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longer they're not protected. >> it affects your kid and it affects other kids in the community. that's an obligation. in simplest terms get your kids vaccinated. just do it. >> and do it on time. thank you all for being with us today. i'm poppy harlow. i'll see you in new york tomorrow morning. >> "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts now. hello, everyone. the deal was on and off, a long shot and then within reach. today it seems closer than they've ever been. still, the biggest question leading up to another government shutdown deadline is, will the president sign it. right now on capitol hill congressional negotiators are still coming up with the text of the deal they struck to keep the government open and give some money toward border security including a barrier. republicans and democrats behind
closed doors this morning trying to sell the plan to their own parties. one thing is certain, that it looks like there is still work to be done when it comes to the president. >> we want to see what the final piece of legislation looks like. it's hard to say whether the president is going to sign it until we know everything that's in it. the president isn't fully happy with everything that's in the legislation, but there are some positive pieces of it. one way or the other and one thing you can be sure of is at the end of the day the president is going to build the wall. >> and i likely don't need to remind you at this point, but the clock is running out. washington has until friday to get something passed and the president to sign it. with basically everyone saying they think they can avoid a shutdown this time, is anyone ready to say this is going to be an easy race to the finish? dana bash and phil mattingly standing by. your heard what sarah sanders
said there just a short time ago. what are your sources telling you, though? >> that the president is telling people that he does intend to sign this bill. that's according to two people who have spoken to the president. they are also saying that the president is making clear privately what we just heard from sarah sanders. he's not happen, but he also understands now from experience the perils of a government shutdown. we are up against it and if and when this bill comes to his desk, he is going to have to sign it. that is what he is saying, at least has been over the past 24 hours privately to people he's talking to. that's what i'm told. but he's also going to make clear when he does it that he's going to use other executive powers to try to find more money to keep building that wall. >> so, phil, what does congress need to do to get at least through this first step to get
the bill passed by friday? >> reporter: finish writing it would be a good start. obviously reaching the deal is an important part of the process, but putting it to paper is not an easy part. it's an arduous process. this is a seven funding bill package, more than a thousand pages, a lot of in the weeds details to draft. i'm hold at this moment the process is moving along quicker than they thought it would be at this point. behind closed doors you've seen republicans yesterday, democrats in the house today, meet with their members, trying to express optimism for the deal why people should get behind it. i'm told house democrats were generally positive about the agreement. >> as with all compromises, i say to people support the bill for what is in it, don't judge it for what is not in it. you can't pass it until it's
ready. >> reporter: the expectation is the house will move first, likely tomorrow night, the senate will follow in short order. the expectation is they will be able to pass it probably by a pretty decent margin. first things first, got to actually finish writing the bill. >> yeah. i think so. that sounds so genius and so easy and so not at the same time. let's say this easy/hard stuff happens and the president does sign the bill. can you lay out what the next steps are in terms of more funding for the wall? >> he has been presented and has even talked about this pluublic a whole list of option where is he can use his executive power to get more money. not the kind of money he's asking for. he's asking for $5.7 billion. even with the executive pours he has, the pots of money won't get him up to that number after he
signs his bill. there are pots of money. the biggest, 3.6 billion is part of a pretty big deal if he did, which is declaring a national emergency. we have been talking about the fact that republicans in congress starting with the leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell has been saying don't do that because if a democratic president did that it would be considered by far an overreach of executive powers. but the other things on that screen smaller pots coming from the department of homeland security, department of defense, those are areas where the president can use executive authority to take that money and put it toward the continuing of the building of the wall in addition to the money he's going to get for border security broadly in this bill presuming the thousand or so pages are put into legislative text and pass the house and the senate.
