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ed. garlique hello, everyone. good morning. i am fredricka whitfield. we begin this saturday with new information in the deadly shooting rampage in aurora, illinois which left five people dead. at any moment, we are expecting an update from police. we'll bring that to you live as it begins. police say the 45-year-old, gary martin, was being fired that day from his job at the henry pratt manufacturing company when he opened fire on his co-workers. he shot and killed five employees and injured five police officers before dying in an exchange of gunfire with police. cnn correspondent scott mclane is in aurora. what more do we know? >> reporter: hey, fredricka, we hope to get more information on the shooter and time line of events at a press conference
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that's expected to start in 30 minutes. last night we got a better sense of the time line and what happened. we know the first 911 calls came from inside henry pratt company, this manufacturing complex in aurora, illinois, reporting shots fired. when police first arrived, they immediately took gunfire. two officers were shot, when more officers were shot, three more were shot. initial reports were that gary martin, the 45-year-old suspect was shooting out of a window, then police believe he retreated further inside the building. again, it is a manufacturing site, they make industrial valves. you can imagine there's likely a lot of machinery, industrial shelving, a lot of places for him to hide in a massive 29,000 square foot complex. at one point, the police chief said there were some 13 different teams of law enforcement who were going into get martin or get victims out and transported to the hospital. ultimately, it took an hour and
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a half to locate him. he died in exchange of gunfire. the big question here is why. people want to know what he was thinking, why he did this. police don't have an exact sense of his mindset, but say one likely contributing factor, he was just fired. listen. >> we know he was a 15 year veteran and information that we have indicates that he was being terminated today. >> did he bring a gun to the termination meeting? >> we don't know that, we don't know if he had the gun on him at the time or went to retrieve it. we don't have that information yet. >> reporter: what we know about the gun is it was a smith and wesson handgun. we're hoping to get more information about that, how many rounds he had on him, maybe giving a sense whether it was premeditated or spur of the moment. we're hoping for more clarification on the time line and names of the actual victims. all we know about them thus far
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is they're all male. as for the company, henry pratt company, its parent company put out a statement saying they were shocked and saddened, but provided no additional information on the actual event. we did see office workers coming in to the office this morning but beyond that, we have not heard from the company, fredricka. >> scott mclean, perhaps that will happen during that press conference where the police will be leading and we'll take that live. thank you so much. retired agent james galliano joining us now. what are you hoping to hear, what blanks do you want filled in from the press conference. >> sobering news story, almost on the one year verse of park land shooting. what would i be looking for, law enforcement and the public at large are interested in finding out what was the motivation. this appears to be workplace violence. as we learned in the past, recent incidents in the past, we have to be careful, slow walk it
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to find out if there was something more to this. it highlights difficulty law enforcement has when they arrive on scene, and the police in illinois did an amazing job. four minutes after the 911 call, they were making entry. we learned post columbine 20 years ago, you have to go to the sight of the guns. >> talking about a plant, scott was underscoring the kind of machinery there. this creates real obstacles for police arriving, and not, we don't know if they had detail on what portion of the plant in which the shooting was taking place, where activity was. >> absolutely. when officers arrive on the scene, they arrive in an information vacuum. all they know is somebody is exchanging gunfire, shooting people. they don't know if there are accomplices, a single shooter, don't know if it is a hate crime, domestic dispute, workplace violence, mentally disturbed person. all those things. what we learned post columbine, go to sound of the guns,
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interdict quickly as possible. in a situation like this there could have been a barricaded situation which is what we learned, the furious exchange of gunfire was in the first five to seven minutes, standard in these things. then took law enforcement 90 minutes to reach him. we don't know if he killed himself or killed by police. huge venue, you had to clear every inch of the place. >> learning whether gary martin came in with a weapon anticipating he was going to be fired or whether he was fired and left, at that time we didn't know, left and came back, that will help determine what kind of security measures potentially that this huge plant may have to consider for the future. >> very difficult. 21st century technology. we live in a country we treasure civil liberties. unless we turn it into a police state where you're screening people going room to room, it will be very difficult. i'm sure there are lessons learned, anxious to see what the
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police determine after this was involved and how to get in front of the next one, try to keep americans safe. >> thanks for joining me. >> thanks, fred. vice president biden showing off foreign policy skills on the world stage as questions linger about whether he will join the 2020 presidential race. alright, i brought in ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors.
