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hello on this sunday. you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. president trump this weekend saying it's possible he may shut down the government again this month as he continues fighting with house democrats over his proposed border wall. the last shutdown, a partial one, the longest in american history, ended with the president getting no money for that controversial project he promised as a candidate. yet, trump said just today that looking ahead, another shutdown is definitely still on the table.
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>> would you shut down the government again? >> well, we're going to have to see what happens on february 15th, and -- >> you're not taking it off the table. >> i don't like to take anything off the table. it's that alternative. it's national emergency. it's other things. you know, there have been plenty national emergencies called. you need a wall. anybody that says you don't, they're just playing games. >> live now to our white house correspondent boris sanchez. this is just in to cnn. confirmation from the pentagon on something the president mentioned a few days ago. it's about more u.s. troops deploying to the border with mexico. fill us in. >> reporter: that's right, ana. we're getting official word from the pentagon about some troop movements to the southern border with mexico. last week cnn reported there was an attempt by the pentagon to move some 3500 troops to the border. the official word is there are going to be 3,750 military
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personnel moved to the border help assist customs and border patrol agents. we're told that those troops would likely be stationed there for approximately 90 days. that brings the total number of u.s. troops at the border to more than 4,300. the president telegraphed this move last week. he tweeted about it. here's the tweet. quote, more troops being sent to the southern boarder to stop the attempted invasion of illegals through large caravans to our country. we stopped the previous caravans and we will stop these two. with a wall, it would be so much easier and less expensive. you see the president taking this sort of step, bypassing congress to take some sort of action to strengthen the border. we'll likely hear more about this tuesday night during the president's state of the union address. >> and i understand there's new reporting today about how the president is spending his days
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inside the white house. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, this is new dramatic reporting out of axios. a source inside the white house provided them with the president's schedule, his daily schedule for nearly three months worth of time, midterm elections until now. it appears the president spends about 60% of his time on executive time, essentially private time in the white house where the president is watching cable television, reading newspapers, calling friends, et cetera. we should point out, not everyone meeting that the president has taken is on these schedules. we understand, according to white house officials in this report, that he often has impromptu sort of spur of the moment meetings. also, apparently, the president doesn't listing meetings because he's afraid they'll leak to the press. but it does show just how unstructured and unorthodox his time in the white house has been. >> right.
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boris sanchez for us, traveling with the president, who's at his mar-a-lago resort this weekend. thank you. i want to get back to the president's threat to shut down the government if deal making with democrats doesn't go his way. with us now, cnn analyst patrick healy, and a.b. stoddard. trump is negotiating. he says he's going to be more conciliatory. is threatening another government shutdown going to get him what he wants? >> it's so interesting. he's trying to tease out a big suspenseful, theatrical state of the union on tuesday to raise the number of people watching it. he really needs good ratings. he was not happy about his oval office address. it didn't move the debate at all. it wasn't watched by enough people. we saw him on friday basically threaten to declare a national emergency during the state of the union.
