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don't want to see a shutdown. a shutdown would be a terrible thing. >> on the other hand, we have these comments from white house press secretary sarah sanders. >> we want to see what the final piece of legislation looks like. it's hard to say definitively whether or not the president will sign it until we know everything that's in it. >> kaitlin dickerson issen s an immigration reporter for the "new york times." welcome to have you in. two sources to who talk to trump tell cnn he plans to sign to avoid the shutdown. why is he even edging? >> i think because this is a hard moment. he was so confident about this border wall. he seemed unwilling to back down. he shut the government down over it and here he is presented with this proposal that doesn't provide any substantive money at all for a wall. he can lean and say there's some money for 55 miles of fencing but all that money in the
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proposal has to go toward ideas that had been put forth, plans that had been put forth, not the wall. not the president's wall so this is a tough moment where he's thinking about this as a positive but it's not looking promising. >> hi e says he doesn't want another shutdown so hopefully after this ends and the deal is signed, what are his next steps? >> he might try an alternative route to get the wall funded. he can go back to the idea of creating a national emergency. but if you look at the one big lesson the president may have taken away from the government shutdown which was crippling and demoralizing to people and what he's been hearing from elected officials on both sides of the isle since this debate began which is that they don't support the border wall so he could try
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to decide he's going to move forward with other immigration ideas where he can move the needle further and get more support from his base. >> this is kwhwhat the presiden keeps saying about his status of the wall. here he is today. >> building a lot of wall right now with money we already have and when people see what we're doing i think they'll be surprised. we're doing a lot of work and we have planned to do a lot of work. >> by tut the facts tell a different story. as the end of january no new barriers have been built since trump took office. about 120 miles of replacement barriers have been improved. this shutdown deal allows 235r 5 miles of additional barriers and all of it adds up to far less than the 1,000 miles the president originally proposed so what does he gain from repeating something that's clearly not
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true? >> i think he is trying to suggest to voters and his supporters there will be a physical reinforcement. they're committed to that idea, as is the president, a physical divide between mexico and the united states. it's true 55 miles of fencing may be put up which is meager in the grand scheme of things and billions of dollars less than what the president asked for but as you know this was the most basic promise of his campaign so he has to clean to any little success. >> there's also the cost of building the wall. the bipartisan deal falls short. he's coming in at $1.3 billion. he says he's considering rheal locating money from other places but senator ted cruz has an idea of getting el chapo to pay for it is. that totally far-fetched or what? >> what we've heard from mexican authorities suggest it is indeed
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far-fetched to get any other entity to pay for the wall. what we hear from the border patrol itself and its agents is that a physical wall isn't that important so i think it's possible that once we get past this juncture and start talking about what is in this proposal which is a lot more money for immigration detention, more money for the border patrol facilities where two young migrant children who died during christmas time were held, once we get to those actions where they're substantive problems and the president can see more wins come through, it's possible that he and ted cruz and others back away. >> deadline is friday. kaitlin dickerson, a pleasure. thank you very much. for the democrats who would like to unseat president trump, the race for the white house is turning into a race for who can be k embrace the most progressive policies. unless your name is amy klobuchar. the minnesota senator is taking a much more cautious stance on hot button issues like medicare
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for all, the green new deal. here's what she told anderson cooper last night. >> the smartest transition right now would be to do a public option and you can do it by expanding medicaid, you can expand medicare, i'm on both bills that do that. >> not medicare for all? >> i am happy to look at it as an option but i'm not on that bill right now. i'm in favor of it because i see it as a framework to jump start a discussion, we need to put out a negotiating bid here. i don't see it as something that we can get rid of these industries or do this in a few years or reduce air travel but what does make sense is to start doing concrete things and put some aspirations out there on climate change. >> and senator klobuchar has company. sherrod brown, the ohio democrat who has yet to officially announce his candidacy he backs fighting climate change and tweaks to medicare but hasn't
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signed on to plans pushed by potential rivals and ron brownstein is a senior editor the atlantic and cnn political analyst. thank you for being with me. this gallop poll says democrats want the party to become more moderate compared to 41% who want it to go farther left. do you think the democrats backing these more progressive policies need to calibrate those positions given where their voters are? >> there's an audience in the democratic coalition and that audience is bigger than it was 20 years ago for these progressive policies we're talking about but not the entire democratic coalition. if you think about klobuchar and brown, both of them, the core of their presumptive coalition would be working class white voters, blue-collar white voters in the middle part of the country and those voters are not unvarnished to the left. many are -- would identify as
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moderate or conservative. more blue-collar voters and african-american voters identify as moderate or conservative than among college educated whites who are the most liberal part of the party and a more natural n constituency for klobuchar and brown. so it makes sense who they are targeting that they would be more hesitant than others about these vanguard positions. >> do you think pragmatism, a.k.a., electability ultimately gets them the nomination? >> not solely. i think it's an important -- clearly democrats have said their top priority is someone who can beat donald trump but historically voters tend to think the person who wins primaries is the one most likely to win the general election. what you've got in the democratic primary electorate, it's changing and you have three big buckets, you have these well-educated white voters who are a third of the vote.
