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the president is laying the blame for this impasse on democrats. >> tonight president trump and a pop potential 2020 competitor beto o'rourke are holding dueling rallies. president trump claims in his state of the union that before a wall was built there, crime was rampant. it wasn't. lauren fox is live on capitol hill with the latest in these discussions, these conference committee members not talking as far as we can tell, lauren. >> that's right, john. there is an impasse up on capitol hill when it comes to the border security money. there are two sticking points that democrats and republicans were not able to resolve over the weekend. one of them, how much money to give the president for his border wall. the other, how many detention beds to allow. democrats want to cap the number of detention beds. republicans saying that's a nonstarter. so where do they go from here? the conference committee is not scheduled to meet as of now, today, which is, of course, concerning given that that
deadline is coming up on friday. democrats and republicans may have to look at short-term options to overt a government shutdown. and the white house is not promising there won't be a government shutdown. here's what mick mulvaney had to say. >> we cannot definitively rule out a government shutdown at the end of this week? >> you absolutely cannot. let's say for sake of this discussion that the democrats prevail and the hard-core left wing democrats prevail. a democrat congresswoman who put out a tweet about zero dollars for dhs. let's say that the hard-core left wing of the democrat party prevails in this negotiation and put a bill on the president's desk with zero money for the wall or $800 million, some absurdly low number. how does he sign that? he cannot in good faith sign that. >> the president of the united states, tonight in el paso trying to convince people to support his border wall. he will be having a dueling match with the democrat beto o'rourke, a former congressman, who will also be holding a rally
tonight in el paso. john and alisyn? >> joining us is nia-malika henderson and joe lockhart, former clinton white house press secretary and mark mckinnon, former adviser to the george w. bush and john mccain campaigns and creator and executive producer of "the circus." it's deja vu all over again. here we are with our countdown clock talking about how many days they have, just four, to figure out the government shutdown. i'm just wondering, has anything changed this time around given the democrats have new demands about beds and how many people i.c.e. can detain that they would be shouldering the blame. has the calculus shifted this week? >> i don't know that they'll be shouldering the blame. i don't think the public has been following the conference committee discussions. they'll tune back in when the countdown clock gets to about wednesday. they did tune in to the shutdown
and it was a problem for trump. this is a typical conference committee negotiation. it looks like the democrats have given a little bit on border security and providing some, without giving them to the whole concept. >> more money? >> more money. and in return, he's -- mulvaney was just talking about the hard left of the democratic party. nancy pelosi is not the hard left of the democratic party. this proposal is a moderate proposal on i.c.e. detention. there are people in the democratic people who want to abolish i.c.e. it's a ridiculous idea, but limiting the number of beds makes i.c.e. go out and not act indiscriminately. but act strategically. >> after the criminals. >> after the criminals. >> that seems to be a new piece in the discussion. >> it is, but again, in any negotiation, when you give something, you expect something back. except with trump who says i get everything or nothing. >> what do you make of the fact that it is apparently a new part of this discussion? i talked to the chief deputy
whip last hour and he said the situation is this. we're giving something in these negotiations hinting, i think, democrats will allow some new money for some new barriers. we're giving that. we want something in return. in return what they support a democratic priority where there are fewer detentions in the interior. >> if that's right and if they're willing to give something and something can be called a wall or fence or something that gets into the semantics for republicans and trump, then that could be a deal. >> nia, this is -- as joe just said, this is standard negotiation. but it doesn't feel that way. >> right. >> because the stakes are so high and because we've just come off this government shutdown and president trump has such an unorthodox way of negotiating, it doesn't feel like what's happening right now is standard operating procedure. >> i think that's right. and the big question kind of off on the side here is, a, whether or not the president even wants a deal or does he want democrats as a permanent foil. you hear him talk about
democrats, he essentially says they're for open borders. that they're captive of the far left. it's hard to imagine him sitting down and signing a bill where there is compromise between the democrats and republicans. and you, obviously, heard him talk about, too, this idea that he's been setting the table for a national emergency. and we imagine that when he goes down to el paso this evening, he's going to be further setting that table in the way we heard him talk about the dangers of these folks coming from the southern border. this is a national emergency and national security threat to america's families. much of the data doesn't support many of the things he said but that, i think, has been what's hanging over these negotiations. making them feel not like most negotiations. of course, if you are one of those 800,000 federal workers or contractors, it must feel very, very scary at this point. >> the problem for the president is he's closer and closer to pulling the trigger on a national emergency. and that's problematic.
