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from netflix, prime video,youtube and even movie tickets. just say get "dragon tickets". a terrifying situation here in aurora, illinois. multiple people killed. multiple civilians injured. and five police officers injured by gunfire. robert mueller asking a federal judge in virginia throw the book at paul manafort, arguing that the former trump campaign chairman deserves up to 24 1/2 years in prison. for the first time, we learned that actually the special counsel's office on the record was investigating roger stone as part of this. >> sarah sanders, interviewed by the special counsel, the president's press secretary sat down with mueller last year. i didn't need to do this, i'd rather do it much faster.
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republicans lawmakers have warned the president for weeks not to declare a national emergency if he felt he was out of options to get funding for the border wall. ♪ >> good morning, everyone, i'm kaylee hartung in for christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. right now, police are saying the shooter who killed five people and at his manufacturing business in illinois had just lost his job. >> after announcing a national emergency that he himself admitted he didn't need to do, legal challenges are stacking up against the president this morning. >> meanwhile, the president's former campaign chairman paul manafort is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. and for the first time, they have evidence of roger stone
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talking to wikileaks. >> yes, there is a lot going on this morning. we're covering all of it. we're starting with that shooting in aurora, at least five police officers are wounded and five are dead. >> the shooter was killed in a gun battle with police. cnn national correspondent sara sidner has the latest. >> reporter: we have heard from the police department, the chief, talking about how this all went down when officers responded very quickly to what was an active shooter call. what we were today, the first couple of officers to go in were shot. and then more showed up. what they found once they were inside were people who were shot. people who were killed. people who were wounded. a terrible scene inside of this manufacturing business. we should also mention that police say they believe that the shooter did work at this particular manufacturing business. we also heard from a witness telling our sister station here
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in the chicago area that, indeed, he seemed to be shooting at everyone indiscriminately, but the gun he was using, had some sort of green label that it was pointing at people. as you can hear, throughout the night, this scene has been filled with different emergency vehicles. when it be the paramedics, or the police. we've seen s.w.a.t. units come and gone. certainly, police will be here for some time. we also saw a chaplain here. all in all, this is a terrible day for those who live in the neighborhood. by the way, this isn't just an area that has manufacturing businesses. this is a neighborhood. there are homes here. there are people that have their kids usually out on the streets. they say this has been a really, really rough day here in aurora, illinois. >> sara sidner there. >> i want to bring in cedric
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alexand alexander. >> good morning. >> this coming one day art we remember the tragedy in parkland, florida, one year later. what stands out to you this morning about what we know to this point about what happened in aurora? >> well, aurora is another one of those situations we've all been watching across this country for years. it just seems to happen too often, too frequent. and here we are again. but let me say this, in regards to those first responders that responded to that call, those police officers, and all of those first responders that move towards the danger, towards those gunshots, trying to make people secure to get inside, identify a target. and one thing that really stands out on me for this one, kaylee and victor, those officers entered into a 29,000 square foot plant in which they probably did not know the layout of. but they found their target, they identified their target.
