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though? >> chief -- legal -- analyst. >> i love it. >> adam schiff isn't just crossing the red line. he's trotting on it. >> he is. what's different now is when the president introduced the phrase it was about the mueller investigation which he ultimately has the authority to stop. he can fire mueller. he can't do anything about adam schiff. absolutely nothing. adam schiff is a representative of a coordinate branch of government who is answerable to the voters in los angeles and to nancy pelosi and the leadership of the house democrats. if anything, they want him to be more confrontational, not less. the president's leverage is so completely transformed from where it was when he first made that red line remark. the world is just different. >> susan, let me ask you this -- and a nod to your great piece in the new yorker, welcome to trump's 2020 campaign.
on this i wonder if you believe there is a political risk here for democrats in terms of overreaching. yes, they can do everything jeffly laid out and the president can't do a thing about it. there is an interesting abc/washington post poll that said 46% of democrats are concerned that they will go as a party too far, democratic lawmakers, in investigating the president. is there a risk in overreach? >> it's so crucial that people believe there is a form of process fairness in order for any outcome to have credibility. the real problem right now, of course, is that you are talking about one party leading and driving the investigation. does that make that a partisan conclusion? whatever facts they turn up, are they going to be facts people agree are facts or not? already i was on last night on cnn with a republican who already was dismissing every
single investigation that wasn't the mueller investigation as the product of partisan prosecutors or partisan members of congress. to me, that's the real danger inherent in this. for example, if they go into the president's tax returns and find something missing that he's been trying to cover up by not releasing them, is that a partisan act or information that the american public needed to know? i think there is a risk factor. >> there is a rich tradition in presidential candidates releasing tax returns before the election as opposed to this case, it would be before his re-election bid. there is a reason the president set it up as a red line in theory. there is a reason why he didn't want robert mueller looking at his money. we just don't know what the reason is. >> we may find out soon as the democrats go full steam ahead with significant investigations calling for the president to release or basically allow the president's tax returns to go to
congress and become potentially public consumption. they have several investigations into his business practices, into his debt and loans he may have taken out with various banks. the big question is with so many people around the president who have been charged or who have pled guilty to a number of different crimes, some of them financial in nature, why are there so many people around the president who are subject to criminal investigation and in many cases lied to investigators. sometimes lied to investigators about their financial transactions. sometimes lied to investigators about their relations with russian officials. it is not clear why so many people around the president were goes back to the president and - has to do with his business dealings. that's a question that democrats in congress are looking to find out. it's part of their constitutional oversight responsibilities to find out if there is any reason the president might be compromised. i think they are going full steam ahead with trying to
figure out the information and letting the public know. it just happens to be something that would benefit them politically. i think they want to keep it in the headlines and potentially have this be something that makes it difficult for the president to run for re-election in 2020. i think the oversight responsibility is paramount and it is important they know whether or not there is something keeping the president compromised. >> help people understand why business dealings that the president may or may not have had before he was president, before he even ran, could be so critical here. >> buzzfeed did a fabulous chart this week about comparing the negotiations for trump tower moscow and the documents that michael cohen and others negotiated at the same time with the president's statements about vladimir putin. his very solicitous statements about putin during the campaign. the question is was the
president talking about relations with russia with the interests of the united states at heart or was he trying to cultivate vladimir putin to get a business deal in moscow? what was the president's motivation? is he doing the people's business or his own personal business? that, i think, is a very profound question. it is legitimate for the congress to investigate that. it just shows why this stuff matters. it's not just political points-scoring. it's about whether the president of the united states is negotiating with the interests of the country at heart which is what he's supposed to be doing. >> saudi arabia, a big question mark. >> okay. that's right. that's just a start, yes. >> poppy mentioned your piece in the new yorker, susan. you looked at the state of the union address, not necessarily as a speech that was about where the country is going but about where the campaign is going -- 2020. i agree. it was a great piece. not just because i happened to
