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and a temitation to look out at some of the group and say i don't believe what they believe and, therefore, that's their problem not ours. honestly, that's what southern baptist, how they got a little into this problem. we said this is a roman catholic problem or harvey weinstein problem, not something that can happen to us. predators count on that to assume it can't happen. anywhere there are people -- this is a people problem. whether we're talking zen buddhist or fundamentalist, anywhere there are people, this can be an issue and we have to be vigilant to say we'll not allow it to take place and this will not be a safe place for impunity. >> we're certainly realizing this is not an isolated problem. and pastor greear, thank you for coming on "new day" to address this. >> good morning, everyone. we're resetting. >> let's reset. >> great talk. welcome to a special holiday edition of "new day." it's monday, presidents' day, february 18th. it's 8:00 in the east. john berman is off and john
avlon joins me. thanks for spending your holiday with me. a top white house official says president trump is prepared to issue the first veto of his presidency if congress tries to repeal his national emergency, it circumvents congress for the border wall money. >> will the president veto that, which would be the first veto of his presidency? >> obviously, the president is going to protect his national emergency declaration, chris. i know we're out of time but i want to make this point. there's no threat -- >> so, yes, he will veto? >> he's going to protect his national emergency declaration, guaranteed. >> already democrats are planning to introduce a resolution disapproving of the emergency declaration. and that is expected to pass both chambers. >> president trump also facing mounting legal challenges. california's attorney general says he's work with several states to sue the white house. plus a prominent republican senator wants to haul andrew mccabe before congress to answer questions after bombshell revelations in his new book about president trump and the
russia investigation. let's bring in our guests to talk about all of this. jeffrey toobin. he is the chief -- cnn's chief legal analyst. karen finney, spokesperson for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign and mike rogers, former republican house intel chairman. mike rogers, i want to start with you since you -- >> happy presidents' day. >> thank you. and you as well. you can still channel your republican colleagues. are you surprised by how quickly in congress they seem to have gotten on board with the emergency declaration that robs them of one of their premier powers? i mean, the power of the purse. and to hear mitch mcconnell and other people say, yes, this is now the right decision? >> yeah, if i listen to mitch mcconnell correctly, though, he said if it is legal, i will support it. so that was his couching, i think, of a position he probably didn't want to find himself in. legally, i think the president is probably on solid legal ground.
there's been 70 of these national emergencies, something like 37 are still in effect by a whole variety of presidents. and the law is not very clear on what a national emergency is. so it would be really hard for the court to step in and then overstep all of those 70 other decisions in congress specifically giving the president this authority. i think politically that is the price that the president pays on this. he must think this fight is worth having. i don't. i think there's better ways to get there. there will be something like $8 billion of unobligated, appropriated funds. $8 billion. you get into the falling, right, you can start capturing that money through reprogramming by negotiating and sitting down and talking to people. the democrats aren't in that mood either but that's the way it's supposes to work versus this public ugly fight for the next few months. i'm just not sure you win the political argument. >> let's put politics aside for a second, jeff, although that's always a dangerous thing to do and look at the legal case here.