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they neutralized the target, and they also took on gunfire where you have five police officers that were injured. and unfortunately, and sadly, here we are again, we had five people who died, tragically who did not deserve to die, who was just there every day doing their jobs, supporting their families. we see this way too often in this country. we try to prepare for it as best we can. throughout this nation, as you all well know, there's been a lot of training in workplace violence and how do we prepare ourselves for it. unfortunately, we see this, i think the most important thing we have to keep in mind is keep our training in mind. what we're learning through our hr departments working closely with law enforcement, that's what you saw here. >> senator, the question after any mass shooting like this is how do we prevent the next one. you talked a little bit what could happen inside a company about the hr element here. >> yes. >> but from a law enforcement perspective, maybe even a
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legislative perspective, is there anything that could have changed this? i mean, this man walked in with a handgun, not a long gun. we don't know anything about his background that suggested he could have gotten that legally. do you see anything here that says "x" would prevent this from happening again? >> well, the hard time, many times, let's be perfectly honest, there's only a certain amount of prevention that we can do. we have a constitutional right to carry arms in this country, whether it's a long gun or a handgun. and the greatest majority of people do the right things with their weapons. but we're going to see these cases unfortunately where someone is going to go off the deep end because they lost their job or mad with someone or a beef with the larger society, whatever the case may be. but when these events do occur, we have to be able to respond and we have to be able to support each other, and we have to continue with the training
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that here again we see take place at our work sites and our police departments. our public safety, our police, fire, emergency management. they're well trained, and unfortunately, that training has to come into use at some point. but it could happen anywhere, anytime across the country. >> cedric alexander, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> certainly. discussing what happened there and how to prevent it again in the future. we'll talk more later this morning. well, president trump admits just moments after declaring a national emergency, that he did not need to do it. >> and so this morning, as the president wakes up at his golf resort in florida, lawsuits are already being filed to block his executive order. let's get to cnn's white house reporter sarah westwood in west palm beach, florida. good morning, sarah. >> reporter: good morning, kaylee and victor. and president trump were cycling
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some misleading facts about the border wall even as you mentioned he undercut the leverage he might have in court by suggesting this is not a national in which at all, this is voluntary. something he did not have to do, but he chose to do after lawmakers did not come close to giving him $5.7 billion that lawmakers did not give him for his wall. he was facing pressure from both sides of the aisle to sign a spending package that lawmakers in congress put together for him. they provided $1.375 billion for his wall, that's far less, even in half of what he had requested. if the president was facing a conservative backlash or considering signing that deal, as many saw that as capitulation, as the president caving. it was even less than he could have gotten before the shutdown. the president expressing his dissatisfaction with that and went ahead and signed it and
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coupled that with the national emergency declaration that could allow him to unlock $6 billion from treasury funds, from forfeiture and the pentagon and military construction funds. but the white house is prepared to face a number of legal challenges, particularly from districts that are going to be affected by the construction of this wall, so it could be a long time, kaylee, and victor, before the president is able to access those additional funds. >> a long time no doubt, sarah westwood. thanks so much. and breaking news this hour, a man who was once a power broker in the catholic church is now no longer a priest. the vatican has dismissed disgraced former cardinal here yo dror mccarrick after a church trial found him guilty of sexually abusing minors for decades. mccarrick will not be allowed to appeal the decision. still to come, a lifetime of spending his secret income has caught up to former trump
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campaign manager paul manafort. now special counsel prosecutors say his penalty should be severe. plus, special counsel prosecutors say they have evidence of roger stone communicating directly with wikileaks. details from that court filing ahead. and a new twist on the alleged attack of "empire" star jussie smollett, two brothers arrested have been released. and what police are learning that is raising new questions about this case. ♪
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relating to work he did for a ukrainian politician. he'll be sentenced next month. meanwhile, robert mueller special counsel team reveals in a court filing that prosecutors have evidence of roger stone's cooperation with wikileaks, related to the release of those democratic e-mails that were hacked. the full extent of that communication has been not been revealed yet. >> it was during his investigation of the russian hacks, it was the clinton e-mails and podesta e-mail that the obtained and executed dozens of documents. for the release and timing and proposition of their release. this is what the special counsel's office said in their filing that they were able to learn from the searches. several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained roger stone's communications with guccifer 2.0, which was a russian