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he also wants to hold out the fact that something could happen before the 15th, which is ten days later. i do not think he's going to shut the government down. i think he actually was alarmed by the polling that he saw, the economic damage that it did to many people's lives in trump counties, in trump states, in trump districts. and i think his advisers and senate republicans were very blunt with him about that. i do not think, even though he's hanging it over to build suspense, that it's a possibility. i think in the end he's going to find a way to climb down either by saying the wall exists, which he teased out there week, or that he's sending the military or declares an emergency, which senate republicans are advising him not to do. i don't think he's going to shut the government down. >> patrick, at this point, the president has made his pitch to the american people multiple times. most americans still don't think the wall is the answer, and they certainly don't think it's worth shutting the government down for. so can the president say
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anything at the state of the union that would change minds? >> he's going to try to put nancy pelosi on the spot. now, she's sort of gotten the best of him in their previous tangles, but he's very comfortable doing this, using the megaphone of television to try to make a case through his theatrics and his rhetoric to try to sort of pin her down and make her look unreasonable, make himself look like he's protecting the country, executing his duties as commander in chief, keeping americans safe, and making her look somehow unreasonable. the thing is, you're probably going to see very powerful responses from stacey abrams, who's giving the response, and pelosi and others. they're going say, we don't want money for the president's wall. he can talk about all these other elements as much as he wants, and he's going to try to, but fundamentally, it's the wall that they're not going to put in
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this amount of money for. i think a.b. was getting at something that's exactly right on here. the polling is just bad for him. this is a president, he may not know many things, but one thing he does know is his own sense of polling. he very much believes that his own ability to negotiate, to frankly prevail in situations is very dependent on the base and some independents being with him. he really lost that in that last fight against pelosi. >> even without the wall, though, look at what he's doing when it comes to fundraising for 2020 already. this is his re-election campaign. i say this because i want to at least give some context. a lot of presidents in the past didn't do much fundraising in the first two years in their first term in office. trump has already raised $130 million for his 2020 race. for comparison, you can see there president obama had raised just over $4 million for his
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2012 race at this point in 2011. i mean, still, charles, $130 million is nothing to scoff at. >> i believe it underscores the lie he told the first time around, right. i don't need money. i'm rich. i can do this. we found out in recent reporting that, no, he was broke and going to deutsche bank because he was giving the campaign so much money that he did not have. it was costing him money, limiting his projects. >> but people are donating. that's my point. >> i get that, but i just think we have to -- all of this -- the wall is theater for baiting white people against meme wpeop are not white. the lies he told about the success and stature of the man and the acumen he had as a deal maker. all sorts of thing, all lies. it's almost hard to debate what
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he's saying because we know it's all lies. >> do you think he's fooled the american people? >> i think some people may be fooled. some people, this is exactly what they want. we know most people in the country illegally did not come over the southern border. they came on legitimate visas, overstayed their visas, and are here somewhere. many of those people are not brown. you keep sending more troops to the southern border because of the brown people. you want to build this wall, this monumental white supremacy as a medieval wall along the border because it's about brown people. i don't believe that people are as naive, that they can be fooled so easily and that they're just being trikd becack because he can create theater. some of that may be true. also, there are people who really get their backs up about brown people being in the
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country, period, legally or not. that's the reason they're also putting pressure on legal immigration. the ways they keep putting pressure on is visa lottery. well, we know that most of the people who are benefitting from the visa lottery are people -- well, proportionately african countries benefit more proportionately from that program. none of this is a mystery to me. all of it adds up to the same thing, which is an anti blackness, anti-brownness, anti-muslim. it's the same thing. >> well, the president has made his position clear on a lot of these issues. now voters -- we keep hearing after this last election, you know, it's the power of the vote. this is a wake-up call for a lot of people. as people are thinking about what is going to come in 2020, you hear of people like larry hogan, the republican governor of maryland, being courted to primary trump in 2020. i want you to listen to how he's
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responding to some of this speculation. >> people are talking to me about it. i'm watching with great interest, all of this talk. i would say i'm listening. i'm not sure how much thinking we're doing. i haven't closed the door. >> a.b., do you think trump is going to get primaried? >> such a great question. i did not think so three weeks ago, but "the new york times" reported just a week and few days ago that larry hogan was taking a look. since then, we've seen more reporting showing a "washington post" poll to back up marist polling from three weeks ago with the same numbers of voters who will definitely not support president trump again. we know from "new york times" reporting that donors are nervous about the mueller report, holding their fire. yes, the president started on day one to raise all that money. he's raised a good bucket of money. republicans want a republican president next time. they might be stuck with him.
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if he's their choice, they want him to win. at the same time, it is increasingly possible that donors and people, candidates like larry hogan are preparing for a very damaged trump who cannot survive a primary challenge. fascinating story of the week, david drucker reported in "the washington examiner" that senator john cornyn, who's up in 2020 in texas, went on the record and said texas is not safe for president trump next year. that's an explosion. that's 38 electoral votes. he said the republican party there is alarmed. it really makes possible the fact that larry hogan and others could get traction and take him on in a primary election and possibly win. >> patrick, quickly, do you think he should be worried? >> i think so. the parallel is not exact to jimmy carter, but certainly you can see a very weakened trump by summer, by fall and part of the
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party saying we want a moderate, pragmatic -- i mean, frankly that doesn't cover it. we don't want trump, right. there could be sort of a rallying around there. but i think his problems are probably bigger than getting primaried, ultimately. >> patrick, a.b., thank you both. charles, you're back with me. coming up, virginia governor ralph northam resisting the calls to resign following a racist photograph and a press conference that did anything but clear things up. what his predecessor says he needs to do now. plus, after declaring isis defeated, president trump is now talking about what he would do if the group resurges after the u.s. leaves syria.