clearly the president has been talking about this for months and one of the reasons he didn't take the step is white house counsel was saying this is not a slam dunk. now we have a supreme court that's more friendly to executive power in the past. we're also running up against basic constitutional elements. congress has the power to appropriate. and this is transparently an end run around congress' power. why do you feel he's on stronger legal ground? >> there's a statute here. the national emergencies act of 1976 which says under certain circumstances, the president can go around the appropriations procedure. and so the question is, for the courts will be, is this an emergency that is covered by that law? and it's my view that courts often defer to the president on issues of fact. like is there an emergency? many courts will say, look, we don't have the resources to determine that. we'll defer to the executive branch. now there are problems with
trump's position. this has never been -- it's true as congressman says, there is -- it's been done many times in the past. never in the face of direct congressional opposition. also, where's the emergency? the fact that the president just said he didn't need to do this. he's had two years to do it, if he wanted. so there are factual problems. but on balance, i think the president is more likely to win than lose in the courts. >> what happens when the president spends $8 billion earmarked for other things and then it doesn't solve the opioid crisis in this country. >> that's right. and think about the fact that also these projects that may be in the pipeline that then the money is pulled back from, each of those projects is attached to a congressional district and a state where you have republicans and democrats. and that's part of why you're not seeing the full republican support. so part of what happens, and part of what's going to happen
over the next period of time is, as the president decides where he's going to take the resources, democrats and others will be looking very closely to see what things won't happen in the wake of his declaring an emergency and taking those funds. and what impact will that have on communities? >> mike rogers, i want to switch gears and focus on one particular element from last night's "60 minutes" interview with andrew mccabe i imagine was of particular interest to you as former house intelligence committee chairman. it's when mccabe was recounting a conversation with the president and the president's resistance to information about -- from the intelligence community on north korea. let's take a listen. >> they don't have the sound. >> we don't have the sound but what he said was -- >> do a dramatic reading? >> i'll be scott pelley and you be -- no. >> the dramatic reading, the punch line is, i don't believe the intelligence communities. vladimir putin told me north
korea doesn't have that missile capability. i believe putin. what's your reaction? >> well, obviously, that's very, very concerning to me. these are his intelligence folks who are calling lots of points of collection, meaning human and electronic and digital. every form of int as they would say. they take all of that information and then they come up with a policy or at least proposal or at least an understanding of what's going on in the world. the president needs to have faith and trust in that information. it's the best that we have by the best that we have in america to provide it. and so when you walk away from that information, that to me is very, very concerning. and you can't not want to believe it. it's the one good thing about the intelligence community is they'll lay it on your table. it may not fit your political narrative. it may. but they'll tell you what the facts on the ground are and then it's up to policymakers to take it from there. saying off the chart that, gee, i just don't believe it. i believe vladimir putin who is
a trained kgb agent in manipulation, meaning he'll manipulate any source of information he can to his advantage. that's what concerns me about that whole process of the president just not having that comfort level with the intelligence community. i don't know who is wis phisper in his ear he shouldn't. i hope coats and haspel are. that's how you make a decision based on the information they are collecting and providing and analyzing for you. >> isn't this yet another example of the president's weird deference to vladimir putin? this is not just any leader. this is vladimir putin who he was trying to do business with, who was helping him win the election. i mean, there is something bizarre and perhaps sinister about the president's relationship with russia. this has been a theme. this has -- the core of the mueller investigation. it is not just any foreign
leader whose advice he's taking. it's vladimir putin. >> karen finney, this must drive you crazy. it must drive you crazy. after having lived through hillary clinton's campaign and now to see andrew mccabe's disclosures. i mean, all of the weirdness going on. they were considering the 25th amendment to invoke it. they were considering -- he was asked in his job interview about who he voted for. hillary clinton or donald trump. what are your thoughts as you watched all of these disclosures. >> and the immeediacy after the election, it drove me crazy but as an american, i find it very disconcerting when you think about the security conference that's going on overseas and the fact that, you know, mike pence went there again trying to peddle this idea about moving away from the iran nuclear deal which, of course, makes our european allies very nervous. my thought about this was they had to have been -- our european allies had to have been listening to that interview with great concern because, as we
know, when the united states recedes from the world, that leaves a vacuum for russia and china. so if you are part of the european alliance and the president has trashed that alliance again and again and again, and you see these fractures, and we know russia, as we just said, is a manipulator. they like to manipulate these kinds of fractures. so i think from the perspective of the strength of the united states in the world, which i'm more concerned about as an american than as a partisan, it is not -- it makes the world less safe when the united states retreats. and, obviously, our allies don't believe they can trust this president and surely they got cold comfort last night when they heard the president listens to putin more than anyone else. and i would submit that's probably the person whispering in his ear. >> funny you should mention the munich security conference. there was a contrast in receptions. we have this sound and mike
rogers, let's get your take. it's pretty stark. >> you promised that we had it. >> i was told -- michael pence at munich mentioning -- >> i can drink a beer so people think we're in munich. >> you be mike pence. >> this is presidential deference. >> all right. let's take a listen. >> from the 45th president of the united states of america. president donald trump. yeah, that was deafening silence. and the contrast was when joe biden stepped up there was deafening applause. maybe this is just european bias but that seemed to set the tone in the room for how presidential leadership is being received overseas. the missing part of that clip was the president -- the vice president tapping the microphone saying is this thing on?