not only do the democrats oppose it. republicans oppose it and hillary clinton talked to us about that. >> let's listen to that. >> i just don't think you should call national emergencies unless there truly is a national emergency. there's no national emergency at our border. and he's frustrated because he can't even convince his own party to support his requests. and he shouldn't be breaking new ground and causing new precedents that really could come back to not only haunt him but haunt our country. so he should go through regular order. >> so i think one of the things upsetting the democrats is they're realizing no matter what the conferees agree to, what deal is made it does seem the president is preparing to declare just the emergency that hillary clinton and even some republicans are warning against. >> that's right. but as she pointed out, and as i've heard from a lot of my old friends on the hill, republican
senators, a lot of them won't like that option. and then that creates all kinds of new problems, too. i hope that the legislative morass gets untangled in the next four days. i think trump will go to the emergency option if he has to. >> you heard her say even republicans won't go along with it. but they are going along with his demands right now, joe. when republicans controlled congress, this didn't come up. this could have been resolved then. >> i think they're uncomfortable with it but they won't oppose the president. donald trump has managed to seize control of the republican party and all of these men and women, in particular in the senate, know when they face re-election in 2020, if trump says you've crossed me, they'll have a hard time winning. i think there's a little bit of context for all of this. and it's been forgotten a little bit. trump made immigration and the wall the central issue of the midterms.
the people spoke. democrats swept into power in washingt washington. so when we talk about leverage, the republicans have very little leverage. it's clear to make this about i.c.e. beds but the public doesn't support the president on the wall, and the people have spoken. i think in the end, he will shoulder the blame. >> you know who is going to speak on it tonight in el paso? beto o'rourke. he's coming off his e-mail tour and now he's going to get on an issue he's passionate about. it's his backyard. this is an opportunity for beto o'rourke to get back in the game. >> when you're watching these dueling events, what are you looking for? the president going to el paso four days before this shutdown, i'm not sure that's going to help in the negotiations. >> i think that's right. we've seen the president do that before. have a big televised moment before or during these negotiations. yeah, i think the beto thing is going to be fascinating to
watch. what kind of crowd does he draw? he's been with oprah this last week. a lot of that hasn't aired. does he seem presidential? this will be his really first big foray into politics right now. he's given some interviews. didn't seem to know much about policy in terms of immigration, he's probably going to go more with sort of big themes, at least that's what we've seen from him so far. what kind of crowd does he draw in comparison to the president. that's going to be one of the most fascinating things to come out of this evening. he has said he's going to make some sort of decision about jumping into this race by the end of the month. whether that's an announcement or just a private decision, zeile we'll have to see, but all eyes are on him, particularly the democrats looking to see where this field is going to go. >> let's talk about what's happening in virginia. the governor says he's not going anywhere. he believes he's the best person to navigate through this crisis. that he's in the middle of.