agree with it, but largely. it was a curtain-raiser on 2020. it did include a very important section on how he will approach the investigations going forward. >> well, that's right. thank you. i'm glad you agree with the column. i'll try to always write pieces you agree with. i saw this as the opener of the 2020 campaign. first we know trump made illegal immigration bashing the centerpiece of his rhetoric since he launched his 2016 campaign. what we see now is twinning that with attacks on democrats as socialists, essentially portraying america if it returns to democratic rule as a venezuelan socialist hellscape. you're right we may look back on one line in particular of trump's speech in which he seemed to make a weird linkage between the boom economy he says he's generated and that democrats can bring it to an end with what he called there,
ridiculous partisan investigations. he followed it up this morning as you pointed out whinging about what he calls presidential harassment. he looks the weakest when he's complaining about the investigations publicly, lamenting the fact that democrats are so mean to him and beating up on the most powerful man in the world. it suggests, again, that president trump knows there's something to find out there. he has continued to act in the most destructive way really towards these investigations. it's really something that we are going to look back on. we don't know the ending of the story yet. everyone this week was playing the richard nixon state of the union clip from 1974 when he says, one year of watergate is too much. nine months later he was gone. that may not be the outcome in this case but it is frustrating to be in the middle of the
story. we don't know the ending yet. >> susan glasser with the verb of the morning. the president was whinging. >> in 280 characters or less. >> repeatedly. >> another shocking story this morning. what is happening in virginia? john. >> i have the headline. this is "the new york post," virginia is for losers. >> it's the post. that's a headline and we chuckle but what's happening there is very serious. you have will the governor resign because of wearing blackface, another coming forward admitting he wore blackface. the lieutenant governor, justin fairfax, denying sexual assault allegations from a 42-year-old professor. the fourth in line is a republican. where does this go? >> this obviously has local
implications for the virginia democrats. the party is in a state of turmoil trying to figure out how to get out of this political morasse they find themselves in. it has national implications for democrats nationally. they have tried to draw a line between how the republicans handle racial incidents and accusations of sexual misconduct whether it's the president or his supreme court justice nominee brett kavanaugh and how democrats handle them. they will be asked similar questions of what are you going to do when there is a credible, on the record allegation of sexual assault against a high ranking democratic official? are you going to be silent and run from reporters or take the stand you did in the brett kavanaugh hearings? similarly with the racial incidents the number of democrats who called out the president and the republican party for being racially insensitive, now you have various democrats who have come
out publicly to talk about what they have done in their past. whether or not democrats have to call for their resignation as well is a big question. they are trying to draw a contrast between how the republicans handle this and finding it difficult to keep up the zero tolerance policy when it could take out the top three democrats in virginia. >> they set the bar. i know jeffrey watches every interview here. >> every one. >> we had congresswoman jackie spear on and i asked her about fairfax in virginia. she was outraged at the accusations made against him. she said she has no reason not to believe them. she praised professor tyson for coming forward. i think as more comes out and as the professor comes forward publicly with the story, i won't be surprised to see more women members of congress who were vocal about professor ford could come to side of the professor making the accusations. >> here's where the -- it's not a detail. it's one thing to be supportive
of the professor, to be supportive of the accuser. do they really want lieutenant governor fairfax to leave office? do they want to take the step that will possibly turn the governor's mansion over to a republican? that's the real hard question. every democrat and even virginian democrats have said we respect the alleged victim who has come forward. we don't want to treat them poorly. the real question is do they want fairfax to leave office. i don't know what they're going to say about that. >> it was different with franken because you knew there would be a democrat in the seat. >> if they see is succession and it's safe you will see more strong statements. >> interesting. >> friends, thank you all very up many. house democrats are preparing to fight to get president trump's tax returns. could the administration block this move? most importantly, what's in
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johnson, author of "it's worse than you think" request. always a pleasure to have you with us. you have seen some of the president's taxes. you are one of the few people who has gone through them in intricate detail here. if people see them, what will they find? >> donald has a long history of cheating workers, vendor, governments he owed money to. we now know because of "new york times" project and my own reporting before that he's also cheated the federal government in the past. those cheating incidents are beyond the statute of limitatio limitations. they most likely cannot be prosecuted anymore. but his tax returns with a full audit will undoubtedly show he's misrepresented himself on his form 1040 and cheated our government. >> cheated our government. that's one thing, an accounting
