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thanks for joining us today. i'm jim sciutto in new york. at this hour begins right now. hello. while you were sleeping a miracle may have happened. i think we have to put emphasis on may at this moment even though we are in february. congress may have reached a deal to keep the government open before the friday deadline. what is in it no one got everything they wanted. but did donald trump get what he demanded? and maybe the most telling statement, the president told a campaign rally in el paso that he didn't bother to find out. >> they say that progress has been made.
just now, just now. i said i have to take care of my people from texas. i got to go. i don't even want to hear about it. i don't want to hear about it. so i don't know what they mean. >> i don't even want to hear about it even though it is what i have been demanding for more than two months. is he on board, on the fence or on the rampage against this deal? so far crickets from his twitter feed and the white house. the president meets with his cabinet later this hour so please stay tuned for more on that. let's get to where things stand at this very moment. dana bash, abby philip, phil mattingly standing by. can some 800,000 federal employees breathe a sigh of relief? >> i think there has been a lesson probably wait until the president puts pen to paper
before breathing signs of relief or grasping the possibility. i would say this. there is a reality on capitol hill. they will lose democrats for issues on the bill. it was said that not everybody got everything they wanted. that is the art of how these things work. mitch mcconnell said the senate will move to this in short order. speaker nancy pelosi is likely behind the deal. if you want to get a sense of the mood, take a listen to what my colleague got from a couple of republican senators a short while ago. >> we don't shutdown again. shutdowns never work for anything. >> i certainly hope it is something he can accept. >> the compromise that has been reached absolutely there is no way that the country should be put through another disastrous
government shutdown. >> reporter: i think that more than anything else will likely be the bill to prevail. they don't want another shutdown. lawmakers whether they disagree on the policy here or have agreement they don't want another shutdown. that will likely get it through congress. then we will have to see what happens. >> abby, is the white house saying anything at this moment about this agreement? >> phil has a lot of the details about what is in the bill. the white house is saying that they don't. they don't know what's in this compromise agreement. so as a result they can't say whether or not president trump would support it. listen to hogan goodly explaining where they stand on this at the moment. >> chief of staff had a meeting early. he made it very clear, until we know what is in it, it is difficult to comment because we don't know what is actually in the document. we don't know what nuances are put on some of the stipulations.
until we see it, i hate to tell you i don't know where we stand, but we don't. >> reporter: the white house is leaving a lot of wiggle room for the president to make some kind of decision at some point about whether or not he is going to support this focussing in on what they are calling nuances. there were as we know from over the weekend concerns about any restrictions that might be in this bill for how the money can be spent or where it can be spentd and how they can detain people. i think the white house is trying to evaluate those kinds of details. we will hear from president trump shortly within the next hour as he goes into a cabinet meeting. it is not clear whether or not he will be ready to make a public statement about where he stands on this proposal. at the same time, administration officials are keeping out there the possibility that some kind of executive action is within the realm of possibilities. even if the president supports this compromise agreement he could move forward with
executive action that allows him to do more than congress is allowing him to do. look for that as we go forward. really everybody on both sides of pennsylvania avenue not really sure where the man stands on the issue. >> no one at the white house wants to get ahead of the boss on this one. dana, you are hear from some of the president's allies on the hill. what are they telling you? >> reporter: that the president is likely to sign this and to go along with what is by any measure less than the president wanted at the beginning of this process before the government shutdown for more than 30 days which is kind of remarkable on its face. what i am told by a conservative house member is that what he is being urged to do is sign it, avoid a government shutdown,
keep things going, make clear that he believes that congress can't do its job and look for avenues where he can use his executive powers. now, i am told that there are options, which we have been reporting on that the president has been presented when it comes to how he can use executive powers. the emergency declaration is probably low on the list right now. he has other options like using a pot of money from the department of homeland security or from the pentagon. that is likely going to be where he goes if he chooses this in tandem with signing this very, very disappointing piece of legislation if he goes down that path from the perspective of the president. but even the president's conservative allies sense what was heard from republicans on capitol hill.
