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welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." 6:00 a.m. in new york. the man who oversees the mueller investigation is in the spotlight, literally, figuratively and perspirationally. that's a real word. >> is it? >> not really. >> sending reporters and politics scrambling. the investigation could be close to being completed. he is the most senior person in the know to say so on the record. he says he has been fully briefed on the probe and decisions will be made on this. some questions on this this morning. did he really mean to say this? is he right? if he has been briefed on everything, has he told the white house on everything? what does he mean decisions will be reviewed? that's what members of congress want to know this morning as they present new bipartisan
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legislation requiring the special counsel, the report be made public. we will speak to some of these in the next several hours. and the white house confidante appearing before a federal judge with charges he lied to lawmakers and witness tampering and in coordination between trump and the campaign. >> laura jarrett, senior justice reporter, david gregory. and assistant u.s. attorney, i had all the words but not in the right order, maybe something matt whittaker can appreciate. laura jarrett, i want to play what ne acting attorney general said out loud yesterday that caused so many people to scratch their heads. listen to this. >> i've been fully briefed on the investigation. i look forward to director mueller delivering the final
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report. right now, the investigation is, i think, close to being completed, and i hope we can get the report from director mueller as soon as possible. >> all right. there is a lot there to dissect. did he mean to say it? is he right the investigation is almost over? what does he mean mueller's decisions will be reviewed? >> i have to tell you, john, being in the room when he said it, all the reporters sort of looked at each other, did he just say exactly what we think he said? they never do this. the justice department does not discuss the timing of the mueller investigation when it may or may not wrap as much as we ask everyday. they don't go there. to have the senior most official at doj, the man overseeing the probe, at least formally, the deputy attorney general is still managing it day-to-day, but matt whittaker is the man in charge to what happens to mueller, at least for white now. to have him say it's close to being completed, all our ears
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perked up. no reason to believe this isn't true and says he has been fully briefed. we have no reason to believe we shouldn't take him at his word at this point. and the big question is whether there are any indictments to come. we saw roger stone, trump's long term advisor arrested last friday. the question has been, is the hammer going to drop on anyone else or is there a superseding indictment against stone and right now charged with witness tampering and obstruction of justice and lying to congress, nothing related to hacking of the dnc or wikileaks or anything of a larger conspiracy to the u.s. >> explain how this works. how could the report be close to being completed when we just watched roger stone be arrested friday and his house searched? don't they need weeks to find out what they found in roger stone's house before he is released? >> i have a question. it's a complete amateur move, it
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is something as laura said is absolutely not done for good reason. it is a strategic fumble, tactical give away to say we're almost done, like being in the middle of a poker hand and say, i'm almost done, guys. you will incentivize targets to wait you out. look at the rudy guiliani interview. now, rudy will see this and think, if they're almost done and under time pressure they're not going to subpoena my guy. we're almost done in the courts. i will say no dice. it creates false expectations, this notion of being close to being completed. i can't tell you how many times i have been privately confidentially close to the end of an investigation and never say it out loud, then something new pops up, get a new witness or cooperator and find new evidence maybe as found in the search of stone's home and going in a whole different direction
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and creates a problematic different direction. is there a new witness in the roger stone investigation, andrew miller, we know because the mueller investigation wants him to testify before the grand jury. by definition that has to be something that would be for an additional charge because it can't be for what he is already charged with, by the justice department's own rules. we know the stone investigation isn't over at all. david gregory, we know politically, matt whittaker is close to the president. when he's been fully briefed does it mean whatever he's been told the white house has been told? >> i think so. it's possible to scrutinize him and the hypocrisy of the justice department. when the president dismissed jim comey, the real reason he didn't like the investigation under way into him. they also said jim comey
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violated department of justice procedures by drawing conclusions about hillary clinton and announcing this publicly when they decided not to actually bring charges. yet here is matthew whittaker of the justice department doing something similar, to comment publicly on an ongoing investigation when that is simply not done. the other potentially chilling effect saying we will review what mueller puts before us when we know the ongoing debate is whether the report that is ultimately produced, separate from indictments, whether it ever sees the light of day publicly. that's something the justice department would review, right now, matthew whittaker and ultimately likely be bill barr, presumed to be the incoming a.g., if he's confirmed in the senate. that's the ultimate question what ne justice department does with the information put forward. >> doesn't that stand to reason, laura, robert mueller, after all this work, after all these months he'll wait for an