>> we've seen this before. >> can i just throw this other thing out there? when you have these giant bills, there sometimes are things in these bills that nobody anticipates that cause some last minute problems. >> yes. >> so you never know. >> phil, what are your hearing about what republicans are doing behind the scenes to try to get the president to a place of yes with this deal? >> reporter: i think what dana laid out has actually been an important pitch for republicans. i'm told at this moment republicans still have not gotten an explicit assurance the president will sign this bale. i had several republican aides send me dana's story this morning that the president was going to sign it with enthusiasm. but you have senate republicans trying to stress this is a multistep process. they're using the word down
payment. they're talking about how this is part of a broader concept. they're focusing on the idea that this is more than just a border barrier money bill, this is a broader homeland security bill. when you put it all together on border security, technology and infrastructure, the border barriers as well, personnel, it comes out to about $23 billion. after the call with senator shelby, president trump tweeted that $23 billion number out. you're seeing republicans trying to focus on the messaging to the president that, sure, maybe you didn't get everything you want, but you did get a lot to help on the issue that you think is most prominent to your future and your campaign. there are a couple of minor issues still being worked out right now. one in particular violence against women act. there's a little bit of a tiff under federal contractor back pay.
aides in both parties tell me that won't sink the deal but those outstanding smaller issues are really kind of front and center right now. >> then you get to read a thousand pages and tell us what happens in it when it drops. it sounds so easy. no, not even close. g i do want to ask you, congressman, what you are hearing. dana and phil have their ear to the ground always. what are you hearing? is everything moving in the direction of passage or do you see snags? >> i think dana and phil are right on. a big rumor i've heard in our own caucus this morning very positive. there are at the moment no poison pills we're aware of, although they could slip in. i think we're on path to get this thing to the president by
friday, well before the deadline when a shutdown would occur. will something trip it up? well, the most important thing is a veto by the president. i don't think that's going to happen. >> this might go without saying, but you're definitely going to support it even though you haven't seen a full legislative tax yet? >> if there's a poison pill in there, that would be a very deadly poison pill for me to take part in shutting down the government. this is not the end of the process. this is actually last year's process. next year's process is underway now and that is the writing of the next appropriation bill and many of these issues will be back on top of the agenda. >> the white house press secretary said this morning that right now they're not committing to whether the president will sign onto this plan or not.
that might just be a statement of reality. you don't know what the president is going to do until he does it. does that make it harder for republicans to sign on? >> i don't think so. there is no appetite -- and i've talked to democrats and republicans both houses -- there's no appetite for a shutdown. we want to keep the government operating. democrats and republicans alike from the most conservative to the most pregnantive. >> all of the reporting is that the president is likely not going to go the route of declaring a national emergency to get more money with the wall. >> right. >> with that said, is your bill necessary? >> it is. the legislation we have would repeal the 1986 provision that was written during the height of the nuclear standoff during the reagan administration to give the president the power to move public works money that the army
corps of engineers has to deal with a nuclear attack. we're not there today and god help us if we ever get back to that situation. so this has never been used. certainly there is no justification for the president to you it today. should we come to the need for public works projects, walls or others, we have a way of doing it. it's called the constitution. come to the congress. go through the appropriation process, make a determine fwh s whether it's appropriate and useful to spend money on that. right now there's $37 billion the president could conceivably take out of communities around the nation, money that is desperately needed for economic development, for the waterways, for the ports and even more important for flood protection in houston and california and puerto rico and other places. we don't want him to do that and i know for a fact that states
and local communities are gearing up to file a lawsuit that the president is using a sham emergency to override the constitutional authority of congress to appropriate money. guaranteed lawsuit, guaranteed that some court is going to say, yep, you're right, we're going to stop the president. >> that is if he would go the route of declaring an emergency declaration. >> yes. >> there's not route they could go which is by finding pots of money by combing through the law, finding pots of money to put toward the wall. even if your big was taken up and passed and signed by the president, fellow democrats still think the president has this way of going around congress to get money. let me play you what the house budget committee chairman told me just yesterday. >> it's my understanding that there are certain pockets of money that the administration can reprogram.
