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virginia's democratic governor ralph northam defies calls to resign. saying a racist yearbook photo is not of him after all. >> i am not the person in that photo. >> can he keep his job? former virginia governor terry mcauliffe joins us exclusively. plus -- deal or no deal? just before his state of the union address, president trump teases he's ready to flex his executive muscle to get his border wall. >> we will be looking at a national emergency. >> where does that leave congressional negotiations? >> have to give and take. i've told the president that. >> top senate negotiator senator richard shelby responds, next. and -- left turn? democratic presidential hopefuls tout progressive policies. >> we need to have medicare for all. >> medicare for all. >> but not all democrats think those plans are realistic. hello. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is shaking our heads.
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the virginia governor, democrat ralph northam is ignoring calls for his resignation by fellow democrats from the top to the bottom of his party. demands that only intensified after the governor bizarrely changed his explanation about that racist photo from his 1984 medical school yearbook page. now northam insists he's not in the photo which depicts someone in blackface next to a person dressed in ku klux klan robes. >> i finally had a chance to sit down and look at the photograph in detail. it is definitely not me. i can tell by looking at it. >> that was a total contradiction of what northam admitted hours before when he said he was deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear as i did in this photo, unquote. northam did reveal yesterday his vivid memory of wearing blackface on a different occasion that year at a dance contest where he dressed as michael jackson and colored his face with shoe polish. marking the first time in
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american political history that a politician attempted to explain his innocence regarding one racist blackface incident by pointing to another one that he recalled participating in. northam is now asking for the opportunity to earn virginians' forgiveness, something the state's top democrats, including mark warner and tim gain, wilder and mcauliffe, the state attorney general and democratic caucus said was not possible. joining me is former virginia governor democrat terry mcauliffe. governor mcauliffe called for northam's resignation on friday. governor mcauliffe, thanks for joining us. northam is saying it's not him in the photo. do you believe him? >> doesn't really matter what i believe or anyone else believes. when this first came out friday afternoon, and i -- and when you invited me on the show, in my wildest dreams i never thought you and i would be having this conversation. when the photo came out friday afternoon, i said there is no way that ralph northam is in
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this picture. and then friday evening, it came out that ralph indeed was, he said, he was in the picture. at that point for me, morally, the only right thing to do, and it was hard. i called ralph on friday night. it was one of the hardest things i had to do. was my lieutenant governor. we worked closely together. we did so many great things working together for the commonwealth of virginia. once that picture with the blackface and klansman came out there is no way you can continue to be the governor of the commonwealth of virginia. we've had a horrible and sordid past as it relates to race relations. we've worked to move the state forward. if you remember 1902, a state senator said that i'm putting a felon disenfranchisement in our constitution to eliminate the darky from being a political factor in virginia. i was proud to 114 years later give those felons their rights back. but we've worked hard in virginia. so this is, i've got to tell
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you, it's heartbreaking. one of the worst 48 hours. but virginia needs to come out of this stronger. i can't sit here and pretend and be in the steps of those individuals who have been offended by those photos. >> let me ask you, if it's not him in the photo, which is what he's saying, why do you still think he should resign? >> well, first he said it was friday night. and if it wasn't him in the photo, he should have said that on friday. i have no idea what was going on in the governor's office on friday. i just -- if you aren't instinctively, you know if you put black paint on your face. you know if you put a hood on. and so if it isn't you, you come out with immediately and say this is not me. so i can't understand what's going on. but i do know this. ralph is a good, moral, decent man. and may have made some mistakes in his past. we all have made mistakes. ralph will do the right thing for the commonwealth of
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virginia. he will put virginia first. and i think that will happen relatively soon. he's worked hard. thanks to ralph's efforts we got medicaid expansion done but we have to move on. you cannot be the leader. the legislation goes from the house and senate back and forth. i remember as governor, this is your busiest time work with the legislators to pass bills, kill bills. you have got to work as one unit to move your commonwealth forward and he's just not going to have the ability to do it. the head of the black caucus yesterday said if he doesn't resign, they'll move to remove him themselves from the legislature. so we just need to put this behind us and move forward. and that's what we have to do. >> so when you say you think he's going to do the right thing, you mean he's going to resign? you want him to resign? do you agree with the head of the black caucus he should be removed from office if he does not resign? >> i know ralph very well.