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democrats, urging him to go. northam now insists he's not the guy in the photo, after initially apologizing for it friday. former governor terry mcauliffe isn't buying it. >> let me ask you, if it's not him in the photo, which is what he's saying, why do you still think he should resign? >> well, first he said it was friday night. if it wasn't him in the photo, he should have said that on friday. i have no idea what was going on in the governor's office on friday. i just -- if you're not -- instinctively, you know if you put black paint on your face. you know if you put a hood on. so if it isn't you, you come out immediately and say this is not me. >> there are some voices coming to northam's defense. here's former virginia congressman jim moran. >> i think it is a rush to judgment before we know all of
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the facts and before we've considered all of the consequences. facts we do know are that ralph has expanded medicaid to hundreds of thousands of uninsured virginians, a disproportionate number of whom are african-americans. he has promoting the career of his very talented lieutenant governor in every possible way. he's invested in better preschools and public schools and minority neighborhoods. so we know what he has done as governor. but even if the worst-case scenario is true, george, i think there is an issue of redemption. >> cnn's jessica dean joins us in richmond, virginia, now. northam is under so much pressure. what's going on inside the governor's mansion? >> reporter: well, ana, i want to give you an idea of what's going on here in the governor's mansion and richmond. take a look. this is the front page today of "the richmond times dispatch." it's not me, with ralph northam
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there on the cover. we're learning more from a source with direct knowledge of the governor's thinking this afternoon. we learned that the governor is digging in. his thinking has not changed. he has absolutely no plans to resign as of right now. we're told he's evaluating that day by day, minute by minute, but that the whole plan for that press conference yesterday was to give him a forum to explain that photo and giver, he hoped, people time to evaluate him but also give himself time to evaluate the situation. what that source was also telling cnn is that as of right now, the only way that the governor would step down is if he determines that he can not govern effectively. as of right now, he's simply not at that point. again, just to give you a little of the landscape here, the political landscape here in virginia for him, it does not bode well. the democratic party, the legislative black caucus, the house and senate democrats all have called on him to resign, as
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well as what was really remarkable last night after his press conference. senator tim kaine and senator mark warner all coming forward after not speaking out and directly calling him to resign and asking him to step aside and resign as well. so that chorus has continued to grow, but the fact of the matter is, the governor has dug his heels in. he's planning to forge ahead. the legtuislature is scheduled meet tomorrow. at this point, it's on the legislature. will they make a move? the director of the black caucus says that right now that's not a discussion they're willing to have publicly. but we'll see as the days go on. >> all right. jessica dean in richmond. thank you. back with us now, "new york times" columnist charles blow. he's the author of "fire shut up in my bones," a memoir about growing up in a small louisiana town. are you surprised the governor hasn't resigned? >> it is a bit surprising. i don't understand the thinking that you think you can survive
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it. how would you be effective if everybody on your own side, forget about the people on the opposite side of the aisle, are saying it's over. how do you lead those people? >> why do you think he thinks he can withstand this? >> i have no idea. i have no idea. his explanations just don't quite pass the smell test. i haven't investigated. i don't know what's true of it and what's not. we only know what he says. he says he submitted the other pictures but not that one. what does that mean? somebody on the yearbook staff is trying to sabotage you? or does that mean you had no friends in medical school, so other people who got the yearbook -- none of your friends said, man, that's a crazy picture on your page. you have to get them to retract this. nobody in 35 years said anything to you? you had no friends? >> well, he does say he does remember the time that he did
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darken his face to perform as michael jackson. on that note, this was another moment that really stood out to me from the press conference. it has to do with that. >> are you still able to moonwalk? >> inappropriate circumstances. >> my wife says inappropriate circumstances. >> your take on that moment? >> that's hilarious. if he would have moon walked, that would have been the clip of the decade. but there's a serious point there, which is who was wearing black face to impersonate michael jackson in 1984? you know what michael jackson looked like in 1984? all you had to do was wear a glove and a sparkly jacket. a lot of white people loved michael jackson just like black people. they danced like him just like black people did. no one was putting shoe polish on their face. there's another tale in there where he says, i didn't put on a lot because it's hard to get