some of it they just have to notify congress they're doing. other pockets they have to actually request permission from congress. so i think they'll take the steps of least resistance first, find the money they might have where they only have to notify us or maybe don't even have to. >> yarmouth is correct on the technical details. however, there's this thing called we don't vacate the field. if the president goes over and overrides the appropriation process by moving significant amounts of money from one program to another, there is a thing called we'll see you tomorrow, mr. president. you're going to have to come back here for all of your programs for everything. so the president needs to be
careful about that. he's already learned what happens when you try to override the authority of congress. that was a 35-day shutdown. i would hope he doesn't want that again. in addition to that, some of those authorities and one that i'm particularly concerned about because i spent the last eight years working on the u.s. coast guard. the u.s. coast guard interdicts ten times the amount of drug that is the border patrol does on the mexican border. there is a possibility of about a billion dollars that we've appropriated to rebuild coast guard cities which is essential to protect the coast guard of the united states. the coast guard provides a wall 1500 miles at sea. the president could face quite a threat to other things he thinks
are important. >> that sounds like a threat. >> take it how you want. we're interested in making sure that those programs, whatever they may be, many of those important to individual communities as we talked about with the civil works project of the army corps of engineers, communities that need to be protected from floods, from hurricanes, tornados and the economy, the commerce of the rivers. all of those things are important to us. we represent these communities and we're not going to stand by as the president rips off programs those communities desperately need to protect the citizens whose lives may be endangered. >> there's no way you could prevent him on the front end of doing it, but you're saying you've got to come to us for money later and that's where he'll pay a price? >> absolutely he'll pay a price. in some cases, he has to go and get prior permission. other cases he has to report
back. in both cases he does not have constitutional authority to appropriate money. the congress of the united states, the house and the senate are the only branch of government of the three that has the power to say we will spend money on this or that and we will raise taxes to pay for it. that's our responsibility, the president's responsibility is to carry out those appropriations and laws. >> thank you for coming in. >> my pleasure. thank you. coming up for us, what i say the top republican in the senate calling for a vote on the democrats' green new deal? it has less to do with climate change and everything to do with 2020. plus, the top republican on the senate intelligence committee says he's had it with donald trump's former attorney. this is dell cinema technology with cinemastream for less buffering, cinemasound for brilliant clarity, and cinemacolor for ultra vivid color. shop the biggest presidents day ever at dell.com.
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it was almost an offhand comment or so it seemed from the top republican in the senate yesterday. listen. >> i've noted with great interest the green new deal. and we're going to be voting on that in the senate. we'll give everybody an opportunity to go on record and see how they feel about the green new deal. >> but make no mistake, it is a new political power play by senator mcconnell. why else would the senator want to hold a vote on the green new deal? it hasn't gone anywhere near a committee. yet it promises things like a complete shift to renewable and zero emissions energy sources by 2030 and promises a federal jobs guarantee. maybe he just wants to put
democrats on the spot, including those running for president. here's what amy klobuchar says about it. >> i'm in favor of it simply because i see it as a framework to jump start a discussion. we need to put out a negotiating bid here. i don't see it as something that we can get rid of all these industries or do this in a few years. that doesn't make sense to me. what does make sense to me is to start doing concrete things and put some aspirations out there on climate change. >> i love the face, chris. this is one of the issues that you say democrats are in a way helping donald trump toward reelection. why? >> amy klobuchar gets at it, which is she's for the green new deal, but she doesn't think it will actually work. we can't do all the things that the green new deal says. so you're not really for it. the issue is that you're talking
about a radical rethinking of the american economy to deal with climate change. it's hugely expensive. no price tag has been put it on on purpose because the price tag would be vast and it would start with a t as in trillions of dollars. if you listened to donald trump speak in el paso on monday night, he repeatedly talked about it. they're trying to get rid of air travel and coal energy and everything that you like and hold dear. how are they going to take a train to hawaii, he asked. this is the sort of thing he can seize onto paint democrats as out of step. >> when mcconnell says he's going to put the deal up for a vote, he's doing so to make a political point. we all know the president would never sign something like this into law. does this put the democratic
senators that want to run, does it put them in a tough spot? >> yes, no question. the base of their party wants this. there's a reason this has been introduced, because they view the need for radical change in the way which we approach energy in this country and the economy in this country and climb change in this country. mcconnell, because he's been in politics for so long, that's how you get to not crack a smile in that clip you showed where he's talking about he wants to have a vote on the green new deal. he is doing this purely for show reasons. he wants to put these people on the record. i will note that mitch mcconnell during the government shutdown repeatedly rejected the idea of show votes because he said it was pointless. well, this is a show vote 100%. >> is the prerogative of the leader in charge of the chamber.