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it will not come to that. and if ralph is watching this today, i know how much he loves this commonwealth of virginia. and you've got to make the right decision. you've got to make the right moral decision. we have to bring people together. we've had a horrible history in virginia. he and i working together and he chaired the child cabinet that i formed with my wife to feed needy children. he's done so many great things. it's not about ralph anymore. this is about who we are as virginians and how we move forward. so he's going to do the right thing. i know in his heart, he's going to do the right thing. >> governor, watch a clip from yesterday's press conference. a question for governor northam after he admitted that he did wear blackface but not in that
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photo. he wore blackface as part of a michael jackson costume for a dance competition in san antonio in 1984. take a look. >> are you still able to moonwalk? >> inappropriate circumstance. >> my wife says in appropriate circumstances. >> as i don't need to tell you, there are a lot of people who are really hurting because of this racist image. you just saw governor northam smiling, contemplating showing the press his ability to moonwalk. do you think that governor northam understands how serious this is and how much pain he's caused? >> i think there is so much -- i mean that -- i winced when i saw that yesterday. first of all, totally inappropriate question from the reporter. we're talking about a very, very serious issue. and i agree with the first lady of virginia. i agree with pam northam, that was totally inappropriate. and i think, jake, he's sitting there and you just can't imagine what's going on in his mind today with everybody and calling for his resignation and i just go back to the point, he has done so many great things for virginia through the years. it doesn't matter what -- whether he was in the photo or not at this point.
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we have to close that chapter. we have to move virginia forward. justin fairfax, african-american lieutenant governor, will do a great job of bringing folks back together. this is a part of the chapter of ralph's life, and as i say, he'll be remembered for so many great things but he'll also be remembered in a time of need that he chose the right moral course for virginia and he resigned and moved forward. >> i have to ask you, sir. he was your lieutenant governor. it's not just the photograph on his yearbook page. he also, in his virginia military institute high school yearbook page, he's identified one of his nicknames is coon man which he has yet to explain. there is also a video out there circulating of him refusing to shake the hand of his black opponent after a 2013 debate. i know that the ralph northam
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you know in your words is a good man. but -- >> yep. >> but has he also been a racist? >> i have zero indication of that. as i say, family doctor, had military service, had been a state senator, ran for lieutenant governor, and literally at my side. historic investment in k-12 to make sure that underserved schools had the right teachers. and to make sure every child had a nutritious breakfast working with my wife dorothy on that. when i did the restoration of rights it was sued by the republicans to stop me from doing that. ralph was always at my side. so i can't answer it, jake. i'm telling you. i'm heartbroken. i don't know how -- i have been -- on friday, i just don't -- i can't explain to you my feeling, but doesn't matter how terry mcauliffe feels. that photo that was in that yearbook was so offensive to the african-american community that i can't be in their shoes. and we've just got to get past this. >> i want to ask about another controversy.
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>> i knew at a young age, blackface, 1985, you just didn't do it. >> yeah. >> i have to ask -- >> it was offensive. >> i have to ask about another controversy in virginia over legislation that would loosen restrictions on late-term abortions. listen to what governor northam said about third trimester abortions on a local radio station. >> it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. there may be a fetus that's nonviable. in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, i can tell you exactly what would happen. the infant would be delivered. the infant would be kept comfortable. the infant would be resuscitated, if that's what the mother and the family desired. and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. >> do you support this new legislation, and what was your reaction to the governor's comments there? >> absolutely not. and i think ralph misspoke on that. no democrat i know is for infanticide.