thing. i'm not diminishing that. you are making that claim. but what about foreign influence? that's what the house intelligence chair adam schiff is implying that they want to look into to see if there is foreign financial influence on donald trump. >> that's right. ways and means is interested in tax cheating. they'll hold their own hearings. the intelligence committee's investigation will look at moneys that flowed to donald over the years from russians, saudi arabia yan arabians to pe him. kushner tried to leverage an $800,000 or so loan from the qataris. numerous transactions in various ways in the public record weren't the normal way of doing business. they resulted in donald getting a lot of money where it doesn't seem he should have gotten any. some of them show clear signs of being money laundering on behalf
of foreign interests. that would give you leverage over the president if you knew he had laundered money for you. >> do you think it would be readily apparent looking at that time tax returns? >> well, tax returns are the beginning point for asking questions. anyone who's been audited knows they say how did this number show up on this line of your tax return? under a 1924 law that's used all the time by congress the joint committee and other members of congress have the right to all tax return information. tax return information is what went into preparing your tax return. >> let me read actually this irs code. it's irs code 6103. again, this is law. this is what the ways and means committee is looking into. upon written request from the house of representatives the chairman of the committee on finance in the senate or the joint committee on taxation, the secretary of treasury shall furnish such committee with any
return or return information specified in such request. i don't think there is ambiguity in the law there. ways and means committee can ask for and get the return. i guess how can the white house and the president fight it? >> well, presumably the treasury secretary could go to court and argue it is inappropriate and hopefully they would lose. what richard neal, chairman of ways and means is doing -- he's very smart. he's having in three experts to explain to the public that this process has been around for almost 100 years. it's been used repeatedly. it is to prevent corruption in the tax collection system and to make sure that the tax system operates the way congress intended. after all, it is congress that taxes us. >> again, i look at the law there. i'm not a lawyer but the code seems clear. what isn't clear to me and i suppose the white house and
president could fight it is an effort to make it public in any way. perhaps they could have an argument there. >> well, i don't think so. once members of congress have the returns doing their oversight as the article 1 section of our government, under our constitution, they have a right to put things out there. what they have to be careful not to do is do it gratuitously. if there is something embarrassing or venal in a dramatic way, that won't cut it. they have to stick to serious issues that go to our national security and to the president's integrity or lack thereof. >> do you believe sitting where you are and knowing what you know the reason he's fought the release of this for so long or refused to release it is because as some have speculated maybe there were years he didn't make as much money as he claimed to make publicly or something else? >> well, we know that in several
recent years, donald's income on the front page on his tax return was less than $500,000 because he got a peculiar tax benefit new york homeowners like me get if you make less than $500,000. and he's got an explanation for it. what's likely to show up is improper deductions. donald was tried twice for income tax fraud in civil trials. he lost both of them. one of the judges wrote a scathing kcritique which is in y book "the making of donald trump". >> thanks for joining us today. the first step from house democrats to get ahold of the returns. could be a significant step. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> high emotions on capitol hill. a republican congressman tried to get two parents with children who were murdered removed from a gun violence hearing yesterday. one of the fathers will join us ahead. ♪
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the next attorney general. joining us now is democratic whip senator dick durbin, a member of the judiciary committee and also a member of the bipartisan conference committee trying to figure out a way to prevent a shutdown. you're in the middle of everything going on over the next few days. in regards to william barr, have you decided -- will you be a yes or a no vote in committee in an hour? >> i will be voting against mr. william barr. i have respect for him. i met with him yesterday for the first time and had a lengthy conversation. my reasons are -- two reasons why i'm going to withhold my vote in his favor. the reasons are these. first, i believe the mueller inquiry, the investigation, should be made available to the public and transparent. we should know at the end of the day whether findings exonerate the president or reach a different conclusion. the american people are entitled to that. he's not made that commitment. secondly i'm worried about a memo he volunteered and sent to
the trump legal staff, a 19-page memo seeming to say the president is above the law more often than not. i worry about that voluntary memo. >> the memo goes into great detail about why firing james comey would not be obstruction specifically. that's the memo you are talking about? >> it is. i discussed it with him specifically. it isn't a question of what was in the president's mind when he dismissed the head of the fbi which is his right to do. what's obvious though is he admitted to lester holt of nbc days afterward his real motive was to stop the investigation, stop this inquiry related to russia and his election campaign. to me that was a betrayal of the basic premise that this was simply an executive decision. >> i want to make clear that william barr did make clear subsequently that he does believe there are ways a president could obstruct justice. suborning personal is one of them. with the memo he was saying the actions he was talking about didn't constitute obstruction.