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minority voters will be about two fifths of the vote and then blue-collar whites down to a quarter of the vote and men and women as a dividing line in each category and what we'll see is candidates filling those different lanes and the question will be both who can consolidate their own lane and who can reach out beyond their natural base of support. >> the "washington post" today quotes josh gottheimer, a democrat who co-leads the problem solvers caucus this way. he says we won the house through the middle. our party has to be open and recognize that and if we don't and insist everyone takes a hard line view on everything, a, i don't think that will attract votes in the next election and it puts our majority at risk. he says the middle is key to winning the election but you haveatives like alexandria ocasio-cortez leading the charge to the left so which message were voters trying to send? >> he's right. the only way you get to a
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majority -- there are not 218 seats that are deeply ideological on either side. the only way to get to a majority is by winning places that are less ideological. 60% of house democrats are in districts where the median income is above the national average. 60% are in districts where there are more college graduates. those democrats are not going to be enthusiastic about voting for a bill that tells their constituents that they can no longer have private health insurance. in the '90s -- >> way back. >> yeah, more to the 2000s, the big fault line was around cultural issues, social issues like guns because they had rural blue-collar members who didn't want to go down the road of legalizing the undocumented immigrant or banning assault weapons. that will be much less divisive. democrats won't find it hard to unify around the dream act or uniform background checks. what will be more device zi hiv whether these member from these
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white color suburban districts that have recoiled from trump and become parts of the democratic coalition are willing to raise taxes or expand the role of government as much as members of districts and i think that they will not get to 218 with those ideas. they're much more likely to produce incremental ideas like promoting renewable bower. >> you mentioned raising taxes which brings me to bernie sanders. he hasn't thrown his hat in the ring but he's a candidate and says he wants to save social security by raising taxes on those making $250,000 or more and yet again these moderate democrats will have to answer for this. >> well, there is willingness for democrats on the rollback part of the corporate tax reductions that the republicans passed but yesterday there are limits and it's changing who democrats are willing to tax. don't forget when the so-called fiscal cliff under president obama, when the bush tax cuts
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ran out, they didn't want to raise taxes on anybody under $400,000 a year. that would not have been in the case in the democratic party 20 years ago but a big part of their coalition are these well off voters drawn to the party around social and cultural issues because so many of them view trump as morally unfit and a racist. those voters are part of the coalition and it's hard to imagine a democratic house that can ignore then because they are the marginal seats that give you control of the chamber. >> ron brownstein, why do i feel like you sleep and dream about all of this? i just have a feeling. thank you very much. congress now 0 for 3 in trying to interview michael cohen. he's again dodging his commitments to testify. i la l talk to a lawmaker who was supposed to talk the cohen before he goes to prison.
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plus a ten year air force intelligence agent has been charged with spying on behalf of iran. so we'll talk about what was compromised including the code name of a secret pentagon program. and an update about the convicted serial killer who confessed to killing 90 people. so now he's drawing portraits of his victims. look at this. hear how these haunti ining illustrations could solve decades-old cold cases. 300 miles an hour, that's where i feel normal. having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. learn more at retire your risk dot org.
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forget about the art of the deal. michael cohen seems to be mastering the art of the damage. for the third time, he's delayed testifying before a
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congressional committee and this time the head of the committee wasn't having it, especially when cohen was caught on camera out to dinner after he said he had to miss his closed-door session with the senate intelligence committee, quote, due to post-surgery medical needs. listen to the chairman of the committee respond. >> i can assure you that any good will that might have existed in the committee with michael cohen is gone. he's clearly rising to bun of the people that i would go to every length i could to make sure that we got his testimony. i would prefer to get him before he goes to prison but the way he's positioning himself not coming to the committee, we may help him go to prison. >> cohen's lawyer lanny davis said cohen will testify before he goes to prison and davis said this, quote, the medication mr. cohen is currently taking made it impossible for him to testify this week. we believe senator burr should appreciate it's possible for mr.