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none. none. i just don't know of anyone who is for it. listen, ralph was at my side, when i ran for governor five years ago and it was the republicans who were changing all the regulations to make clinics, planned parenthood clinics put in more to shut all our clinics down. i am proud i replaced the board of health and we got rid of all of those horrible regulations to shut own planned parenthood clinics down. that's the battle we've been having in virginia. where we come from, it's -- life of the mother in the last trimester, but i do not support that legislation, nor does ralph, and i just think, you know, he was speaking as a doctor and what he was trying to say, i'll be honest, was not who he is. >> governor, obviously we asked you to come on the show to talk about national issues having to do with medicare for all.
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i hope you'll come back under different circumstances. >> you bet. >> before you go, last question. you said the odds of you running for president in 2020 were about 50/50. what's the update? are they still 50/50? are you planning on running? >> so i've said i'd make a decision by march 31st. i have been talking to other candidates. i want to see what the positions are out there. i am going through the process. i've outreached to over 400 people. i've talked to individuals out there. and, listen, we had a very successful run as governor of virginia bringing people together, building a new economy. i have said we need a democrat running for president that has actionable -- can actually get things done and who can show results. so, you know, we've got about six, seven weeks to finish making my decision, and i'm talking to a lot of people. and if i do, i promise you, jake, you'll be the first to know. how is that? >> okay. i'm sure you -- i will be the first to know.
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but still about 50/50 you think or 60/40 in favor? what do you think? >> yeah, i'd say -- i'd like to do it. i think we had a great track record in virginia. great success that we had. very results. economic investment and all the things that we were able to do. very progressive agenda and economic focused. built a new economy. that's what america needs. they want a president who is compassionate, has empathy and tells the truth. anyone who dealt with me in the commonwealth of virginia, i'm very authentic. i'll always tell you, whether you like to hear it or not, and i lean in to get things done we can get done. i have aspirational goals but also temper that to what is reality. and that's why i say, i had a very republican legislature. i got over 70% of my governor administration bills passed. i worked together. we're a different state today than we were five years ago. open, welcome and diverse. and that's what the country needs. >> governor mcauliffe, thank you. we'll have you back again soon.
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. just 12 days left to make a deal. president trump says negotiations on capitol hill to avoid another government shutdown are a waste of time. the president is threatening to build his border wall with or without a deal by declaring a national emergency. possibly he will make this announcement during this
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tuesday's state of the union address. joining me is one of the lawmakers trying to cut a deal. senate appropriations committee chairman richard shelby, republican from alabama. senator, good to see you. always good to have you on. your committee has just 12 days left to strike a deal to avoid another government shutdown. president trump said this week those negotiations you are helping to lead are, quote, a waste of time. the comments like that, do they hurt your efforts to find a compromise? >> well, it could hurt but also could help because a lot of us are going to do everything we can to try to make this work. to get to yes. to avoid another shutdown. to show that we can do the job like we did three-fourths of the funding already. >> there seem to be an obvious area of compromise here on fencing. speaker pelosi indicated on thursday she won't pay for a wall but is open to enhanced fencing or normandy fencing in some areas. president trump said he was open to fencing, barriers, steel
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slats, but then this week he kind of did a turn around and tweeted, quote, let's just call them walls from now on and stop playing political games. it seems as though the president has just kind of put up a wall in the way of finding common ground here. am i wrong? >> i think that the president is dead set on keeping his campaign promise. i support border security, a wall, a fence, a barrier, whatever it takes. also support enhanced procedures, technology and more manpower. we've got to have a comprehensive approach to this. i believe that we've got a chance this week to move things. will we? we don't know. the president could be right. we could be wasting our time. on the other hand, we could come up to a solution. but as long as the speaker and
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the president are way at odds, the chances of us reaching an agreement are slim, but it could happen. as a matter of fact, later this week, coming up, we've asked the professionals, the people who do the work that know something about the border, know what they need. do they need a wall? do they need a fence? do they need more technology? do they need it all? we're going to have them up before the appropriation conference committee and we're going to find out what they want. i think it's not what i need or what the speaker needs or even the president needs. it's what we need to secure our borders. if we get this information from the experts, it could move us off the dime. >> what if they say that they are fine with steel slats, barriers, but that they don't need a concrete wall, and then that's something that i -- it sounds like the conference committee could agree to. even nancy pelosi could agree
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to, the speaker of the house, but trump really matters whether he finds it acceptable if he demands a concrete wall or border. you're saying you'll defer to the customs and border patrol people? >> well, i think it's what you call it -- the president calls it a wall. sometimes we call it a fence. sometimes a barrier. but the president, i think, has already spoken out and said he's not talking about a concrete wall, 1500 miles and so forth. i think he's been talking about steel barriers and slats and stuff like that. but i think we've got to listen to the experts. we've got to listen to the people who do it every day that know what the challenge is because we do, jake, we do have problems with our borders. we have not secured our borders. the president is right there. it's a question, how do we get off the politics and to the substance? if we can do that, we'll get the job done. that's what i'm working to do to go to yes. >> the president is signaling that he's likely to declare a national emergency to fund the border wall.