howard schultz called the green new deal not realistic and immoral. he also said he wouldn't be a spoiler if he got in the race as an independent, but he wouldn't commit to dropping out of the race if it became apparent that he was drawing votes away from the democratic nominee. how can both of these things be true? >> well, they can't. i mean, i thought that town hall was fascinating television, but a disaster for howard schultz. he has no policy positions. his policy position -- our colleague poppy harlow pressed him on health care, the green new deal, immigration, prescription drug prices. his answer literally to everything was this, well, we need more humility and we need to get away from the revenge politics of the left and right. that's not a policy.
it's not even close to one. breaking this morning, paul manafort's attorneys are now claiming that the former trump campaign chairman did not lie to the special counsel. that's according to a new core filing. what does this mean now in the fight that paul manafort has been fighting in court for what seems like forever. and ux f sport, d lexus ux with the latest safety system standard, best-in-class turn radius and best-in-class mpg. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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break news this morning about former trump campaign chairman paul manafort, his legal team filing critical new documents ahead of a heing later today, all related to the allegation that he violated his plea deal with the special counsel. what are you hearing right now? >> there's a new filing in this ongoing saga of whether paul manafort breached his plea agreement. his lawyers say unequivocally that he did not law. one of the issues the special counsel's office says he lied about have to do with conversations cohen had with a russian who has ties to russian intelligence. at the heart of their case was conversations about a ukrainian peace plan. manafort's lawyers have said
that when they discussed this idea in 2016 during the campaign, manafort told him, it was a quote, crazy, unquote, requested. now we're back in another sealed hearing. we do expect the judge to rule possible as soon as today on whether manafort breached his plea agreement and what implications that may have on her senten his sentencing. >> every filing raises more questions. thank you so much for bringing it to us. coming up, the deadline to avoid another government shutdown is now just two days away. where do things stand? we're going to ask the top republican negotiator in the house who brokered the deal. ♪
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we are watching both ends of pennsylvania avenue as we are now just two days away from another government shutdown. on capitol hill we're told the legislative text hasn't yet been completed for the deal. things are fluid seems to be the phrase of the day. or maybe that should describe this entire year so far. the white house at the moment still won't say definitively if the president is going to sign it. joining me right now is the top republican on the house appropriations committee, congresswoman kate granger of
texas. is this a done deal? >> no. it's not a done deal. it's not a done deal until everyone votes and the votes are counted. >> have you received any assurance from the white house that if it makes it out of the house and senate, that the president will sign onto this? >> the president has said he's disappointed in the number of miles. we were too. he said he has seen a printout of the high points. he likes those. but no, he hasn't said affirmatively what he's going to do, but i'm certainly hoping he'll sign the bill after it's passed. >> i know he spoke with senator shelby. have you heard from the president directly? >> no, i haven't. senator shelby is really taking the lead on this. he's the one that's talked to the president, brought back what the president was most important to him. he had a meeting yesterday that talked about the high points,
some of the sticking points and he reached the decisions. >> are you more or less confident today this will be approve e approved? >> i'm more confident. >> what leads you to that? is it conversations you're having with fellow republicans? >> it is. and democrats. when it came out, we said it was a tentative agreement because we reached a point where we needed to know can we come to an agreement on the most important issu issues. at that time, it was the number of miles and the type of miles. is it miles in the places that have the most urgent need? it turned out what the democrats had given to us was not that. we had prioritiy eies one throu eight but we got six, seven and eight. talking about miles, are they new miles? are they reworking miles where
