tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN February 20, 2019 1:00pm-2:00pm PST
so it's time to restore america's soul, remind ourselves who we are. >> these comments came after sanders made a focal point and speaking on there you go aheads up from monday night. thanks for being with me. the lead with jake tapper starts now. brace yourselves. the mueller report is about to drop. the lead starts right now. breaking news, the attorney general prepared to announce as soon as next week. the special counsel russia investigation is done, what might the mueller report find and what will the public be allowed to see? bernie bringing in the cash. breaking a fundraising record. is every other worrying voters are still feeling the burn? plus nato forces cat fished. all it took was publish
information to manipulate them into disobeying orders. let's imagine what the russians might be able do. welcome to the lead. after almost two years we are learning it bha over as soon as next week. we are talking about the long awaited investigation by special counsel robert mueller and his team into possible conspiracy between russia and members of the trump team to interfere as well as any other possible related crimes. cnn has learned that the brand new attorney general preparing to announce the completion of the mueller report along with plans to submit a summary of the report to congress soon after according to sources familiar with barr's plans. this is the most significant indication that mueller is almost done with his
information. he was asked whether it should be released. he is a tremendous man that respects this country and respects the justice department. >> the timing could change. it's not clear what the attorney general will send to congress and what will be released to the public, if anything. we do know congressional democrats have over barr's refusal to guarantee he would release the entire report to congress insisting a summary and not the actual report will not be acceptable. it means i would could kick off a legal battle with democrats suing the department of justice. mueller took over the investigation in may 2017. since then his team filed 199
criminal counts against 37 people and company. sixov of them from trump world. manafort is awaiting sentencing. his deputy also pleaded guilty as did trump's former campaign adviser who did time in prison. former trump fixer will head to prison in may. former trf former trump national security adviser is awaiting sentencing. many of these individuals from trump world were charged with lying to the fbi or to congress about their contacts with russians which leads us to the questions we hope mueller will an answer starting with why. why all of the lying about contacts with the russians? was there any conspiracy between president trump, his campaign, administration and russia? did the president of the united states commit any crimes whether
conspiracy or obstruction of justice justice. are mueller's indictments done? was stone the last one? if so did he find suspicious activity that looks like conspiracy but he could not prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. we do not know if they will answer those questions or if they will let us know any of the details about them. we have seen some. >> that's right. wheeling out boxes from the office there have been signing in the courthouse this has been wrapping up. the grand jury he has been using to indict and investigate all of these charges has not been seen since january 24th.
that is when roger stone was indicted. it was the day before he was indicted. it was the last time we saw the grand jury. >> how much might we actually get to see? >> that will be the big big question as we get into the next few weeks. william bar has indicated he was going to stick close to the regulations telling members of the senate during his confirmation hearing that under current regulations mueller's report is supposed to be confidential. he went on and explained it even further. take a listen. >> the attorney general as i understand the rules would report to congress about the
conclusion of the investigation. i believe there may be discretion about what the attorney general would put in that report. >> so you would make a report to congress? >> yes. >> based on the report you received? >> yes. >> and william barr intends to stay close to the regulations in the investigation. we could not see a lot of what the mueller team has been working on. >> thank you so much. we should note the end of the mueller investigation does not mean the end of investigations of president trump and people around him. there is the investigation of the southern district of new york and women who had alleged affairs with him. let's talk with our experts about the mueller report.
