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intelligence. will dan coats be shown the door for publicly contradicting the commander in chief? stone cold attack. trump ally roger stone blasts the judge in his criminal case, appearing to show we're in the cross hairs in a social media post. is he violating a gag order issued by that same judge? and supported by robert mueller? diplomatic liaisons. just days before the second trump/kim summit, we're learning about a potentially significant move toward building formal relations between the two countries. standby for the exclusive details. and democrats divided. white house hopefuls are converging on early voting states as the split widens between the left and the center. tonight we'll hear a moderate voice as senator amy klobuchar takes questions at a cnn town hall event. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. this is a cnn "situation room" special report.
breaking news tonight. a trump insider is hinting that the president may be preparing to fire his director of national intelligence after dan coats repeatedly contradicted his boss' policies in public testimony. after speaking with mr. trump by this weekend, chris ruddy tells cnn there's a feeling the president is disappointed in coats and wants a change. this as mr. trump is launching a new attack on former fbi acting director andrew mccabe. he's calling revelations about the russia probe in mccabe's new book deranged. in a new interview, mccabe insists deputy attorney general rod rosenstein was serious when he discussed wearing a wire to get evidence that might lead to mr. trump's being removed from office. this hour, i'll talk with congressman john garamendi, an armed services committee member. and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. first, let's go to our white
house correspondent abby phillip. abby, another member of the president's national security team may be on the way out. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. christopher ruddy is one of the president's longtime confidants and he did spend the weekend in florida this week where he spoke to president trump, but ruddy is saying that sources are telling him that president trump might be souring on dan coats. now, this information from ruddy is coming just weeks after dan coats testified on capitol hill. it's essentially contradicting president trump on north korea. saying that north korea is unlikely to give up their nuclear weapons, but it also comes just days before president trump is ex. e expected to head to hanoi, vietnam, for a second summit with north korea's leader kim jong-un. >> hello, miami. >> reporter: tonight, the president may be considering firing his top intelligence official, as he fires back at his former acting fbi director. chris ruddy, one of president trump's closest confidants, and ceo of newsmax, telling cnn's
christiane amanpour the president may get rid of his director of national intelligence. >> the intelligence chiefs including the director of national intelligence, dan coats, just went before an open session of congress and they openly said that they believe the president's policies and efforts in north korea are going to fail based on the intelligence. and christiane, i'm hearing from sources around the white house that there's just general disappointment of the president with director coats. there's a feeling that -- >> uh-oh. >> -- maybe there needs to be a change of leadership in that position. >> reporter: tonight's revelations about coats come as the president is lashing out at former fbi director andrew mccabe. following mccabe's explosive interview with "60 minutes." trump tweeting, "he was fired for lying and now his story gets even more deranged. he and rod rosenstein, who was hired by jeff sessions, another beauty, look like they were planning a very illegal act and got caught." there's a lot of explaining to do to the millions of people who had just elected a president who
they really liked. this was an illegal and treasonous insurance policy in full action." in the interview, mccabe described in detail discussions with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein about using the 25th amendment to potentially oust trump from office. >> rosenstein was actually openly talking about whether there was a majority of the cabinet who would vote to remove the president? >> that's correct. counting votes or possible votes. >> reporter: and possibly wearing a wire inside the white house to record conversations with the president. >> he said, i never get searched when i go into the white house, i could easily wear a recording device. they wouldn't know it was there. now, he was not joking. he was absolutely serious. >> reporter: the justice department firing back calling mccabe's account inaccurate, but not specifically denying the claim that the conversations occurred. the deputy attorney general never authorized any recordings that mr. mccabe references.
