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welcome to all of you. this is gps. i'm fareed zakiria. >> maintains his hold on the presidential palace and more and more are backing the opposition,
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how will this standoff end? i'll ask the experts. and ronald reagan thought of america as the shining city on a hill. >> she is still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom. >> they say that era is over, that america has abdicated the global role. what does that mean? i'll ask him. >> then from the womens march of 2017 to the me too movement. >> i have been sexually harassed. >> the incredible power of wome womens anger. rebecca traced her on how this force is changing the world.
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it must pursue a policy without triggering a backlash against perceived imperialism. it must support a transition that doesn't threaten so much that they fight to the end. this requires careful di ploemt diplomacy. it also poses a challenge for the democratic party. can it find its voice more generally? representative says the united states needs to stay out of venezuela. let the venezuelan people their future. we cannot hand pick leaders on behalf of multi-national corporate interest.
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they have viechbed a letter largely blaming it on u.s. actions. does one really have to explain they primarily caused by the nasty government? that the venezuelan people have not been allowed to pick their own leaders? the current government clung to power by rigging elections and crushing opposition parties and using lethal force against protesters. since 2015 an estimated 3 million venezuelans have fled the country. it is equivalent to 30 million americans. millions more are staying and fighting. they have come out almost the feeting in 2013 despite an unfair election and bringing an opposition parliment to power in
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2015. for the-few years venezuelans endured tear gas, arrests and killings. they have rallied behind an opposition leader and using a constitutional process to shift control of the government from the regime to the elected parliment. there is a larger debate to be had about the path forward for progressive foreign policy. there is skepticism about a 700 defense budget that is growing. policy would require regional engagement. michael argues that the default position of the left has tended
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to be inaction. american power can be misused. of course it could be for inaction at home as well. a swift transition would be fraud with complexities and risks. he makes a powerful case that in a world by terrorist attacks, far right nationalism and gross inequalities and widespread poverty and hunger the world requires intelligence attention. walter writes our deepest commitment is solidarity with people in trouble. right now there are millions in trouble in our hemsphere. they deserve to support of the active left. for more go online and read my
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washington post column. let's get started. she a distinguished fellow. here in new york shannon joins me. explain what is going on in venezuela right now. there's so much confusion right now. how do you see it? >> there is plenty going on. i see three main battlegrounds. one is taking place and has to do with humanitarian aid. the united states and a bunch of latin american culture are that desperately needs it.
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that tension is going to deal because it is -- again, there is a starving country waiting for it. so it's going to be part of that. the new government is try to go get control of the assets that the government of venezuela has internationally. there is an energy company that is owned by the venezuelan company. the control of citgo is an important legal and financial battleground. the third is in the military bases wean the top officers. the top officers are well, you know, corrupt. some of them are drug traffickers. some of them are insecenti ince. it is suffering like most of venezuela's population is
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suffering. there's a tension there between top officers. >> when one looks at this in other historical cases, you know, he always said that the moment where you see a transition is when that's crack within the ruling elite. so far no crack in venezuela by which i mean you're not seeing generals. why are they staying so close to the regime? >> part of the reason you're not seeing the military pull away is that this is a military regime. we have seen many of the ministers, those that run food there and those that control is state owned energy company, those who are in control of governors and other positions are all military generals.