>> this is a 19-page memo he volunteered to the trump legal team which approached him about representing the president in the inquiry. now he wants to be the attorney general for the united states of america. it raises serious questions about his relationship to this inquiry and to the president. >> you want to make the mueller report public. i have talked to democrats and republicans who would like to see it made public. does that include the declanations meaning why mueller and his team decided not to prosecute certain people because what some will argue is if they are not going to prosecute, why make public all the different information that went into the decision? that's what james comey got into hot water for when he didn't make any prosecutions or launch prosecutions against hillary clinton. >> of course it was done within days of an election when it came to comey's situation. to me that was an issue that should not be ignored. when you appoint special counsel
over an issue of public trust it goes to the highest levels of government in the united states of america. i believe at this point that the american people have a right to know what evidence, what find ings were behind the decision so we can, as a nation, put at rest any suspicions we have one way or the other. let's hear all of it -- good and bad. in the end, let the american people be the arbiters. >> you are in the room when it comes to the conference discussion about trying to fend off another government shutdown to reach some kind of agreement on border security. can you give me an update on where you are exactly this morning? >> i can. i can tell you first i sat through the state of the union address the other night by president trump and never once heard the word "shutdown." remember the shutdown he was so proud of that went on for 35 days at the expense of innocent federal employees like air traffic controllers and tsa? he didn't bring it up again because the republicans turned on him and said, enough is enough. the good news is our conference
committee appropriators who do it for a living, i might add, sat down to start the bargaining. i think the bargaining is under way. we understand the parameters of what we have to decide. the briefing yesterday, i think, made it clear that there are things much more important than this president's almighty wall. slowing down the flow of narcotics to america during the worst drug epidemic in our history is the highest priority to me. that requires technology, not some god awful concrete wall. >> the president has now moved off the concrete wall and talked about steel slats or as he calls them, beautiful steel slats that you can see through. you did hear from experts on the wall, border patrol experts and the like. they talked about technology but said in some cases new barriers would help, correct? >> yes. of course we have 650 miles of barriers on the border now. we gave to the president since
he was elected 124 miles of replacement and new barriers. there are times when it is appropriate. when it comes to the priorities for border security it was clear to me the technology is critical. 85% of the trucks coming into the united states are not being scanned and x-rayed. 85%. so two weeks ago we confiscate the largest fentanyl shipment recently at a port of entry in cucumb cucumbers. it was in a package of cucumbers in the trucks. let's focus on the things that are important. this opioid, heroin epidemic is killing americans. that should be the focus. >> this committee and the agreement you think you could reach as soon as tomorrow, will it include new money for new barriers? >> i will just hold back from making a public statement on that. let me say that the issues of border security are being discussed honestly and openly. there is an effort in this
conference committee to reach a bipartisan agreement. i think people of goodwill can do it. >> grateful for your efforts inside the committee, all 17 of you from both sides of the aisle trying to find a solution. senator durbin, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. progressives are pushing what they are calling -- you have probably heard this -- a green new deal in congress that could reach beyond climate change. it would be really significant. we'll talk about what it would include and who is behind it. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best
welcome back. more democrats now saying they support a green new deal. scientists and activists say more needs to be done now. phil weir is here to explain. >> good to see you. remember your civics class, the original new deal was the biggest public works project in history. proponents say it created the greatest, strongest middle class in human civilization. some would say it created a modern welfare state. the green new deal is that one
2.0. an industrial revolution that wants to remake the way we power our lives and social justice for all. here are the people behind it. the problem is so big it's hard to imagine. america and the world's top scientists widely agree that we are running out of time. mankind has as little as a dozen years to stop burning so much carbon and save life on earth as we know it. you would never know it listening to the state of the union. >> the united states is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world. >> we can do so much more, take action on climate change. >> reporter: while abrams' rebuttal mentioned the end of the world only in passing, a new generation of activists are now forcing the issue in the halls of congress. >> we brought 200 young people to tell nancy pelosi and