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that would then go to the house and senate to affirm or to vote against. do you think there are enough votes in the senate to pass, to approve of president trump's national emergency declaration or are enough americans concerned about such a thing whether it's because of the precedent or because it takes away power from the legislative branch? >> well, we'll have to see what would happen. the president hasn't specifically said he's going to invoke an emergency powers. but he's, under the constitution, he's probably got some rights there. also under the statute that gives -- speaks to emergency powers. what we'd like to do is do it in the appropriation process. we've shown we can do it. if people leave us alone, if we were tasked -- senator leahy, my counterpart in the senate, congresswoman loy and granger if the four of us could get to work, tasked by our respective caucuses, we'll get this done before wednesday night.
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>> but if you can't find a deal, if you can't find a deal that he would sign, you are okay with him declaring a national emergency? >> well, that's up to him. you know, he does have power, and he has obligations under the constitution to protect the country which is to protect the borders. that would all probably play out in court some way, but the preferable way is through the appropriation process which we've already done and i'll say it again. three-fourths of the budget. let us finish the rest. >> you used to be the chairman of the senate select committee on intelligence. the nation's top intelligence officials testified before congress this weekend and they contradicted the president in several of the priorities. they contradicted him on whether they think north korea will denuclearize, on whether iran is complying with the nuclear deal as of right now. whether isis has been completely defeated. the president got mad. he lashed out on twitter. he called the intelligence
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chiefs extremely passive and naive. told them to go back to school. does this politicizing of intelligence bother you? >> it's troubling to all of us. and i think there's got to be real good communications between the president and the director of the cia and the director of national intelligence. these are professional people. the president's briefed every day on it. he's not an intelligence officer. none of us are. but they -- the people on the front lines, the people who analyze who gather and disseminate intelligence information to our higher-ups, we should respect them. most of the time they are pretty much on point. >> former attorney general jeff sessions has not ruled out running in your home state of alabama against democratic senator doug jones for his old senate seat. have you talked with him about running for his old seat? would you like to see him do that? >> well, that would be up to jeff sessions.
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jeff sessions and i are friends. we served together 20 years. we do talk from time to time. but whether he does that will be up to him. if he runs, he'll be a formidable force. if he doesn't run, we could understand that, too. but strictly up to jeff sessions. let's see what happens in the months ahead. >> senator shelby, always good to have you on. thanks for being here. >> thank you, jake. 2020 democrats are calling for virginia governor northam to resign over that racist photo. could his refusing to do so hurt their case against president trump? that's next.
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do not believe i am in the picture in my yearbook. >> welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. that was democratic governor of virginia ralph northam saying a racist photo from his medical school yearbook was not him, and the reason he knows that is because he clearly remembers a different time he was in blackface. but then again, take a look at what he said in a statement on friday night. quote, earlier today a website published a photograph of me from my 1984 medical school yearbook in a costume that is clearly racist and offensive. i'm deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear as i did in this photo and for the hurt that caused then and now. let's discuss. karen finney -- >> yes. >> i've never before heard an explanation from a politician, that's not me in that blackface photo and the reason i know that is because i remember another blackface incident. >> that's okay because the other one was fine but this one is bad. the only person who does not know that it's over is governor northam.