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which we've been able to keep peace and stability for the past 70 years, and it is the heart of our collective security, it is the basis upon which the united states is able to exercise its responsibilities in other parts of the world as well. >> so how was biden's message received by european allies? >> reporter: well, the former vice president came here to munich to stress the importance of the u.s. relationship with european allies, as you heard in that sound bite, he talked about the importance of nato, working to strengthen it, also said it is very important the u.s. continue to build relationships with allies saying that the president at times, not specifically mentioning him by name, but did point out that there are a lot of times you hear fights playing out between the u.s. and other countries, and that that's something that shouldn't happen. they should work together behind
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closed doors to hammer out differences and rely on important relationship between the u.s. and european allies. a short time ago, the former vice president held a panel relating to election integrity. i had the chance to ask him about 2020 and where he is in his decision-making process. he told me he has not made a decision on 2020 just yet, that's not entirely surprising that he wouldn't announce that here in munich, but he said there's sufficient time for him to come to this decision and that he will be making it in the near future. he feels the political process is playing out a little early in the united states. biden is keeping not just people at home but in europe waiting. >> what kind of reception did he get? did it seem like he was like the man of the hour? >> reporter: i mean, at times during his speech he did seem like it sounded like he was a presidential candidate. a lot of people that were in
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that hall for the conference for his speech, there was a big u.s. delegation, we had cindy mccain attending, the former vice president gave a shoutout to her, as well as remembering the memory of senator john mccain, and nancy pelosi, john kerry. it was a very welcoming crowd to the former vice president. he has participated in this conference multiple times over the year, including last year when he had already left office. this is a familiar place for him to reconnect with some of those world leaders that he has known for a long time, as well as global security experts. for biden, this was opportunity to showcase his own foreign policy credentials as he weighs that 2020 run. >> and then you mentioned cindy mccain was there. did she have any response to the reference of the vice president, mike pence made in honor of john mccain, mentioning him and at the same time drawing
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comparisons to the current administration? >> we haven't heard from cindy mccain specifically about that statement that vice president mike pence made last night but she has been a regular figure along with her husband here at these krchconferences. john mccain used to lead the american delegation here for years. there are warm feelings from those that attend this regularly. it is unclear how she felt about the comment from mike pence, comparing him to president trump and his leadership today. >> all right. arlette signs, saenz. the time has come for european partners to stop undermining u.s. sanctions against this murderous rejeegim. the time has come for european
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partners to stand with us and the european people. allies and friends in the region. the time has come for european partners to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal and join us as we bring the economic and diplomatic pressure to give the iranian people, the region and the world the peace, security and freedom they deserve. >> senator bob menendez was also at the conference, he is a new jersey democrat, on the senate foreign relations committee. good to see you, senator. what are your thoughts on what the vice president said, urging others to join in withdrawal of the iran nuclear deal? >> well, i think we need to understand if we lecture less and lead more, we'll get further in terms of our goals. i really do believe that getting european allies to join us in all of the other elements of iran's nefarious activities, it
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is intercontinental ballistic missile development, still the largest sponsor of state terrorism, it is violation on the arms embargo. if you start there and get common ground with the your pee ands, i think the rest comes as relates to the nuclear agreement, and we'll be in perfect position. we'll start from a common ground. the europeans have their views that the agreement they entered into with iran and the united states at that time is the best way to deter iran from its nuclear ambitions. i disagree but i think we should find common ground on that which we do agree, they agree about iran's other nefarious activities, they just haven't acted on them. they need to act on them. >> do you agree with europeans
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or disagree that they were in compliance? >> well, those that administer the agreement say as relates to the agreement, iran is in compliance. the problem with the agreement is that there's a sunset clause, it will end in a few years. at the end of that period of time if there's no follow onto that agreement, then iran has a pathway to nuclear power that can be used for nuclear weapons. that's the fundamental problem with the agreement. it delayed iran's process towards a nuclear weapon, it did not end iran's ability to end up with a nuclear weapon. >> the vice president also addressed the u.s. troop pull out in syria. this is what he had to say. >> this is a change in tactics, not a change in mission. the united states will keep a strong presence in the region. we recognize it will not be enough to simply reclaim the territory of the caliphate.