democratic leadership we need you to step up. we need you to back something like a green new deal. >> reporter: they call themselves the sunrise movement. after dozens were arrested for occupying the offices of top democrats, dozens of top democrats are now singing their song. >> i support a green new deal. >> reporter: when one of the sunrise founders came back to capitol hill, instead of calling police senator ed markey gave her a ticket to the state of the union and is drafting a green new deal resolution with representative alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> how specific are we getting? is there a moratorium on oil and gas? is there a conservation corps to plant trees? >> we haven't announced the specifics of it. it does set a high goal of 100% deployment of nongreenhouse gas-emitting sources into our
atmosphere. >> reporter: by 2030? >> again, we are going to announce at the right time what it is. >> this nation is asking for action and action now. >> reporter: the original new deal helped pull america out of the great depression with massive public works projects -- dams, grids and a civilian conservation corps over 2 million strong. it also set up the modern welfare state. so the sunrisers demand not just clean power but medicare for all, resettlement funds and climate-related jobs for the neediest population. >> more than anything i feel heartened in this moment. >> reporter: you do? >> yeah. >> reporter: you're going to look on the floor of lawmakers and think, oh, no? if we have to wait for them to agree on something we're doomed? >> probably, but we are not waiting on them. we are actually building a movement that will be powerful enough to make something like a green new deal a political inevitability in this country. >> reporter: in an age of bitter
division, they are calling for trillions in new spending and the kind of national unity not seen since the apollo project. since cape canaveral's moon shot launch pads are being fortified against sea level rise caused by climate change. overnight the nonbinding resolution to set the agenda. boy, it is aspirational. in addition to 100% carbon-free in the next 12 years, guaranteeing a job with a family sustaining wage, adequate family and disability leave, paid vacations, retirement security to all members of society. it's got adequate housing for everybody, food access. it's just sort of afo foemorpho enough to get everybody in the tent -- labor unions, greens and everybody. but it is creating fighting. and money. >> is there a price tag on the resolution? >> not at all. they won't get close to how to
pay for it because that gets to people who want a carbon tax, those who want to do it in ten-year inkincrements. it's more of a progress call to x action. this problem is so big we have to think of it in terms of new deal scale. >> one of the things we'll ask over the course of the campaign season is what it means, how do you fill in the blanks because the blanks matter. >> just last year, $100 billion was spent on the storms, the big storm events. >> wow. >> if that's going to be annually now in the new normal, a couple trillion of preventative medicine makes sense. >> thank you for taking a look. >> thank you. >> a republican member of congress tries to remove the parents of students killed in the parkland massacre from a hearing on gun violence. one of the fathers joins us live next. before that, learn how to stop headaches before they start. lisa draer has today's food as
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temper s boiled over at a house hearing on gun violence. matt gates tried to get the parents of a murdered parkland high school student -- two of them -- removed from the room. lauren fox explains. >> reporter: a congressional hearing on gun violence boiling over after republican congressman matt gates suggested that illegal immigration poses a greater threat to the public than guns. >> i hope we do not forget the pain and anguish and sense of loss felt by those all over the country who have been the victims of violence at the hands of illegal aliens. hr-8 would not have stopped many of the circumstances i raised, but a wall, a barrier on the southern border may have and that's what we are fighting for. [ shouting ]
>> the gentleman will suspend. >> the florida congressman's claim prompting outrage from the fathers of two victims of last year's massacre at a parkland, florida, high school. manuel oliver and fred guttenberg repeatedly interrupted gaetz as he argued against a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales and actively campaigned for a border wall. >> the greatest driver of violence in the circumstances firearm.ndicated was not the it was the fact that we have an immigration system that allows people to come here violently. >> there will be no comments or demonstrations, please. >> reporter: committee chairman democrat jerry nadler issued several warnings for the men to stop interrupting before david cicilene posed this question. >> is there a committee rule that prevents a member of congress from reciting false
statements in a committee hearing? >> reporter: his remarks prompted applause from some and a rebuke from ranking member republican doug collins. >> may i make a point of order that the gentleman's words were unparliamentary because they implied the falsehood or lying of a member. >> reporter: gaetz called for the fathers to be removed from the hearing. >> is there a process in the committee whereby if the very same people are repeatedly interrupting the time of the members that those people will be asked to depart the committee or -- >> reporter: chairman nadler denied the request and later criticized the congressman on cnn. >> he was beyond terrible in what he was saying. we were sitting in a room full of parents of children murdered at parkland high school. >> reporter: gaetz telling the sun sentinel he didn't know
oliver had lost a child in the parkland shooting but would react the same way if he did, noting, quote, i don't think anybody, regardless of tragic circumstances, can expect to come to a congressional hearing and take it over with a series of interruptions. >> all right. stay with us. ahead, the father of a 17-year-old boy murdered at parkland, joaquin oliver. his father wanted his voice heard at that hearing. with expedia, i saved when i added a hotel to our flight.
