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-csoalled politics of revenge. was he able to reset the battle, willing to take part in the compromise he's calling for. state of the union. and criminal probes widening that could put the trump administration in pearil more than the mueller probe, seeking interviews with people from president's business. and could be a huge problem for elizabeth warren if hoping to make it out of the democratic scrum in 2020, we'll show it to you. big night, what do you say, let's get after it. president made first appearance tonight before the new congress with the power to keep his presidency in check. here's a slice of one of his pitches for unity. >> we must reject the politics
of revenge, resistance and retribution and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise and the common good. >> also used the opportunity to rail against his new-found oversight, warning democrats, don't investigate me too much. doesn't only have democrats to worry about. inaugural committee was just ordered to turn documents over by subpoena, donors, finances, activities, who was giving, how. federal prosecutors. and requested interviews with executives at trump family organization. lots more to be concerned about than democrats and russia probe. former white house communications director. joining us now, anthony
scaramucci. tha thanks for coming in. grade. state of the union. >> without a teleprompter, at rally, b plus, a minus. no real gas, no incendiary thing to open up with tomorrow. if you read the speech, which i did and also watched it, lot of things universally american, applauding for cancer survivors, reminiscence of the moon landing, world war ii. >> everybody can agree. >> listen i need help on the wall and border security. >> stuck to the regular line that wall is necessary because of these things. what is the calculation? he knows half the room doesn't agree with that argument. >> he's got to figure it out.
spinning a rubik's cube, got to keep base engaged. can't have them not vote. not going to vote for democratic nominee but could walk away from the polls in 2020. keep the base engaged and seek out moderates and independents, coalition that helped him win in 2016. that speech was setup for the 2020 campaign. >> here's what happened, democrats offering money for physical barriers, not as much as he wanted. that's not new, always offered that. until now he's made the wall such a single priority it seems like political calculus has changed and don't want to give him any, even though had money. one point on the table, he walked away. now saying none, border security, not the wall. >> playing into his hands.
smart, give him something right here. >> on the physical barriers. >> let me explain why. he will push, push, turn to his base, see, i told you, you have to stay with me. look how recalcitrant these people are, how difficult it is to deal with them. not there yet. reason he pulls back, ann coulter blamed or lou dobbs or people like that but it's him. his judgment, i had lunch with general kelly on his birthday, buried the hatchet. i had a miscue, fireable offense, had a good spirited conversation. he said the president needs to make sure the base stays with him and goes to the voting booth. many of those people when you look at statistics didn't vote last two elections. saw president coming in, finally a champion of our interests,
let's turn out at the polls. if he pushes speaker pelosi or senator schumer and they don't help him, can turn to those people, did the best i could, you have to turn up at polls. felt that trip wire with coulter and dobbs, so he went back into the bucket there. if he wins re-election we'll analyze the 35-day shutdown. right now doesn't look terrific but analyze it, at least some understandings of the instincts why he did it. >> we'll see. did the general tell you he was sorry he fired you? or how he did it? >> don't want to speak for him. put it this way, had good understanding, buried the hatchet. i've been public, didn't think i needed to be fired like that, exploded out of the seat like a villain in austin powers movie. my mother is roman catholic and
she insisted i met with him. when i walked into the meeting, i said hey, first conversation lasted three minutes, you did all the talking, i did all the packing but let's develop a relationship from him. and i like him. he's an american -- chris, here's message, he's american pate ro patriot, tried to serve in the white house, did a good job, was marine, supreme sacrifice, gold star family member. i feel good about it. i hope he does. >> good for you. play a piece of sound for tonight, use as pivot for situation with the president. sound from the speech. >> an economic miracle is taking place in the united states, and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or ridiculous, partisan investigations. if there is going to be peace
and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. >> all right. so obviously they thought about that. >> he likes that. >> as idea -- >> build a wall, crime will fall. >> premise in both analogies is specious. he's got a lot of investigations going on. right wants to write it off as political payback. we haven't seen any gratuitous yet. one piquing my interest is the inaugural committee. do you know anything about it? you weren't on it? >> i was on it. donated money to it. i have to look at what i donated. listed somewhere. >> did you get a subpoena? >> i did not. wasn't involved in what i think happened there. way it's described, money came
from foreign entities and people at inaugural that shouldn't vchb have. i wasn't near any of that. if i get a subpoena i'll talk to whoever. >> did you know foreign money was coming in. >> i did is not. got a compliance speech that you can't take foreign money and you have to be careful. i went back to hedge fund managers, penance donation, didn't support in the campaign. lot of those guys did write checks, i stuck to close network of executives. >> nothing wrong with raising money, part of the business, it's who gives it to you and what they get back. >> but again in fairness to the
president, not sure that touches him, i don't think he was involved. stipulate all is true, i don't think he was involved in any of it. i don't think it's fair to attach him to it. >> do you know anything about stephanie winston will cot? >> no. she the one who made -- >> yeah. >> story i heard, entities she controlled she got money in block and had to pay out tremendous amount, didn't make the $20,000. >> entities did. she made $1.6 million, nice take from inauguration. >> do you think the probe is legit? >> i would have to say it's legit, everything i understand about the united states and rule of law and my experience having gone to law school, worked with
lawyers and friends of mine from law school work there, it's legitimate probe. whitewater situation 20 years ago, there was speciousness to that probe and elements of that going on in the probes around the president. there's a blend, some legitimate and following rule of law and rules of evidence and trip wires you need to prosecute people and some of it probably political -- >> what do you feel is gratuitous at this point with the president? >> i'm super interested if the mueller report is going to be released, did the president collude with the russians? >> or knew what people around him were doing, some of the money coming in was funny, what stone was doing or manafort? >> that's nixonian thing. >> not even.
