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a little bit. and then he was able to use his hands, arms and feet to choke the animal. >> my goodness. the runner suffered serious injuries but has since been released from the hospital, officials said. that is quite the survival story. thanks so much for joining me today. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. folks ask this after every state of the union. how does the president turns his words into action? but with this president it's an even bigger question today. nine days away from another government shutdown, did the president move the needle at all toward a deal and away from putting federal workers once again out of a job.
>> in the past, most of the people in this room voted for a wall, but the proper wall never got built. i will get it built. this is a smart, strategic, see-through steel barrier, not just a simple concrete wall. it will be deployed in the areas identified by the border agents as having the greatest need. simply put, walls work and walls save lives. >> and something that did not happen last night, the president making good on his threat to declare a national emergency to go around congress to get the money that he wants for the wall. at this point, is that what counts as progress? abby phillip is live at the white house once again. what are you hearing about the possibility of a government shutdown? >> reporter: well, there does not seem to be any change today
from the day before or the day before that. at the moment things still stand that the president and the white house are waiting for congressional negotiators to figure something out by that february 15th deadline. if they don't, they've kept open the possibility of another government shutdown or that the president might declare a national emergency in order to build the wall. last night the president's language on the wall and border security was as strong as we've ever heard it. he talked about thousands of immigrants coming up through the southern border in caravans. so no change there. this morning vice president mike pence was asked about whether the president or the white house regretted the shutdown, here is what he had to say. >> do you think the shutdown was a mistake? >> i never think it's a mistake to stand up for what you believe in. i think what the american people
admire most about this president is he says what he means and he means what he says in a very real sense. the american people saw this president as absolutely determined to keep his word to secure our border and end the crisis of illegal immigration. >> reporter: the president may not think it was a mistake, but he did not mention the 35-day government shutdown at all during his speech last night. that was pretty telling considering that was such an important period and a lengthy period of time after which he did not get his wall. >> and the president largely kept to the script that was laid out last night, but he did ad lib a bit saying at one point that he wants legal immigrants coming in in the larger numbers ever. is that what the president's policy has been? >> reporter: that certainly seemed like a bit of hiyperbole
last night. he is pushing congress to try to limit legal immigration, trying to restrict the visa lottery system that the president beliefs belie believes is a sort of boondoggle. they want a merit based system which narrows the path for immigrants to come into the united states. the president has also talked increasingly in recent days as a result of some conversations he's been having with business leaders and ceos around the country about the idea that the u.s. actually needs more workers, not fewer. there is record low unmoi unemployment. more and more president trump is starting to talk about the need for more workers to come into the country. >> great to see you.
thank you. so in congress, where do negotiations actually stand? right now as those 17 lawmakers are still said to be meeting and working to avoid another government shutdown? cnn's lauren fox is on capitol hill following this angle for us. what are you hearing? >> reporter: there's a lot of optimism at the moment about the potential for a government shutdown deal, a deal to avert that shutdown. now, i will say that senators and house members are meeting with border officials this morning to get a sense of what they need on the southern border. and perhaps that's a way to sort of move democrats and republicans off their respective talking points. if border officials come to them and say we need a barrier here, we need more border agents here and we need technology there, i think that's potentially a way for both sides to find a middle ground. there is a big question about how involved the president himself should be in these negotiations. you hear from democrats saying if the president stays out of
this, we can get a deal. here's what chuck schumer had to say about president trump's involvement. >> i believe, john, if the president stays out of it, we will get a deal, a good deal that democrats and republicans, house and senate can support. it's when the president weighs in with his unrealistic heavy hand that things get messed up. if he stays out of it, yes, i believe the odds are very high we will get a deal. >> reporter: at the end of the day the president has to sign any negotiation this conference committee comes up with. where is he going to be when the conference kmicommittee announc that they get a deal and is he going to sign it. joining me right now is david jolly a former republican congressman from florida and molly ball a national political correspondent for "time."
is there any better sense right now from your reporting what president trump will accept from congress? no matter what chuck schumer says, it still needs to be signed. >> sure. it's very difficult to product trump from one day to the next because he can be so inconsistent that even the things he says are subject to change. however, i do think you heard signals in that speech last night of where he's building himself some wiggle room. he didn't issue an ultimatum. he didn't talk about a national emergency. he didn't talk about the shutdown, which i think was a way of saying he wants to move on from that. the shutdown was not a good experience for the white house or republicans on capitol hill. i don't think they want to do it again despite the president's bluster. so i think you did hear signals in the speech. while of course he advocated very strongly for the wall, he does seem to be potentially building himself some wiggle room to accept something that doesn't go as far as he originally said he demanded.