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intelligence agency and with organization one, which is wikileaks. now, previously, prosecutors had only outlined how stone attempted to get in touch with wikileaks, julian assange, through intermediate yeente int. and how stone had stolen from the democratic party and how he hoped for its release to help trump campaign, prosecutors have said. now, the new filing, provided no further details on what was contained in the communications between roger stone and wikileaks. there is one known exchange of messages between wikileaks and stone that was in february 2018. "the atlantic" reported stolen exchange of direct records via twitter with wikileaks account at which stone was asked to stop associating himself with the site. both wikileaks and stone deny
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that they were in contact. and prosecutors have not explained in full the extent to which stone actually reached out to wikileaks. >> shimon, thank you. good morning, joey. >> good morning, victor. >> in the indictment filed last month against roger stone, the special prosecutor said that someone some senior official in the trump campaign, was told to get in contact with stone about the next e-mail dump. now, we've learned that mueller has -- his team has evidence of stolen communications with guccifer 2.0, which is essentially russia, and wikileaks, right? let's visit the special counsel's mandate, let's put it up on the screen to avoid any coordination between the russian government and any individuals
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associated with the campaign of president donald trump. does not not meet the threshold? >> it seems to meet the threshold, victor, and very directly. with the seven counts that roger stone is facing, even prior to this direct contact, that indictment is damning. everyone is entitled to a fair trial. everyone is entitled to presumption of innocence but if you look at the indictment, it's horrific, it's horrific as it relates to obstruction of justice. you testify before a committee, i don't have anything in my possession by way of e-mails, text messages. guess what, they have the e-mails and text messages. you were asked whether you had contact, you say i had no contact. now, we know you do have contact. you said you only contacted through intermediaries, they have the people and multiple statements that they can prove based on specific evidence that, of course, is the witness
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tampering charge. i don't see a way out and i know what people are talking about, process crimes, process crimes matter. when you lie to the fbi, it matters. when you tamper with witnesses, it matters. when you obstruct justice, it matters. i think mr. stone, notwithstanding his blustery and going on a media tour which he cannot do predicated on a gag order from judge jackson, i just don't see the viability of a defense here. >> let me ask you about this gag order, judge amy burma jackson said that stone and any lawyers involved may not discuss any details, this is a quote, pose any special likelihood of material prejudice to the case. that seems like that could be subjective. why not a blanket gag order here leaving some room for stone to talk about the case? >> well, you know, again that would be ideal, to the extent that you have a blanket order. but then you have issues as to whether it runs afoul to the
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constitution. people have a right to speak. you have a right to express what you express. it's a fine line what you say being protected with the constitution and running afoul with the order. i think what the judge is saying, we need a fair trial. and certainly will stone is entitle to a fair trial as well. to the extent you make statements which will impair your ability to have that in any substantial way, you run afoul with it. it's like obscenity, maybe it's not quite defined but we'll know it when we see it. >> mueller's office says that paul manafort now deserves 19 1/2 to 24 1/2 years in prison for his financial crimes. and his age should not be considered to possibly get him a less severe sentence here. based on your experience, what we learned about this judge in this virginia case, judge t.s. ellis, do you think that's the
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reins that will fall here, a life sentence? >> i do. i would never profess to speak for any judge, but here's the issue. the issue is not this is not the special prosecutor, to be very clear, trying to go hard on manafort. let me clarify what i'm saying, if you look at the sentencing memo they put forward. they take no position. what they're saying is under the federal sentencing guidelines, you have a level of offense. and while it may get complicated. what happens is, you have a level of offense, in which case it's a 38. that's far down the scale. you have zone "a," "b," "c," this is a zone "d" offense. if you look at the level of offense, just pure quantitative skills and you look at his criminal history, these are the amount of months he should spend in jail. the only way he gets out from under that is suggesting there's a downward departure. some mitigating factor for which
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he shouldn't be in that change. the department of corrections looks, they get their pen out, they do the math. that's where he falls. unless they're able to establish that there's some mitigation, why should he fall elsewhere. this is a guy who took the government to task in virginia, perhaps he should not have done so and perhaps should have advised accordingly. he went to trial. he has to be accountable. he's facing another sentencing in d.c. for other crimes. whether it's tax violations or hiding foreign money or bank accounts that essentially defrauding banks, these are serious offenses and under the law this is what he is really looking at. and i don't see why the judge would move from that, absent some extenuating or mitigating factor. let's not forget, victor, that's the same judge that said, look, you lied. he said he's not going to cooperate, he goes to trial. then i want to cooperate, you do cooperate, then you mislead the government.
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that's not really room for a judge saying i understand, sir, i understand your plight, and i'm going to go light on you. i presume he'll be within that range. >> all right, joey, stay with us. more than a couple weeks before the 2020 election, but that's not stopping presidential candidates from campaigning in full force, so is former congressman beto o'rourke, although he still has decided whether he plans to run. plus, former vice president joe biden is speaking at a hi - high-profile security conference in germany as he thinks about whether to run.