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attorney general not to be acting anymore, to actually be installed, he'll wait for bill barr and won't release this report to matt whittaker? >> that's honestly been our thought given the timeline here. it's not clear matt whittaker will be around for any report. it could also be the case mueller has investigative or prosecutorial work but the report may come much later and would be a gap in time if barr is confirmed, as gregory mentioned, ultimately what happens to it and whittaker mentioned being reviewed was an artful way of saying mueller will submit a final report to him explaining all the prosecution and deck clination of cases he didn't bring gets reviewed by the justice department, and it came up a little bit jumbled. >> can we account for the fact he may have screwed up and
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doesn't have a lot of experience. we are in a position to interpret something and he may hope it will wrap up soon? >> i don't think so. i asked repeatedly last night, do you want to correct that statement? there was no comment. they had an opportunity to say, you know what, he misspoke. we want to walk this back or soften it in some way. they had no comment and the special counsel's office certainly had no comment. >> he needs to be clear if you diagram the syntax there it's hard to do. if he meant to say it, if he's right, it's almost over, does it mean then -- or what does it mean about the possibility of more charges that would include conspiracy to defraud the government? collusion-like charges. if it's almost done, wouldn't it be hard to have a charge of that
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magnitude done? >> it could be ahead. a lot of interesting things happen in the end game. if you're sitting on a big indictment or major charges, a lot of times you want to make sure you have all the pieces locked in, still negotiating with andrew miller or other witnesses. and nba tied up with five minutes left to play, interesting stuff in the last few minutes. that gets back to the problem of creating this expectation, close to complete. close to complete means one thing to the lay public. to a prosecutor, close to complete, can mean a lot of important things lie ahead. >> roger stone arraigned today. in public, he is saying all sorts of things about how he would never testify against the president, he says, because he has nothing to testify about. people are wondering if that means he's fishing for a pardon. how do you see this playing out? >> once people are indicted, sometimes they change their tune
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on cooperation. we might not have ever guessed paul manafort would be cooperating. obviously, that deal has fallen apart in certain ways with allegations by the special counsel's office he lied. that this is campaign chairman cooperating and michael flynn and very close associates very loyal to the president and essentially flipped. roger stone may be the lone hold-out and may be mueller doesn't have anything he needs from him and may not be looking for a cooperation deal here. i don't think we should necessarily rule out the possibility because things change when someone is facing serious time. >> if he's looking for a pardon, he certainly wasn't ruled out or overruled from the white house press conference yesterday. listen to what sarah sanders said when pressed on this issue. >> has the president ruled out a pardon for roger stone? >> i'm not aware of that. haven't had any conversations
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regarding that matter. can you guarantee the president won't pardon roger stone? >> i will not talk about hypotheticals ridiculous, things i haven't talked about. >> if she hasn't talked to the president she is smart not to because it would put her in a bad position. ultimately, david gregory, if stone is convicted and stone is sentenced to prison time, what does he do? >> i don't think reporters will get very far pressing the press secretary whether he will rule on a pardon. clearly, he's not. you're not going to go talk to the president about that in any case. the reality is what stone represents, as laura says, you can change your tune once indicted if you're feeling that pressure. currently the president would reward that. there is a place where a lot of
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people have lied to investigators and lied to congress and maybe mueller can't prove the underlying coordination or collusion with the russians. certainly the prosecution case and the former cia officer, valer valerie, that will play into the president's hands. >> thank you, david. kamala harris making the case why she is the most qualified, at least in her own mind, to take on president trump. she declared to pass a middle class tax cut as her top priority and laid out a vision of what a harris white house would look like. in des moines, iowa, a recap of a really interesting night. >> it was really interesting listening to her and took the stage. she never said the president's
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name. he was certainly the undercurrent in much of what she said as she offered a sharp contrast and a populist platform. >> would you please respond to this so this man has a response ready the next time a man tries to man-splain why a man would make a better nominee. >> senator kamala harris in her first town hall in iowa explains why she, a biracial woman is electable as president. >> my entire career, people say, it's not your time. nobody has done that before. i haven't listened and suggest nobody listen to that conversation. >> reporter: what she says people should listen to is her presidency. >> how do you stay on your message and not get caught up in his crazy? >> that's good. that's really good. well, first, it's very important anyone who presents themselves