is this working? can you hear me? listen, it's -- there has been a stark contrast from past presidents about the importance of the relationship with our european allies. and folks like me who are -- spent my whole life in the national security space believe that's a very important relationship. is it frustrating? do they get it right all the time? no. do we have some conflicts along the way? yes. but it's like a big family. some days are dysfunctional. some days are fantastic. some days you're at disneyland and some days in the garage screaming at each other. that's what happens with our european allies. and so i think -- again that room, i've been at the munich security conference many times. there's never really a love fest in that room in that area with the united states. there always is some tensions. and that's a good thing for that conference to try to work through those tensions. and that's why we'd go and invest time in that conference. but it is troubling to me that we are willing to allow
countries we know don't have the best interests of the world at heart to have influence -- countries like china and like iran and like russia are filling in voids around the world. and our european allies see it. don't get me wrong. our european allies need to step up sometimes, too. we'd like to be silent on some of the things they do and they're head-scratchers. but they are part of our extended family in the national security posture around the world, and we need to continue to work with them. they have to get invited to the dinner. >> all right. have to leave it there. >> mike rogers, karen finney and jeffrey toobin. robert mueller's team says it has evidence of roger stone communicate with wikileaks. what does this revelation mean? a member of the house intel committee joins us next.
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fired fbi deputy director andrew mccabe speaking out saying president trump's own words moved top officials to open a counterintelligence investigation. republican senator lindsey graham now says he wants to question mccabe about his story. joining us is mike quigley who serves on the intelligence and appropriations committee. congressman, good to have you on "new day." let's start with this question about the invocation of the 25th amendment. the conversations mccabe said occurred and graham's reaction. let's listen to mccabe. >> a discussion of the 25th
amendment was simply rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort. i didn't have much to contribute, to be perfectly honest in that conversation. so i listened to what he had to say. but to be fair, it was an unbelievably stressful time. i can't even describe for you how many things must have been coarsing throue inine ining cou deputy attorney's mind. it was something he threw out in a frenzied, chaotic conversation about where we were and what we needed to do now. >> congressman, does invoking the 25th amendment seem remotely appropriate to you? >> let's look at the situation. and it's pretty dramatic. the russian investigation began as a counterintelligence
investigation because the intelligence community with great deal of certainty unanimously came to the conclusions the russians attacked the democratic process to help one candidate and hurt the other. the investigation that mr. mccabe is referencing was raising questions about whether the president of the united states was compromised. this is extraordinary. so a theoretical discussion about what would happen, i would assume, if it was -- if it came to the conclusion that the president was compromised, is not a surprise. the fact that it's being discussed, sure, it is shocking. but what we're learning about what the president's associates and what the president has done since he took office is extraordinary. and i believe that discussion was merited. >> and do you think then that senator graham's call for a hearing on this subject is appropriate on the senate side? >> you know, what's appropriate,
i guess a better way to look at it is this. it's a classic republican response to what's taken place, right? dni coats has said that the lights are still flashing red. the russians are still attacking our democratic process. all along, the republican response, besides tanking the investigation on the house side and shutting it down has been to help the president of the united states politically and legally and to attack the justice department and to attack the intelligence community. so it's no surprise at all that the senator springs into action by again attacking the justice department and questioning them rather than asking themselves, why would mr. mccabe ask the question, why is the president doing this? from day one. why was the president acting as if he had been compromised? >> let's go to the democratic side of the aisle and the chairman of your intel
committee, schiff, spoke over the weekend. and seemed to indicate a strong disposition as he has in the past towards the investigation. let's take a listen. >> you can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence. now there's a difference between seeing evidence of collusion and being able to prove a criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt. but chairman burr must have a different word for it, but it will be up to mueller to determine whether that amounts to criminal conspiracy. >> on the house intel side, you've been very focused on following the money. congressman schiff has been focused on following the money. what are the next steps in that search that you're allowed to share with us? >> i think that new investigation begins with an assessment of the situation. what are the gaps? what do we still have to do? obviously, deutsche bank is a great interest given they were fined for laundering russian money illegally. and deutsche bank apparently was the only bank willing to do