>> wouldn't be crime. >> wouldn't look like. >> they had nixon on a crime. don't have him. >> i understand that. but there's letter of the law and spirit of the law. would be in that area, that bridge where the spirit of the law is being violated, won't look good for the president. will he escape it, be exonerated? i predict he will. if the democrats want to get rid of president trump they have to beat him at ballot box, but tough to beat because sitting president in rising economy, go all the way back, can't dislodge a sitting president in rising economy and formidable campaigner. and talk about nfl, he's verbal nfl. coming across the debate stage like ronnie lott did the secondary. >> whoever is against him, food fight. >> internationally recognized nickname for the rest of their
lives. why we should stay on the right side of him. >> too late for me. thanks. >> great to be here. we had campaign news break just before the speech tonight. senator elizabeth warren's team is doing damage control after she once went on the record identifying herself as american indian. does this matter? how much? brain trust of political minds will tackle this, next. everybod. ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪
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all right. what was tonight about? the president obviously. and his agenda. what he's accomplished. and there was message about his desire to work with democrats on a number of bases. in the crowd another group sharing the spotlight. sea of women dressed in white, why? tribute to women's suffrage, erupted in cheers when president acknowledged women in the work force and said this. >> don't sit yet, you'll like this. exactly one century after congress passed the constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have more women serving in congress than at any time before. >> interesting because most of the women cheering are those who
are vehemently opposed to him, almost all on the democratic side, started saying on this side. panel is back with me. chris, what is the significance of that? president was trying to make it a net positive. we have more women, that's good, period. let me try to get some of that love. they were standing up in opposition to him. what is meaning? >> fascinating because trump is celebrating them in one way but reason there are so many more women in congress, one of the big reasons is they were motivated to run by donald trump's victory, spurred to victory by women voting for them in many cases against donald trump. this said, i think he's bad generally speaking reading off
teleprompter in formal setting. not what he's good at, he's good riffing more. i think that moment surprised them a little bit. didn't expect it. >> weren't supposed to do that. >> he actually to his credit for someone who sometimes his asides are disastrous politically, he was fine. congratulations. he was as good as he can be in a setting like that where he's not naturally comfortable and taken aback by people seizing what he thought would be the moment, seizing it from him. probably first time i've said this about donald trump, relatively gracious in that moment. >> i thought he was very gracious. >> could have said nothing. >> he was poised, show uncharacteristic sense of humor in that moment. >> about himself, which he never does, right? >> also self-effacing. could have gone in very different direction. i wrote about this earlier.