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as a leader and wants to be a leader will speak like a leader. that means speaking with integrity. speaking truth. >> reporter: her populist agenda, harris told the town hall would be a middle class tax cut, she said would be her first work in office and framework for climate change and paying for parental leave from preschool to college and what she called reasonable gun control and medicare for all. >> for people who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it? >> listen, the idea is everyone gets access to medical care. you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, give you the paperwork, let's eliminate all that, move on. >> reporter: harris again pledged not to vote for a southern wall with mexico and spoke about the fear and uncertainty nearly 800,000 young people live with in the trump
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era. >> we should not be trading on your life for the sake of the political gains this president is playing trying to vilify young people like you doing nothing except being productive and believing in and living the american dream. >> reporter: in her consistent criticism in her past as a prosecutor, harris defended her record that she worked to defend the system but did not back down from her past. >> some people believe prosecutors shouldn't exist and i don't think i will ever satisfy them. i will also say there is so much more work to do. do i wish i could have done more? absolutely. >> she may have been speaking at this iowa town hall but certainly an eye to the national audience as well. the rnc was watching sending out an attack on twitter to medicarer for -- medicare for
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senator kamala harris making her pitch to voters at a town hall in iowa last night and says her top priority is tax cuts for the middle class and medicare for all and doing away with private healthcare insurance. >> for people who like their insurance they don't get to keep it? >> the idea is everyone gets access to medical care. you don't have go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval and paperwork and delay that may require. who of us have not had that situation you have to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, i don't know if your insurance will cover this. let's eliminate all of that. let's move on. >> joining us to talk about all of this, john avalon, cnn analyst, and alex, a national political correspondent for the "new york times."
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great to have you all at the table. hot off the press, abc "washington post" poll. kamala harris is basically tied with joe biden. the former vice president and his name recognition, somehow kamala harris has leap-frogged bernie sanders, if you ask democrats, if the primary were today, for whom would you vote? i see your look of consternation. you're furrowing your brow. what are your thoughts on this? >> my resting brow face. you look at a poll like that. this is clearly a race extremely wide open. the two candidates by far the best known, joe biden and bernie sanders are nowhere near the commanding front-runner status you want to have as former two-time vice president or runner-up for the party's nomination last time. when you talk to people who are either eyeing this campaign from the outside or involved in this campaign, already competing with someone like kamala harris,
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there is generally the sense she is not the front-runner or jeb bush on the republican side, but the person who clearly has all the components of a successful campaign if she can put it together the way she's starting to try to do. >> if we can look at those numbers, we're talking within margin of error leads here. by the time, michelle obama, an obama, michelle obama not running. >> who is that person? because other is getting a lot at 12%. >> this is a rollout by kamala harris and before her announcement on sunday. it does tell you there are people there receptive to her message. it tells you she will face tough questions starting now. if she's going to be a front-runner she will face tough questions. i thought her answer on medicare for all was interesting to jake last night. can we play that one more time? >> so for people out there who like their insurance, they don't
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get to keep it? >> well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require, who of us has not had that situation you have to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, i don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this? let's eliminate all of that. let's move on. >> it was kind of a, yeah, i will do private insurance. >> i think a lot of people watching this town hall performance, they were wondering if she was going to stick mostly to vague or talking points that would help her in terms of setting up her progressive platform or whether she would actually get into the details. i think the private insurance answer answered that question for a lot of people though she is going to have dozens of more of these kinds of town halls and will face a lot more questions. the big picture thing i was looking out for yesterday, how
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is she going to do in the face of very specific policy questions because the one thing we know about iowa voters, they like to get into the nitty-gritty. also, when you go into these settings, these are very very unscripted settings, sometimes moments emotions are running high and you can't really prepare for those moments. i think there's something about the retail aspect of this, you can't really judge until you throw a person into that setting. i think that's what we saw last night. >> john, what do you think has allowed her to leapfrog the rest of the pack since that poll was before the town hall and before the big announcement? >> kamala harris showed she is ready for primetime last night. she is smart, engaging, charismatic and provides the clearest contrast to donald trump. if you buy into the theory, presidential elections and successions are about who is the antidote to the other person's negatives, kamala harris, daughter of two immigrants, a d.a., someone who spent a