business with the trump financial world. so i think it's a methodical step by step analysis of where we are, what we still have to do. the fact is, i believe that if the president was compromised, he was compromised from a financial point of view. >> you believe he was compromised from a financial point of view. that is, obviously, one of the things that's being looked into and there remains a lot of open questions. one thing there seems to be more information is prosecutors saying over the weekend that they have evidence showing direct communication between roger stone and wikileaks. was this news to you, or were you aware of it and can you add any more detail on what it might entail? >> i think what the american public should take from all of this is that the special counsel is slowly unveiling pulling the veil over a pattern of behavior of contacts, communication and discussions with the russians and trump associates. it gets closer and closer to
home. what are the two notes we learned last week that mr. manafort was sharing polling data with mr. kilimnik who -- a russian intel figure he'd been working with in the past. and mr. stone was communicating with wikileaks. i was one of a few that questioned mr. stone in front of the house select committee on intelligence. i didn't believe anything he was saying, and, obviously my assessment is borne to be accurate. he's communicating with wikileaks while they're sharing polling data with russian intel. this is the special counsel lifting the veil on, really, what is a conspiracy. >> all right, congressman mike quigley, thanks for joining us on "new day." >> thanks again. john, will president trump face a 2020 challenge from within the republican party? former presidential candidate john kasich gives us his
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across the country against president trump's declaration of a national emergency to fund his border wall. the president says he's prepared to defend his declaration in the courts. joining us to talk about this and more, we have john kasich, the former ohio governor and cnn's senior political commentator. good morning, governor. >> hi, alisyn. >> great to have you. are you surprised by how quickly it seems some of your republican colleagues have gotten comfortable with this emergency declaration and with surrendering their power to decide on what gets paid for and what doesn't get paid for? >> well, it's kind of politics. first thought, i'm an american before i'm a republican. that's -- let's get that straight. and secondly, no, i think that when the leader says do something, there's become the tendency to do it. it's always been that way, but there's been more allegiance to the leader that i'm sort of used to but when i was in congress, there were times we told the leadership, we don't agree with you and we're going to do what
we have to do. am i surprised they feel pressure to go along. they worry about republican primaries and all that stuff. sure. but i think if the resolution gets to the senate, which i expect it will, i think it will pass in the senate. i don't think there will be enough votes it override a veto, but my sense is it will pass. >> one of the arguments that president trump is making for why he has to build this border wall is because of what he says the influx of drugs coming from the southern bord eparticularly heroin. you are on the front lines and certainly were as a governor of the opioid crisis at ground zero, ohio. you managed to have the opioid deaths drop by 22% in the past year, and so do you think that a border wall, that 230 miles of a wall or a barrier is going to solve the opioid crisis? >> i think it's a very complicated deal. and here in the united states, part of the problem with opiates is that we were passing them out
without any restraint. and it seemed to be a habit or part of the culture in medicine for a point in time. we changed all that in ohio. so by prescribed opiate deaths went down because we clamped down on the ability to prescribe those opiates in massive amounts. the danger, of course, is fentanyl which does come across the border, or heroin or cocaine and they tend to come across the border, they say, through these checkpoints and they smuggle them in somehow. do i think the border is a serious problem? i do. enough to declare it a national emergency like the president is doing? no. because i think this is a political declaration. and frankly, you don't do end runs around congress. the purpose of the national declaration was to say if we have -- really have a problem here that is something that everybody agrees upon, rather than going through the formal process of running everything through the congress, the committees, the subcommittees, the this thing, the that thing, give the president the authority
to do what the president needs to do which is in the interest and agreed to by all the parties in the country it's an emergency. this is not the case. congress has already decided what they want to do on the border. and for him to say, i just don't like what they did, that flaunts in the face of that national declaration. it's going to go to the courts. and you try to tell me what the judges are going to decide. i really don't know. could he win that? maybe. i sort of feel as though, well, depends who the judges are and where they come down on this, but this is definitely not the intent of what the congress had when they passed this. >> earlier we had former massachusetts information bill weld on. what do you think of his idea to pose a primary challenge to president trump? >> well, this used to be an everyday occurrence. teddy kennedy running against jimmy carter. eugene mccarthy running against lyndon johnson before bobby kennedy got in. pat buchanan running against george bush. this happens all the time.