fence was used that wasn't secure enough? in many places it wasn't. it was redoing those old walls or fences and that was not acceptable at all. the fence that the president talked about in his state of the union message is the fence we need. call it a wall, call it a fence, but you can't drive through it, you can't cut through it, you can't blow it up. it has technology that allows the border patrol to get there in time to stop people from crossing the wall. so we wanted language in there that made sure those issues were considered and we got the miles we needed. then we had the issue about i.c.e. the issue about i.c.e. came up late in the negnegotiations. the democrats were saying put a cap on the types of cases i.c.e. could do and also limited their beds so that we had a finite number that could be, should be
taken into custody because we had no place to put them. we disagreed with that and we fought it out and we got what we wanted on the i.c.e. and on the numbers and no cap. for that, we gave up some miles. >> congresswoman, what is your reaction to this? it's kind of an ongoing threat or promise from the president that he wants more money for what he calls a wall. and he is prepared to and they're drawing up plans to go around congress even after this deal, go around congress to get that money. >> the president had been very, very clear from the time he was campaigning, we need a wall, we need a wall that's secure, we need a wall that keeps us safe. and that's been number one. i went to the border. i've been there many, many times, but i went this last week, arrived back in washington literally an hour before the state of the union. i came back to tell people what
the president is saying is exactly right. it is a crisis at the border. we do need a wall. >> do you support him going around congress? >> if that's what he has to do. >> you think it's within his constitutional rights? >> from what i've known, i believe that. i'll say it very clear. he's going to get the miles he needs to keep us secure. we got as many as we could do on this agreement. we fought for those miles, many new miles, good miles in the right place. but the american people deserve that wall. >> if you're taking bets today, are you taking a bet this gets through congress and the president signs your deal? >> i would bet yes. >> as the ranking member of the appropriations committee you and the chairwoman mark the first time women have held the top spots on a house committee since the '70s. my colleague dana bash
highlighted this history making moment in her series "badass women kwt women". >> we're going to disagree but not be disagreeable and work things out, do it on time, do it the right way. >> i am really struck how you two can make it work on really important issues. this is one of the most important committees in the house and so many other leaders on capitol hill can't. why is that? >> what i said i meant. we agreed to disagree when we had to but not be disagreeable. we each decided to make it work in every case, any opportunity we had to make things work. and we've worked together. there's a great deal of respect. our relationship is based on a mutual respect. i respect a hard working woman who stands up for what she believes and gets things done and she feels the same about me.
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jessica schneider and fred pleitg pleitgen. what are you learning about this person and what she's charged with? >> she's a 39-year-old american woman who's now defected to iran. she was a former air force intelligence specialist. she's now been charged with spying for iran. the indictment alleges in the years after monica whit left the air force she traveled to a conversation for the islamic revolutionary guard corps. in the months following that conference after 2012, she was allegedly targeted and recruited by the iranian government even as much as they provided housing and computer equipment for her. and then prosecutors allege that she handed over classified information to an iranian government official. that classified information included the code name and classified mission of a department of defense program. in addition to that, monica whit also allegedly provided research
on her former coworkers in the intelligence community to four iranian nationals who actually targeted those individuals through their computer accounts and they did it by using imposter social media accounts and working to deploy malware that would provide access to the computers and networks of these members of the u.s. intelligence community. kate, monica witt at this point is in iran and defected there in 2013 and they do have a warrant out for her arrest and they're trying to get her back to the u.s. to face charges. >> some pretty stunning charges, and there's been reaction from the iranian government? >> hi, kate. so far what we've been doing is we've been scanning iranian