>> and congressman, mike pence saying this morning that he couldn't guarantee that there won't be another government shutdown and also saying that the last shutdown was not a mistake, and he also said the president says what he means and means what he says. on a factual basis, ask any republican congressman or senator, they will say i actually don't agree with you, vice president pence. >> right. >> no one speaks for president trump other than trump. that is very clear. who can congress depend onto know where the compromise is? >> they can't depend on donald trump or mike pence. pence was wrong. the government shutdown was a mistake. it was a mistake politically for the president. we've set up the almost a binary choice between a deal on capitol hill or a national emergency. the reality is we very likely might see both. what i mean by that is donald trump wants to avoid a government shutdown, so he very
well may sign whatever capitol hill sends to him and still go ahead with a national emergency declaration because it doesn't satisfy the wall. this is where donald trump arguably may have set a perfect trap for hill negotiators, democrats and republicans. the one thing i think democrats are overlooking, an opportunity missed, is i believe they should already be declaring victory. recall donald trump said mexico is going to pay for it, it's going to be a concrete wall. donald trump has already acknowledged mexico is not going to pay for it. he now says we don't need a concrete wall. we just need a pedestrian barrier in geographically targeted areas. that is the democratic position. they should say, thank you, mr. president, for coming over to our side, declare victory to the american people and give the president funding for the steel slats that are geographically targeted. >> but alas that's not what's happening right now. molly, should folks think of this as at this point less of a
state of the union setting the agenda for the coming year of a presidency and more of a speech lag out somethi laying out something of a blueprint for his reelection campaign? >> we always talk about the state of the union being a speech to the american people going over the heads of the people in washington. but to an unusual degree this state of the union had to be pitched toward the people in this room as well because the president's status with his own party on capitol hill is seen to be more tenuous than it's been in the past. and because he faces for the first time a divided congress rather than a fully republican congress. so part of what i think he aimed to do was rally republicans behind him. that extends perhaps to republicans across the country trying to convince his base or those softer republican supporters that he still has an optimistic vision, plans, an agenda, that it hasn't all been
terminated by all of the chaos and the investigations and so on. but i do think that part of his audience was in that room and they really need a pep talk right now, because republicans on capitol hill have been pretty discouraged watching the white house's strategy and watching the president do things that they aren't so sure about, frankly. >> and saying things and then flipping on his position and then flipping on it once again. >> and leaving them holding the bag frequently, yes. >> flolook no further than mitc mcconnell. mcconnell said they're not going to pass anything until they know the president is going to sign it and that's why they didn't move forward. that now mcconnell has said let the congress do their will and let the president sign it. before the speech the "new york
times" and "washington post" reporting that he was not walking the walk hours before, calling chuck schumer a nasty s.o.b. to a room full of journalists in a lunch just hours before the speech. i want to play how chuck schumer responded to that this morning. >> so much for inclusiveness, so much for working together. i criticize the president. that's part of my job as leader and part of my job as an american. and his answer should be on the merits. i said yesterday it got under his skin evidently that 364 days of the last year he's divisive. we hope this one day speech, if it emphasizes some kind of comedy will be more than a day. instead of answering that on the merits, he uses an epithet. that's like a 10-year-old in a schoolyard. it just doesn't work. >> this is where it is right now. it is name calling. do you declare at this moment here and now that we can forget everything that we heard in this
speech if that's where this ends up? >> we can forget most state of the union addresses. it was a disciplined but forgettable speech. most state of the union addresses are forgettable but for bush 43 saying axis of evil, bill clinton, the year of big government is over. the reality is the president owns the stage. whatever party delivers comments that can't really be checked in realtime from the floor and it becomes very forgettable. to molly's point about 2020 and the audience, there was a line where the president set up what i believe is the contrast going into 2020. it's when he said america will never be a socialist nation. for good or bad, fairly or not, the reality is republicans are going to create that contrast going into 2020. elections are decided based on the contrast of the candidates, often not the facts. donald trump laid out, we are going to be a deserve partconse
party, not a socialist nation. there's nothing that was said last night that is credible, believable or memorable. >> i did find that moment also pretty surprising, molly. of course cameras cut immediately to bernie sanders at that juncture. >> yeah. i think the congressman is absolutely right, that that is going to be a central part of the reelection message. the question will be whether it's true, of course, whether the candidate that the president is facing actually does support socialism because some democrats openly do and some do not. and secondly whether the american people find it persuasive. we saw in the midterms the republicans' plan was to run against nancy pelosi and that didn't work. the question is whether the american people will consider that the most important issue as we go into 2020. state of the unions are mostly forgettable, but i do think that in every speech a leader has an opportunity to make choices about what they want to send.