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the other reason we are seeing this coalition is we haven't seen the cracks yet is there are outside players propping these people up. so far we have seen while the u.s. and europe have stood against maduro that china and russia have not. so these military officers feel they have that backing. >> so what is the path to accelerate this transition. is it external pressure or internal demonstration? what is the most likely one to be effective? >> everything. everything has to be put in play. i think the people in the streets and pressure is important. the international community and we have a divided international community. we have democratic countries in the world. it is supporting the president and we have dictators and governments, russia, cuba, iran,
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turkey supporting maduro. so that will continue. of course pressure on the military and financial pressure. the government, the maduro government will soon run out of money or have very limited resources. the generals depend on that and once they start suffering lack of money they may start rethinking their alliances. >> there seems to be an interesting difference between the attitude of russia and china. it is really the spoiler that wants to pursue anti-american path here. they are the ones that have the means support the regime. >> and they are the ones that have the biggest support. >> they want to make sure it pays off. it has bet as the one that will
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send oil in return for their loans. i think with the right they would also work with a new government that would be democratically elected. >> and what about the government in washington? how has the trump administration handled this? >> well, they have been very active and very engaged. the main player has been senator rubio. in many ways the government when he came it outsourced latin america who has become very active and very well informed. he spends time and energy and political capital. so at this point they are staying closely aligned with the group of latin american countries that is coordinating
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the international pressure against the regime. >> it is a sort of south florida strategy towards venezuela coming out of washington? >> it seems there's room for the democrats to come in here. democrats would support free and fair elections. the one thing that seems missing to me is what do you do with the 3 million who have already left the country and hundreds of thousands of more that are leaving. so there's room for the united states to accept more of those and provide a reflect ifr status and also to help those people living mostly throughout latin america today. >> pleasure to have you both on. thank you. next, the trump administration's activist approach is an abboar ration. it is hands off, get out. my next guest says this means
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it is the bar. after withdrawing the iran
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nuclear deal, massive pacific deal and threatening to pull out of nato seems to be withdrawing america from overseas intervention. president trump announced all american troops were coming back from syria. this week the head of central command said he hadn't been and negotiating a withdraw from afghanistan. how does american foreign policy look to the rest of the world? he has written a new book called the empire and the five kings. america's abdication and the fate of the world. the book couldn't be more timely. when you hear those facts that i pointed out, trump saying we are getting out of syria. we are getting out of afghanistan how do you think that is seen in the rest of the world? >> what's the most sad is that
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from the rest of the world it seems that america some times does not exist. we have a sort of precolumn b-c world. he is so daring now he acts as if he had nothing to fear from america. this is a very new situation. a world without america. this is how it seems and all over the world had always had
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hope. it was the shining city upon the hill. this is switching off from the point of view. people have talked about it as being an age of impunity or the return or the dictator. america withdraws and said the jungle grows back. >> his book is a great book. it is not the jungle. it is the political nature hates the emptiness, hates the void. when america withdraws what happens? in the space which is liberated all of these new powers try to take advantage.
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so you have those are what i call the five kings. they are former empires who are big empires five centuries ago. >> kline thchina. >> and russia. they were empire. we thought they were defeated forever. now they are coming back. you a come back of these earned democratic powers turning into empires. it is the worst. it is not the american imperialism. look what happened.
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it is imperialism. he believes himself as the reviver. this is a world. american people may be so obsessed by the domestic policy. so obsessed by the tweets of donald trump. donald trump is nothing. he is just a phenomenon of this big picture where america is no longer playing and the role. >> you a great since of history. you watched this personally since the 1990s, the crisis in bosnia and other parts of the world. do you think it is a temporary pull back and eventually we will be back on track to a world of expanding liberty and democracy
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in order? there is reason beginning ton 90s. with these new empires which i tried this is number one. number two, what will be the outcome of this new game? everything is possible. the west tries to fall. it is not dead. look at what happens in america. look at this real world war. it is not between mexico and
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america. it is not with the other point is that these five kings who pretend their imperialism and to make an empire you need more than military force. you need more than that. you need spirits. when you see these it was zombies. they will advance and maybe will
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address humanity. we have if we want if we wake up, if we refind a sense of our duty if that mission. >> always a pleasure. >> thank you. next on gps we are also addicted to our phones and computers. what would happen if the internet suddenly went off? it is increasingly happening across the globe when governments decide they don't want their citizens to have access. i'll tell you about this disturbing trend when we come back. these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. experts from all over the world working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here. learn more at
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independent attorneys that the government seeked to impose. last month zimbabwe became the fist country to shut down the internet after massive protests over fuel prices. before that the democratic republic cut off access after a contested election. bangladesh have shut down access this year. in 2018 188 full or partial shutdowns were ordered by gots around the world according to the advocacy group access now. that's up from 75 in 2016. these shutdowns range from blocking certain web sites to full internet black outs. it's the construction of the great paradox.
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governments are controlling online spaces and the easy optimism that marks the inception feels a bit misplaced. according to an october record 2018 marked the eight consecutive year in which internet freedom declined worldwide. there the internet always has been a world garden. 800 million users are protected by a great firewall from the corrupting influences from the new york times. they shut down the internet in the western region as far back as 2009 for almost a year. as more people come online all over the world more countries are borrowing the cruder tools from china's play book. they aren't happening here.