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cohen to be in pain and still have dinner a restaurant. democratic congressman andre carson of indiana is a member of the house intelligence committee. a pleasure, welcome. >> what a pleasure, thank you for having me, brooke. >> cohen, third time. not showing up even though he is going to prison next month. how would you characterize his strategy on this. >> i don't know if it's a strategy, i think it speaks more to his character or lack thereof. we're hoping to get him before the house intel committee before he starts his prison term so we can ask him questions that he didn't seem like he was willing to answer the last time we talked to him. we're hoping he'll be more forthright going forward. >> do you feel confident he will? it's hard to say. he's proven himself to be inconsistent so we'll see. >> we saw senator burr. let me fifth to. this i want to focus on senator
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burr who suggested, chair of senate intel suggesting there is no evidence of trump/russia collusion. is that the view on the house side as well? >> well, before i publicly state my opinion i'm hoping we can conduct our interviews in a way that is uninterrupted or unimpeded the way we saw a year ago by our republican colleagues. the chairman is very capable given his experience. we have the creme de la creme of folks on our committee we hope to ask the right questions on behalf of taxpayers and u.s. citizens. >> i'm feeling your confidence but the question is would you agree that you believe that -- would you agree with the chairman in saying no collusion? is that how the house intel committee feels? >> i'm unwilling and unable to make any statement at this time. >> i understand. is your committee poised to
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subpoena that interpreter in the trump/putin meetings. >> i think everything is on the table at this point. we want to get to the bottom of this. director mueller has done a great job with his investigation, perhaps we will unearth things he has yet to unearth so that is the beauty of this three-pronged approach that we'll be taking on behalf of taxpayers, voters and our country. >> is that a yes? >> you know, we're not ruling anything out so this is going to be an interesting journey. you'll be with us along the journ journey. >> let me ask you about adam schiff. he expressed concern this past sunday that robert mueller, the special counsel, hasn't adequately scrutinize it had president's finances. here he was. >> there has been reporting that when it was the special counsel had subpoenaed deutsche bank that the president moved to fire mueller and the way they talked him off the ledge was by
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promising that that reporting wasn't true. the special counsel hadn't subpoenaed deutsche bank. if f the special counsel hadn't subpoenaed deutsche bank he can't do much money laundering so that is what concerns me. >> so my question in hearing the chairman my question is how does he know for sure what mueller has or hasn't looked into? >> well, again, i think the original intent of director mueller's investigation is to unearth criminal activities that may have taken place. ours was to look at the influence of russia's extent of influence in our electoral process. in the processing of our questioning we've unearthed criminal activity so the beauty of this three-pronged approach is we'll see things that perhaps director mueller didn't pick up and vice versa and that's how the legislative branch operated. the founding fathers, as
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complicated as they were, were brilliant in setting up three separate but equal branches of government. >> i have to ask you about congresswoman ilhan omar because she's responded to the president calling for her resignation over anti-semitic tweets saying she has learned from her mistakes and is asking the president if he will do the same. what do you think of the president and vice president -- why do you think they're stepping up attacks on her? >> well, i think president trump is speaking to his base. signaling to his base he's with them. ilhan is a good friend, like my littler? many ways. she's a genuine person. i believe her statement. i know who she is, she's not anti-semitic. she's a loving person, she has a wonderful world view, all of just said things we've had to walk back. that is the nature of being in politics but there are discussions. i think whole controversy has
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opened up a different kind of dialogue between muslims, christians and jewish brothers and sisters so good things have come as a result. >> has she expressed her regrets to you privately? >> you know, she and i talk regularly. she's not anti-semitic. she's not an anti-semite. these kind of dialogues have to be honest. no one is above reproach or condemnation. i'm not. brooke, as near perfect as you are, you have made mistakes, too. we have to be objective enough to take criticism, understand critiques, learn from them, drop our egos and move forward. >> congressman carson, thank you. >> always an honor, thank you. >> amid the controversy surrounding her, congresswoman omar is digging into her role as one of the newest members of the
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house foreign affairs committee and during a hearing on venezuela she got into this exchange with the special envoy elliott abrams. >> in 1991 you pleaded guilty to two counts of withholding information from congress regarding your involvement in the iran-contra affair for which you were later pardoned by president george h.w. bush. i fail to understand why members of this committee or the american people should find any testimony that you give today to be truthful. >> if i can respond to that. >> it wasn't a question. >> on february -- >> it was an attack. >> that was not a question. i reserve the right to any time. >> hab rabrams was named to his last month after the u.s.