it does tell us something, maybe less with this president because we know he can read a speech and say something completely different or even ad lib something in the middle of the speech that contradicts his administration's stated policies. but i do think you see the white house proceeding with the same argument on immigration, trying to persuade the american people. they are not changing their argument or their emphasis. he's going to continue to put immigration front and center and make the same argument over and over. >> and as you say, there are choices that they make in what's in the speech and what's not. also surprising is that a republican president talked nothing about deficits or the federal debt or social security and entitlements. thanks, guys. coming up for us, it is some of the most highly anticipated testimony in the russia
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why? that's where it really starts getting . >> reporter: it's another development, that highly anticipated testimony that democrats and republicans were eager to hear from michael cohen about why he lied to this committee when he testified back in 2017 about that trump tower moscow project. he said at the time it ended january 2016. turns out it was much later than that, at least through the mid summer. why did he make those comments? he's not going to be able to say that on friday because that testimony has now been delayed until later this month. what adam schiff said in a pretty terse statement was that in the interests of the investigation that they're going to delay this closed door hearing. we don't know exact ly what he' referring to, the mueller investigation or the southern
district of new york. we're not clear exactly what adam schiff was referring to. there was also an expectation that the house oversight committee was going to hear from cohen in a public setting. that was supposed to happen tomorrow. that was delayed. the chairman of that committee elijah cummings has not said if that will happen or when that will happen, although he's insisted it will happen publicly. >> adding to that now, the intel committee has made some important moves regarding transcripts related to the russia investigation. >> reporter: the house intelligence committee just moments ago in its first act in the democratic controlled house voted to send those transcripts of those russia witnesses who testified before the russia investigation in the last congress. they doctare going to send thos
transcripts to bob mueller's team, the special counsel investigating russian interference in the elections. this has been a long time coming. adam schiff has insisted on those transcripts going over the bob mueller's investigation because he believes some of these people -- information they provided could help the investigation and also they may not have been telling the committee truthful things and perhaps were misleading this committee. the question is what does bob mueller do with this. >> joining me is cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor for the southern district of new york jennifer rogers. on michael cohen and this delay, the wording from adam schiff is piquing everybody's interest. do you think folks should start reading the tea leaves on that? >> i don't think it means much, to be honest with you. i was kind of surprised that
right out of the gate they felt it so important to go with michael cohen's testimony given so many things this committee should be looking at with vast conflicts of interest with the president, the cabinet and ethical lapses. there's really no rush to get michael cohen to correct his testimony. you also have to remember this committee is staffing up right now. they're hiring staffers with expertise in investigation. it may be -- i don't think it's that big of a deal. they'll get to him eventually. i hope their turn their attention to some of these more pressing matters that have been ignored for the last two years. >> michael cohen is subject of one of the many investigations going on in the trump orbit. cnn's reporting that the southern district, your former shop, is now requesting
interviews with executives within the trump organization. it is also not clear on what topic, where the area of interest is for those interviews. but what does your gut tell you? >> it's clearly the hush money payments we have michael cohen pleading guilty to that. they're now looking to see who else is chargeable at the trump organization. we know from the documents there's someone named executive 2 who basically had to be asked by the cfo to get these coverup payments to michael cohen. it could be eric trump, it could be don junior who is itch kampl in all of this. there's another possibility too, which is they're broadening their look at the trump
organization to look at other crimes unrelated to the hush money payments. they may be looking into corporate type crimes like tax fraud or accounting fraud. that can be federal crimes and also can be state crimes. >> does that suggest from what you know that they're in the beginning, the middle or the end? does it give you a timing suggestion? >> i think they're closer to the end. remember that they already have talked to weissleberg and cohen. if they are shifting gears toward more of these books and records types of crimes that maybe could be charged in new york state by the new york attorney general, which would mean they couldn't be pardoned by the president, which is why they might be interested in that, that's going to be more at the beginning, i think. >> also offering up more evidence that the southern district of new york might offer more trouble to trump in the
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elizabeth warren hasn't officially announced she's running yet for president but she's already dealing with a revelation that could throw it in jeopardy. the "washington post" is reporting that elizabeth warren listed her race on the document as american indian when registering for the texas bar back in 1986. this wasn't checking a box as you see there. this was her handwriting in her own words on that form. just last week, senator warren apologized to cherokee nation for claiming native american heritage in the past. her spokesperson say said senator warren has said she is not a citizen of any tribe. she is sorry she was not more mindful of this earlier in her career. she's been dealing with this for years. i do wonder why this is coming out now.