you understand damage control. you've had to navigate through some political crises. what's going to happen? >> i started my political campaign and career in virginia. did two races in 1981 and 1982. none of this surprises me. racism had a stronghold among too many people in virginia. you know, i think it does differentiate the parties. everyone i hear from says all three of these guys have to go. even if it means risking losing the leadership. >> what does it mean? >> i think it causes some problems, but i think it's outweighed by the idea that democrats will continue to pound on these people and make the -- make a distinction which is if you're al franken and credibly accused by women, someone like kirsten gillibrand will stand up and say you have to go and the party follows behind. if you're steve king. let's slap your wrist and take some committee things away from
you. and all around the country. just this weekend, two republican legislators talking about in the most homophobic ways you could possibly talk about, there is silence. and one person you've never heard from in all of this is the leader of the republican party. have you ever heard him say anything about steve king, donald trump? no. so i think it's a valuable distinction. i wouldn't create it this way, but i think democrats can make the best of it. >> are the democrats -- sorry. are the democrats learning the message from the president here which is the way to get past scandals is just wait it out? just wait it snout out? it worked for him repeatedly. >> it looks like those top three officials in virginia are going to do that. there was some sense there are going to be impeachment articles introduced in virginia. it looks like that may not happen in regards to lieutenant governor justin fairfax. they are all calling for investigations. northam is, as well as fairfax. i don't know what the mechanism of that would be. but if you look at the polling,
it seems like virginians are split on this in terms of whether or not they want northam to say. he's got maybe a little more support for staying than going. a little more support among african-americans and staying than going. there's a sense of pragmatism among folks in virginia in terms of those top three folks staying and it looks like they may be able to wait it out, even though you have democrats trying to draw that bright line, which is saying these folks should go because they can't really represent the state. people in the state feel differently. >> if all three stay, virginia is a very important, pivotal campaign state in 2020. if all three democrats are in there, that gives a powerful weapon for republicans to run against those three and maybe take the state. >> it's a 2019 state, too. >> i think that's right. yeah. i think it matters more for 2019 than 2020. no one will likely campaign in 2020 with any of these folks. they can campaign with tim kaine, with mark warner.
but it's going to be between donald trump and whoever the democratic nominee is. i don't think there's going to be a bill calculus in terms of what northam did or didn't do. >> do you think president trump, having weathered all of his scandals, that everybody remembers or doesn't at this point because there's been so many, does he give all politicians now a license to stay put? >> i think that's what they're counting on. they're trying that playbook. we've been newer to this stuff because we've seen so much of it at this point. maybe so. >> i hope not. i honestly hope not. i think when you do these things, politicians should be held to a higher standard. and even -- it sends the message that racism is okay, sexual assault is okay, and they should go. >> thank you all very much. great to talk to you. >> putting the hat on. job done. riding out of town now. the house intelligence committee crossing the president's red line investigating his finances. what do they want to find out? we ask one member, next.
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that's what concerns me. >> all right. schiff has said the bank is relevant because there are serious and credible allegations that the russians may possess financial leverage over the president. joining us is democratic congressman jim hunt. both committees are investigating deutsche bank. >> good morning. >> so, listen, give us a status report of what the house intelligence committee is up to. you know, some people have lost the thread after the holidays and the government shutdown. what is your main focus right now? >> well, i think two things are going to happen, alisyn. first, there was an awful lot of stuff, and by stuff i mean documents we wanted to see, people who we should have interviewed that we didn't get to do prior to the republican shutting down the investigation last year. and we saw the fruits of that vine, right? michael cohen it turns out lied to us. any number of people lying to us. and so the first order of business, of course, is to get
to the follow-up that came out of the interviews we did prior to the republicans ending the investigation. the second part, i think, and this is a little fuzzier because we're waiting to see what the special counsel comes out with. but as you heard the chairman say, it would appear, and i don't think anybody has inside information because the special counsel is not talking really to anybody, it would appear just based on activities in court and people who have said they've been subpoenaed that, as adam said, the special counsel is not necessarily looking at what might have happened with deutsche bank, in particular, and other sources of debt, possible sources of debt for the trump organization. so i do think that will be an area of interest. >> what's the thinking about what donald trump may have done wrong with deutsche bank? >> there's just questions about why deutsche bank appears to have been the one bank that would lend to the trump organization at a time when pretty much no other bank would. there's also the -- it's not