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off. how do you know how hard shoe polish is to get off your face? a lot of it felt just very strange and hard to believe. that was the exact same year. then you said i didn't know it was offensive. you have to understand what was happening around 1984. the year before we had the first black miss america. we had -- '83 was when they made martin luther king day a federal holiday. we had been talking about race all the previous year. how do you then pretend you had no idea that this was a bad thing? >> you're not buying it? >> it could be -- i mean, you have to do like a 5% chance this all could be true and you just made a horrible explanation of it. but 95% of me is ting lling sayg this doesn't sound like it's true. >> let's talk about where we are now. it was already a decade ago that
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this country elected its first african-american president. i remember at the time people thought, wow, look how far we've come. now given what we've seen in the last couple years, what this incident has revealed, do you see progress? >> absolutely. there's no way for anybody to look at the racial history of america and say they see no progress. that person is lying or trying to build some sort of argument that you can't support. that said, there are intransigent parts of racism that remain and show no signs of being weakened. and it's not even american racism. it's global racism. there's still an endemic anti-blackness. it is a reason why you still have it in south america. you have is in brazil, which has more black people than anywhere
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in the western hemisphere. but they have their own racial problems. they treat darker skinned people differently. it happens in africa too. it happens in asia. i'm just saying, this idea of people thinking that there is something about character and capacity connected to the likeness or darkness of your skin is a part of the human experience that is still kind of stuck. does that mean you can't have people succeed? that does not mean that. but it is a very real thing. it presents itself in america as well as it does in other places. >> all right. charles, good to have you with us. thanks so much for sharing your perspective. back in december, president trump claimed isis was defeated. today the president tells us what he's prepared to do if isis regroups. this as we showcase a cnn exclusive report showing dramatic footage of a terror group's last stand in syria.
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♪ ♪ (clap, clap) olly. president trump talking about syria tonight. he's vowed to pull u.s. troops out, saying he's keeping his campaign promise to bring them home. but the president's also laying out what he would do if there's an isis resurgence once the troops leave. >> we'll come back if we have to. we have very fast airplanes. we have very good cargo planes. we can come back very quickly. and i'm not leaving. we have a base in iraq. the base is a fantastic edifice. i was there recently. i couldn't believe the money that was spent on these massive runways and these -- i've rarely
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seen anything like it. and it's there and will be there. frankly, we're hitting the caliphate from iraq and as we slowly withdraw from syria. >> how many troops are still in syria? >> 2,000 troops. >> when are they coming home? >> they're starting to -- as we gain the remainder caliphate of the area, they'll be going to our base in iraq and ultimately some will be coming home. >> retired lieutenant general mark hurtling joins us now. he commanded troops in iraq during his decades' long career. the president says troops will go back to syria if necessary and can get there fast if needed. is it that simple? >> no, not even close. yes, we do have very good cargo planes. yes, we have fast jets. but you're talking about the difference between a forced entry operation once we leave and a continuous mission, which
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is what's going on right now. it's much more difficult. the other thing is, once you leave, and we've seen this with our allies, you can't deploy trust along with the forces that are going there. what i mean by that is a lot of alliances have been built with other organizations. they know we're leaving. they don't like that very much. they feel abandoned on the battlefield. you can't just say, hey, we're coming back and everything is going to be okay. it just doesn't work that way. >> here's what else the president said about the isis threat today. >> we've done an incredible job with syria. when i took over syria, it was infested with isis. it was all over the place. now you have very little isis. you have the caliphate almost knocked out. we will be announcing in the not too distant future 100% of the caliphate, which is the area, the land, the area, 100. we're at 99% right now. we'll be at 100. when i took it over, it was a disaster. >> general, does taking back that land and their geographic strongholds guarantee that isis