>> she was listed as native american in 2012 during her campaign against scott brown. it didn't help her campaign, but she won relatively easily so it didn't disqualify her. the reason it's coming up now is becauseshe wanted to run for president. she released this video saying here's everything, here's the record. i did this dna testing. it suggests she has native american heritage blood back six or seven generations. problem not solved because cherokee nation says blood or dna testing doesn't determine your heritage. then we have this latest report which goes a little bit further in this one regard. prior she had been listed in the harvard law school directory as native american. she essentially said throughout
i didn't really know about that. i gain no benefit from it. the problem with this is this isn't some staffer filled it out or it was a mixup. this is her writing on a form in which he fi her form which disputes the notion that i never really claimed it as my own before. >> it's not going away. what does this do to her rollout? >> it's really problematic. you don't lose the presidency on this. here's what's important. when you run for president, a big piece of it, a really big piece of it is telling your story. sure, people in massachusetts know her, but they don't know her story. she was raised in oklahoma, lower middle class family. it's a pretty remarkable ascent to where she is now. the problem is when you tell
what should be a very compelling story, every story, reporter question, attack from republicans will say is she native american? and it will mean tweets from donald trump. >> i'm curious to hear if she just didn't remember she had done this yet again. when you're exploring running for president, you need to get everything out there before somebody else does. >> the thing that makes me think she did know about it or at least knew the "washington post" had it, last week five days ago they leaked out that she had called the head of the cherokee nation and apologized. we were sort of like, okay. i mean, the video came out in october. why now? then you see this and think, oh, well, maybe this is why now. >> so far the other democratic
kan candidates have played nice and said it's all of us against donald trump. >> when you see someone swirling downward as a candidate, why get involved? she's made enough trouble for herself. i don't know that if you're kamala harris or any of these people if you really need to get involved. do you really need to say, i wonder why elizabeth warren isn't telling the whole truth? in the first debates in june that will be an issue. this speaks to our point, this is the first thing that elizabeth warren is going to get asked about and her opponents are going to get asked about. it keeps recycling. until there's clarity and the average person believes you, you're going to keep doing it. this just makes it harder to do that. >> i'm interested to hear if elizabeth warren comes out to speak about this. putting herself out there could,
i don't know, maybe answer some questions or help. >> she talked to the "washington post" on tuesday night and said i can't go back and change this. i've always thought she needs to give some sort of big speech that tries to in a broadway explain why she thought what she thought, why she did what she did, why it was wrong and how she's moving on. the problem is she's not even an announced candidate for president yet. you can't really give that speech before you're in the race. then once you're in the race, when do you do it? this is the problem. coming up for us, president trump calling congressional oversight ridiculous partisan investigations, even say thass e they're going to hurt the economy. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100.
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astrazeneca may be able to help. president trump said a lot in his 80-minute speech last night. did he also unveil a new campaign slogan? listen to this. >> if there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. it just doesn't work that way. >> the president's clear message to the new democratic house majority even before they get started, get off my back. so where do things stand now? joining me is karen bass, the democratic woman from california
on the house judiciary committee. when you heard that last night from president trump, did you take that as some kind of a threat? >> no, i don't take it as a threat. i just take it as another example of him still not understanding how the democratic process works. he said it just doesn't work this way. no, actually it does. there are three coequal branches of government and one of our primary responsibilities in the house of representatives and the senate is to provide oversight over the administration. this is the new reality he is going to have to get used to. i hope somebody sits him down and explains the democratic process. >> maybe put another way, the president might be saying that it's a democratic house majority spends the bulk of their time and committee resources on looking into him and his administration with investigations, then they're not going to have time doing anything else. >> well, i think that's exactly not true. we are going to do our
responsibility. the thing is, one of the reasons why he's confused is because for the last two years there has been no oversight over this administration at all. so he's going to have to get used to that reality. i can guarantee you that the democratic majority has a very robust proactive positive agenda that we are going to fight for over these next few years. so he's going to see that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> we're all watching as that plays out. speaking of walking and chewing gum at the same time, your committee has oversight over the justice department, of course. matt whittaker is testifying before your committee on friday. >> yes. >> the chairman jerry nadler has already said he's having a subpoena drafted though in case whittaker doesn't show up or claims executive privilege to avoid answering some questions. why draft the subpoena ahead of time? do you have an indication he's not going to answer questions? >> i think we have to be prepared for that. it's not really clear because