and now lately there is like, oh, no, no, you can't do that. he has a right to do this. and you have to look at what's happening here in the republican primary. not at this point in terms of where we are today but where we might be given the advance of time. secondly, it's really healthy to have a debate about what the republican party stands for. i mean, is the republican party for not having free trade? i don't think so. is the republican party don't care about debt? i don't think so. is the republican party anti-immigration? i don't think so. is the republican party into name calling? i don't think so. this will be a test to determine where the party is. and i think that's very, very healthy for the republican party. frankly, the conservative movement can't just sit back and attack progressives and say all their ideas are crazy without offering some sort of alternative on the environment, on the difference between the rich and the poor, on immigration, on the -- all these things. ideas are what move politics,
not some stupid political considerations. >> well, in terms of those stupid political considerations, what governor weld said is that he has not gotten a warm welcome from the state republican party. listen to what he says has happened since he announced this exploratory committee. >> sure, it was a joke. the response to my announcement of an exploratory committee has been, for everybody to close ranks among the state republican parties and say, no, we can't have a primary. and the truth is if the president had his first choice, he wouldn't have a primary, and he wouldn't have an election. >> it sounds like the folks in new hampshire at least do not like this idea of him getting in. >> yeah. you know, there are some party people that they tolerate no dissent on this. they criticized me. i didn't go to the convention. i didn't endorse the guy. who cares? you can have your opinion. just respect my opinion. in this world today, it seems as though we don't have a lot of respect for other people's
opinion and that's just not held by republicans. that's across the board. it seems as though we have an inability to listen to one another and that's -- well, we'll have to get over that because we don't function well when we're divided. in terms of his right to run, of course he has a right to run and the fact that people are all flipped out because he wants to present a different point of view, that's nonsense. it's good for the party. no, presidents don't want to have -- governors, presidents, nobody wants to have a primary but it's all part of the system. >> and do you think there's room for more than one primary challenger to president trump? >> i don't know how that's all going to work out. i can't predict. i can predict the vote like maybe what's going to happen on the national emergency but i'm not a swami looking into a ball here. i didn't predict the uture. but whatever we think is going to happen probably won't. >> i'll take that to the bank. governor john kasich, always
great to talk to you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> a swami. i like that. that swoword is not used enough politics. amy klobuchar stoet to answ questions from voters in a town hall tonight. dare to stop searching. with jared's unparalleled selection of diamonds... and price match guarantee. dare to be devoted. only at jared®.