as previously stated, based on his personal dealings with the president, there's no basis to invoke the 25th amendment nor was the d.a.g. in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. all this prompting trump to retweet one fox commentator who called mccabe's account an illegal coup attempt on the president of the united states. trump adding, "true." mccabe says trump's public comments after firing comey were cause for investigating obstruction of justice. as well as trump's private pressure on deputy attorney general rod rosenstein to include the word, russia, in a memo justifying comey's firing. >> that concerned rod in the same way that it concerned me and the fbi investigators on the russia case. >> reporter: all this as activists converge on the white house to protest trump's national emergency declaration, to build a wall along the southern border. one senior white house adviser not ruling out that the president might use his first veto of his presidency to override congressional attempts
to stop the wall. and beyond the drama involving dan coats and andrew mccabe, the personnel trouble for this white house continued over the weekend. president trump's pick to be u.n. ambassador heather nauert, withdrew her name from consideration after questions about her background emerged. now, nauert's announcement of her position was announced before the white house could complete the vetting process and like a lot of president trump's previous nominees, she was forced to withdraw her name. sources are telling cnn that president trump is returning to the drawing board. searching for a permanent person to fill that important ambassadorship position. wolf. >> very important position, include, abby phillip, thank you very much. let's get more on all of this. including the breakdown of andrew mccabe's interview and the significance of his claims. our crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz is joining us right now. so, shimon, how far did these ideas get, supposed ideas that we're hearing from andrew mccabe
that the justice department should consider invoking the 25th amendment to the constitution to get rid of the president or to have the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein wear a wire to secretly record the president in the oval office? >> well, so, you know, when you look at what andrew mccabe certainly says, you can tell that he was taking it serious. it was something that he took back. he said to his leadership, to his general counsel, he talked to them about it. he said that rod brought it up twice. and that, to him, it did not appear, at least, that rod rosenstein was joking, and, you know, if you're taking it back to your leadership team, to your general counsel, then it's probably true that andrew mccabe thought that rod rosenstein was serious, and then andrew mccabe as well memorialized all of this in these memos that are now with the special counsel's office. so for him, it was something that he certainly took serious. the department of justice, while they're not denying certain things about this, they seem to say, well, this wasn't as
serious as andrew mccabe is making it out to be. obviously, they have a very different position on this. but for right now, we have not heard, really, from rod rosenstein. we've heard from representatives of rod rosenstein, but andrew mccabe says that this was a pretty serious idea. >> and we're learning more from mccabe also about that memo that rod rosenstein wrote recommending that james comey be fired. >> yeah. so this came up as well in the interview on "60 minutes," and what andrew mccabe says and was that in the memo, the president when rod rosenstein was crafting this memo about the comey firing, the president wanted rod rosenstein to put information in there about russia. and here's how andrew mccabe explained it. >> rod was concerned by his interactions with the president who seemed to be very focused on firing the director and saying things like, make sure you put russia in your memo.
that concerned rod in the same way that it concerned me and the fbi investigators on the russia case. >> what's not clear, really, wolf, in the end, is why did the president want russia mentioned in this memo? it could be that the president wanted to say that he was not being investigated, that comey had said he was not a target of the investigation. it could be for, you know, a whole host of reasons, but it is particularly interesting that rod rosenstein would have this conversation withly clear to me why he would do that. certainly having that conversation with rod rosenstein set off alarm bells in andrew mccabe's head. >> that's a fair point. another sensitive issue right now, roger stone had a post on social media about the federal judge in his case calling her, in his words, an obama-appointed judge who dismissed the benghazi charges against hillary clinton. would this be considered, this post, a violation of the gag
order that she imposed on him? >> yeah, you have to wonder, you know, we always talk about roger stone, but this has to be one of the dumbest things to do, especially coming on the heels of what the judge just issued the other day. this gag order. the idea that he's posting anything about this judge, whether it's him posting it, whether it's someone else, it's on his instagram page. the fact that he's essentially trying to fund raise for his defense by, you can say, attacking this judge, he said that she was an obama appointee. that she dismissed the benghazi charges against hillary clinton. and then he says, essentially, other things -- >> by the way, we're blurring her image, we don't want to give any publicity to this. >> right. the other thing if you look up there on the left, there appears to be cross hairs which i think could also be very concerning here. and it's all going to be in the end how the judge determines this. does she decide that she wants to bring roger stone in? roger stone after this posted took it down then reposted it