thought it was one of the most remarkable moments in that that moment he showed this poise and graciousness either because he didn't realize the irony of this moment that they're there because women came out largely women came out to vote against his policies and republicans, or he didn't believe that two things were connected, his presidency and their midterm success, or wasn't thinking that deeply about it in the moment. whatever it was, worked on many layers. and i could analyze that 30 seconds, that minute, probably for days. >> it's the moment i do think we're talking about it, i think morning show, the women high fiving and hugging, and him there and not being offensive in that moment. >> saying congratulations, that's great. >> will be the thing -- to the extent you remember something, may be line about peace and war
and can't have investigations, second big story. but big story is that visual moment. >> but point of contrast, they were liking that, recognizing the reality, but when he was talking about the codification of roe v. wade at level, called it infant acried and cut to the faces. >> smartest speech of the presidency, red meat for the base. and made outrageous claims, if i wasn't elected we'd be at war with north korea, outrageous statement but first time in serious way tried to appeal beyond his base. appeal to moderates. goes back to conversation with scaramucci. this is a pathway to 2020, wants
to keep the base but knows to win needs moderates in. did things tonight we have never heard, paid maternity leave from donald trump? childhood cancer? hiv/aids, going to conquer this epidemic in ten years? lot went from cold, uncaring donald trump to more warmhearted person. i think it may be too late. >> it is. >> i saw your tweet. people he's reaching out to may have made decision. he does have to deal with stark contrast between what he says in moment like that and how he behaves on regular basis. and second, saying it, good, doing it better. those are tough ticket items there. i don't know what he can get done now. >> two things, it's a little late and it's not believable. this is a guy who told us as candidate, america is not that
great, in fact we need to return it to greatness and spent most of the first two years of the presidency telling us why x institution, free press, law and order, not that great either. now his newly discovered fondness for the country seems phoned in and phony. and thirdly, i'm not sure it's what anyone wants. ann coulter has already weighed in, hated the speech. his diehard supporters do not want comedy from this president. his detractors don't want democrats to reach out across the -- >> comity? >> correct. don't want unity. i knew you did. want democrats to go after the president as well. it's my sense everyone else in the middle thinks the lot of them can go away. i just don't -- i think it was unnatural and unnecessary.
>> because what is -- his natural state is more -- we played this earlier in the day on something else, i had forgotten he said this. literally says during the campaign, the american dream is dead, to s.e.'s point and during his inauguration, how could you not remember this american carnage. that's his more natural state. but will say this, pick up speech -- alien, learned the language, you read the speech. >> if there's a wall, never get in. >> have to be a space wall. that's what space force is for. if you read the speech, take donald trump out of it, i think you -- this is the to david's point, there's a lot in there i think a random democrat, showed them, what do you think of this, some of the abortion stuff obviously but can you separate the two? >> what did kellyanne say, don't
pay attention to messenger, just the message. they go together as companions. >> i think s.e. is right, seems inauthentic, a speech writer giving him a speech. his heart and soul not in there. >> there's a capra in there. and he's not capra or mr. smith. >> seems like white house is trying to pivot to different direction. maybe can pull it off. would be awfully late. if this was tone and tenor of the inaugural dress and speech in 2017, would be different presidency. >> we discuss things in ways that make sense to us but don't translate to how people live their lives. but consistency -- president has a great ability to pivot in a
moment. his lens though is always self-protective. >> today has nothing to do with yesterday or tomorrow also. >> trick for him is authenticity, believability because of that. let's take a break, come back, figure out where this leaves the president and his opposition. then a big piece of news about senator warren. don't yell at me, it's the news. we'll figure out what it means when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪
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all right. president was doing a cumbaya but not too much, railed against investigations, rhymed, so it was intentional. but state of the union, part of it a warning. we have news today and if it's any indication not just talking about bob mueller and those investigations but work of federal prosecutors in southern district of new york. hit the trump inaugural committee with subpoenas.
conflating these, could dovetail but separate as well. we have two developments. sdny stuff and stuff about elizabeth warren, should touch on both. chris christie said i'm more worried about those than the mueller probe. why? >> could be easier to prove. foreigners giving money and have records, could find things more rapidly than in complex situations. i do think we ought to be cautious assuming they're going to find wrongdoing. tom barrett who ran the inaugural has reputation of being honest person around trump and ceo. >> but did he know what was going on? >> he would say he had control and ran tight ship but things
may have happened he doesn't know about. >> caution is right always, 100%. however why i would be a little worried. southern district had a couple of big wins on this. there is politics at play. not saying to go after trump but optic, i don't care what they say, we're doing great, let's not go after something and miss because will make everything we did look like it was -- that's part of the calculus. not supposed to say this, they'll say not political but law and facts. but let's be honest. >> there's a momentum of these things and they're not unaware how they're perceived and how it lands in the political environment dealing with the president of the united states' company or former company, run by his sons. >> want to look at everybody who gave money and what they got,
that's why dovetailing with the trump organization, who gave money, what people got for it. just allegations. >> question is how do you prove that? lots of donors to democrats and republicans give money because they're aware that money helps them get access to the candidate or bend the ear on something. >> did guy from saudi family give you money to give to me for my inauguration. >> that's different as if i write you e-mail, hey i'll give $2,000 to trump inaugural but you need to do x. transactional, no, broadly, hey like to give, remember i gave to the committee, that stuff does happen. does it reach the level of proof or funneling of foreign money obviously against the law? i don't know, people have always told me, russia stuff is not
good but it's trump's finances, cohen, these are the people who really know where trump is truly vulnerable. because he has -- says this all the time because can't release tax returns because very complicated financial structure. i think that's true, he does have complicated financial structure. could be problematic under a deep dig. >> common point of confusion for people, mueller is not just looking for crimes. people say yes, he is, that's statute. i know what statute said but top line of rosenstein's letter, look for proof or coordination and contact with those involved in russian interference, that's not necessarily a crime. anthony was quick tonight, scaramucci, to say no matter what happened with the inaugural committee, i don't know that
president knew anything about it. at what point does that get tired for the american people? didn't know what stone was doing, manafort was doing, other half dozen guys, your own inaugural committee, your cabinet people. at what point does that become a problem? >> two competing forces here. that, this idea gosh there's a preponderance of accusations and maybe evidence, american people may just decide don't believe what president says. other force is political idea there's a witch hunt, i don't believe it but that narrative that president has drummed about the mueller investigation has been successful, worked to undermine -- >> especially the idea if it's not a crime it's all fine. very trumpy, it rhymes.