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i mean, set aside the substance because there have been a lot of conversations, we all know it's despicable, disgusting. at 25 years of age, you should know that. particularly before you take an oath to do no harm as a doctor probably shouldn't be appearing in those images. but i think it's communications 101. when you run for office, a lot of people are making fun of the opposing side's oppo research team. his own oppo research team screwed up. you do your own research to know what's out there and be prepare forward what to say when it comes up. just the way they handled it, they kept creating more questions than he was answering as it went on. and now you don't know what to believe. it's hard to have that -- to think he has any credibility. as you were discussing earlier with former -- governor terry, as i like to call him, who is going to want to work with him now? he has no credibility. how is he going to go and say, talk about removing confederate monuments?
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how is he going to be the guy that people see as a leader on critical issues. and in a year, in a week where jussie smollett was viciously beaten and we know it was a hate crime, a year we have the most diverse candidates and elect rat, you can't do it. >> bakari we have you on because you're an expert and progressive voice but i want to ask you to explain to blacksplain what -- i could have asked you, but you gave a political answer in a lot of ways. what does it mean as an african-american to see that image because i think a lot of people -- it must mean something emotional. >> i'm glad you asked the question because first we have to say that democrats and republicans alike have problems with race in this country. we can say that republicans have more of an issue. that doesn't matter. racism is in the fabric of the united states of america. and when you see those images, you see the kkk. and the kkk just brutalized,
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raped, lynched, pillaged many african-americans not just throughout the south but across the country. white people do not understand what blackface means. when you have your son going out in blackface for a costume or your son goes to prep school or elite day schools and they dress up in blackface, basically it means you're calling me --. blackface goes back to the mid-19th century where people were dressing up showing them to be lazy, to be ignorant, hypersexual and to be all-out disrespectful to our culture. so when i see images like this, it harkens on the fact we have a serious issue with racism in this country. governor northam doesn't understand his own actions. it's traumatizing when we sit here and critique it because i'm like, jake and everyone else, can people just not be racist? can that be the bar? democrats who want to hem and haw, i have no time for you. we need to set a standard that racism will not be tolerated in our party or political
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discourse, especially in 2000. the last thing i'll tell you. we talk about systemic racism all the time. the fact you have doctors who dress up in blackface, who wear kkk garb. >> at least one other image of a different person in blackface. >> that goes to question -- you have these doctors. how do we think they are caring for african-americans in their care when they do not even look as african-americans and give them the benefit of their humanity. this is why we have systemic racism in our country. this is why racism is pervasive in our systems and why we have disparities in health care amongst other things. this is much larger than governor northam and i'm glad you asked the question. >> everybody took to twitter to dunk on governor northam.