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itself is defeated? because national intelligence director dan coats said this week there are still thousands of isis fighters out there. >> no, it does not, ana. there's so many factual inaccuracies in the president's statement during that interview, it's incredible. the fact it's 99% defeated, that's not true at all. you can't even put a percentage on it. secondly, the national intelligence estimate has suggested that the isis soldiers are going from an active insurgency to a guerrilla fight. that means they're going underground. having commanded in northern iraq for a good period of time when there were different terrorist groups there, you know that they go to ground, meaning they go to the river beds, they hide out for a while, and other groups are also there. so what we will likely see is not al qaeda 2.0, which was isis. we will likely see al qaeda 3.0 when the u.s. leaves. we're on the verge of defeating p them. they weren't near defeat when
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the president entered office. they were in a pretty good place in terms of being defeated. that had been going on for several years. the u.s. had trained other forces to help in that defeat. that's all going to dissipate once u.s. forces leave. >> general mark hertling, great to have you with us. we appreciate your expertise. >> thank you ana. now exclusive footage of isis fighters with nothing to lose, making a bloody last stand in eastern syria. among them, thousands of women and children desperate to escape. i want to warn you, this story contains graphic images and very disturbing video. you may want to take your children out of the room for a few minutes. our cnn senior international correspondent ben wedeman reports. >> reporter: they're planning their next move in the final showdown with the last remnants of isis. the commander of the syrian democratic forces is leading his men on a night operation. their progress lit by flares into the last stronghold of what
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was the so-called islamic state. now reduced to remote and ever-shrinking sliver of land along the euphrates river in eastern syria. at first light, coalition aircraft begin to bomb. as troops venture into the town, or what's left of it. with the help of artillery and airplanes, we were able to take control of this place, this soldier tells the cameraman, who shot this exclusive video for cnn. the soldier vows within ten days, god willing, we'll finish. it may take longer than that. isis isn't giving ground easily. they counterattack. [ gunfire ] heavy machine gun fire didn't
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stop them. the troops had to retreat. by day's end, reinforcements arrived, and they were back on the offensive. not, however, without cost. the next day starts with a mortar bombardment. theed the adjacent town the objective. a soldier carries a baby, the family follows. but the soldiers are wary. these last villages are full of isis' most hardcore supporters. everyone is treated with suspicion. they order the young men to take off their shirts to show they're not concealing weapons or explosives. this family's next destination, one of many camps out in the desert filling up with tens of thousands who have fled the
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fighting. civilians want to escape to safety, says this soldier, but isis threatens them with their weapons to go back so that coalition airplanes will hit them. those who defied isis paid the ultimate price. under these blankets, the soldiers say, are eight children and two women, killed while trying to escape. the images too gruesome to show. the isis fighters did escape, leaving behind weapons and ammunition. yet the battle rages on. isis' last stand, its last battle, its last bastion will go down in a torrent of fire and blood. ben wedeman, cnn, beirut. just ahead, "empire" actor jesse smollett is setting the
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football. i think the nfl is a great product, but i really think that as far as my -- well, i've heard nfl players saying they wouldn't let their sons play football. so it's not totally unique, but i would have a hard time with it. >> the nfl has come under pressure to do more to prevent brain injuries. a league report published just last week, in fact, shows a 24% decrease in concussions during preseason and regular season games. right now fans are settling into their seats at mercedes-benz stadium, where the patriots and the rams are about to square off in super bowl liii. new england quarterback tom brady is chasing a record sixth super bowl ring while jared goff, the underdog rams, are gunning for their first title since returning to los angeles. our coy wire is there. he's joining us. i've seen a lot of chatter, coy, about that retractable roof. open or closed for the big game? do we know? >> reporter: hi, ana. mercedes-benz stadium, i've been