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tums chewy bites with gas relief welcome back. matt gaetz of florida clashed with the parents of murdered students in the parkland massacre at a house hearing yesterday on gun violence. joining me now is manuel oliver. his son, 17-year-old joaquin was one of those people murdered at stoneman douglas high school nearly one year ago. manuel, thank you for being with me. we all just watched what happened yesterday to you. you stood up in protest, made your voice heard when representative gaetz made the assertion we should be talking about a wall on the border instead at this gun violence hearing. what did you feel in that moment? >> well, my first feeling is these guys are in the wrong room.
he should be discussing this matter in another place. that's another discussion. don't bring the wall as a solution for everything. it's pretty offensive that you are -- number one, i don't think they are qualified for this. number two, you're asking us to waste time. you are wasting time from us really to go ahead and solve the problem. so, listen, if this is how this is going to work, i have to stop this guy. i have to let the nation know he's wrong. >> what were you saying? it was hard to hear. a lot of people saw you satand p but didn't hear what you were saying. >> he was making a point -- by the way, i had no idea who this guy was before. maybe i'm missing something, but for me it's just another comedian that i have to deal with. he started saying that we should never forget those victims of gun violence that were attacked
by illegal aliens and how that is a big issue that we need to solve and the solution is the wall. that's when i was able to stand up and say what about us? don't forget about us and our kids. other parkland fathers were there and a bunch of kids behind us. what do you mean? you're bringing -- you're a salesperson that pretends to sell the wall product in the wrong room. then you point at me? no. that's not how it works. >> i am interested in if you have heard from him since. just tell everyone about your son. joaquin, 17 years old. he moved to this country from venezuela, right, for a better life. he became a citizen the year before he was murdered. >> correct. >> what do you want everyone to know about him? >> a beautiful person. a great dude. an amazing friend. my best friend, i will say.
he was a very happy kid. he loved it here. he loved the way his life was moving forward. he was always surrounded by music, art, poetry. he used to write a lot. an amazing guy. i miss him a lot. his mother misses him a lot and his sisters, too, of course. >> your nickname for him? >> i used to call him short guy. he was short when he was a kid. then they called him guac. these days everybody knows him that way. >> have you heard from representative gaetz? >> no. >> okay. >> no. i don't think i will hear from him. let me tell you something, i can't wait for this name to be out of my story. the real name i'm concerned about is joaquin oliver. i never heard before about him.
i haven't heard from him. i don't need to. the whole nation listened to him and that's enough. >> you were a guest at the state of the union address and the president did bring up gun violence at the state of the union twice. once talking about illegal immigrants utilizing guns and also about the horrific massacre we saw at the tree of life synagogue. we didn't hear about the parkland students and i wonder what your message is for the president and the nation on gun violence. >> it's not that we didn't hear about the parkland shooting. it mentioned he wouldn't have time enough to do that on the one night. but he didn't mention the word guns. he didn't mention the common element in all of these shootings which is the gun itself and why this is happening. why are we okay with this? why is it fine when the gun lobby and the nra are behind this and we are not fine and we
are not okay when an illegal alien, according to some people, is the person that's shooting your kid. i guess the only option you have as a father is to make sure the shooter of your son, it's an illegal alien so they can mention him. i'm not going to stop saying what i said yesterday or what i have been saying for the last year. i am a father. before an activist, i am a father. i have a duty as a father. my son will be represented by his mom and his dad forever. you have to deal with it, my friend, everybody. there are kids out there that need to stay alive. i'm worried and concerned about them. >> let's end on this. that is how you are honoring your son's life. you're an artist and you have painted a beautiful full mural after his death. how will you continue to honor
him? >> well, i will keep on doing what i know and use my skills as an artist. actually on the anniversary we'll be in new york. we are displaying the biggest wall so far. it will be the wall 17. when i say wall i'm talking about the walls i make. the ones i paint. the beautiful ones that represent every single victim of gun violence. the ones that are really making a point and being part of the solution. so it's going to be a tough day, but it's just going to be another day without my son. we just try to honor him in an untraditional, effective way to send the right message to the people. >> manuel oliver, words cannot express my grief for you and all who lost their children to gun violence. thanks for being with us today. >> thank you very much. >> all right. let's hand it over now