without the cross hairs then took it down. he issued a statement after it and he said that a photo of judge jackson posted on my instagram has been misinterpreted. this was a random photo taken from the internet. any reference that this was meant to somehow threaten the judge or disrespect the court is categorically false." obviously, roger stone after this was posted, someone got to him and said, hey, you better be careful. we'll see what the judge does here. remember, she has jailed paul manafort because of violations of certain things that she and gag orders and other things that she had said, she had issued. so this could get very interesting in the next few days. >> it wasn't just the cross hairs that the were on that picture. it was what he said about her. >> correct. >> this is a federal judge overseeing his case. >> that's right. >> he's attacking her. >> that's right. this does not make any sense. we know roger stone has wanted to be able to speak about his case. this is how he claims he's raising money. to attack the judge and raise any kind of issues, perhaps, this judge is going to be unfair toward him because of hillary clinton or something else,
obviously, he's trying to attack her. it could get ugly for him. >> yeah. could get ugly. could wind up in jail. >> that's exactly right. >> as he awaits a trial as well like manafort who's been in jail for a long time already. and he's going to be in jail for much longer. all right. thanks very much for all of thats, shimon. let's discuss all this and more, congressman john garamendi is joining us, democrat who serves on the arms services committee. thank you for joining us. what are your concerns if president trump were to decide to replace the director of national intelligence, dan coats? >> well, let's just start someplace else here. this is president's day. let's think about the presidents that we're honoring today and how they carried this nation forward and then this man, trump, and all of the things you just went through, it's an o-m-g moment. i think what we have here, the president is totally out of control. he doesn't want to listen to this intelligence community at all. he'd rather listen to putin. that was part of what was in the
mccabe interview. and it appears to be over and over again that he's more than willing to listen to putin and the russians than he is to his own intelligence people. it is an extraordinarily serious problem of national security when the president refuses to accept the information from the intelligence community. we just have to hope and pray that nothing serious is going to take place. i don't know. i just -- take a deep breath and pray because this man is totally out of control and putting our nation in serious jeopardy and we haven't even begun to talk about the constitution. >> listen to this, i'm going to play for you the clip. this is chris ruddy. a longtime friend of the president. he spent the weekend down in mar-a mar-a-lago with the president in palm beach and he was on with christiane amanpour of cnn earlier in the day and had this to say about the director of national intelligence, dan coats. >> there's a deep concern that
on the eve of the north korea to have your director of national intelligence in open hearings undercutting your position was very bad form. >> sounds like he was referring to the global threats hearing on capitol hill where the director of national intelligence testified that in that hearing, that north korea was unlikely to completely give up its nuclear weapons. is that undercutting the president, in your view? >> no. not at all. what it does is to give the president an extremely important leverage position and knowledge that he has to have going into a discussion. god knows what he's going to give away at that. there's talk that he may open formal relationships with north korea. while we're still at war with north korea. i mean, this man needs to start to slow down, listen carefully. if he's not willing to read, then at least listen to his advisers. not just to bolton but also to
his intelligence community that has a very good understanding of what is going on in north korea. it's a -- it is a major concern to me, and i'm sure to other members of congress and to anybody that's paying attention here in this nation, that this president is not willing to listen to people that have spent their life gathering information that is critical is the future of this nation. >> the fired acting fbi director, andrew mccabe b, also outlined reasons for opening up two investigations into president trump. >> right. >> after the firing of james comey. the fbi director. do you think that evidence was enough to justify his decision? >> i think so. particularly, when you consider the firing of comey then the following up of that interview, that very famous interview, when the president just flat-out said it's about this russia thing. and then inviting into the oval
office the foreign minister and the ambassador from russia and apparently telling them the same thing. all of this is of deep concern and certainly when you consider what mueller has actually found, the russians that have been indicted, the americans that have been indicted, found guilty, pled guilty. all of this, they're clere clea clearly was something going on. n not something. there clearly was within the trump campaign coordination and communication with russian assets. all of that is is now proven. was the president involved directly? well, we'll find out as the mueller investigation continues on. but there's no doubt that this -- that the trump campaign assisted by russia and we haven't spent much time talk bing about all of the other things that were going in on facebook. the trolls. all of those things were happening. was it coordinated? there's some indication it was