attorney general barr said he wants to be as transparent as possible. he is actually not legally required to do so by the statute. do you think it will end up in front of the supreme court, congress, democrats suing doj to get the full mueller report? >> the regulation is oddly worded. there does appear to be a lot of discretion. classified information, after that there starts toob l be a lf play. what is related to ongoing investigations? what is effecting the rights of people who are not charged? if you wanted to take expansive viewsov views of those you could eliminate almost an entire report. this is obviously going to be an
extremely consequential decision that barr makes but i don't know how he is going to make it. >> you worked on the white water investigation. what do you make of the timing here? do you think that the mueller team was waiting to no longer be the acting attorney general before this? do you see anything into the timing here? >> it is difficult to speculate. a much smaller investigation. it seems that the timing is hopefully not rushed because it is very widespread in terms of potential financial crimes. the russian influence into the election. so it is puzzling to make any speculation about why now. and of course rosenstein has also ind caicated he will be transitioning. so it would seem to make sense
to keep him on board. >> we flknow that mueller has unfinished business. flynn is cooperating with special counsel's office. rick good faith gates has yet t sentenced. do you see it as a sign of mueller's office saying they have done everything they can find and it is up to the courts to prosecute? >> i think we are seeing the end here as far as it relates to the campaign itself. a lot of places have been carved out. if you go back it was trying to determine whether or not there was coordination or collusion between the campaign of donald trump and the russians. it will be his major focus. i think that parking lt of it i coming to a close.
as far as what we get to see, you flow, yknow, you mentioned t lose sight of the fact that these sources and methods are used in a number of different cases and counter intelligence operations that will go on and on and on unrelate today the american president. just because you may not see the full report does not mean there is something sinister there. the question will be whether or not dock has to give us the full report, sources and methods and they make the determination themselves of what they want to release. there will be a very intense debate over that fact. what do they get to see and what does the public get to see? >> we have seen democrats being accused of trying to move the goal posts of suggesting it's not what people are charged with, we need to see everything. maybe there was possible conspiracy but mueller didn't have enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. we need to see that as well. >> remember, department of justice policy is that the
president can't be indieltcted while he is in evidence. it seems to be very important to include in the report because there's no potential far court case there. the only thing you could do is report it to congress. the water gate special prosecutor turned over material relating to watergate because it relate today t related to the question of impeachment. there is reporting information to congress even though it is not specifically related to a criminal case. >> do you think mueller would do that or think it is a better part of valor? >> well, i think the question is what attorney general barr is going to do. we are there a weird situation where the justice department wouldn't disclose this information about ongoing or even closed up information.
if there were crimes they could prosecute them and i think they can't. the argument is the congress could say we need this information because the only constitutional mechanism available for accountability is the impeachment process. you don't need to prove crime beyond a reasonable doubt. if you were a private citizen it would bear potentially on impeachment as a matter of the constitution. >> i want to play a rather interesting comment. take a listen. >> we know that the president and others have lied about russian related matters. when we learn more i promise you this. >> tough to make that out. but what happened there is chris cuomo said it is true that the president and people around him lied. she said not me. i have no exposure.
>> if you look at that interview we have seen this evolution of people speaking on behalf of the president. they were asked about illegality. now they have evolved as the president told me x, y and z. so very much distancing themselves. i don't assume the chief falling into this category. what will be fascinating is what is mueller's center of gravity here? what does he decide is in the public interest? i was back to the hillary clinton case when i was inside the fbi. there are big differences here. in that case the question was does the public deserve to know something even if there is not a charge. it would be interesting to watch here what mueller does. >> thanks one and all.
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now revealing new details about the moment he briefed top congressional leaders about the counter intelligence probe into president trump. >> there were no objections. there were no protests. there was no -- you know, there was a clear sense in the room that people were resigned to the fact that we had taken a necessary step. >> the briefing was in may 2017 on the same day mueller was appointed. the so called gang of eight, the top leaders of congress from both parties, democrat and republican. >> any concerns from burror mcconnell, the republicans? >> no pushback whatsoever. >> the top democrat was in that briefing and talked about his concerns with jake on state of the union last month. >> i'm not going to talk about what we may have been briefed in
the gang of eight when these investigations opened, but i do think it's curious that throughout that whole summer when these investigations started you had putin policies almost being parroted by donald trump. >> he says one participant's presence made it almost certain the president himself would be filled in. >> it was my expectation it would be relayed back a partially. >> it was the house intelligence committee and touted the high ties to the white house. >> the president needs to know and i have a duty to tell him that. >> he was later exposed for doing the white house's bidding and trying to bolster the false claim that he had ordered an illegal wiretap at trump tower. >> i would be concerned if the i was the president. that's why i wanted him to know. >> responding to a statement
saying in part many of the stories he is telling on his book tour are transparentally self-serving. he said he and others at the justice department not only suspected the president could be working as a russian agent but mccabe still believes it's a possibility. >> do you believe the president could be a russian asset? >> i think it is possible. >> the president and white house officials have repeatedly discredited mccabe with the president calling him a disgraced man making a fool out of himself. the president has also called him a liar because of inspector general findings that he mislead about leaks to the media. mccabe is pulling bash calling it flawed and incomplete. >> thanks so much. let's talk about this with our experts. i want to drill down on the briefing that mccabe gave to the democrats and republicans and so called gang of eight. take a listen.