breaking news. haiti's foreign minister confirms to cnn that five americans have been arrested on conspiracy charges. they've not been formally charged by haitian authorities. it comes after more than a week of deadly riots protesting haiti's president and calling on him to step down over alleged corruption. cnn has reached out to the u.s. state department, and we are awaiting its reaction. democratic senator amy klobuchar is spending presidents' day in new hampshire as her campaign enters its second week. tonight klobuchar will take part in a cnn town hall moderated by don lemon. cnn's suzanne malveaux is live in manchasest are with more. what's going on? >> there's a lot of excitement here. you see the stage just behind me. that's where don lemon will be talking to amy klobuchar but also in this small intimate setting, she'll be hearing and getting questioned fielded from
students, faculty, from democratdemocra democratic activists. seeing her up close the last few weeks, get a real impression of how she'll respond. if you ask her about immigration reform, she loves to tell stories about her grandfather who went to ellis island and was rejected and later accepted u.s. citizenship two weeks before world war ii and how that meant the world to her. if you ask her about everybody participating in this democracy, she'll talk about her husband john growing up with five siblings, all six of them in a trailer and piling into a station wagon and having to count off each one of those kids so they didn't leave anybody behind. that everybody has to be included. those are the kinds of things she loves to do to make those personal connections. she's travel with her daughter abigail and husband john. you won't hear so much about minnesota nice as you will about heartland economics. and that's the idea that people in rural areas should have education, have jobs, health
care, just like the rest of the united states, the rest of americans. those are the voters that she is really focussing on. that's her greatest strength. and alisyn, i'd put money on this, she'll make a joke about not being in the snow. how wonderful to be indoors that she didn't bring her snow globe. it's one of those metaphors she uses for showing that, yes, she has grit, tenacity, she's able to handle those tough circumstances, including the president. alisyn? >> yes, she has grit, tenacity, but no hat. that is what i felt she needed for that announcement. >> and gloves. i don't know how she did it. >> i don't either. >> we'll bhr hear about it, for sure. >> you can watch senator amy klobuchar in our cnn town hall with don lemon tonight at 10:00 p.m. in new hampshire only on cnn. all nine 2020 democratic contenders vowing to go to battle for main street over the interest of wall street. but that rallying cry could pose
a challenge. athena jones explains why. >> part of my goal in running for president is to make sure that no community feels left behind. >> reporter: it's become a rallying cry for democrats. fight for main street over the interests of wall street. >> when bankers who crashed our economy get bonuses, but the workers who brought our country back can't even get a raise, that's not our america. >> the problem we've got right now in washington is that it works great for those who have got money to buy influence. and i'm fighting against that, and you bet, it's going to make a lot of people unhappy. >> reporter: a growing chorus of democratic contenders is now answering the call. more than a decade after the worst economic disaster since the great depression. sparked by big banks making risky mortgage investments. >> we should close those tax lo loopholes designed by and for the wealthy and bring down our debt and make it easier for
workers to afford child care, housing and education. >> i want to run this campaign on the power of the people. >> reporter: seeking to burnish their populist credentials, all nine democratic candidates who have entered the fray so far have pledged to reject money from corporate political action committees. >> we really need to make every effort we can to get rid of the corporate money and dark money that is flowing into politics and my effort to bancorp r corp pac checks. >> secretary clinton was too busy giving speeches to goldman sachs for $225,000 a speech. >> i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage rehafr. >> reporter: the reverberations
still being felt. new york senator jigillibrand tk to twitter last month to gauge support for her campaign by laying out her record taking on the financial industry. she touted her support for a financial transaction task. and her two votes against the bank bailout. but she argues the problem is bigger than wall street. >> it's not just about one industry. it's actually about how the country works. it is a system that is deeply rigged for the people who have enormous amounts of money and power. it is the powerful interests that control everything. and that's what we have to take on. >> reporter: it's a move that reflects how ties to wall street could pose a challenge for some democrats, such as gillibrand and cory booker who have accepted millions in campaign contributions from employees of a securities and investment industry in recent years. >> our democracy is not for sale. >> reporter: and opens a
potential line of attack for rivals. >> by the way, if we truly believe that, then we also need to end the unwritten rule of politics that says that anyone who wants to run for office has to start by sucking up to a bunch of rich donors on wall street and powerful insiders in washington. >> reporter: athena jones, cnn, new york. >> she makes a good point there. that's how you play the game. you need the grassroots small funding and the wall street funding. so -- >> talking about it honestly builds a backlash and people saying, look, don't just look at the donations. look at my record. but there's appropriate scrutiny of that process. here's what else to watch today.