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even people with their own questionable statements and behavior when it comes to race. president trump said, democratic governor ralph northam stated i believe i'm not the people in that photo. this was 24 hours after apologizing for being in the picture. unforgivable. obviously, the president's history with african-americans goes back to being sued by, i think, the nixon justice department for discriminating against african-americans when it comes to -- when it came to people living in his apartments. >> well, absolutely right. and i just want to say something about the context. one of the advantages of being as old as i am, before bakari was even born, i was head of the u.s. commission on civil rights in 1984 when this occurred. race was very much in the public conversation. doug wilder was running for lieutenant governor. but i was on the front page as was the rest of the civil rights commission talking about race and affirmative action. so this isn't like it happened in 1934. this is recent history. and the fact that, if somebody said we've got a photo of you in blackface, i would know it wouldn't possibly be true because i would never do such a thing any more than i would do
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heil hitler. the fact he couldn't immediately know, he clearly hung around with people where that was acceptable was acceptable, he clearly did it at least once himself, and i think that it just speaks of a kind of racism that, unfortunately, still exists. >> scott, what do you say to democrats who say, you know what, republicans, sit this one out. steve king is still in the house of representatives. a president who referred to african nations as s-hole countries. >> there are people all over this country of varying political stripes that still have race issues. they don't understand how hurtful things are and they just don't understand. they speak out of ignorance frequently. but i want to touch on a comment you made in the phrase human
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dignity because this is the second moment where ralph northam failed to respect human dignity. the first moment was when he made his ghoulish, horrific statements about abortion. this was his second pr debacle this week. prior to this moonwalking press conference he was on a radio show. he's a pediatrician talking about -- talking about aborting children at the moment of birth and then even after they had been delivered. i agree with you, bakari. human dignity matters and we ought to respect every human life of every race, especially these poor babies who are laying in delivery rooms when you have governors of states that think we should have a discussion about murdering them after they were born? >> okay, stop, stop. that's a lie. what you're saying is a ghoulish lie. that is a lie that the right wing has perpetuated. >> i heard what he said. i don't agree with what he said. we're talking about making sure in those instances it is a woman and a doctor not anyone at this table or anyone in congress making the decision. that is not the same thing as
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what we are talking about when we are talking about, this is what we started talking about, racism in this country. and we know that largely drove why people voted for donald trump in 2016 so in 2020, this is a time when we are going to have to have that conversation. you want to have that conversation? we'll do it. >> we're going to take a quick break. coming up, a searing attack by the white house on one of president trump's potential 2020 challengers comparing him to a greeting card. that's next. you've tried moisturizer after moisturizer but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost from neutrogena®. with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. neutrogena® so it bounces back. who transition out of the u.s. formilitary every year...ers of the toughest parts is the search for a job that takes advantage of the skills you've gained while serving. you can now search with the phrase 'jobs for veterans' directly on google... ...and then enter your military occupational specialty code.
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who of us have not had that situation where you have to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, i don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this. let's eliminate all of that. let's move on. >> will you do away with private
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health care? >> even countries that have vast access to publicly offered health care still have private health care, so, no. >> senators kamala harris and cory booker offering different takes on whether medicare for all should also eliminate private health insurance as bernie sanders' medicare for all bill would essentially do. they're both co-sponsors of the medicare for all bill. let's discuss. bakari, 56% of americans favor medicare for all. when you ask, would you favor it if it eliminates private health insurance companies as the bernie sanders bill essentially does, it drops to 37%. >> i think what you'll see throughout this process is democrats and their plans and ideas and all of these proposals will be fleshed out and people are going to get to the root of it. what you saw this week was a slight difference of opinion because i think that medicare for all is a standard in the democratic party now. but different ways and different candidates who want to get there. i still favor, for example, making sure we have a healthy private insurance industry in this country but i do believe we need to move toward a medicaid for all. and i believe that you have
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kamala harris and cory booker who have sponsored bills throughout the whole genre of that making sure we get -- if we just drop the age limit for medicare, i believe we cover more people and can start to have those discussions. >> i want you to take a listen to the white house's comments this week about cory booker. they seem to have some -- had some rather pointed criticism. >> senator cory booker announced today that he's also running. there are a lot of democrats. >> he's got no chance. >> no chance? why? >> because i know him. i don't think he has a chance. >> i think cory booker often sounds like a hallmark card and not necessarily a person who is there to tell you everything he's accomplished in the united states senate and as mayor of newark. >> what's your take? >> totally agree with the president. he has no chance. far more formidable candidates. >> why?