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on the roof of that thing. it's about a $1.5 billion beauty, i must say. right now it is closed. the players are in there for pregame warmups, but the nfl confirmed to us that they will open it up with fans in the stands for the pregame festivities, for the national anthem, for the flyover. then in about 8 1/2 minutes, it will take it to close again. it will be closed for the big game. as a former player, i have to say, i'm not sure i would love that because it's a beautiful day. i would love to be playing under the skies. >> that is a very cool retractable roof. i was enjoying that video. coy, give us your prediction. rams or patriots? >> reporter: here we go. sean mcvay is a coaching savant. he's just 33 years old. he has a hometown advantage. he coached just across town in atlanta here in high school. he played high school football here. his young star quarterback led the second highest scoring offense in the nfl in jared goff. but jared goff was just 7 years old when tom brady won his first super bowl. february 3rd, 2002, 17 years ago
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to this day. i've played against tom twice a year every year for six years. i can't bet against him. he is the g.o.a.t., the greatest of all time. >> unbelievable. i'm a broncos fan, so i say go rams. coy wire, good to see you, my friend. thank you. >> you too. we're following a developing story out of atlanta, where a grammy nominated rapper was just arrested by i.c.e. agents, but it's their revelation about his nationality that might really surprise you. plus, breaking news on the west coast. pictures just coming in to us. these just in, in the last few minutes, showing the aftermath here of a plane crash in a california neighborhood. more on this when we come back. hey, darryl. would you choose the network rated #1 in the nation by the experts, or the one awarded by the people? uh... correct! you don't have to choose, 'cause, uh... oh! (vo) switch to the network awarded by the experts. and get apple music included, on us.
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officials arrested grammy winner rapper savage in atlanta. he is actually a resident of the united kingdom and has been in the u.s. illegally since 2006. cnn's nick valencia is joining us now. what more have you learned? >> reporter: this is shocking to a lot of us. i'm a huge hip-hop fan and getting messages, is this true? they think it's an april fool's joke. it is very real. rapper 21 savage taken into custody. oois is in the process of removing him from this country. 21 savage, even if you don't follow hip-hop or know who he is he has had an incredible influence on music here in atlanta which many argue is the capital of hip-hop. but he is not who he claims to be, a rapper from zone 6 from east atlanta, given countless interviews of gang life, growing
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cnn introduces us to the officers who went beyond the call of duty to reunite him with his family. >> reporter: deep in this swath of pine trees amongst the on fors and briars, a lost little boy was found. >> it took some time to get him out. had to pull him out of the vegetation. >> reporter: against all odds, casey was rescued 55 hours after he went missing from his great grandmother's north carolina home. it was a tip that led captain sean grier to this very spot at the edge of the woods. >> that's when we heard him say mama. >> reporter: clear as day? >> clear as day. >> reporter: he is one of the many locals who tirelessly searched for casey through rain and freezing temperatures. >> casey is a small child. he's cold and hungry. >> reporter: it was under the command of chip hughes.
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>> we started looking at the percentages what is this chance a 3-year-old child in the elements, with the wildlife that's in the area, bear, coyotes, is going to survive this. the odds were not in our favor. >> reporter: it's a search that captivated the nation and brought a community together. >> people, when they showed up, you could see the look of determination. casey, he belongs to all of us now. >> reporter: all the while, hughes promised casey's family he would bring their boy home. >> that was a tall promise made to this family and we were committed to stay until the end. >> reporter: you kept that in your mind? >> exactly. when the doors opened and i saw this 3-year-old child with his eyes open, big brown eye, it was tear jerking. it was when we made good on our promise. i would have stayed out there an entire year to make that happen. >> reporter: casey's body temperature was low, but he only had scratches. he told his parents he
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befriended a bear. his family, emotionally thanked law enforcement. >> we're very thankful you took the time out to search for casey and pray for him. >> reporter: as for grier, he'll never forget that gratitude and now keeps this picture in his office, a gift from casey's family of grier and the little boy he saved. >> i think everybody was expecting a really bad ending for this. for the ending to be so good, the little boy is home because of the efforts everybody did here. >> reporter: a reminder what he humbly calls a miracle. cnn, north carolina. you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm nana cabrera in new york. the president prepares for his state of the union of another divided government. it is possible we

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