they are over it. they are done with this. they want to move on and fight other fights and put this behind them. >> it seemed mitch mcconnell was hinting at this. if this is the plan that the president will go around congress to get more funding for the wall even if they pull it together and send it to him, what does congress do? >> executive action not necessarily emergency declaration. if the president declares an emergency that is a major issue for republicans on capitol hill. it was made clear publically it is not something he supports. it is something that will run into major issues from executive branch versus legislative branch and general opposition to overreach by the president. that if he did decide to go forward the house and the senate will consider resolutions to block that. there is a real possibility both
chambers would end up passing him. you heard the white house shift heavily to finding these pots of money in various agencies. there is little or limited recourse in terms of what lawmakers can do. there could be lawsuits related to those moves. one question i had is when you start taking money sometimes they don't appreciate it particularly if that money was designated for their districts or particular states. there is not a definite recourse like there would be. >> it's less than the president wanted. it's less than a bipartisan deal offered. it is less than vice president pence had gone to the hill. how does the white house spin this as a win or maybe they don't? >> i think as much as the combing through the fine print
as hogan said they are doing at the white house, you can bet they are crafting their message on how to spin this even as much as maybe more combing through the fine print of this because talking about putting lip stick on a you know what, the president could have gotten this even better than this before this government shutdown, avoided a shutdown. but because of the shutdown, people are at wits end. when i say people i mean the people who are actually in the room negotiating. the members of congress, republicans and democrats, particularly republicans who find compromise for a living, they were allowed to do what they are supposed to do, to negotiate, to get as members on both sides are saying, not the perfect solution for any of them, but certainly not close to what the president wanted. i think that is definitely going to be one thing to watch how the
president spins this if in fact he does go ahead and sign what is way less than he wanted and demanded. >> let us all acknowledge a moment, even if it is only on principle, there is a -- that is unusual. we are seeing unicorns and rainbows and butterflies flying all over capitol hill or at least that is what we should be seeing. i can't let you guys go while all that is happening, something happened that can't go unnoticed when the president was holding his rally. a journalist was attacked at the trump campaign rally. if you have not seen it, here is the moment that it happened. >> lowest level in the history of our country.
[ bleep ]. >> everything okay? please. okay. thank you. >> that was the bbc. have you heard anything from the president's team about this? >> really a scary moment there for people who were at the rally, including many of our colleagues. the white house and the trump campaign so far haven't said anything about this incident that occurred last night. you can hear in the clip president trump kind of being taken aback by what was going on at his rally. this has been an escalating situation for years now where the crowd is getting really jenned up by fake news chants and cnn sucks chants. i think we have all gotten a little used to it. the consequence is that in this case someone was able to get
into the press pad, knocked over a reporter, could have hurt him but luckily did not and really created a kind of scary situation for many reporters there last night. we'll keep you posted if we hear anything back from them at least a statement condemning what happened at that rally. >> that could have been the very least that could have happened last night. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. we'll see what happens when president trump will be holding a meeting. a former white house aid writes a tell all book about the trump administration. why is he suing the president? beto o'rourke held his own rally last night and the same city the president was in. what o'rourke told cnn about a possible 2020 run. autoglass we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why we show you exactly when we'll be there. saving you time, so you can keep saving the world.
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there has been a lot of tell all books written already about this white house. the author of the book is suing the president over the book. cliff simms file ag lawsuit against the president for what he calls an attempt to silence him and bully him as he promotes his new book. why the lawsuit and what is likely to come of it? joining me now is one of the attorneys representing simms in the lawsuit, brad moss. thanks for coming in. >> absolutely. >> in the lawsuit, you accuse the trump campaign of being an illegitimate cutout and accusing the government of intentionally and unconstitutionally engaging in an effort to use a private entity to do its bidding to
silence mr. simms when it is really the powers of the presidency coming down upon a sole individual. have you heard anything from the white house about this? >> no, not yet. the only thing heard so far was the demand for arbitration in which was by the campaign tweet 20 minutes after president trump defamed mr. simms. former federal employees under long established judicial precedent have a constitutional right to disclose unclassified information regarding what they saw and observed. this is long precedent. if there was classified information that would be one thing. team of vipers, the entire depland for arbitration concerns things that mr. simms saw and is disclosing that happened during his federal service, but they are using the campaign