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as we enter this new phase, the united states will continue to work with all our allies to hunt down the remnants of isis wherever and whenever they rear their ugly head. >> so the vice president said this is a change in tactics, not a change in mission. is it clear to you the direction the white house wants to go on syria? >> no. and as a matter of fact at this conference there's the largest congressional delegation in the history of the munich security conference, it is a bipartisan delegation, and almost unanimous vote of the voices here and from congress and the united states that a precipitous withdrawal from syria without engagement with our allies, without what is the follow on, how do you -- ending the physical elements of the caliphate is not the end of isis at the end of the day. to the extent we want allies to be on the ground in syria, are
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leaving absolutely by april, which is what the administration is saying, will not work. after so many lives and national treasure spent in the fight on terrorism, it would be a shame to ultimately leave a vacuum that will cause a whole host of problems, including the kurds that fought with us and alongside of us. if we leave them on the battlefield, they may be in for a slaughter. if that's the case, then the global message we send is don't fight for and with the united states, because when they're finished using you, they'll leave you to die on the battlefield. a horrible message. the bipartisan comments made here, including to the secretary, acting secretary of defense who was here, to tell the administration this precipitous withdrawal doesn't work, it is not in our national interest, and try to convince the president to change course. reuters is reporting the
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north korean dictate or kim jong-un will arrive in vietnam ahead of the summit with president trump in a few weeks. the president said he made great progress with north korea. do you see evidence of that? do you see their meeting, a second one, as hopeful? >> look, i'm always hopeful but i have to be honest with you, the first summit did not produce anything but again, not letting allies, south korea and japan know we were stopping military exercises. the first meeting did not even produce an agreement upon a definition of what does it mean to denuclearize the korean peninsula. so we walked away with nothing virtually. the president likes to say there are no more missile tests, no more other elements. the reason kim jong-un isn't doing missile tests is because he has done all of the testing
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he needs to test the efficiency of his missiles and weaponry. so he has given up nothing in that regard. i worry that the president is now going into another summit where we still don't have a definition that the united states and the western world has about what does it mean to denuclearize the korean peninsula. that means total verifiable ending of all weaponry that north korea has in this regard and its nuclear capability in this regard. i don't think that kim jong-un has signed on to that definition, and if he's not, what are we negotiating over? i really worry that the president for the success of the victory will accept far less than what is in the national interest and security of the united states. so i am hopeful that maybe something good can come out of it. when you start off a negotiation, when you don't even agree on the definition as to what you're trying to achieve, i think that's a problem. >> and there at the global
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summit, for so many years as senator john mccain led the u.s. delegation to this conference, and the vice president paid tribute to him, have a listen to the way in which he did it. >> i think john mccain was a man who was strong willed, hard headed. he believed in freedom, he believed in fighting for it. he believed in speaking truth to friends and challenging friends to step up for our ideals. and i'm pleased to say america has this leadership today. >> so what was your interpretation of what he was saying and any comparisons or parallels with john mccain's style of leadership and that of the current administration? >> well, i had the privilege of working with senator mccain when
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he was on the foreign relations committee with me on national security questions, on a whole host of things. john mccain believed strongly in the transatlantic alliance. he believed nato was an essential security element of the united states as well as europe. yes, he would challenge our allies but at the same token there was no doubt in nato's allies and in our western allies that the united states was going to be a constant partner, that we may disagree, for example, about how much you should be putting towards the success of nato in terms of contributions, but that nato itself is a rock solid foundation. i think that spending time here for the last two days is that many are concerned about the commitment of the united states
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under president trump to our collective alliance. the president has consistently berated nato, said it is an akr akronistic. this is the security architecture we helped create that has fwif enus peace and prosperity for the better part of three quarters of a century. we need to strengthen it, deal with new challenges, russian attacks and other challenges we have. that doesn't make nato obsolete, it makes nato evolve into new challenges of the 21st century. so i think people miss john mccain here. i certainly do. i certainly miss his voice in our u.s. foreign policy debate. he was a voice of reason and someone that always pursued national interest and security of the united states, but stu d understood it needed alliances to do that. >> when you're state side, we would love to have you back as