coordinated. what was that passing of critical information from the various surveys that were done? those are surveys that would allow russia to target specific areas of the nation for their troll factory. it is of deep, deep concern, and what's all this going to lead to? i don't know. but certainly, there is enough for the fbi to be deeply concerned way back at the beginning of this presidency and it hasn't become any less as the days and months have gone by. >> congressman, i want to quickly turn to the president's decision to declare a national emergency, to build his border wall with mexico. it looks like he is prepared to veto any joint resolution blocking his national emergency if congress were to pass such resolutions. do you think it would come to that, and if there is that veto, do you think it's veto-proof majority in the senate? i want to point out, your attorney general out in california is already threatening to file lawsuits to
prevent this national emergency from being implemented. >> well, certainly, the attorney general in california and i think 12 other attorney generals are going to file a lawsuit. they should. i' i've talked to xavier becerra about the underlying issues here. he'll go forward. we have to fight back here. this is a fundamental constitutional crisis at hand. the congress undertook a thorough, more than 12 months, of whether we should or should not build a border wall. they came. the house and the senate, democrats and republicans together, came to a conclusion that no massive border wall, $1.375 billion for repairing and expanding some border fences, that's what the congress decided and the president signed that law. now the president is going around congress, he's usurping the power of congress, using a national emergency declaration,
to do so, creating an imperial presidency. one in which he is usurping the power of congress, overriding article 1, section 9, of the constitution. using some old emergency law that was established years ago and was never, never used to override the will of congress, but rather to further the will of congress. this is fundamental. this is fundamental, wolf. we have to fight this out. good for the attorney general. good for xavier. good for us. we're going to go back and fight this out. i'm going to go right back into my committee and i'm going to find out what critical national security infrastructure is not going to be built as the vanity wall goes into place. >> congress -- >> wolf. >> congressman garamendi, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, will there be new instability for the u.s. intelligence community? we'll talk about the possibility that the director of national intelligence, dan coats, might be fired by the president.
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the president over the weekend. now he's suggesting to our own christiane amanpour that the director of national intelligence, dan coats, could soon be out of a job because he publicly during that testimony on global threats, that the united states faces, disagreed with what the president has been saying. >> you know, if i were dan coats, i would not buy any green bananas, metaphorically speaking. in my experience, chris ruddy is an extremely reliable guy to what donald trump is thinking. i've interviewed him many times for just that purpose. he does not make things up, and, you know, i -- it's maybe a good thing or it may be a bad thing, but my -- my belief is that if chris ruddy says dan coats is on his way out, dan coats is on his way out. >> he said he didn't get that from the president, himself, he got it from others around the president. that's what he's suggesting. he was at mar-a-lago having dinner with the president, as we
know and as we've reported. we've seen this movie, david swerdlick, before, all of a sudden, word comes out that the president isn't very happy with one of his national security appointees. >> yeah, that's right. i mean, many of the old rules of washington still apply. one of them that doesn't is that the president of the united states now has someone like chris ruddy, the head of newsmax, has his ear, a long-serving republican senator like senator coats, now dni, no longer has his ear on an issue like this. similarly, you had jeff sessions was a senator, well liked in his republican caucus. became attorney general. he was on the way out. i would not predict when dan coats will be out, but i would take chris ruddy's word that it's being considered. >> till eetillerson, general ma mcmaster. we've seen this unfold before. >> one by one, president trump is sort of weeding out the people who don't play the tune he wants them to. >> it's a significant, potentially very significant development. sara, the former sakting fbi director, andrew mccabe, who was fired, told "60 minutes" that
the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, he's still at least for now, the deputy attorney general, actually considered wearing a wire to secretly go into the white house and record what the president was saying and actually also, according to mccabe, discussed the possibility of invoking the 25th amendment to the constitution to remove the president from office. was any of this ever taken seriously? >> you know, i think it depends on who you ask. you know, when mccabe is doing these interviews and talking about it, he certainly came away with the impression that it was a serious discussion. but now what we're hearing from officials that are at the justice department as well as the spokesperson at the justice department, they're sort of saying, you know, some of this was said in jest, some wasn't said seriously. certainly, rod rosenstein never had any reason to believe the president should be removed by the 25th amendment, so he may be seeing a little l bit of damage control going on at the justice department right now or, you know, maybe mccabe read more into it at that time in that moment than what rod rosenstein was trying to convey. >> he tweeted this, susan, the