nondisclosure agreement to try to silence him. this is circumventing decades of precedent. >> simms said this morning that he is not going to be bullied. that perked up my ears and made me wonder if anyone from the white house thore campaign has communicated with him about his book outside of this arbitration. >> not to my knowledge. there has been no verbal threats that i'm aware of to him coming from the white house beyond the actions they have taken. this is donald j. trump in his capacity as the president using his campaign as the cutout effectively doing through his campaign what he can't do as the president because the government would have no case if this was the u.s. government normally trying to bring this action, normally trying to stop mr. simms from further disclosing this information. he is using the power of the
presidency, ininstructing his campaign to bring mr. simms in for things that happened during his time in the white house. >> is there anything in the book that could be construed as being part of the campaign? >> i'm sure there are various pieces of the initial pages of the book. when we look through the demand for arbitration and to the statement of claims that the campaign submitted everything is about stuff from mr. simms' time in the white house. >> this gets to the nda. simms says he doesn't know if he signed a nondisclosure agreement when taking the job at the white house. have you tried to confirm with the white house that he signed an nda before filing this lawsuit? >> no. it really ultimately doesn't matter either way because the basis, the way in which the
trump campaign through president trump is trying to silence mr. simms is based off the campaign nda. the reason they will not bother trying to use the white house nda, this new additional thing, is because it would be unenforceable. unless it is classified information you cannot censor it which is why they haven't bothered and why we didn't look into it any deeper. >> what do you hope happens and comes from this? >> i think we want toclarify and make sure that mr. simms can continue to disclose information, unclassified information about what he saw and inform the public about what he observed in the white house, continue to sell the book without fear of monetary damages and during the course of this litigation both the arbitration which we are representing and the federal lawsuit we will seek discovery. we will flesh out for certain who was involved and whether or
not the full extent in which donald trump personally instructed this action to be taken using his role, trying to straddle the line between private citizen and president of the united states. we will bring those details to light. >> one of the strangest things about this is that cliff simms is not really going after the president in his book. he is very critical of people around the president, but simms said he supports the president's agenda. how can your client say he still supports the president's agenda and supports the president when he is suing the president at the same time? >> because in the end just as cliff said this morning on new day, he doesn't like to be bullied. the only way he knows donald trump responds to anything is through strength. donald trump put him into a corner and said we are going to try to financially infringe upon your rights and deprive you of your constitutional rights.
>> how can cliff simms say he still supports the president if he thinks the president is unconstitutionally trying to quiet him and silence him and bully him? >> the way any number of people may have personal political allegiances or views similar to the particular person while not agreeing with the actions. i think part of what we are trying to flesh out here, a lot of the criticism was of the people the president surrounded himself with. i think part of the story here that we will find is how much the president has once again been ill-served by those around him and those who may have advised him and encouraged him to push for the arbitration. >> it sets up such a strange dynamic. have you asked cliff simms if he would work for the president? >> i haven't. i think that would be a question left for cliff. i think cliff will continue the
book tour. he is going to continue the work he was doing before he joined the trump campaign in 2016. he had a career before that and will continue one without it. he supports the president personally. it's neither here nor there for me. our view is to uphold the constitutional rights of this individual. if donald trump can do this to cliff simms, he can do it to anybody else. >> thanks for coming in. i really appreciate it. >> absolutely. >> we'll see what happens. beto o'rourke holds his own rally in texas, calls out president trump over his demand for a border wall. does that mean that all signs point to o'rourke ready to run? ♪
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the contrast could not have been clearer over the border wall. a republican president heads to a hometown of a challenger. donald trump versus beto o'rourke. >> walls work. actually, there is nothing like them from what we are talking about. we want to stop drugs. we want to stop traffickers. we want to stop criminals from coming in. walls save lives. >> we know that walls do not
save lives. walls end lives. >> so was this a preview of the 2020 matchup? what does any of that mean in the face of a deal between democratic and republican lawmakers to avoid a shutdown on the wall on the hill? joining me now former presidential candidate john kasich. great to see you, governor. >> i'm going to get to your question here. i'm not surprised. i predicted -- i'm not a great predictor, i said i believe they would reach agreement and they have. when you put people in a room and i have been in those rooms and involved in many negotiations that they were able to reach an agreement. the question is is the president going to sign it? if i were to predict this one, i would say he will sign it and try to move money that is perhaps in the department of defense to try to do more for the wall.
that is hue he will try to mullify who will become critics on the right. nobody wants to go through another government shutdown. and then the debate about the wall. beto is a texas democrat. he is pretty moderate, pretty smart in the fact that he picks the issues that he thinks resonates with his base. the question for beto is what is his lane? how is he willing to present himself? >> from what you have seen and what you saw last night, if you were in his shoes and looking at the field that is out there right now, would you jump in? >> well, considering the fact that i have run for president, the answer is what is he comfortable with? does he have the fundraising base? maybe. he was running against ted cruz in texas. so the real issue is can he maintain that fundraising base?