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co-workers the day he was to be fired. we'll bring you the latest on the update as soon as it happens. meantime, special counsel prosecutors now say for the first time they have evidence of roger stone communicating with wikileaks. a new court filing from the prosecutors say the evidence relates to release of democratic e-mails hacked and released during the 2016 presidential campaign. the full extent of the communication has not been revealed. cnn correspondent shimon probing a pez has more. >> reporter: prosecutors said the first time they have evidence of roger stone communicating with wikileaks, according to a new court filing from the special counsel office. it was during this investigation of russian hacks, clinton e-mails and podesta e-mails the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants used
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to fa sicilitate stone document release and timing and promotion of their release. this is what the special counsel office said in their filing, they were able to learn that from these searches, several of the search warrants were executed on accounts that contained roger stone's communications with gussifer 2.0, a russian intelligence agency, and with organization one which is wikileaks. previously prosecutors had only o outlined how stone attempted to get in touch with wikileaks julian assange through intermediaries, and stone wanted to know what he had stolen from the democratic party and hoped for its release to help donald trump's campaign, prosecutors have said. the new filing providing no further details on what was contained in the communications between roger stone and wikileaks. there's no one known exchange, messages between wikileaks and
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stone. that was in february, 2018. the tlak said stone had direct messages and stone was asked to stop associating himself with the site. wikileaks and roger stone deny they were in contact about release of clinton e-mails. and prosecutors have not yet explained in full the extent of which stone actually reached out to wikileaks, making it very much apparent in this court filing this part of the investigation may not be over. >> with me to talk further, michael zeldin, former federal prosecutor, robert mueller's former special assistant at the department of justice, and paul cowan. apologies up front. we may be interrupted. i may have to go to the police update out of aurora, illinois as it happens minutes away. michael, you first. robert mueller says he has proof
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that roger stone communicated directly with wikileaks. how potentially pivotal is that? >> it depends on one's view of wikileaks. i have maintained and maybe i am an outlier, wikileaks has a first amendment free press status, that is that they exist in the world in the same way as "the washington post" and "new york times" when they distributed pentagon papers and panama papers, et cetera. roger stone's communication with wikileaks itself i don't think is actionable criminally because of the first amendment point of view. if, however, communications are between stone and gussifer 2.0, the hackers, the ones that committed the crimes, then i think criminal conspiracy could lie in that, so what we need to see is what is in the communications between stone and gussifer before we know if a criminal conspiracy could be put forward. >> so it is your opinion,
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michael, that wikileaks has the same kind of protections as a news organization, even though as far as we know they don't provide news content but they provide information. >> that's right. again, there are good minds that disagree with me on this, maybe better minds that disagree with me on this, but i believe when they're a distributor of news like the snowden stuff, they're under first amendment protection. cia director pompeo thinks tlaer a none state hostile intelligence service. if that's muf's view, then they would deal with them not as a media organization and intelligence service. i don't buy it. >> paul, how do you see it. roger stone has been down playing the development, he has already admitted to brief exchanges of messages with wikileaks and the hacker known as gussifer 2.0, but says it is
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not a big deal. is it? >> fred, i hesitate to disagree with michael now that he is named as a faculty member at harvard, however, i agree on the issue that wikileaks might in fact have first amendment protection, and i don't disagree with michael about that. as a matter of fact, i think what really this is about is the fact that remember, roger stone is charged with lying to congress about the nature of his contacts with wikileaks. so i think the focus will not be so much on the issue of weather it was legal for wikileaks to provide information, i think it is more roger stone lied about it. and that's a material part of the congressional investigation. >> why the lying? >> well, they don't even have to prove why he is lying, as long as it is material to an investigation and he lies under oath, that's a form of perjury. we all know why he would be
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lying about it, if wikileaks is providing information from russian intelligence which through this gussifer 2.0 contact we know happens to be true, then this starts to prove a collusion case against the president. it is very, very important in that respect. i think that the focus on it is probably going to have to do more with lying to congress than a charge against roger stone. >> michael, we also learned that the president's press secretary, sarah sanders was interviewed by the special counsel last year. you know, she has been, you know, distributing a certain narrative of the white house. would her narrative be further examined by the special counsel or is it her testimony or interview that weighs more heavily? >> so i think, fred, that what's going on here with mueller is he is exploring a theory of justice