president, about mccabe's interview on "60 minutes," at least in part, he said this. "this was the illegal and treasonous insurance policy in full action." were those discussions that mccabe and rosenstein, according to mccabe, had, illegal and treasonous? >> they weren't illegal and treasonous. they weren't particularly good ideas which is why they didn't actually happen. i think we need to take ourselves back to what the situation the justice department and fbi officials were faciing n that moment. they were investigating russian election interference. they'd seen an absolutely disturbing, bizarre, number of contacts with the campaign of the individual who would become president. they're interviewing michael flynn for his contacts with russians and lies about those contacts. the president of the united states asked the fbi director to see his way to letting flynn go, which the fbi believes is potentially obstruction of justice. then the president actually fires the fbi director which they think might have been an effort to actually impede the
russia investigation. itself, a national security issue, right? sort of the obstruction is the collusion sort of theory. i think what we're seeing is they were panicked. they had never seen anything like that realfullrealfully in history of the united states. it goes to how overwhelmed they were in that moment. whenever they talk about the 25th amendment, none of the people in the room as reported have authority with regards to the 25th amendment. it's not different than any of us sitting around and talking about the 25th amendment, except in one way, these are people who are actually seeing the president up close in private, the way he is conducting himself. so, yes, it's shocking to hear that they were talking about this but it's not as shocking as the idea that they were concerned enough about the president's mental stability that they actually thought that this was a reasonable discussion to have. and that they thought that cabinet members might go along. i do think that is a pretty disturbing fact. >> i think the -- the correct term is not treasonous, but patriotic. i mean, they thinking about the national security of the united
states. these are all career officials. these are not democratic political appointees. these are people whose job it is to care about the national security about the united states and, remember, all this evidence has only gotten stronger over the past two years. you know, adam schiff is now conducting an investigation to determine, in effect, if the president is a russian asset. this remains a serious concern and there is much more evidence to support this idea. they didn't even know at the -- during 2016. all those discussions about trump tower and moscow, i mean, the idea that they were treasonous is 180 degrees wrong. >> you know, sara, on this other issue that eyou've been watchin very closely, the roger stone case. gag order of sorts. was imposed. all of a sudden, he posted this now deleted picture of the
federal judge in the case. we blurred her face. we don't want to give them a lot of publicity about this. they have some crosshairs as you can see in the background. what are you learning about this rather bizarre development that potentially could wind up getting this guy in jail as he awaits the trial? >> right, this is the first iteration of the post which criticized the judge overseeing his case and put up another version, just a photo of her without the cross hairs in the background again criticizing her. put both the photos down. put up another one with a statement, that was not supposed to be cross hairs, this is being misinterpreted, never meant any kind of threat toward the judge and now posted another instagram post that says that's just the logo of the website where they got this photo. it certainly wasn't a cross hair. you know, wolf, they have the saying in politics, when you're explaini explaining, you're losing and that certainly seems to be the case for roger stone. he's already in enough trouble with the court. the same judge that put paul manafort behind bars and mutt a
full gag order on his case. we'll see if she decides to move forward on doing something further with roger stone. obviously, we've heard no word from her. certainly not what you'd want your client to be doing in a case like this. >> yeah, that's an excellent point. everybody, stick around. there's much more on the breaking news right after this. d she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪
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of a sudden, the president took to fw twitter once again and posted this. his hatred of the mueller probe. i'll read it to our viewers. "the mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal, and rigged. should never have been allowed to begin. except for the collusion and many crimes committed by the democrats. which hunt." when i saw that, i said to myself, is the president bracing for a very damaging report from mueller in the coming weeks, let's say? it's expected to be released fairly soon. >> yes, that's certainly one possibility. you know, another possibility is that, you know, given the fact that he is the ultimate supervisor of the mueller investigation, that all these tweets have been evidence of, not all -- not in and of themselves, but evidence of obstruction of justice, themselves. i mean, that is how outside the norms they are. you know, we've seen so many tweets like this that we've become sort of enured to it but this man is in charge of that investigation.