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lifetime in government can bring together parts of the democratic coalition and provide a clear contrast to donald trump. her contrasts, particularly in medicaid fraud shows how much policy has shifted to the left in the democratic party. >> if obama was running for government takeover healthcare, careful what you wish for. not yet, exactly. with the simplicity argument, we will simplify your life by having government take over all of healthcare. that may play well in the democratic party but a tougher sell for the general electorate. she is clearly as that poll shows she has vaulted herself to the top tier with joe biden right now and it will be interesting to see what other candidates can claw theirselves up to the top tier candidates. >> there was another "washington post" poll i thought was interesting, 57% of adults in this poll -- 56% say they will
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not consider voting for donald trump for president. 56% of the population is saying they will not vote for you, that's a tough hill to climb. >> i was told there would be no math. that definitely not vote for you, when it's well over 50% suggests he has more than an uphill climb. that's wind shear for president trump's re-elect. it's a tough number and shown in other polls. he has done very little to build out his base and you reap what you show. >> you look at his base coming in, he never had a majority coalition in the country. the last president to win the presidency without taking the popular vote george w. bush, a smaller disparity than that and this is needing to broaden your appeal and gain legitimacy in the eyes of voters who didn't vote you and saw this election
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as tainted. he has never tried that and one poll actually less than the 46% he got, electorate available to him on that poll -- >> this is off a government shutdown and who knows what the numbers will be next month. howard schultz, former ceo of starbucks is toying with a run as an independent. people are not always giving the warm reception. here he was, he's on a book tour. here's a moment he's interrupted by a heckler. >> i am seriously considering running for president as a centrist independent. i wanted to clarify the word "independent" i view merely as a destination on the ballot. >> don't help elect trump you egotistical billionaire --
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>> hard to put a point on it. he's getting some pushback, m.j. >> he is. the thing uniting everyone on howard schultz jumping in the race is this idea he will be the spoiler, only end up helping president trump. the fury around that has been so striking. democrats across the board, even someone like bloomberg you could say probably has the best case of any one of the potential candidates to make a successful independent run saying, no, what this does politically is give support to president trump and to break off and divide the anti-trump supporters and the votes, do not do it. i think the point about the fury around what it would do to the trump support and helping trump, i think goes to show democrats will have a lot of ground to
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make. right now, we're hearing a lot of talk about so-and-so making a speech, without even mentioning trump by name, i think that calculation will change at some point. this is the thing that revvs up voters on the democratic base more than anything. >> and shows the democrats moving too far to the left. there are more independents. maybe the wrong time wrong guy for that kind of message. it's just as dangerous for democrats to go too far left. >> put that on a bumper sticker. >> it must be nice to have $3 billion and get this kind of coverage when you're not really ready to answer hard policies what your position will be and hypotheticals. he needs to be held to the same standard as others running for president if he will toy with that. telling cnn he is ready to do what's necessary to see
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momentum. joining us, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. this is a global situation when you think about the country backing guiado and backing maduro. we're talking about the united states backing juan guiado and russia supporting maduro's regime. there is a lot of powers involved and the situation can get more worse not in terms of venezuela but global-wide. so i asked him if he was ready to see conflict, if it happens, just to achieve what he wants, remove maduro from power. are you prepared to seek conflict to achieve the goal of removing the maduro government? >> translator: we are sure we can achieve a peaceful
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transition. a transition and eventually free elections. during this period where we end occupation where maduro has seized executive power, his administration ended january 10th and there was no election that endorses him. we must ex-sort great pressure for a dictator to leave and install transitional government and have free elections. >> it's really interesting -- to offer amnesty to the military, but not only offering amnesty to the military but to nicolas maduro. that means there could be a possibility in the case maduro wants to get rid of some of the charges that he's accused from the opposition, we have to remember that this has been said and it's been started in the international court. we'll see what maduro's next move is.