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that includes the possibility that the president through his communications director, whether hope hicks or shawn spicer or sarah sanders was misleading to throw off investigators from the case. we know mueller believes that's an actionable case because he brought one of those cases already against another. so it makes sense that he would want to speak to sanders to play out that thread. but ultimately i think here what's at play is the prize of keeping the president out of an oral testimony situation. in order to do that he's got to provide mueller with all of the information he otherwise couldn't get from another witness. therefore, if sarah sanders and everybody gives him information that he would get from the president, he, therefore, mueller, has a chance of not being given the right to subpoena the president. i think that's what this is all
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about, keeping the president out of an oral interview. >> paul? >> i agree with michael on that. i think it sort of emphasizes the sad fact as well that the press secretary doesn't maybe get all of the inside scoop on what's going on in the oval office. she's tormented, of course, when she has to answer questions before the press but presidents have traditionally kept press secretary on a tight rein. when that is disclosed, you waive executive privilege, you publicly revealed a conversation. i think in the end her contacts with the president will as michael said, that might be a reason the president could be subpoenaed to testify himself, but i think that's the significance of it and the importance of it. >> all right. paul, michael, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you, fred. still ahead, questions swirl
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spectacular career at the heart of power in washington and in rome. when the u.s. cardinals were summoned to the vatican by john paul ii in 2002 at the beginning of the sex abuse scandal, cardinal mccarrick was the reassuring face of the crisis, advocating zero tolerance for abusers, even as there were unrevealed allegations against him. >> i can't see how anyone in the united states today would cover up something like that. >> reporter: theodore mccarrick was created a cardinal in 2001 by john paul ii. around that time an american priest wrote to the vatican to warn of rumors the cardinal was sexually abusing seminaryians. no action was taken for years until under benedict xvi he was advised not to travel. >> we apologize having to interrupt that report. let's go to aurora for an update on the workplace shooting yesterday. >> review yesterday's time line
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by deputy chief keef, brief remarks from the chief of police, and followed by information from the assistant special agent in charge from the chicago field office. and we're going to follow that with a brief overview of yesterday's time line by deputy chief keith jackson, then following that, we return to chief ziman for brief questions. okay? >> good morning, everyone. i am kristin ziman, chief of police for aurora police department. before i give the update, i want to give heart felt thanks who citizens that delivered food, well wishes for officers in recovery. gratitude to law enforcement brothers and sisters from across the nation and beyond who reached out to us. it means so much to know you're sending positive energy for our
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officers that were injured, the responding officers and victims' families. as we relentlessly pursue questions on why a person could do such a thing, we feel the support from all of you, my cup runneth over. i want to begin by providing an update on the condition of our officers still being treated for their injuries related to yesterday's shooting incident. all five of our officers are recovering and under the care of physicians in the chicago metro area. officer one is a male, 39 years of age, 13 years of service here at the aurora police department. this officer suffered a gunshot wound to his lower extremity in stable condition at a local hospital. officer two, a male, 52 years of age, with 25 years of service at the aurora police department. this officer suffered a gunshot wound to his upper extremity. he was treated and will be released from the hospital later this morning.
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officer three is a male, 52 years old, with 24 years of service here at the aurora police department. he suffered a gunshot wound to the lower extremity. he was treated and released from the hospital yesterday. officer four, a male, 53 years of age, 30 years of service. this officer suffered a gunshot wound to the lower extremity and was treated in an area hospital. officer five, a male, 24 years of age, with just under four years of service. this officer suffered a series of shrapnel wounds to the upper extremity. he is currently treated and is in stable condition at a local hospital. officer six, a male, 23 years of age, two years of experience, is here at the aurora police department, he suffered a minor injury responding to the incident. the injury was not related to gunfire. all of the officers' injuries are considered nonlife-threatening. we would also like to provide limited information on the employees of henry pratt victims of yesterday's shooting.