state media which is where these things turn up first. so far we haven't seen anything yet. they are already quite late in tehran. it's 20 minutes past 8:00 p.m. in the evening and we've reached out to the iranian foreign ministry and they haven't even announced this yet and they're looking into it and haven't come back with a response yet. what jessica was saying is the islamic revolutionary guard core according to the u.s. seems to be involved in this and that, of course, is the elite unit of iran's military and it doesn't answer to the iranian government and it answers only to iran's supreme leader. whether or not the iranian government would have known about this is certainly something that's in question. also the timeframe is also very interesting. 2012, 2013 the years of the obama administration when tensions were going down between iran and the united states and the one organization that was still very critical of the u.s. and still very much obviously keeping up operations to try and
counter the u.s. was the islamic revolutionary guard corps. so that would be the organization that would conduct operations like this, but we're still waiting to see what the iranian government is going to come back with and we are staying on top of that, kate. >> thanks, jessica. thank you, fred. >> coming up for us, when was the last time you've heard anyone really talking about the national debt? well, it just rose to a staggering new high. not like it's gone down any time recently. $22 trillion, and it's only going higher. what this means for you next. the team? gooo team... order online pickup in an hour. today, save up to 50% at the chair event. at office depot officemax. today, save up to 50% at the chair event. darrell's family uses gain flings now, so their laundry smells more amazing than ever. [darrell's wife] isn't that the dog's towel? [dog sfx] hey, mi towel, su towel.
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from netflix, prime video,youtube and even movie tickets. just say get "dragon tickets". start paying down debt. we have a lot of debt. we're going to start paying down debt. we have such potential in this country. >> so how is that going? not great, to say the least as the national debt passed $20 trillion for the first time ever on tuesday. the national debt began to level off in the beginning of the trump administration, but ump jed again after the 2017 republican tax cuts went into effect. joining me for more on this and what it really means is alison kosik. in 2016 the president did very famously promise to pay off the national debt in i think his timeframe was eight years. that's not happening. is it possible he could be
turning this around now? >> that's a really good question, kate. it's hard to see how this trend could be reversed at this point now that president trump has set some wheels in motion which expand the national debt like proposals for border wall funding and tax cuts. just to give you a little perspective, the nation's debt level was around $19 trillion when trump took office, but has now topped a record $22 trillion for the first time and the ballooning national debt isn't only tied to this administration. so a little perspective there for you, as well. it's really been rising and increasing over the last century and it's been rising at a faster clip since the financial crisis in 2008 when the obama administration and congress approved the stimulus funding to prop up the economy and interestingly enough, you see how it leveled off here right when president trump took office ask then it jumped again after his tax cuts took effect in 2017 and the lower corporate tax rate, reduced revenues coming into the treasury and now the question is unless the fiscal
tide is reversed through higher taxes and massive spending cuts or an explosion in economic growth. the public debt will balloon by 2029, climbing to 93% of the u.s. economy compared to 78% where it is right now. what's the significance of that? in the long run it could mess with growth. large public debt can drive up interest rate which is makes components of economic expansion more expensive. i'm talking about loans like mortgages and business growth. that affects every consumer in this country. >> there are new numbers out about personal debt that the fed is now sounding the alarm about, why? >> these are actually pretty disturbing when you look at this. it's troubling because we've got such a strong economy. the amount of debt that americans are carrying moved high higher to a record $13.5 million, this includes student loans, auto loans and credit cards. it could signal a downturn on the horizon. a whopping 7 million americans are seven days or more behind on
their auto payments and the sky isn't falling, kate, but this is something to be aware of that this is happening now. >> especially in this economy and that's the point. >> alison, appreciate it. thank you all for joining me today. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. ♪ thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics "qwest. i'm john king, thank you for sharing your day with us. another busy one. the former trump campaign manager paul manafort said he did not lie after cooperating with the special counsel. the boosters say the new wish list will force a long overdue debate on climate change. the detractors say it's too much, too expensive and could affect trump's re-election hopes. the compromise to turn a border security framework into a plan. cnn is told the president