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"saturday night live" apparently getting under president trump's skin this weekend. president trump tweeted, how do the networks get away with these total republican hit jobs without retribution? very unfair and should be looked into. this is the real collusion. that tweet came after this sketch. >> so i'm going to sign these papers for emergency and then i'll immediately be sued and then the ruling will not go in my favor and then i end up in the supreme court and i'll call
my buddy kavanaugh and say it's time to repay the donny and they'll say new phone, who dis? and then the mueller report will be released crumbling my house of cards and i can just please insanity and do a few months in the puzzle factory and my personal hell of playing president will finally be over. >> joining us now is brian stelter, cnn chief media correspondent and anchor of "reliable sources." the president really wants to retaliate against a comedy show? he wants somebody to look into what "snl" is doing? who, the comedy police. >> laugh so you don't cry. seriously. he should not be talking about rets r retribution. and yet we've seen this story for the last two years. make a ridiculous threat that's inappropriate but then doesn't do anything it and everybody forgets about it. he's threatened nbc's licenses in the past and not done anything about it. he's giving alec baldwin what he
wants. i could argue that baldwin's sketch, his impersonations get a little boring and tired and unpredictable and then president trump comes along and gives it new energy and trump keeps baldwin going playing trump. they are in this -- locked in this twisted relationship. >> this dysfunctional relationship. baldwin at the end when he says my personal hell of playing the president will be over seemed to work both ways. >> uh-huh. >> when the president tweets there should be retribution, someone should look into this. we don't have a comedy police. what is he trying to communicate? what does he think is out there that can be done? >> it's us versus them. maybe the only thing that does exist in this facase is the fcc which does grant licenses to nbc's local television stations every time. they just get renewed automatically every eight years. conceivably any president could
try to meddle in that. that's really the only option other than tweeting and angrily tweeting. baldwin shot back last night and said is this a threat? i'm one of the enemies of the people now? does this constitute a threat to my family's safety? now they're going back and forth, part of that twisted relationship. there is nothing the president can do and there is baldwin's tweet saying -- >> he says i wonder if a sitting president exhortsing his followers that my role in a tv comedy qualifies me as an enemy of the people constitutes a threat to my safety and that of my family. it helps alec baldwin's brand but to be on the receiving end of the president saying nasty things is not always a great feeling, as you know. >> deeply uncomfortable for people, whether you are a celebrity like alec baldwin or not. whether there's these authoritarian impulses to control the media or incompetence.
he is just complaining, venting. nobody takes it seriously. that's the strange place we're in. he says these things outrageous and inappropriate and yet we shrug it off because he never does anything about it. it's not a healthy place to be for a country. >> that's a sign of normalization. given it's presidents' day. you have to search long and hard for something like this. but it's ironic. when he talks about these actions against media companies, one country where that does happen, venezuela. so it does strike the reality that we've come to shrug these off. the president of the united states going after a satirical show, going after an actor. >> i like what chuck schumer said. they were parodied on "snl" as well. schumer offered an alternative way to respond. here he is saying, you know, he enjoyed the spoof. he linked to it. he liked so much he linked to
but he said i don't use a smartphone. i use a flip phone. that's what we're used to from politicians. that's how politicians in the past have usually reacts to "snl." >> the problem is and this is one of the unique things about president trump, he is humorless. he is humor impaired. this is not an original thought today. he is -- has never been captured laughing on any camera of any kind. he doesn't -- has never made a joke, at least not a funny one. he's humor impaired. and so -- name a time -- >> humor impaired. >> massively humor impaired. i don't know if he thinks -- he can't think like chuck schumer is to go back and say something funny and self-deprecating. >> the few times i've seen him make a scripted self-deprecating, it's effective. it's effective for politicians. but because he's humor deficient, that's not happening off the cuff. >> you'd think he would want to go in on "snl," be part of the
joke. he did do that before becoming president. but maybe something changed along the way. the one that's benefiting shehe is alec baldwin. his impersonation gets new life whenever the president complains about it. >> or increased awareness about the first amendment. protests against the national emergency are set to begin across the country. and "newsroom" will pick up after this very quick break. >> happy product prt liberty mutual accident forgiveness means they won't hike your rates over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges.
all right. top of the hour. good morning. i'm poppy harlow. welcome to a special holiday edition of "newsroom." jim sciutto has a well deserved day off. on this presidents' day, president trump is firing back this morning at one of his favorite targets, former acting fbi director andrew mccabe. he said it was no joke when rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, offered to wear a wire into the white house just days after fbi director james comey was fired by president trump. listen to this. >> we talked about why the president had insisted on firing the director and whether or not he was thinking about the russia investigation and did that impact his decision? and in the context of that discussion, the deputy attorney