is he unique? in other words, you have a number of people on the left. you have medicare for all and maybe wealth tax. where does beto put himself? will he compete over there or more in the middle? if you remember will herd did not go out and support the democrat opponent. so the question is can beto be both a moderate and appeal to progressives at the same time? that is what i'm sure he is asking himself. is he in for this kind of a campaign? does his family want to do it? people say he ought to run for president. he will just run for president. it's very, very difficult. it takes a lot of time. it is excruciatingly hard. at the same time, it can be a great experience sblmpt deyou have run in a crowded field for the white house before.
what do you think? is that your biggest lesson knowing what you are going to get into? what is your biggest lesson in how you stand out in that crowded field? >> for me, what i learned in the campaign is i won my lane. the only person to beat me in new hampshire was donald trump. so that was a pretty good win. when i went on to south carolina, we didn't get coverage. no one knew who i was in the south. the states were so big i couldn't break through. what i learned in the campaign is this. it's not about this specific policy proposal or some other. it's about the way the people feel about you. and i am convinced in an era of ever changing economics, people want to know do you care about me? that is why it is important that republicans have answers, real good answers on health care, why they have really good answers on what we are going to do about the growing gap between the rich and the poor? how does this all work out?
in the beginning you have to tell people who you are and they have to like you and you have to have a spark. i think beto, people like him. where does that go once he is out there competing against people who are farther to the left. >> i one name that has been floated out as a potential republican primary challenger to president trump is larry hogan other than yourself. let me play you what larry hogan told erin burnett last night. >> look, i'm flattered that people are talking about that. i haven't really given much thought to that at all. >> it's not a no, as we say. what do you think of governor hogan? >> it wasn't a very good yes, either. i haven't really thought about it. you have to think about it. you have to have things in place wrmpt a . where are your supporters? who are they? can you raise the money?
how do you compete? >> most important question of the day. i have noticed from twitter that you have taken up yoga. has yoga broughten you more clarity about your decision. >> everybody is talking about the fact that i'm on instagram talking about things that are important to me. yoga was one of them. i'm going to keep at yoga. but i went with my wife to see the iconic singer cher. popping up in the beginning of a show was her relationship with sonny. he and i were in congress together. we hung out a lot together and laughed. he was a very wise guy in many different ways. i think that the instagram gives you an opportunity not just to put silly things up there. i think what people want to know who is are you? that is what is exciting about instagram. >> now john kasich and yogi is
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holding a meeting with his cabinet. that meeting deserves special attention as this could be the first read out that the country and the congress may get on whether he is willing to accept the deal in principle reached by congressional negotiators and what next steps may be, a deal to avoid get another government shutdown with a deadline approaching at the end of this week. while we wait for that, what are lawmakers on the hill saying about this? joining me now democratic congressman from kentucky. mr. chairman, thanks for coming in. >> absolutely. good to be with you, kate. >> so they have a deal in principle. what do you think of it? >> i think it is what every compromise should be. it's not everything democrats wanted. it's not everything republicans wanted and not everything the president wanted. it's i think a reasonable compromise done by republicans and democrats from both chambers and most importantly it keeps the government operating which should be our number one
priority. >> it's just over a billion dollars for a barrier. one top negotiator said this morning that this is not a wall. these are fences. if republicans or the president are call tging it a wall, is tha problem for you? >> we are not going to worry about what he calls anything because you never know what he is going to say. what we know is that what we understand of the agreement in principle, it does provide for some reasonable border security and reasonable barrier. we never opposed them. we said a concrete wall from sea to the gulf of mexico doesn't make any sense. so from what i understand about the agreement, this represents i think something that democrats can live with and that complies with our values and interest in border security. >> our reporting is that one
route that the president might take is sign this to keep the government open but also sign executive action to get more money for the wall. does this change the deal for you if this is the plan? >> no because he always had that option. at least i'm hopeful and it looks like he is not going to resort to declaring a national emergency in order to get this done which would result in tons of litigation and a lot of controversy. i had the opportunity to be with the chief of staff over the weekend. he said to us and he said on national television on sunday that they were going to look for other funding regardless of what the congress came up with. so that's what they were going to do. we'll live with whatever they do and then we will fight it out in the political arena. >> do you acknowledge that there is not much that congress can do if the president has found pots
of money in the pentagon budget or the army corps budget to put more money to the wall without congress? >> it is my understanding that there are certain pockets of money that the administration can reprogram. some of it they just have to notify congress they are doing. other pockets they have to request permission from congress. i think they will take the steps of least resistance first and find the money where they don't have to notify us. we would have clearly some things we could not prevent. we have to live with that. >> looks like we are seeing the path forward taking shape right now. i do want to ask you, your fellow democrat in the house has now apologized for what she wrote on twitter. she said her intentions were never to offend constituents or jewish-americans as a whole. you spoke out against omar yourself.