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christi paul. >> i'm victor black well. good to have you. democrats are acting like it's a week before the elections. you got kirsten gillibrand, kamala harris, cory booker, and amy klobuchar in iowa. >> meanwhile, the democratic national committee meetings are wrapping up this afternoon in washington and with a historically large number of democrats planning to run for president, the dnc has already announced its format for the first two primary debates. former vice president joe biden who is also toying with the idea of running for president, he's in munich, and about to talk about america's role on a high stage at a very high-security conference. >> if biden decides to run, it looks like you'll have the support of democratic voters. a cnn poll shows 62% of voters say biden should run. half of americans say they would
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likely support him. beto o'rourke is on the fence whether or not he should run for president. he's speaking in chicago. but the former texas congressman says he's still trying to figure out plans for 2020. >> i haven't made the decision with my family about what we're doing next. but definitely listening to people who are far smarter than i am, far more experienced than i am, to gain the benefit of their wisdom. and then make an informed decision about what is best for the country. >> o'rourke has been, let's say, ramping up his public appearances recently. earlier this week, he drew thousands of supporters to rally in el paso. that was to protest president trump's call for funding for a border wall. >> joining me now, daniel lip mann, reporter and co-author of political playbook. let's start with beto o'rourke. he appeals to young people.
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and he has a blockbuster fund-raising ability. now, he's saying, he'll decide by the end of the month. if he does decide to run, i know this is not a new question, but what do you see his chance being? after all of this effort we've seen him put in? >> he would definitely be in the top tier of can datdidates just because of his star quality. and the fact that he's say pretty good fighter. and he's going to point to his results in texas where he came very close to beating someone democrats disguise, senator ted cruz. and saying that he can do the same with president trump and beat the president. he has long been talked about since his first term in office. so, i think he has a very good ability to raise a ton of money. and he has that name i.d. that is crucial in the early stages of this primary. >> some of these candidates who
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have gotten their names out there early, perhaps needing to do more work to familiarize themselves with voters, not among that crowd would be joe biden, if we can switch to him. he's speaking at a munich security conference very soon here today. whether it's deliberate or not, it's a good reminder of his foreign policy credentials and his experience in the top levels of politics, of course. do you see this as being about all about building that biden brand before officially jumping into the race? >> i think he's still debating whether to join this race because i think a lot of people around him, they thought he should have gone against trump in 2016. they regret that decision. and they don't want to let that opportunity pass again. this is biden's last time to actually run for president. it seems because of his age, and he has the ability to be a consensus democratic candidate.
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and he's a very good brawler. even though he is sometimes thin-skinned, he can really go against trump in a way that would make it hard for trump to attack him, because biden would throw it back as best he can. so -- and he has the ability to get work, blue collar workers to rally behind him because of his working class background. >> yeah, you speak to so many of those strengths. a cnn poll shows that 62% say he should make a run for president. and support ran higher among democrats back in 2015 when he mulled the 2016 run. given the strengths and his favorability, are you concerned at all that he's running out of time? >> it's so early that i think joe biden, because of his stature in the party, he has the ability to, you know, be
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patient, to think through all of this, his allies definitely want him to run. but this is just a question of him entering at the right time. it would be very weird if he was the first candidate to announce. and remember, president donald trump, he only entered the race in june of that year. and so, if we're switching to this year, that would mean that biden has another couple months to enter the field. >> it is in fact only february of 2019. thank you so much, daniel, appreciate it. >> thanks, kaylee. senator amy klobuchar finishing up her first week as candidate for president. monday night, she joins to talk about what's at stake for the country. don lemon moderates a cnn presidential town hall that's at 10:00 eastern here on cnn. and chicago police have released two brothers from nigeria, just hours after investigators called them potential suspects on the attack
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a concerning situation developing in haiti as 24 canadian missionaries and more than 100 tourists are stranded there. they're being evacuated after several days of violence and anti-government protests. a helicoptered is scheduled to take the missionaries some time today while the tourists are being taken out. cnn's zain asher has more. >> reporter: protesters running from tear gas.