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>> this is a guy -- watch his performance during the kavanaugh hearing. completely discredited himself. he's flip-flopped on major issues over the years. he tends to say what the audience wants to hear. i don't think that's what people are looking for in either party. they have smart, strong candidates. i think kamala harris. >> we were just talking about it. >> i think -- >> i didn't say kamila. >> and she led the way on the northam issue. i thought she needed to speak and she did it. so she seems to be strong to me. beto is still lurking out there. cory booker is an interesting person, but he's not going to be the next president. >> what do you think? >> i thought the president's statement was less racist than other comments he's made about black candidates. >> kudos. >> he didn't say they were ignorant or not educated. i think cory is someone if you've ever seen him on the campaign trail, he's very inspiring. as with all these candidates, that is why we have a primary process that -- where you get to see, how do they do?
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can they flesh out their ideas about health care, how do we get to if it's medicare for all or do you maintain some form of private insurance? how do we get there? that's, what's going to be positive is that conversation. >> i actually think that cory booker's problem is going to be within the democratic party and it's going to relate to his job as mayor of newark. i think he was a terrific mayor of newark. he supported choice for public school children in newark, and he's going to have trouble with the teachers union, and it's very difficult to get the nomination if you have the teachers unions on the other side. >> and democrats were thrown a curveball with the possible entry, at least the testing for independent candidate howard schultz, the former ceo of starbucks. senator sherrod brown of ohio is contemplating running for president. he hasn't announced but does have some thoughts on howard schultz. let's roll the tape. >> i'm so worried about pac money. >> for those of you listening on
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the podcast, that was -- a voter says i'm so worried about pac money and sherrod brown says you have this idiot schultz running. he's an idiot. i mean, he's a total idiot. >> a packed room of people and i'm not sure that sherrod knew his voice was being picked up. i concur with the sentiment. i have a huge problem with -- >> he's not an idiot. you may disagree with -- >> i totally disagree with what he's doing. >> he talked us all into paying 5 bucks for a cup of coffee. he's a genius. >> i don't think he doesn't even know why he's running for president of the united states other than the fact -- this will be a lot of people. anybody thinks they can be president of the united states now that donald trump is president. and that -- >> i don't. >> his slogan should be, be howard schultz, because anybody can do it. >> he wrote a memo to hillary clinton in 2015 and talked about branding and how you build your brand and how you roll that out.
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you think the guy from starbucks would know a thing about that. he's not followed any of his advice in the first week. he's saying you can't do this and can't do that, not even following the advice he once gave a presidential candidate. >> i assume you're a schultz fan because he might take away some votes from the democrats. >> everybody should be participating in our democracy. everybody vote. except you. you can't participate. you're not allowed to participate. get out of our democracy. >> we'll all go get some $7 lattes. in president trump once bragged the button on his desk is big are than kim jong-un's. wait until you see what that button can do. that's the subject of this week's "state of the cartoonian." are you a christian author with
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welcome back. so you're in the oval office and you see the president of the united states press the red button on his resolute desk. what's going to happen? that's the subject of this week's state of the cartoon-uon. >> a red button he likes to keep on his desk to confuse visitors. he says don't worry nobody wants me to press a button. sims is right, it makes visitors nervous about what it does. >> this is ominous looking because of the red button. >> might it deliver a shock to vice president pence if he gets out of line? might it be used to summon the hairdressing? >> i try to hide that bald spot. >> does he press the button when he needs a boost from the base? maybe he uses it to call in kim
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jong-un. >> musical talent, dance talent. >> or a visit from roger stone with a message from wikileaks. >> it's called politics. >> for all visitors know, the button calls in a starbucks barista, delivering a latte. >> i would have to be disingenuous to try to run as a democrat. >> just when the guests are on the edge of their seats, trump reveals the button's true purpose. and it's the real thing. >> it gets you something. ow! ooh! >> there's a new move, is it setting off an arms race with the kremlin? when i walked through a snowstorm for a cigarette, that's when i knew i had to quit. for real this time.
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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, putin versus donald trump. on nuclear missiles and venezuela, the two are surprisingly not seeing eye to eye at all. why is the white house withdrawing from one of the most important cold war treaties? >> we're not going to let them violate a nuclear agreement and go out and do weapons and we're not allowed to. >> why is trump so strongly behind the opposition in venezuela, while putin backs maduro? i have a g


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