this elizabeth warren stuff. she's been dogged about this. now what's on your screen now, from 1986, it is state bar of texas registration. what does that mean? could mean almost nothing, this was something she gave -- how identified in the logs of those admitted to texas bar. not her asking to be a lawyer, nothing that significant but her on a piece of paper saying i'm an american indian, this is the kind of hammer she hands to trump he will beat her out of the race with? >> absolutely. he'll celebrate it. >> senator from hawaii laughed it off. doesn't matter. he's the liar, she's okay. >> there's a growing view in democratic party, not going to tolerate anything that puts shadow over the capacity to win in 2020, that's essentially zero
to tolerance. i think she will be under pressure to explain herself and explain why she filled it out this way. i have had conversations with her and came away with respect, she's more practical and pragmatic than i expected. but this is something she hasn't handled well and given the stumbles and how he jumped on them, there's need for her to come forward and clear it up once and for all. >> came out, boston herald in the campaign against scott brown, said i was unaware of was listed in directories, i never volunteered that information. sought no advantage from it, didn't know about it. this is not to say she sought advantage, as you say,
registration card, benefitted not at all from it. but suggests that i was unaware that anyone ever claimed i was american indian is not right. issue is she can't tell her story -- so much of presidential campaign is you don't know me, i'm going to tell you who i am. now that story is so clouded, every time she talks about the story is donald trump calling her pocahontas, and is it dna test, can you claim based on blood or dna, a swirl that does her no good. >> nothing has defined a candidate as well and as badly as pocahontas. i don't like it. some of this is unforced. she walked into this, releasing dna test, disastrous, releasing video about oklahoma roots, walking into it, disastrous, i don't see how she shakes it off.
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president's legal woes will likely not disappear soon, even when the mueller probe ends. probes included whether collusion with russia, finances, trump organizations finances and taxes. trump organization funding, super pac funding and trump foundation. yet the president warned tonight of economic doom if the investigations continued. bakari sellers and steve cortez, steve, make the case for why the
investigations must cease if we're to enjoy prosperity? >> that's a bit of a reach. this president has been incredible creating jobs, also good at creating -- situation has been good at creating jobs for lot of attorneys on both sides. mueller probe, sdny or his personal lawyers. i think there are a rot lot of reasons why the mueller probe is wrong and needs to wrap up quickly as possible, but tie to the economy is a stretch. >> bakari, how much oversight is too much? >> i don't think there is such a thing. house or united states congress has a constitutional responsibility for oversight. there was just cause for mueller to get involved and investigate. irony is no drama obama, served eight years, no indictments, arrests, imprisonments, someone
who served two years and enough people to fill up county jail who worked for president or in his orbit and more to come i think. we would watch the clips from rallies and he would say drain the swamp. he drained it and filled it with his own alligators, culture of corruption in d.c. unlike anything we've seen in long time, in my lifetime, only 34 years, give you that. but culture of corruption, cancerous and permissive and pervasive throughout all facets of the administration. >> there's nothing bakari could have said that hurt as badly as his age. i almost went to commercial. 34, this tie is 34 years old. >> we're too old to be up this late, chris. he's younger. >> i could be your daddy.
regarding culture of corruption, before we exonerate the obama administration, the obama doj, including the fbi was weaponized against the trump campaign under the guise of national security, which i think broke countless laws and those figures yet to be -- >> give me specifics. >> taking opposition research from fusion gps, dressing it up as though it's real evidence and presenting to court to surveillance. >> some corroborated, others from dossier. >> most salacious parts not corroborated. >> they didn't use those. >> not okay for the hillary clinton campaign and democratic party to pay for opposition research and use the national security of the united states and weaponize.