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clashes with police. barricades and fires. stores looted. these are the scenes of anger, paralyzing haiti's largest city, after a week of deadly unrust. the demonstrators are demanding their president's resignation. >> translator: i'm in this situation because of the haitian president. i can't go to school. he is a thief. he must go. if not, we'll burn down this whole country. >> reporter: infused with corruption, on a televised address on thursday, the president issued a defiant response. >> translator: we have already had a series of transitional governments that have given a packages of disasters and disorders. i will not leave the country in the hands armed gangs and drug traffickers. >> reporter: as the security situation worsens, canada has closed the border and dozens
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have left helms stranded. the u.s. has ordered all nonemergency personnel and their families to leave. and advising u.s. citizens not to travel to haiti due to crime and civil unrest. citing widespread violence and unpredictable demonstrations. meanwhile, humanitarian aid agencies are evacuating staff working to provide relief to the impoverished nation. >> my work has basically ground to a halt. public transportation is more or less nonexistent. and it's unsafe to go out in cars, because you don't know where road blocks will be and more demonstrations. >> reporter: haiti remains one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere. and after a devastating earthquake in 2010 that killed more than 2 00,000, despite efforts to help, the state of
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the economy remains in the state of disarray. >> translator: the price of the dollar is going up and up and up. we cannot stand this situation. there will surely be a revolution in the country. >> reporter: reports of a long running corruption scandal are fuelling unrest. sparking anger among citizens with little less to lose. zain asher, cnn. >> our thanks to zain asher for that report. new this morning, chicago police have released two brothers, they've released them now, two brothers from nigeria who were arrested earlier this week on the alleged attack on "empire" star jussie smollett. the men were released last night without charges after investigators say they learned of new evidence during interrogation. they're not saying what the evidence is. the source says that smollett and the brothers had some previous affiliation. smollett said two attackers
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threw a chemical on him and hurled racial slurs at him. and let's bring in legal analyst joey jackson. joey, i mean, these men went from persons of interest to potential suspects, to being released without charges, all within a matter of hours. what does that tell you about this case? >> well, first, victor, let's credit the police department, obviously taking this seriously unturning over stone they can possibly do and finding and getting please brothers from the airport from going to a flight back to nigeria. hate crimes obviously have no place in this society, in the event that's what happened. that's what persons or whoever should be brought to justice. now, with regard to what's happening here, it's very bizarre. it's bizarre in as much as they're attempting to protect who specifically could have done
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this. and it seems they're running into dead ends. they're running into dead ends, just as much as persons of interest. let's talk about that. persons of interest, you look and you believe these are people who could have involvement, you just don't know. a suspect, someone you believe to have involvement. a person leased now you had no involvement at all, or at least of a criminal variety. so it is perplexing, with regard to the police try doing determine what happened, how it happened, and it doesn't appear to check out and that's fuelling, of course, speculation that it would be so. >> quickly, joey, smollett suggested with his interview with abc news that his attackers were not black. if i had said it was muslim or mexican or someone black, the doubters would have supported me. these two men are from nigeria. i wonder what these inconsistencies mean for an investigation? >> i think there are a number of questions. police, of course, are saying,
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look, you didn't turn over your phone records when we needed them. obviously that presents a question. he ultimately does turn them over but he says they're too heavily redacted to be favorable. he suggests he was on the phone with his manager, at the time of the attack, that raises questions as to how convenient. they do the search warrant at the time, he apparently at the time, smollett, he still has the rope. he has the bleach. they did get bleach from the house. but now they know these people all know each other. these people from nigeria were friends with him and may have been extras on set. so, again, police are doing their work. they're doing it diligently. but at this point it does not appear that they had a specific suspect who they can say actually did this crime if in fact the crime occurred. >> joey jackson, thanks so much. >> thanks. more than three weeks after the end of the longest government shutdown in history,
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being paid. there are contractors looking at not getting back pay that was not included in the deal. people are looking at harm, not getting credit. the federal workers who are due the back stay have not received that yet. this should have been avoided. this put our safety and security. our lives in danger. it put 11 million workers who work in aviation in danger and our communities because the trickledown eck is extraordinary. >> you wrote this week in "usa today" that the industry is still not recovered. i want to read from your article where you say the unprecedented 35-day shutdown and the continued uncertainty of the last few weeks put the lives and livelihoods of flight attendants, pilots at a rick. the systems that keep our aviation system safe and secure were stretched to a breaking point and now can begin to
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recover. >> what makes it less safe? >> well, this shutdown shows us that federal workers are not nameless, faceless bureaucrats. they're fbi agents, inspectors. and these people were put in the cross hairs of a political battle that they not have been. the ones deemed to be on the front lines like air traffic controllers and other officers did not have the support of others deemed nonessential. so programs that continue to update our safety and security systems, all of those were stopped. and now we have to address tsse damage and get them up and running. take for example, the faa act 2018, overwhelmingly put into place and signed into law in october. those programs were deemed essential to continue to improve on the safest transportation system for the world have not been implemented.