and to call it an illegal investigation is not in and of itself, but could be part of a pattern of obstruction of justice, itself. he has 1st amendment rights. the president is allowed to attack whoever he wants. when he's in charge of an investigation of him, this is something beyond that. >> if it's illegal, in his view, he could shut it down. he doesn't want illegality to continue, right? >> that's the argument, and, you know, at this point, so many of us say, oh, it's just another tweet, that's just donald trump talking. he's the president. he's in charge of this investigation. and this kind of violation, at least of norms, may also be part of a violation of the law. >> you know, sara, let's get to another issue, some thunderous silence that greeted the vice president of the united states, mike pence. he was delivering a speech in europe before europeans. european leaders. on major national security issues. listen to this. >> i bring greetings from the 45th president of the united states of america, president donald trump.
the time has come for our european partners to stand with us and the iranian people. to stand with our allies and friends in the region. the time has come for our european partners to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal and join with us as we bring the economic and diplomatic pressure necessary to give the iranian people, the region, and the world, the peace, security, and freedom they deserve. >> all right. beyond the painfully awkward silence that greeted the vice president, does illustrate the tensions that currently exist between the u.s. and its closest european allies. >> oh, absolutely. i think we have seen president trump on the world stage and when he's back here in the u.s. as no problem sort of rubbing our european allies the wrong way. i don't know what kind of reception mike pence hoped he was going to be receiving in
that moment. i think it's made more awkward by the fact he does sort of seem to expect this kind of applause and adoration. when donald trump goes abroad, he knows at this point the europeans are not so happy with what he has to say. it does show how much distance this administration has put between themselves and these nations that we have long considered allies when it comes to foreign policy. >> very awkward, davis. >> it's awkward and it also just shows where vice president pence has gone. there was a time when he was in congress, he was a conservative i 's conservative. voted against t.a.r.p. was a strong critic of president obama during his first team. became the governor of indiana. conservative state. now he's here trying to get cheap applause for president trump. that's the trajectory of mike pence. >> how awkward was it? >> i think it's incredibly awkward but goes more toward the awkwardness of a particular clip, the extent we've degraded relationships with these allies and comes with very, very real security concerns. security concerns that extend
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on this presidents' day, many of the 2020 democrats out there on the campaign trail are trying to connect with voters in states that kick off the primary season. senator amy klobuchar is among them. she'll be taking questions at a cnn town hall event in new hampshire later tonight. our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is joining us from manchester, new hampshire, right now. jeff, klobuchar has a reputation as more of a moderate at a time when other democratic hopefuls seem to be tacking left. >> reporter: wolf, good evening. she certainly is drawing attention on the campaign trail for saying she wants to find common ground and work across the aisle with republicans. the question is whether there's a market for that audience in a
democratic party that's unmistakably moving left. that sound you hear on the campaign trail is democratic presidential candidates moving sharply to the left. from medicare for all -- >> health care is a fundamental right. and we will deliver that right with medicare for all. >> reporter: -- to a green new deal. >> creating a green economy should be the moon shot of this generation. >> reporter: -- to a new wealth tax. >> it is time to put a modest tax on the giant fortunes in this country. >> reporter: the wins winds of democratic primary blowing fiercely from the left, ideals creating early litmus tests and potentially setting up long-term political lands mines. it's hardly a new divide inside the democratic party. >> that revolution, our revolution, continues. >> reporter: it's taking on greater significance given the party's progressive shift and president trump is already trying to seize on that shift
and brand democrats as extreme. >> we renew our resolve that america will never be a socialist country. >> reporter: while most democrats resist that label, there's little doubt the energy of the party is coming from the left. whether it's alexandria ocasio cortez. >> we can ask for more because we deserve more. >> reporter: or democrats calling for the elimination of i.c.e. the dawn of the 2020 primary is raising a balance between pra e pragmatism and purity. like last week's vote to avoid a government shutdown. amy klobuchar, sherrod brown and bernie sanders supported the spending bill while cory booker, kamala harris, kirsten gillibrand, and elizabeth warren opposed it. klobuchar is selling herself as a pragmatic progressive. do you feel pressure to sign on to the latest liberal or progressive idea? >> i just look at each vote that we have and make a decision based on what i think we should