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recognized juan guaido as the country's legitimate president, abrams has been criticized for previous work, including down playing human rights abusing in central america while serving in president reagan's state department. just ahead, on the run and wanted in the u.s. this former u.s. military officer is charged with spying for iran. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org. you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. ♪ ♪
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more breaking news right knew. fema chief brock long is planning to leave the agency and an acting administrator has been named. renee m marsh is with me from washington. what do you know. ? >> well, fema administrator brock long will be resigning. we received two statements. one from department of homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen and she says in part over the last two years administrator long has admirably led the men and women of fema during difficult historic and complex times. she go on to talk about all of the natural disasters that he led the way on as far as recovery efforts from wildfires to the hurricanes that we saw during hurricane season last year but brock long, the head of fema saying he will resign.
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according to a source familiar with this. we expect he could be leaving as soon as the next couple of weeks so they will have someone else in place, there is a deputy administrator who is there currently at the agency and he will become the acting administrator in the absence of brock long as a decision is made as far as who will be named to that position permanently so pete gaynor, currently the deputy administrator, will then serve as head of fema until a permanent replacement is named or nominated so that's the latest here. remember, brock long didn't serve in this position without any controversy. he was under investigation by the inspector general looking into his use of government vehicles, traveling back home to north carolina so there were issues he faced but we are being
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told it's not because of that why he is leaving, he's choosing to leave on his own but not many details around this resignation and why it's has beening now, we just know it is happening now. brook? >> once we're able to connect the dots -- which i'm sure you will rene -- we'll get them on. a former air force intelligence specialist has been charged with spying for iran. her name is monica witt, she is a former counterintelligence officer for the air force office of special investigations. she defected to iran in 2013 and the department of justice alleges she was recruited by iran to spy on the u.s. and they say her spying revealed the identity of at least one u.s. intelligence officer. alex marquardt is in washington and alex, explain how federal prosecutors say this went down. >> this is a story of a young woman who spent years at the highest echelons of american intelligence as a surveillance -- sorry, an intelligence specialist and
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counterintelligence officer serving overseas on multiple deployments so she had access to the highest levels of information the u.s. government h had. the timeline is important. she left the department of defense where she was a contractor in 2010. in 2012 she went to iran for something called a hollywoodism convention. something put on by the revolutionary guard and essentially it slams the u.s. for its morals or lack of morals in their view and it sounds like in 2012 that's when the recruitment began in earnest. she intended the same conference in 2013 and deserted and went to iran in late 2013 and that's when she started to help the iranians turn against her former colleagues. in this indictment it says she conspired to and delivered on what they call national defense
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information including the eid e identity of at least one u.s. intelligence agent and a highly classified program that fell under the department of defense. now she then helped hackers, cyber collaborators as the doj is calling them, to target at least eight of her former colleagues. those included efforts through fake facebook accounts as well as phishing and malware attacks to target people she had worked with to get information from them back in the united states, brooke. >> extraordinary. and cyber collaborators. welcome to the new world in which we live. alex marquardt, what a story. thank you very much for that. just ahead, just as the president might get more than a billion dollars for his border wall the national debt just rose to a staggering new high, $22 trillion and counting. what this means for you next.
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as a candidate, president trump vowed to eliminate the
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national debt within eight years or two terms as president. rana foroohar is a global business columnist and associate editor. good to have you on. again, keeping in mind this is under a republican president. why should the average american care. >> you should care about the debt because it can affect our borrowing costs. if it gets tougher for america to borrow money because we have a high debt and there's a sense that we may have trouble repaying this that means interest rates can go up and the borrowing costs on our cars its might go up. >> now what about americans are
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almost three months behind on their car payments. red flag? >> it is. it's correct. we're starting to see concerns about people not being able to repay debt in areas like auto loans and student loans. we were talking about tax cuts and the implications that might have. when you cut taxes it increases the debt and deficit and we knew we were going to be here. growth is slowing, aunt budget that's reigned in, now we have the opposite. >> just talking to a cpa on tv speaking of the big republican tax overhaul and how everyone's refunds will be smaller and not to be so smiezed? >> exactly. and this is a time when we need consumers to speep spending and
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feel confident and when people see no refund or maybe even owing something, that will be a hit. >> rana foroohar, thank you very much. coming up, just as virginia is having a statewide conversations about racism and whether to forgive its again of the blackface scandal, a street famous for so many of its confederate monuments was just renamed for the late tennis star great arthur ashe. we'll talk to his nephew who has ideas on how to make his state more inclusive and diverse. bac! lobsterfest is on at red lobster. with the most lobster dishes of the year, what'll you choose? how 'bout lobster lover's dream? more like a lobster dream come true. a butter-poached maine tail, roasted rock tail and creamy lobster linguine. or try new lobster in paradise. it's a crispy coconutty, vacation on a plate. new ultimate lobsterfest surf & turf is here, too. 'cause what's better than steak and lobster? steak and lots of lobster. so hurry in and see how you're going to lobsterfest.