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things like flight attendants. the rest for fatigue. these need to be implemented and the shutdown stopped all of that effort. we are concerned about where we are today, how people were stretched to a breaking point. we need to get our arms around them. we need to make sure that we're passing legislation that this never happens again. >> flight attendants, of course, not federal workers, but as you say, the aviation industry can't operate without those federal workers. all of you working in concert, so what will you all do to continue that fight to ensure this doesn't happen again? >> well, look, we're going to be out demonstrating at three airports today. we scaled back plans to be at airports all across the country. but we're going to continue to stay there needs to be action taken right away. there are bills moving already in congress and some that we expect to be introduced within the next week. that will make sure that these lockouts of workers never happen again, that we never put lives in danger, that we never put our safety and security in danger in
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this country. and so, we're going to be asking for that to be done. but we're also going to say that we need a government that works. and we need to be implementing the programs that have already been approved. and we need to make sure that over 1 million people who support our federal workers are in low-wage jobs, working in the cafeterias, for example, in some of the agencies, these people went without work and without pay all this time. they didn't ask for this. they were thrown in the middle of it and we should take care of them as well. their families were hurting. this was just wrong. this was immoral for america. we're going to continue to press to make sure those people are taken care of. that we've got legislation in place to make sure this never happens again. and that we get to work to implement the important programs in aviation that keep all of us safe, including a task force to address sexual harassment on planes. >> sara nelson, thanks for time and all of your efforts to fly
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safe. >> we want you to fly with us and we want you to be safe all the time. thank you very much. el nino is back. allison chinchar is at the cnn weather center. >> i was going to say it's not really a term people know a lot about. but the one general consensus is, people want to know what is this perweather pattern going to for the area i live in. i wanna keep doing what i love,
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noaa forecasters say el nino is back and could make for a rough couple of months. >> cnn's meteorologist allison chinchar joins us now. what does this mean? >> el mean 19 know itself is a weather pattern. typically speaking this gives
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amplified storm tracks for for the surgeon half of the country. you end up getting a wetter than normal season. and that's what we expect over the next couple of months. the problem with that is, this is an area of the country that absolutely does not need to have any more rain back in the forecast. look at a lot of these cities. atlanta averaged 8 inches above for the winter season. tallahassee, 9 inches above for the winter season. just in general, when you look at the short-term forecast, we have a lot of rain pushed in this area, widespread amounts of 4 to 6 inches so this area doesn't need any more rain. surprisingly, neither does california. when you look at this back a couple years ago, 95% of the state was in a doubt. that was the last time we had our big el nino. this year, only 11% of the state is under droughts so we really don't need all of that excess moisture pushing into
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california. same thing with the snow pack. this time of the year, we were dealing with 60% of snow pack. right now, guys, we're over 130%. we have an excess of snow pack for the first time in years and it's a nice thing to have. >> allison chinchar, thanks so much. a terrifying situation here in aurora, illinois. multiple people killed, multiple civilians injured. and five police officers injured by gunfire. robert mueller asking a federal judge in virginia to throw the book at paul manafort argues that the former trump campaign chairman deserves up to 24 1/2 years in prison. for the first time we learned that actually the special counsel's office on the record was investigating roger stone as part of this. sarah sanders was interviewed by the superb council. the president's secretary sat down with the team last year. i could do the wall over longer periods of time. i didn't


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