do you think this apology is enough or do you think she should face other consequences? >> i accept her apology. i think she is new to congress even though she is not new to politics. there is a way you talk about these issues that is acceptable and there is a way not. in this particular case she crossed the line. it is certainly fair game. i as a jewish-american, i do it all the time and am critical of the israeli government and the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. that doesn't make me anti-semitic to criticize the actions of the israeli government. when you start kwepquestioning motives of organizations gets into a gray area where some people will interpret that. that is where she was on dangerous turf. >> if you have a quick final talk, today is the beginning of funeral services for former
congressman john dengell. you posted a nice comment on twitter. your thoughts today as his funeral services begin. >> a wonderful man, a man of great humor and committed to the highest standards of public service. we bet on the michigan louisville championship game in 2013. he lost and came to pay off which was deli food from ann arb arbor. he sat with my staff. i have very fond memories of john. the country was well served by him. he should be a model for all of us who serve here. >> thank you so much for coming in. thank you for sharing your thoughts. you are looking live at the funeral services in michigan. we wish our best to the congressman's family. thank you so much. coming up for us, new york's
democratic governor is meeting today with president trump. what could those two be talking about? it has to do with your taxes. truecar is great for finding new cars. you're smart, you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar.
this afternoon new york's democratic governor andrew cuomo was set to meet with president trump at the white house, and it's all about taxes. the big issue is the state and local tax reduction lovingly known as salt. the president put a cap on those deductions and cuomo says it's left new york with a massive bill in its budget now.
allison is here. blue states say they're unfairly tar targeted here. red states say it's necessary. who is right? >> it's questionable whether they can get anything done. this all stems from the gop tax bill that president trump spearheaded. it basically limits the amount of state and local tax you can deduct from your tax bill, and that's hurting taxes in states where they have higher taxes. it was one of the more controversial parts of tax reform that was passed in 2017, so this capped how much you could deduct from state and local taxes to just $10,000. before the deduction was actually unlimited. i'm laying it out for the salt change there. the gop has justified this by saying this would stop the federal government from subsidizing higher state taxes and raise revenues to pay for tax cuts that were given to mostly businesses. but lawmakers who are in the high tax states are complaining
this cap disproportionately hurts their residents in new york and new jersey. taxpayers in new york will pay roughly 14 billion more dollars in federal taxes this year, and that drives people in states like miami from paying the salt tax. so governor cuomo plans to meet with president trump today to discuss removing the cap which disproportionately hits those blue states, and it's a criticism that cuomo and other lawmakers have levied against the tax bill. >> what it does is it has created two different tax structures in this country. and it has created a pref preferential tax structure in
certain states. >> i think the genie is already out of the bottle. chuck grassley said the panel would not revisit the deduction cap later this year. once you start to try to roll back things, especially when it involves taxes, i say good luck. >> there is compromise in the air today, so -- sure, i'm not even going to pretend. we'll be right back. cal: we saved our money and now, we get to spend it - our way. ♪ valerie: but we worry if we have enough to last. ♪ cal: ellen, our certified financial planner™ professional, helps us manage our cash flow and plan for the unexpected. valerie: her experience and training gave us the courage to go for it. it's our "confident forever plan"... cal: ...and it's all possible with a cfp® professional. find your certified financial planner™ professional
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in their view an independent running this time would ensure another term for president trump. can democrats win him over tonight? great to see you, vanessa. so schultz is likely to face some tough questions tonight. what should folks expect? >> definitely. this is going to be an opportunity for howard schultz to road-test some of his potential policies. we know that in the past, he's basically just said what he agrees with democrats and republicans on and what he disagrees with them on, but nothing concrete from himself. so we're expecting him to tackle topics like immigration, gun control, health care, and most of those questions will be coming from voters in the audience. and one way he's really been able to connect with voters is telling his story of when he was born in brooklyn, lived in public housing and had working class parents, and he's hoping that tonight he'll be able to talk a little bit more about that message and hopefully connect with some voters in the
audience and viewers at home, kate. >> a tall order but he has a big opportunity tonight. vanessa, great to see you. thank you so much. do not forget, folks, tonight a special cnn presidential town hall with howard schultz in houston. poppy harlow is moderating. tonight, 10:00 p.m. thanks for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. it's a busy new day. thank you for sharing it with us. yes or no, congress asked to boost wall funding money and keep the government open. no word is whether he'll sign it. a tax on the new green deal which he labels socialist democrats. but did the choice of el pa