just deutsche bank. there's the president's son's statement when he said, gosh, the russians are giving us all kinds of money. i can't remember the exact words but he implied they were getting plenty of money from the russians. so the second part, in particular, look it may turn out that the deutsche bank thing once we get into the information there's nothing there, that's the reason for an investigation, but that statement that the russians are providing liquidity, providing capital, that bears some investigation as we have watched over the years, everybody associated with the trump campaign or trump administration lie about their contacts with russia. >> do you worry you're crossing the president's imposed red line about looking into his family's finances? >> well, not really, right? if there is evidence of wrongdoing, no american citizen, you know, from the lowliest to the president of the united states gets to tell the government what is subject to investigation. it is fair for the president and anybody else to expect that
there will be no investigations of things for which there is no probable cause, for which there aren't really serious questions. that's fair. we all deserve that. but again, we're kind of past that with the trump administration with dozens of people now under indictment in jail, going to jail, pleading guilty. not every stone has been overturned with respect to the trump administration. and that's what we need to do. >> very quickly, and i don't want to get too in the weeds but it's in "the new york times" this morning. there might have been this meeting between paul manafort and constantine kilimnik. and kilimnik is a russian associate with ties to russian intel. comments by one of mr. mueller's lead prosecutors suggests that the special counsel continues to pursue at least one theory that starting while russia was taking steps to bolster mr. trump's candidacy, neme his orbit were discussing deals to end a dispute over russia's incursions into ukraine and probably give moscow relief from economic
sanctions imposed by the united states and its allies. are you looking into that? and would that constitute collusion from what you've seen? >> it's clear the special counsel is looking into that. whether the committee does it or not, i think is yet to be determined. but alisyn, you put your finger on something really important. the russians wanted to help donald trump. you know, the don junior meeting in trump tower. the exposure of the clinton e-mails or podesta e-mails. the russians wanted to help donald trump. the question is did donald trump or his people want to help the russians? and we know that the republican national platform was changed. we now have these allegations that you talk about in "the new york times" there might have been contact talking about sanctions. we know michael flynn called the russian ambassador prior to the inauguration to say, hey, hold off on a response. we'll work this out. collusion is people helping each other. we know one side helped the other. now we need to learn more about what the trump organization, trump campaign may have done,
may have promised to the russians. >> i want to switch gears and ask about congresswoman omar from minnesota's latest tweet. some are calling it senate semitic. she retweeted and respond saying would love to know who congressman omar thinks is paying to be pro-israel. bad form, congresswoman. that's the second anti-semitic trope you've posted to which she posted aipac. how do you see that? >> this is part of a larger issue that's 25th up ttwisting country. we see it in virginia. people in public office should feel comfortable opining on things, but if you have concerns about the state of israel, make sure, especially given the nature of the history of israel, the nature of anti-semitism,
it's perfectly legitimate to criticize israel or the pro-israel lobby. just please be careful to do it in a way that can't be interpreted as being anti-semitic. let's have conversations about race, which is what's happening now in virginia. let's all be especially careful about what we say in the fact that, you know, what i, for example, as a northeastern white man might consider legitimate discourse may be heard differently by african-americans. so i think this is really a good example of the need for all of us to be very, very specific about what it is we are saying so that we don't come off as being anti-semitic, racist, bigoted. >> very quickly from where you sit, is the government going to shut down on friday? >> i'm still holding out hope and i'm an irredeemable optimism. i would tell you that i don't think so but we've been out of d.c. they are stumbling in the negotiations. so i don't think so.
bottom line, a government shutdown cannot and cannot ever again be a tool of policy for the government of the united states. so i certainly hope not. if it happens again, we've got to come together and make sure this is just not something that anybody ever uses when they don't get that way in washington. >> congresswoman jim himes, thank you very much. big new entries into the democratic field for president. what were the moves made this weekend. what do they mean going forward and the new controversial statement from senator elizabeth warren. that's next. because your investments deserve the full story. t. rowe price invest with confidence.
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very big weekend in the race for president. the 2020 field for democrats expanding with two new official entries into the race, and a fascinating new line of attack from massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. >> the time we get to 2020, donald trump may not even be preside president. in fact, he may not even be a free person.
