and pulling out u.s. troops from afghanistan, but the details of that are yet to be determined. >> and a big part of this, a big part of any final deal would be the afghan government.
we've heard from president ghani today after he met with u.s. officials or was briefed from the u.s. team. what is he saying about this? >> well, he said that the talks are part of or an afghan-owned strategy peace for afghanistan. but the u.s. is sitting down with the taliban and the u.s. is sitting down with the afghan government. the three parties are not yet at the table. that's going to be pivotal for establishing a final agreement, especially if the u.s. does pull out their forces and the afghan government is left there to lead. the other factor to consider is that the afghan government knows that the taliban are an extremely fractured group, and they are not sure that everyone who the u.s. is talking to is going to be able to keep a commitment for the afghan -- for the taliban at large just because they're such a large group and have many different leaders across the country. >> also, then, what does this mean for any desire from president trump to get u.s. troops out of afghanistan?
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golf courses fired about a dozen undocumented employees. their lawyer says they were pushed out last week without warning and without severance. mind you, this, then, means that this was all while the government was shut down over the president's fight against illegal immigration. listen to one of the employees who spoke to the "washington post." joining me now to discuss is one of the reporters who broke the story, josh partlow of the "washington post." josh, thank you for being here. here's the thing that struck me as i was reading through this. they aren't just undocumented immigrants working at the president's businesses, these are undocumented immigrants who were working for the president at these golf clubs for years
and up until ten days ago. what more do these fired employees tell you? >> yeah, i think that's true, they've been there for 10, 15 years, many of them. they had a lot of experience at the club and they had done pretty difficult jobs. greenskeeping, housekeeping, working in the restaurant. i think the general feeling among the workers is they feel a little bit betrayed. they were valued employees for many years, and from one day to the next, they got fired with no notice. >> let me read from your piece for a perspective on how enmeshed these workers were in the trump organization. this is just from part of your piece. they had spent years on the staff of donald trump's golf club, winning employee of the month awards and receiving glowing letters of recommendation. some were trusted enough to hold the keys to eric trump's weekend home. they were experienced enough to know that when donald trump ordered chicken wings, they were to serve him two orders on one plate. what do you make of the timing of their firing, then?
if they've worked there for years and had been so enmeshed in the organization? >> yeah, well, what we know is in december the "new york times" published a piece about two undocumented workers at the bed minister -- the trump bedminster golf club in new jersey. after that story came out, some of the workers at bedminster, undocumented workers, were also fired. and then on january 19, a friday, about a dozen workers at the westchester golf course were called into an office and a human resources executive for the trump organization talked to them one by one and basically said, we've done an internal audit of our company. we've discovered the papers that you used to apply for this job were not genuine and, therefore, today will be your last day with the company. >> eric trump gave you all a statement in response in part
saying, we're making a broad effort to identify any employee who was given false and fraudulent documents to unlawfully gain employment. where identified, any individual will be terminated immediately. he added that it is one of the reasons, quote, my father is fighting so hard for immigration reform. the system is broken. have you heard yet from the white house? >> no, we haven't heard any comments or tweets from the white house yet, no. >> did eric trump answer any of your additional questions, though, about the firing or why they were employed there in the first place or why they continued to work there for so long? >> no, he didn't go much beyond the statement. you know what, what we heard from the workers is how this would work because generally through their network of immigrants in new york, they knew that they could get documents in queens and could use those to apply and then were told by the staff that's fine,
and then they never raised it again until this week. >> josh, thank you for coming on. i really appreciate it. joshua partlow from the "washington post." >> thank you. "inside politics" with john king starts now. thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. the shutdown is over. the government getting back to full speed. president trump under fire from immigration hardliners and already predicting he won't like the border deal that congress must now negotiate. plus, is there a plan to end america's longest war? the white house reaches a draft peace framer with the taliban. it looks to slash troop levels in afghanistan. and big 2020 news. starbuck's owner is talking of a