>> fact checking the question. question to you bakari is about distinguish what hillary clinton did in terms of getting oppo research from what was done allegedly by the members of the trump campaign and russian interference. >> that's easy. first to add a slight fact check, need steve and everyone else to understand this was commissioned by republicans first in the primary season, opposition research always done in campaigns. seeing what happens in virginia when you don't do that research. >> fact check i was going to bring up, captain benghazi said the fisa were about -- said
didn't have problem on that basis. >> i do. >> bakari, what the distinction? >> she did not have campaign chair, deputy chain chair and other people in her orbit plead guilty to crimes. that's the difference. donald trump literally had criminals working for him. don't say that sensationalistically, i don't know if that's a word, don't sensationalize that, but people who stood in federal court, said i committed crimes. his own personal lawyer admitted on the behest of individual one, president of the united states, he committed federal election law violations, serious stuff. >> i agree. >> this is the difference between hillary clinton and donald trump. >> steve, counter. >> if he actually committed it, crucial point, if michael cohen did commit crimes at behest of
president trump would be big deal. he said he did, doesn't mean he did. cohen was caught with serious crimes unrelated to donald trump, serious financial crimes unrelated to donald trump as president or private citizen. but when the government, you know this as lawyers, when the government has you, they have you, get you to plead to things you may have successfully fought if you weren't guilty of other terrible crimes. could have fought it. >> i was in federal court today, i am often. that's not true in the way that federal government and united states attorneys who do diligent work day in, day out work. they have rate because they do good work. not getting people to admit to
crimes to fulfill a quota. >> that conviction rate is nothing to brag about. not illustrative of a free society, hear from totalitarian regimes, once in snares, hardly ever miss. conviction rate backs up my supposition that he had to plead guilty to that because had -- >> could have done it any way he wanted to but know you're looking at more time if you fight it than admit what you did. never thought would see so many members of the right go after the fbi and doj as we do these days, always thought you embraced them. >> not rank and file, tens of thousands of people doing dangerous work. >> distinction. >> it's critical distinction. >> bosses bubble up through the
ranks and respected -- >> donald trump -- >> cooperators. >> donald trump appointed united states attorney in southern district of new york. what are we talking i'm sure if everything goes sideways, the president will say he never who he was. thank you. speaker pelosi tweeted tonight that it will, quote, take days, to fact-check president trump's misrepresentations. does she have a basis? let's have a real fact-check from our team right now, going through the words, facts and reality. acid visibly plumps skin and reduces wrinkles. bounce back! new revitalift hyaluronic acid serum from l'oreal. you won't find relief here. congestion and pressure? go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d.
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memories. what we deliver by delivering. the president made a lot of claims, not unusual in the state of the union. and not a lot of new policies. but lots of big talk on how things are going two years into this administration. with the president's penchant for abusing the truth, we need to dig into what is fact and what is fallacy. tom foreman is here to help us with that. what have you got, my friend? >> chris, what the president likes to talk about as much as immigration is the economy.
and so he did tonight. >> more people are working now than at any time in the history of our country. 157 million people at work. all americans can be proud that we have more women in the workforce than ever before. >> when it comes to the economy, he does have things he can brag about. the unemployment rate has been very, very low. and, yeah, the number of people working has risen. but here's a little context to bear in mind here. generally, men and women alike, that number goes up because the country gets bigger. many presidents could say that. and when you look at this as a percentage of the population, we're still below where we were before the great recession came along in 2008. and women, yeah, they made a lot of strides here. but compared to other advanced economies, they're not doing that great, american women. if you look at the raw numbers,
what he said is true, but there's a lot of caveats there. he said a lot of things about people in minority communities. >> african-american, hispanic-american, and asian-american unemployment have all reached their lowest levels ever recorded. >> have all reached -- this is trickier because, yeah, last year that's what they reached. and that's what he was apparently talking about because since then, they have gotten a little bit not so good. they're still in pretty good shape but not here. the fact that he only talked about what they have reached and didn't mention this, means in the past tense, what he said was true, and the current tense, what he had to say was false. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you for watching. we're going to have an encore of the skate tate of the union and democratic response. and we're going to do it right now.
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and we're watching the introduction of the members of the trump cabinet. they'll be seated and well-received there. there's the director of national intelligence, matt whitaker. >> there's five of these cabinet officials are acting. they have not been confirmed by the senate. the senate is, of course, under the advise and consent duty, supposed to confirm officials. there's cia director haskell. we saw dan coats just a few seconds ago. there he is to the left. and just a week ago, they talked -- they were saying -- testifying before congress and contradicting the