>> all right. here with us now, kirsten powers and "usa today" columnist and astead herndon. you were out with elizabeth warren in south carolina. and what makes this moment in iowa over the weekend so notable is she's been very careful not to go after the president. not to respond to each and every statement that donald trump makes. so when i heard her do this i'm like, that's an interesting way of not getting in a constant battle with the president to say he may be in jail soon. >> it's definitely an escalation from the rhetoric we've seen from her previously. in the first month of events when she was still technically exploring in iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, he tried to stay focused on big policy ideas. staying away from the president and very intentional about that. but we've seen senator warren on twitter and previously willing to go a little further than other candidates in going back and forth with the president. the president likes to attack her. so i think she sees this as a way to pick and choose her spots to show that she's willing to respond.
but she -- i expect her to still be careful about that going forward because even though we have these moments, she wants to rally democrats around big structural issues and these are the icing on the cake. >> and that's the challenge for democrats. democratic primary voters want a candidate who can go toe-to-toe with the president but there's also an appetite to not be in the mud the whole time. how do you strike that balance? >> stay out of the mud. i don't think -- i just don't think anything is added to the public debate by trying to imitate donald trump. it's not something -- it's something that a lot of republican voters don't even like and that they say they voted for him in spite of it. his base likes it, obviously, but i think that it's something that people recognize has really degraded our public conversation. so i don't really think there's
anything in it for her. and you could say, i guess, she's trying to bait him, but he doesn't need to be baited and nothing is gained when he makes the attack against her. in particular, the attacks on her claims to have been native american. you know, the people who really suffer the most in those situations when donald trump attacks her for that actually isn't elizabeth warren. it's the indigenous community who has to be retraumatized by his racist tweets about indigenous people. >> he had a racist tweet at this point i don't even need to put back on the screen. when you look at what matters to democrats or what traits matter, the top of the list by a lot is a good chance to beat trump. 49% say a good chance to beat trump is the number one trait they want. 39% say the right experience. when you're talking about electability, what do you think
voters think that entails? what's the secret sauce they want? >> well, i think people are actually waiting to see. i don't know that anybody looks at the field and says oh, that person is definitely the one who is electible because you don't really know that until the race starts in earnest. people are going on name recognition and not much more frankly because most of the people running aren't well known outside of their immediate constituencies, the states they are representing, for example. so i think that what that means is, you know, a lot of people talk about amy klobuchar and say she's too moderate for the base. she's not where the base is but there also are polls showing people are willing to vote for somebody who doesn't line up with them on every single issue, if they think they are electable. the number one issue is can you beat donald trump? they want donald trump out of the white house. >> let's put up a picture this weekend of amy klobuchar announcing in minnesota. the temperature was in the teens
there. it was snowing. this is quite an image for an announcement. and kirsten gets to what her -- if not her explicit, her implicit theme here. i'm from the midwest. i'm from the middle of the party. i'm the one who can win. >> we see her leaning more into that. she's going to head to wisconsin after going to iowa saying that the last democratic nominee didn't spend time in wisconsin, taking a slight jab at hillary clinton. she's playing on those themes that this is the part of the party that we have ignored. and i am the person who can speak to them. she's a rare candidate who even republican colleagues in the senate speak very highly of on a personal level. and she's really going to try to play that up. you have other senators who will try to do that as well. senator sherrod brown who may be getting in the race can speak to that midwestern -- kind of midwestern roots, but also vice president joe biden is someone who has really played up their
electibility there. you have a couple of people that are going to play that role but the more liberal, the more progressive ones don't see that as a challenge. they say a year from now they'll be able to rally them over bigger ideas and get over this immediate idea. some folks -- that can play both ways. there are people who think hillary clinton messed up strategically there. there are also folks who think that hillary clinton was wronged and that they could look at senator klobuchar and think that was too far. >> we have a little breaking news here or breaking 2020 action. i can see you're excited in your face. california senator kamala harris was doing an interview this morning on i heart radio. she talks about legalizing marijuana which she has supported in the past in her book and before that. listen to how she describes it. >> legalizing weed. >> that's not true. >> i know. >> and, look, i joke about it,
have joked. half my family is from jamaica. are you kidding me? right, no, no, i do not. no, no. i have had concerns -- the full record, i have had concerns, which i think -- first of all, let me make this statement very clear. i believe we need to legalize marijuana. now that being said, and this is not a but, it is an and. and we need to research, which is one of the reasons we need to legalize it. we need to move it on the schedule so we can research the impact of weed on a developing brain. you know, that part of the brain that develops judgment actually -- >> so two things going on here. legalizing marijuana, which is a position she's held and is not alone in the democratic party. bernie sanders was talking about that four years popping and then the joke about half her family
being from jamaica. >> this is not newsworthy to me. she's, you know, if she tried pot first of all, it's completely irrelevant. that's a pretty common thing in this day and age. and it sounds like she does want there to be more research on the but, look, i'm sorry, alcohol is legal and people die from alcoholism all the time. it wreaks all sorts of havoc and all sorts of lives and it's legal and pot is -- compared to alcohol, it is actually not harmful at all. and so it's just a strange debate that we have in this country where there's so many things that are legal that cause so much more harm and then people get hung up on marijuana. >> john boehner wants to legal now. very quick last word on this. an issue for kamala harris going forward? >> not that one but her previous record of being hard or crime
and how she's going to reckon that with a progressive democratic base, that will be the bigger issue. not this specifically, but the larger questions of her prosecutorial record. >> thanks for being with us. watch a special cnn town hall tomorrow night. poppy harlow talks to howard schultz who is considering an independent run in 2020. that's 10:00 p.m. tomorrow night only on cnn. teachers in one city say they cannot afford to live where they work. and now they are walking out. their story, next.