>> i walked through a fairly dedayed brief. >> right. >> there was resignation at the table. >> you were specific, we are investigating the president of the united states because we are concerned that there may be something amiss. >> do you think that it is accurate, the fact that -- does it suggest something? >> they were in fact colluding over something. it is investments in moscow rather than anything else. >> i totally disagree. it does not suggest that there
is evidence of collusion. that is like an enormous jump to make. i'm frankly glad they didn't push back. let the fbi do its job. >> i think most people sitting in that room probably at least on the republican side of the aisle which is my side of the aisle probably said no. he is probably not an asset. i think that's the role he played. he has been a mouthpiece for putin. i think governor deal is correct that when we follow the money trail i think we are going to find out that he was involved in some very shady deals but it's not going to come out with the release of the mueller report. i think it will take the southern district to dig down deeper into the trump organization and his own finances and family's finances to come up with that. >> you think almost he was like an unwhiting agent? >> i think he was manipulated. i think he wants a relationship with putin for a number of
reasons. he admires kim jong un. it is the most bizarre thing in the world. it is also because i think he has money interests. >> i think those are troubling but i'm glad that the fbi was given the latitude to investigate them and that the republicans in the room did not object. >> i think it's important to remember that this point in the process was he was briefing them on the fact that an investigation was beginning. he wasn't telling them what the conclusion of it was. we are learning what they were briefed on. >> in most normal congresses where people feel a sense of patriotism that exceeds their
president. at least he to protect their own electoral system. he was pushing back on bipartisan efforts to prevent the russians from doing more. >> what do you make of mccabe saying it is possible that trump is a russian asset. what do you make of that? >> i don't know what to make of a lot of things. he does have credibility issues. he is out on a book tour. he wants to tell books. you say things that make headlines. i would rather wait for not something he seays. >> i think he is an imperfect
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underway to replace dan cooks. moments ago president trump suggested she not giving any thought to such a thing. pamela brown explains what is going on behind the scenes as the white house begins the process of replacing the top intelligence chief. >> are you considering replacing dan coats as your director of national intelligence? >> i haven't even thought about it. >> despite publicly supporting the director of national intelligence white house officials have started discussions on replacing dan coats amidst concerns president trump may soon fire him. they say talks started this week after he spent the week venting to friends. >> i'm hearing from sources around the white house just general disappointment of the president with director coats. there is a feeling that maybe there needs to be a clahange of
leadership. >> they say trump is angry about recent congressional testimony that openly contradicted his own portrayal of the threat posed by north korea. >> we assess that north korea will seek to regain capabilities and unlikely to completely give up its nuclear weapons and production capabilities because its leaders ultimately view nuclear weapons as critical to ve sheem survival. . >> white house aids thought it had been resolved. >> did you talk ability the dispress ydi displeasure? >> i did. they said it was taken out of the context. >> as he heads to vietnam for a summit sources say he is concerned that coats's comments could undermine his message that it is strong enough to overcome his concerns. >> there is no nuclear testing.