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of blackface have splintered some in the african-american community. some leaders want governor ralph northam to be forgiven and give an second chance. this discord comes as richmond, virginia, is about to make a major change to one of its most historic streets, the boulevard is about to be renamed for tennis legend and richmond native arthur ashe. ashe is the first and only black man to ever win three grand slam titles and when he retired from tennis he became a champion for social justice. there is already a statue hon honoring his legacy on the same street soon to be named after him. and david harris jr. is arthur ashe's nephew with me live from virginia. so david, a pleasure to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. >> urn there when the richmond city council voted to make the change and when you think of richmond you think of monument avenue where all those confident monuments remain and a city where your uncle was barred to
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play on whites' only courts. what do you think he would be thinking about this name change? >> this name change was a great opportunity for us to bridge the gap, take an opportunity to bring recognition to richmond because we are a growing city and we are desiring of showing that we're more than just the former confederate capital and we're more than that now and more than just the statues and we have lots of opportunity here. our mayor is promoting the fact that we are one city, which is very true. so a lot of folks have connections and we all live and play here and we want to show we're growing, and improving.
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>> but what's going on with the governor's mansion. the decision -- the timing is stunning. the decision to change the name amid this crisis where two of the three top state officials have admitted to wearing blackface. what do you think about that? should the governor step down? >> i think the governor needs to do some -- needs to educate himself considerably but i will say this. nationally and rurally you don't need to do blackface to imitate or emulate a black star. you can just wear a costume and we can figure out who you're trying to imitate or emulate. but however i think education will be key. this opportunity to rename a street came -- we were already planning to have our piece but
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once the governor's situation came about, my group, we had a little bit of a panic but we took a deep breath and said this will be an opportunity for us to reach out and say, hey, even though this has occurred, we're here to lead and we're here to move forward because my uncle left a what would you like to see? what could you do to promote inclusivity? >> well, one is education. that's first and foremost. we need to start teaching our children not just in schools but parents at home, they need to reach and talk to their -- they need to explain what's going on and why it's going on and tell the truth of it. the history of how we have gotten -- how racism has continued to thrive unfortunately but as i said in our city counsel meeting we will
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continue to coexist together. we'll have to do clang. there's no way around it. >> david, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, victim sketches decades in the makings. drawing pictures of the women he says he killed. could they help solve cold cases around the country? so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org.
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identify his victims. the sketches, all of them are women all painted from memory. the fbi is hoping the images will help them crack several unsolved cold cases. so back up and tell us who this man is and what he did. >> it is amazing. his name is samuel little. he was living in a homeless shelter. he lead a life all around the country different places. he was extradited on a narcotics charge. they found that dna match, three female homicide victims. that initially showed them wait, we have got something here. they decided to find out what his life was about. they put him through the fbi's violent criminal apprehension program for felons. they found a profile on him. they linked him to odessa,
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texas. they knew he went through west texas about that same time. the texas rangers went out with the department of justice. they gained his trust. they started confessing to 90 women he murdered. they say the details were unbelievable he had on these women. he himself started to paint a picture of who he said these women were with amazing detail on these photographs. he was not that good on the time line when he murdered them. of these 90 two of them have actually been confirmed and identified. family members told and now they have justice, 34 of the 90 have been confirmed to his confession. there are some that are about to be confirmed and some that are not yet at all.
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if you a family member that disappeared between 1970 and 2005 to look at the pictures and contact them. they may be able to give you answers you never been able to have. >> so if you actually saw one of those pictures reach out to the fbi. 90 women. what an extraordinary story. i don't believe in closure but hopefully some can move onto the flexi next chapter. we do have news aimed at legislation ammed at russia. what do you have? >> this is a massive bipartisan bill proposed in the senate that aims to punish russia for a vast array of bad behavior.
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again, it is bipartisan saying president trump's willful paralysis has reached a boiling point in congress. republican senator lindsay gram saying these sanctions are the most hard hitting ever imposed if they were to be passed it's everything from meddling to democracy. it is a report on net worth and assets, accounting of who is buying large amount of rez enshl real estate and a two-thirds
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vote in the senate if president trump wants to leave nato. >> wow. the update there. thank you very much for jumping in and gets us that reporting. thanks for being with me. the lead with jake tapper starts now. everyone hoping upon hope that he will siphon the deal that will keep the government open but will not give him his wall. it seems they are gritting their teeth until he signs it. the cloud of secrecy is cigar smoke. the alleged dealings with the man that has ties with russian intelligence, what mueller wants to know about the shady encounter in a private cigar room. plus infiltrated