jury deliberations stretching into a second week in the trial against druglord joaquin el chapo guzman. what's taking the jury so long? cnn's brynn gingras has the latest. >> it does seem like it should be a no-brainer when jurors are considering the fate of a man who is notoriously known for leading or being the mastermind behind this mexican cartel and all these charges he's facing and associated with that. but it seems like jurors are
really considering all their evidence. if you just look at the numbers, the fact this case is so dense, it gives you an idea they need some time possibly. they heard ten weeks of testimony. we're talking about hearing evidence when it comes to wiretaps and videos and that testimony was dramatic. hearing from former associates and mistresses. the verdict sheet alone is eight pages long with 53 boxes they need to check in order to arrive to this verdict. so there is a lot of sort of things they have to consider here for this case, and it does seem they are going to take their time. we'll see if this week is the week we get a verdict for el chapo. >> brynn gingras, thank you. thousands of denver public schoolteachers on the picket line this morning instead of in the classroom. negotiations over pay failed to avert their first strike in years. >> good morning. this will affect more than
90,000 students. they'll still be able to go to class but there's a good chance their teachers will not be there. talks between the district and the union broke down over the weekend, largely over money. the cost of living in denver has risen so sharply in recent years that many teachers say they are living pay check to paycheck, strugglinging to get ahead, and a lot of them say they're fed up. >> it's sad. it's sad they can't see us and they can't see what our worth is. >> i'm anxious, scared, but i'm also angry. i think a lot of us are angry. we've had enough. we feel like it's been a game they've been playing with us for months. >> so the school district says it has put a fair offer on the table. one that would boost the average teacher salary to $61,000, but the issue for the union is how that money is actually doled out. it would like to see more of it going to base pay rather than bonuses that it says are unpredictable. the district says these bonuses are merit based and incent vise
teachers to go to less affluent schools. it will have a disruption but not as big as you'd expect because the district has found nearly 3,000 substitute teachers and essential office staff to fill in the gaps for the teaches are and support staff that could walk out today. a lot of the teachers aren't members of the union so many of them will still likely show up to class today. as for renegotiations, don't those to restart until tuesday. >> thank you, scott. we'll keep an eye on what happens in denver. here's what else to watch today.