do. you know, we have the vote on the agreement on the border, and i voted for it because i thought, well, that's what i would do whether i was running for president or not. everyone makes their own decision, but you've got to be able to be yourself and not just try to be someone different than you've been. >> reporter: there is an appetite for moderation. a pew poll shows 53% of democrats and independents who lean that way prefer a more moderate direction for the party. while 40% favor a more liberal one. phyllis weeks is one democratic voter hoping the party takes the pragmatic route. you're not looking for perfection, you're looking for someone who can beat president trump. >> yes, and i don't like this idea of purity on the left. i never have. that the candidates have to be so pure. >> reporter: and that is the sentiment we hear over and over again from democrats, wolf. they say the top priority is defeating the president, putting a democrat back in the white house. of course, there's no agreement
on how to do that. it's what this campaign is all about. senator klobuchar will be taking questions here tonight on this stage behind me from our don lemon from new hampshire voters, wolf. she's of course new hampshire is far more blue so she'll be debuting her message here. other democrats waiting to get in. joe biden and bernie sanders. this race is coming together. >> jeff, thanks very much. jeff zeleny reporting. be sure to watch the cnn town hall event with amy klobuchar. it all begins tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern. just ahead as president trump heads to his second summit with kim jong-un will they take a step towards diplomatic relations? new exclusive information on that. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying
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tonight a top u.s. general is warning that isis remains a serious threat to the united states even at he's been visiting syria laying ground work for the withdrawal of the ground troops. he's the senior commander in the fight against isis. >> reporter: security was tight here in northern syria when general joseph votel arrived on
sight for meetings with the command an of the senior forces. the troops the u.s. has been backing in the fight to oust isis from this country. but general votel made clear in an exclusive interview with cnn that he still beliefs isis is a threat and a threat directly to the united states. >> at this point they could certainly inspire and, you know, perhaps, you know, provide, you know, some guidance in terms of that. i think we have to take it very, very seriously. they have demonstrated the ability to do this in the past so we should expect that they would maybe attempt do that in the future. >> reporter: they put together a proposal for up to 1,500 coalition, including u.s. troops to remain in syria to help the sdf. general votel making no promises saying the u.s. was looking to
how it could continue to help the sdf but making it absolutely clear u.s. ground forces, more than 200,000 of them will be coming out of this country, that that withdrawal is going take place. that is going to put the sdf in a difficult position. many people believe it will now have to join forces with the assad regime and that could end u.s. help for the sdf. general votel said he would be willing to see weapons to continue to flow to them, but if they join the regime, the u.s. does not do business with the regime and that business are the sdf will stop. barbara starr, cnn in northern syria. >> thank you. also cnn learned the united states. >> north korea are discussing a potentially very different step of building formal diplomatic
relations. this as president trump is days away from a second summit with the kim jong-un. michelle kosinski broke this news for us. tell us more. >> reporter: we have to see where it goes first, remember, north korea so far has taken no real steps towards denuclearization. there's widespread skepticism they ever intend do so. north korea says before it will do anything they're waiting for the to us take a significant step. what could possible come out of the next trump-kim summit? our sources are telling us this could be it. they're discussing exchanging diplomats. this would be nothing like opening a embassy, but these people would be considered liaison officers. they would open up offices in each other's countries. it's a first step towards diplomatic relations. it's a big deal when you consider where things are now.
this shows you how much this administration wants something to come out of the summit, but this was attempted in the 1980s. the just signed a lease on office space for just this purpose in pyongyang and then suddenly they pulled the plug on the whole thing. >> what would it take? >> we don't know. would this be enough for them to actually take steps towards denuclearization? before this could happen, what exactly is the u.s. looking for from north korea? are they asking them do something first? when we ask the question of the state department -- and we'll say, don't give us any details. just yes or no. where you asking for something from north korea first? they won't answer the question. that sure sounds like a no. if it is a no before a step like fwhld taken it is going draw more criticism over whether this is being pushed forward too
quickly. it would be a big step if it does happen. >> certainly would be. let's see what they decide at the end of the summit in hanoi. thanks for join us with that, michelle kosinski. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. "outfront" starts right now. president trump accuses his deputy attorney general of treasonous acts. illegal or just doing his job? roger stone attacks the judge in his case, posting a photo of her with crosshairs next to her head. what he's saying about the image. joe biden appears to answer the question so many are asking, will he or won't he run? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm kate bolduan in or erin burnett. tonight, treason or cautious deliberation? that's the question after president trump accused his own deputy attorney general of