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india leads the world in the total number of internet shutdowns. more than 120. these kienltds of measures have a great disruptive effect economically. they think estimates cost the indian economy $3 billion. it appears more and more governments are expanding the control of the government beyond shutdowns. we ji egypt enacted a law to face regulation as media outlets. similar laws appears in russia, iran and china. we are seeing the interflet not creating one big open connected world but developing along two divergent paths. there is the unrestricted scene in much of the west.
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there is the verse seen that china and encreasingly exported to other parts of the developing world. all of this drowned out the early optimism of power. decknology it turns out is no more free of bias or abuse than the humans who develop it and temperature leaders who control it. next on gps, how did we get from the walmaomans march to the me movement to a record number of woman serving in the u.s. capital. we trace the power of womens anger. care for the clothes you love with woolite detergent. the new concentrated formula... you 30% more loads. no stretching, shrinking or fading. woolite. cares as much as it cleans. ♪ ♪
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as president trump took to house chamber on tuesday to deliver the state of the union displayed out in front of him was a sea of white. many of the women of the house had decide today color coordinate to honor their suffrage. there are a record 131 women
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serving in congress. this surge in women who were elected in 2018 followed the womens march of 2017 and the me too movement. the percentage of women in the american legislature is still low for the developed world. my next guest wrote a book that bigs deeply into what she calls the revolutionary power of womens anger. the book is called good and mad. great to have you on. >> good to be here. >> you're telling us about a hidden history of the politics of the western world. every 50 years there has been something i certainly was not aware of, kind of a meoment or movement of womens anger. >> and often to the degree we have been to the import of womens anger is to explicitly womens movement of the 1970s,
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the suffrage movement and in england and in the early 20th century. yet in fact it has been in movements we don't necessarily associate with women. the labor movement in this country. in the 1830s they went staged some of the first walk outs, the first strikes, formed one of the first unions in the early 20th union. called for the walkout manufacturing workers. yet we don't think of the labor movement as having been initiated by women. yet it was. so part of what i'm doing in this book is looking at how womens anger particularly anger at economic racial gender and equality has been incredibly catalytic at the start of so many of the movements that have
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wound up transforming laws or institutions or customs. yet we have never been taught the story or given the view of womens anger. >> you used the word anger which is interesting. so many of these things you look back and say how could it if possibly be that women were not allowed to be doctors or lawyers? there were all of these inequalities and various ways women were suppressed. you think thank goodness they were overcome. did it take anger or was it possible, you know, are you kind of characterizing it correctly? >> well, part of the project of this book is to seek out where there was anger. and to question the role it did play in getting women to do the work of organizing of talking to each other, of forming the kinds of coalitions that might then lead to social movements. it's very hard to do that. womens anger when it has existed has been covered over by the
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people telling the story of it. a very clear example is the way we have been taught about rosa parks, the woman that did not give up her seat on the montgomery bus. i was taught in the american school system about rosa parks as exhausted heroic undoubtedly heroic to a civil rights movement. she was a calm seamstress. she was a furious worker in the south. she was an investigator for the naacp that went into the south and investigating the gang garas and false claims of sexual violence to justify their lynchings. her act was political and conscious now. she herself wrote and talked about her life as having been in many ways shaped by her anger and injustice.