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clayton parks of elgin, illinois. mr. parks was the human resource manager at henry plat. trevor wayner of dekalb, illinois. mr. wayner was a human resource intern at henry pratt and a student at northern illinois university. russell buyer of yorkville, illinois. was he a mold operator at henry pratt. vin sen taye juarez. he was a stock room attendant and forklift operator at henry pratt. josh pinkard of oswego, illinois. he was the plant manager for henry pratt. another shooting victim, male employee of henry pratt was treated at an area hospital for nonlife-threatening gunshot wounds sustained in the incident. preliminary investigation indicates the deceased victims were located in the same general area of the henry pratt
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facility. while this investigation is on-going, we believe there was only one assailant. here's what we know so far about the shooter. 45 years of age. he lived in the 1900 block of sell martin road in aurora. six prior arrests by the aurora police department, including arrests for traffic and domestic battery related issues. last arrest in aurora was in 2008 for violating an order of protection. his last arrest in 2017 by oswego, illinois police department for criminal damage to property. regarding the weapon used in the shooting incident. in january of 2014 the shooter was issued a firearms applied to purchase a hand gun from a local gun deemer in aurora. on march 11 shooter took possession of a smith and wesson 40 caliber handgun from that
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same gun dealer. the shooter applied for a conceal carry at an unknown location. during the process, it was discovered he had a felony conviction for agravateded assault. the date of that conviction was august 3, 1995. this conviction would not necessarily show up on a criminal background check for a card. once this was discoverleed, his card was revoked. step at special agent in charge brendan iver is here and able to describe how a firearm is traced. >> thank you, chief. good morning. we start with the manufacturer of that firearm. from the manufacture, we follow
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that firearm down to the distributer. from the distributer down to the local federal licensee. ultimately to the first initial purchaser. of the firearm. if we need to, we will follow that firearm from the first initial purchaser. once we get this information, we actively and proactively share it with our state and local counterparts who have a vestled interest in the investigation. >> chief. >> first, i'd leike to give youa rundown of similar resources used yesterday. we used approximately eight s.w.a.t. teams from federal to local level. approximately 35 agencies
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responded consisting of approximately 200 to 300 officers. there will be a reference made to contact teams and rescue task force teams. we used eight contact teams. those were made up of approximately six to eight officer. we also formed approximately 13 rescue task force teams which c con sisisted of eight officers three medics. or personnel from the fire department. to start with the time line. the original call came in. officers were dispatched to archer avenue active shooter in the plant. second call, 13:24 hours. >> the update in aurora illinois
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and the resources used during the workplace shooting and an update on this sixth officer who is hospitalized with nonlife threatening injuries. their ages and their years of experience are notable. from age 23 to 54, spanning experience from 2 years to 30 year. cnn law enforcement analyst james is here with me now. also a synopsis of the suspect who was killed in this con from tat confrontation with police, gary martin, and how he was able to maintain this handgun really not long prior to shooting that did took place.
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we still don't know the sequence of events, but we do know the consequence it being very grave, five employees, co-workers, killed and six off thor e er o. >> police have not gotten intoi line. two were hr employees. human resources. that's where the gunman had gone to basically air grievances. in the second -- >> all happening in the same general facility. the area, you know, contained of people who were killed, injured, also in the same location. >> shop workers, shop foreman and two hr workers. it's 2019. in the last month and a half, of this year, 16 police officers
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killed in the line of duty. in this instance, thank god, none of them killed but five officers wounded. three of them my age in their early 50s. two, younger folks. >> what do you still want to hear to help kind of connect the dot als of what happened, what interactions there may have been with the suspect and, you know, the consequence? >> kuld kudos to the police department in aurora. they did the right thing yield yesterday. and then we'll get you further details. now the further details. a couple of things in regard to the gun laws. we know states have varying gun laws dependent upon if you are a
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convicted felon. if this individual hadn't gotten that conviction exexpunged. in some cases, especially illinois, they've got strvery strict gun laws. how was he able to get a concealled permit? we know that was revoked. but that obviously didn't cause him to turn the weapon in. >> how do you suppose this incident might precipitate any changings, on how workplaces can protect themselves? >> we know from the homeland security perspective. manufacturing is one of those. how do we keep those safe? we talk about soft targetings, rig targets, right, that means something we would not presume to put up tsa there to screen
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people. i think most businesses are making a determination whether or not you have to do what we're doing in the school systems. single point entry. is this going to mean in the future we're going to have armed guard also at places of business? in an instance leak thiike this please violence, fred, that can happen anywhere. >> james galanio, thank you. all right, much more straight head. a lot will happen in your life. wrinkles just won't. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair's derm-proven retinol works so fast, it takes only one week to reveal younger looking skin. neutrogena®
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