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roger stone and jerome corsi both known conspiracy theorists and president trump's informal advisers. these two are in the spotlight as robert mueller's team looks at the potential relationship between wikileaks and the trump campaign in 2016. and jeffrey toobin profiled the men and the relationship between stone and corsi in the new issue of "the new yorker." great to have you. >> you bet. >> the question you pose at the top was, what did roger stone and jerome corsi know about the
dnc hack? >> they tried very hard to find out what was in there. in the summer of 2016, wikileaks came out with the democratic national committee hack around the time of the democratic convention but julian assange said he had more, and he wanted -- and the trump campaign and certainly corsi and stone wanted to know what else was out there. so they set out to find out what else julian assange had on the clintons or democrats. and that's where the trouble began, as they say. >> just to step back as you read this piece which is in your normal, vivid language with excellent reporting, these are two strange guys. at the middle of a national fascinati fascination. >> right. and also temperamentally so different. jerome corsi is sort of scholarly. a harvard ph.d. but he's written all of these, i say this
respectfully, awful books about john kerry in the -- you know, the swift boating. he wrote the swift boat book in 2004. wrote these terrible, dishonest books about barack obama. the obama-nation, a birther book, where is the birth certificate, and, you know, but he writes these books. roger stone, as people probably remember, is this flamboyant political activist, dirty trick specialist going back to the nixon days. and but they found common cause trying to find out what was going on with wikileaks in the summer of 2016. >> and at one time, they were friends and associates, and now they're arch enemies because of all of this? >> they're arch enemies. fast forward as people may remember a couple weeks ago, roger stone was indicted by -- in the mueller investigation for lying to the house intelligence committee. corsi is, obviously, the chief
witness against him. and that has led to a falling out between them. and just last week, right before my deadline, corsi sued stone for $25 million for defamation in the course of the lead up to this case. so can this marriage be saved? doesn't look that way. >> i like how it's all about jeffrey, right before my deadline. right before me. my deadline and my issues. >> it was a struggle. >> i want to read one paragraph back to you because i found this very interesting. this gets to the substance of what's going on. for a person who is usually categorical in his statements, stone is cautious when describing trump's involvement in the quest for wikileaks documents. i have no memory of ever talking about wikileaks with him stone told me in ft. lauderdale responding to rumors that mueller had a witness who heard trump and stone talking on a speaker phone. the way he was talking jumped
out at you. >>. >> summer 2016 is when trump was saying, i love wikileaks. wikileaks is great. that, of course, raised the question, is what did trump know or what did trump do to help encourage stone and corsi to try to find out what else wikileaks had. stone says nothing. stone says, well, i don't believe i talked to him. the president has said i didn't have any contact, but it is, let us say, suspicious. now it's not necessarily illegal. >> no. >> if he had said that. if he had said go find out what wikileaks knows. but it is suspicious that that is the one thing they would not have talked about since it was of obsessive interest to both of them. >> you went to visit roger stone and you were on with us the day it was such a surprise that he was indicted and arrested in that predawn raid. did he have any sense that something was coming? >> quite the opposite.
you know, i spent the day with him about two weeks before he was arrested. and he was confident. and i spoke with his lawyers, too, that the worst was over. that he had been investigated and cleared. he still did have a legal defense fund. he was raising money. he's involved with infowars, the -- alex jones' website. and i got a souvenir there, which i'd like to share. to raise money, you know, his name is roger stone. so he had this big box of polished stones he's autographing and selling and perhaps we can -- >> that's roger stone. >> see. you contribute to roger stone's legal defense fund you get a -- >> how much do you -- >> i got mine for free because it would have been journalist journalistally inappropriate to
contribute to his legal defense fund but he's selling the rest of them. >> there's jeffrey toobin with his hands on roger stone's -- >> well. >> sometimes you think of things to say and you don't say them and you think what a good decision. >> thank you for joining us. it's in "the new yorker." a fascinating article to read. can another government shutdown be averted today? "cnn newsroom" picks up after this quick break. san marcos, costa rica. and meet sergio. that's his daughter, maria. sergio's coffee tastes spectacular. because costa rica's land is spectacular. so we support farmers like sergio. who use natural compost. made from coffee pulp. it helps keeps the soil healthy. and the coffee delicious. for the future of his community. that's sergio's neighbor, leo. sergio wants grandkids. which is making this very interesting. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters. packed with goodness.
very good monday morning. i'm jim sciutto in new york. do we have any news this week? something going on. >> it's good to be back in the chair next to you. good morning. happy monday. i'm poppy harlow. here we go again. another deadline just days away. on the day when a shutdown deal was to be announced, we're instead sees an explosive very public breakdown in border talks. the possibility of another government shutdown growing by the day. >> just after friday when there was so much talk of agreement. the sticking points right now, how much money should go to border barriers, but also how many undocumented immigrants can be held in detention facilities along the border? today is crucial as lawmakers try to work out a fix with that clock -- that countdown clock ticking. will there be a