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the situation definitely gets complicated global-wide. >> fernando, what did guiado say about the support he received from the trump administration? >> he's grateful. at the same time, there seems some sort of coordination. he told me he accepted he spoke to president trump not once but a lot of times, not revealing what they had been talking about. i asked him about a military option, if it was possible to go through that path, and he told me everything was on the table. the same response we get from the white house. we'll see. the next days will be real important in terms of the move from the government and what is going to happen with the money blocked from the state-owned oil company.
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zeleny just hours, roger stone will appear in federal court. this is the acting attorney general, matt whittaker, suggesting robert mueller's special investigation is close to wrapping up. >> right now, the investigation is, i think, close to being completed, and i hope we can get the report from director mueller as soon as possible. >> joining us now is james clapper, former director of national intelligence and cnn national security analyst. thank you so much for being with us. after the roger stone indictments came out last week, everyone noticed there were no charges of conspiracy or collusion there. however, you had a chance to read through this, you say you do see, speaking as someone
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looking at this now, you do see evidence of coordination and collaboration. what do you mean? >> for me, john, what was in the indictment reinforced something i discussed in my book, about the striking parallels and similarities between what the trump campaign was doing and saying and what the russians were doing and saying, particularly their pervasive use of social media, with specific respect to hillary clinton and her health and all that. while the indictment doesn't overtly allege collusion, whatever that is, or even conspiracy, it certainly reinforces the notion of coordination or synchronization or whatever euphemism you want to use. clearly, there was interest from the campaign at senior levels
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about what wikileaks had and wikileaks, through a cutout, received stolen e-mails from the dnc and john podesta. to me, that sort of reminded one of the trump tower meeting in june of '16, in which there was also great interest in quote dirt on hillary clinton. the same interest evinced in the verbiage in the indictment. >> let me read what it says there after the july 20, 2016 release by organizations of e-mails, a senior campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information it had regarding the clinton campaign. are you saying there's legal information and counter intelligence and robert mueller may not have enough to charge on
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a conspiracy, are you saying there is legitimate concern looking backwards and forwards there was a counter-intelligence purpose there an americans should be worried about the connections between the trump campaign and the russians? >> obviously, that was a concern very early on in all of this going back to before i left the government, about the counter-intelligence implications and the russians, as is their want to seek access, seek influence and seek insight, to the extent they could, influence the outcome of the campaign. to that, to me, is senior counter-intelligence. >> do you agree with sarah sanders assertion, did it friday and the briefing yesterday that none of these people charged or convicted, none of these things have anything to do with the president. do you agree with that? >> not really.