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it was never the story. we have to ask, were there anger in place and people that was never transmitted to us. it is a hard question to answer because we have to uncover so much what these women were thinking and in some cases might have committed to a letter or told a story about. we are told to never express it all. >> and how to make sense of the fact that when betty and that movement of feminism in the 50s and 60s comes up, lots of women by many polls, majority of women disapproved. >> uh-huh. >> they disapproved of that anger and the same question is some times asked about the vote for donald trump. how could it be that so many women voted for him? >> one of the things that was made clear but has long been true to those that look at it is white women have often -- have
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always voted for the republican candidate in all but two elections, 92 and '96. one of the things we need to talk about more is the incentives put in place within a country that was built by white men that built our laws, our courts. their incentives put in place. one of those incentives is offered to white women which is a white pay tri-- as -- >> so they voting their race rather than their gender? >> yes. it is an over simplified way of putting it. a significant number of of white women will defend a fundamentally regress ifr conservative white system and have done so for a long time. >> why would you zealously
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upho uphold an order? i think it's odd because the social structure is quite unfair to women. >> yes. it is. well, in part it's the recognition that they do benefit as white women even as they may be su board nant as women to men. but also some times it takes a moment. one of the things we have seen in recent years, since the election of donald trump is one of these moments of rel revelation that white women aren't protected. even though there is a sense that if you're attached to white men and that as white women you will enjoy certain kinds of power. in part the loss of hillary clinton who had worked her way to the top of the political system, the stories of some of
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the actresses who first spoke of the experiences and with a series of people, again, women who were wealthy, had privilege and yet were still assaulted in many cases had their careers damaged, told the stories of how sexism had reshaped their lives. the testimony of blasey-ford not protected with the white patriarchy. her story was not believed or taken seriously enough to halt the power of kavanaugh. it is one of the things you're talking about, when there are a series of events that reveal that even white women who enjoy some of the greatest and most obvious forms of power and privilege within this country are not in fact protected from
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sexism and subordination. >> you're saying that the culture of male and female dynamics, whether at a bar or restaurant has all been written, shaped, determined. >> yes. >> what we need is a very different kind that incorporates how women would like to experience this. >> yes and that relates to what people worried about too because during the #metoo movement you heard women telling stories that have been bottled up far long time. and it was about the feeling that they sustained harm, that they had suffered consequences, you know, for reasons having to do with their gender in their workplaces or relationships or
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having a conversation where we are actually doing very hard work of addressing sexism and the toll that it takes on women personally and professionally and politically. that is a broad category. when we actually start to break it down, the way that we have built things around men and you say their preferences and their needs and their power, that's a conversation that contains multitudes. it is describing the world. >> i have to ask you, what do you think of pelosi and her wielding of power? is it a moment? >> she is a remarkable figure. and yes, the way, the lack of apology which pelosi has in fact always approached power is very
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unusual when you look at the history of female politicians in this country and how they have been taught up until recently to apologize for or disguise the degree of power they have and degree which they may enjoy using it. pelosi has been unapologetic. she will say this is what i'm good at my job. she will talk about the way that she, you know, exerts control over her caucus. it is a tremendous model. it is interesting. i think a lot of the reasons people don't like pelosi on the right and left are idealogical. they see her as a far leftist or on the left they see her as a centerist. hr job is herding cats and she is so good at it it is something to watch. i think she is a fascinating
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model of a woman who is totally unafraid to use her power. >> totally fascinated. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we will be back.
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this week facebook turned 15 and founder mark zuckerberg celebrated with an offbeat facebook post. he said, facebook facing real social and ethical issues bring me to this question, which of the following humanitarian crises was fueled, in part, by what facebook campaign? civil war in yemen, genocide in myanmar, syrian refugee crisis,
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gang violence in el salvador. when you're left or right, this book called "a foreign policy for the left" will tell you when, why or how we should be engaged with events happening outside our country to foreigners. now for the last look. president trump not satisfied with policy only on twitter seems to be taking to instagram as well. on tuesday he reposted israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's picture of a huge billboard that's gone up in tel aviv, showing the two leaders standing side by side. ahead of the april elections, they are hoping some of the nation's star power will rub off on him. trump is a very popular figure in israel at the moment. but closeness to trump might not be enough for israel's second longest serving pm to be
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reelected. according to martin endek, he is facing a two-front challenge to his leadership. the pm's first issue is he could be indicted on charges before the election. they said they will not side with him even though netanyahu denies wrongdoing. the second possibility is the polls of the israeli parliament election. if he can be capable of winning votes from the right, the current lead that bv has over gantz could be successful. watch this space for a possible
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three-peat. the answer to my gps challenge is b, it is genocide in myanmar. the eu warned that it is especially problematic in myanmar given the sudden region access to a barrage of information. facebook has since taken down many of the offending pages and invested in the country's training and technology. but it acknowledged that it was too slow to act on misinformation in myanmar. all eyes will be on facebook to see how it handles misinformation ahead of myanmar's 2020 elections, and of course the 2020 elections closer to home. thank you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next time.
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