the administration doesn't quite understand the role of the house of representatives, it's not clear they're going to comply. secretary nielsen said she was not going to come before the house homeland security committee. and the chairman benny thompson had to prepare a subpoena. before he enacted that subpoena, she did agree to testify. i think it's absolutely right that we need to prepare subpoenas, because we don't know whether this administration plans to cooperate. hopefully they will understand the coequal branches of government before too long and realize it's their obligation to comply when called before the house. >> i mean, say he shows up. he still has the subpoena drafted. do you see a scenario where the chairman hands whittaker a subpoena in the middle of a hearing? >> no, i don't. i think if whittaker comes, for goodness sake, i would hope he comes with the intention of being compliant. i don't know whether the chairman would hand him a subpoena right there at the
hearing. but you know what? if that's what he needs to do to get them to understand that they need to comply with the way our government operates, then so be it. >> what do you most want to hear from the acting attorney general or what is your big question right now? >> well, i think the main thing is whether or not he is going to try to block the mueller report, because we don't know whether or not that report will become available before a new attorney general is sworn in. so i think that's one thing. and then also for him to be accountable for all of the statements that he's made basically saying that a president cannot and should not be held accountable. we need to know, okay, that's what you said on cnn, but now that you're in this position, where do you stand. >> how confident are you that the mueller report will be made public? >> well, you know what, i don't know. the question will be whether or not this administration tries to block it from becoming public.
i can't imagine that mueller wouldn't want it to become public, but we will see. we will see if the administration tries to block it and there will be a standof between the two. i think at the end of the day it will become public. it's absolutely critical that it become public. the whole country has been waiting over the last two years, what is going on. and the idea that he would complete the investigation and then it would be squashed, i think there would be a terrible backlash in the country. >> even from the perspective of republicans, senator chuck grassley, his point is the american taxpayers paid for this investigation, they should see what comes out of it. >> absolutely. >> you are also the chair of the congressional black caucus. >> yes. >> you have called for the virginia governor to resign over the racist photo and his reaction to it, quite frankly. >> that's right. >> the lieutenant governor -- virginia politics is a mess right now because the lieutenant governor is facing a sexual assault allegation that he has vehemently denied.
the woman vanessa tyson is working with the same firm that representativ representatived christine blasey ford. should this woman be heard now? >> absolutely she should be. i don't believe in a double standard at all. i first of all think the governor should step down. that's a separate issue. if the lieutenant governor were to assume the governor's position -- and i don't know what the process is in virginia, but i think she absolutely should be heard. whatever process is appropriate in virginia should be followed. maybe he wouldn't be able to take the seat. maybe it would have to go to the attorney general. i don't know what the specific situation is, but i do not believe in a double standard and i do believe everybody should be held accountable. >> thank you so much for being here. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. just in for us, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, he says the now democratically
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moments ago the chairman of the house intelligence committee says his committee is now expanding the parameters of the committee's investigation beyond russia. let's get right over to manu raju who has the reporting for us. what did he say and what does it mean? >> he's talking about a broad investigation into financial interests that may be driving the president's decision making.
he said this could encompass several house committees and want just the house intelligence committee, but others as well that could go beyond russia and saudi arabia. he made it very clear it will be an expansive and thorough probe. >> we will also be announcing the parameters of our investigation which go beyond russia, but in some will allow us to investigate an incredible allegation that financial interests or other interests are driving decision making of the president or anyone in the administration. we will be conducting our investigation to make sure that the country is protected. >> i also tried to ask him about why they delayed that friday testimony from michael cohen, the president's former attorney and former fixer. he would not say anything beyond their statement from this morning and it was in the interest of the investigation and he does expect cohen to be fully cooperative with the committee and this committee is very active as you can hear from
adam schiff saying this will be a thorough investigation beyond russia encompassing several committees looking at financial decisions driving this president's own personal interests so we'll see what that actually encompasses. we expect more details later today from this committee about what exactly they'll be looking into, kate? >> if the president was hoping for less investigations the democratic is responding with a resounding no. a race for 2020 and it could answer one of the biggest questions right now. should joe biden get in? that's ahead. ♪ you want a fresh-smelling home, but some air fresheners use heavy, overwhelming scents. introducing febreze one; a new range of innovative air fresheners with no heavy perfumes that you can feel good about using in your home to deliver a light, natural-smelling freshness. febreze one neutralizes stale, stuffy odors and releases a subtle hint of fragrance like bamboo or lemongrass ginger.
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