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although, one thought that occurred to me when i heard that quote was, well, then, you shouldn't have a problem with the completion of the investigation, since according to that line of thought, the president will be found to be innocent. it's very curious this collection of characters that were close to the president certainly during the campaign and afterwards have all been found guilty of principally lying about the relationship with the russians. >> i want to ask you about venezuela. the united states announcing new sanctions against the maduro regime. there was a picture of the national security advisor, john bolton. he had a yellow notepad, on that notepad, you can take my word for it. 5,000 troops for colombia there, send 5,000 troops to colombia,
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which borders venezuela. do you have concerns or do you think the administration is handling the venezuela issue in the right way. >> well, i think it's the right thing to do to press the maduro regime, who is, i think, by any measure, illegitimate. i do worry about sort of the pickup baseball appearance maybe that's not the case of what we're doing there. and i trust that colombia, if we're considering deploying troops to colombia, that we consulted with them. i'm not sure what those -- you know, any kind of troop deployment like that would do, other than perhaps be there ready to rescue our american citizens. i was a little concerned about the way it was handle with respect to announcing we no longer recognize a maduro government but we will leave our
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diplomats there, which kind of left them, in my view, hanging out, at least in the last administration, one of the things we always seriously considered and gave a great deal of thought to, particularly from a planning perspective, if there was a prospect to our people being at risk, how we might protect them and extract them. it doesn't appear to me there's a whole lot of thought given to that. >> director james clapper, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you for joining us. life threatening cold weather. some will field the most frigid temperatures they have felt in a generation.
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much of the u.s. will plunge into life threat eng temperatures with some parts of the u.s. seeing wind chills 60 below zero. >> that seems like a lot. >> that is a lot. cnn meteorologist, jennifer grey, has the bone chilling forecast. oh, my gosh, jennifer. >> you can't wrap your head around it. not 60 or 30 below freezing, 60 or 30 below zero. we will see conditions where we
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can see frostbite in as little as five minutes. chicago, feels like 15 below zero in chicago. feeling like 24 below zero in indianapolis and 11 below in des moines and this is nothing compared to what we will see tomorrow morning where it will be colder. 30-60 below zero is all this area shaded in purple and does include places like chicago, omaha, minneapolis. it is going to be incredibly cold there. that arctic air will settle in all the way through the middle part of the week. some areas see temperatures dip below zero this morning and not get back above zero until thursday afternoon. chicago feels like temperature 34 below by tonight and tomorrow morning, et will be 46 below, is what it will feel like toll morning. john, this is incredibly dangerous cold all the way through the midwest and northern plains. >> i hope people are paying attention to this and making
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plans to keep themselves protected. stay inside and make sure the power is working and you can be warm. long-time trump confidante, roger stone, is the gift that keeps giving to comics. >> his heels are completely dug in. when asked if he would accept less than $5.7 billion for his wall, trump said, i doubt it. so to be cheer, helear, he's ma exact same offer backed by the exact same threat and somehow he expects different results. you know what they say, the definition of insanity is donald trump. >> this is his exact outfit at the inauguration. the best part of his arrest is we can make fun of his picture. did quentin tarantino havlin
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con? if he wasn't a political consultant he would look like the world's oldest chimney sweep. looks like he got kicked out of the magic castle for vaping. >> roger stone doing his best impersonation of richard nixon. the universal sign for, i'm innocent. >> and roger stone loves it. >> i've never seen him happier than when he came out to the courtroom stares to take on all his hecklers and supporters and applause. quite a moment. >> more jokes he's saying this morning. acting attorney general, matt whittaker says the mueller probe is wrapping up. venhorten . i am a zifan for zicam. oral or nasal.
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i hope we can get the report from mueller as soon as possible.
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>> he is very cautious about anything he has to say. >> you wonder if he is trying to put pressure on mueller to close up shop. >> there's too many pieces that need to be resolved in court before we can anticipate the mueller report. the president doesn't want to go through another shutdown. that's not the goal. >> the idea of getting a deal is probably 50/50. winning on the wall, lost on the shutdown. >> we have to restore the trust and faith of the american people in the governmental process. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to "new day." is it possible the mueller probe is wrapping up. that's what acting attorney general matt whittaker, who oversees the mueller probe, told. the decisions by the mueller's office will be reviewed by the justice department. what does all that mean? some lawmakers are so concerned they are cin

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