no missiles going up. we have a good relationship. >> the frustrations going in both directions. >> the white house announced on twit their putin is coming to the white house in the fall! say that again. >> you putin coming -- >> did i hear? >> yeah. >> okay. that's going to be special. >> white house officials say they are preparing for coats' departure but caution they are not sure how long coats will remain at his job. >> white house officials say conversations about who could replace dan coats is in the early stages and the president may end up deciding not to do anything, not to fire him. as we know, jake, president trump has been known to taunt top officials in his administration and vent about
them and not do anything at all or not take immediate action. this is something that could take months, not weeks. >> thank you so much. we have seen in movie before. it ends with that person leaving the white house. >> he didn't say he wuasn't goig to get rid of dan coats he hadn't given thoughts who he would replace them with. i would be surprised to get it done much longer. >> he started venting where he publicly contradicted him on north korea's nuclear capabilities and willingness to get rid of them. how much of this is i don't like being questioned? >> i know that president trump has had disputes with his
intelligence officials that some times the things that they find are different than the world view he holds. he has been very public about saying they got it wrong. you can't always trust them. it is the stuff that keeps it up at night. it is trying do the right thing. i don't like the idea of saying well, they have come to conclusions they don't like. i think the most justifiable reasons for parting ways might be that clip from the security forum you showed where he sort of publicly is exs a per rated. that's what my internal monologue would have looked like. maybe that's the way to getting that kind of news publicly. i think publicly contradicting white house policy will put you in a tough position for sure. i hope they are allowed to do their jobs and get accurate information to give to the president. >> you were somebody when you
were running for president you publicly questioned the u.s. intelligence community and you were correct about it in iraq. is there a difference between the criticism and skepticism you have? >> i actually think that the intelligence community knew there were no weapons of mass destruction and it was not conveyed to president bush or he chose to ignore it. the reason i came to the conclusion, i'm where health care healthcarehillary clinton . we were lie today by two consecutive presidents. i read the british papers. he was trying to hint. this brits were saying so.
they flew very well it is just as trump try to pressure people that try to do their job in this intelligence community. >> there is a tension there that can be healthy. >> absolutely. they are presenting the information they have access to and some toiimes they don't hava full picture. i think one of the differences here is that the context is that president trump is about to go to a summit with kim jong un that he needs to be a big success or a big win. this is a director of national intelligence that contradicted plans that they are denuclearizing. he needs this political win. he is looking at his director of
national intelligence and saying i need you to do what i said they are doing. >> speakingov of summits take a listen to this moment when the president seem today side with putin over u.s. intelligence. >> dan coats came to me and others said they think it is russia. i think president putin. he said it's not russia. >> i mean that's an american president sizing whether or not russia attacked the united states and seeming to give equal weight. >> and putinhas also told him he doesn't have to worry about ballistic missiles that kim jong un can't build them. so these are very troubling. the question is not whether or not you have other sources of information which may differ.
he gets his information from fox and friends and, you know, all sorts of other places that have frankly no real bearing on this and have nothing to offer. so that's what is scary. >> all right. stick around. he announced his run for the presidency yesterday. sanders already leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. stay with us. (vo) we're carvana,
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those are all good numbers. the thing is 99.9% of people know who you are. they are most excited now about him running. so he may have a low floor. he also may have -- a high floor but also may have a low ceiling. there are all of these others running now. women, african americans who will take a chunk out of the bernie sanders pool i suspect. >> they may. they may not. >> they may. >> now progressives can look out there and see she supports medicare for all. there are a bunch of people not just bernie sanders.
>> he has 100% name recognition. everybody loves him. he has a very sympathetic personal story. >> so if president trump of course welcomed sanders into the race today. he tweeted he entered the race. i wish him well. what is crazy is we have a president that is a racist and a fraud. we are going to -- howard dean laughing there. >> flog surprises me about that except maybe that crazy bernie, it's not his best that he has given. >> i think his branding is falling off. >> i think he can step it up and get that there. >> one thing that we should be concerned about with regards to someone like a bernie or
somebody that has done well. the ability to peel off some of the democrat union-type folks that gravitated towards him. he is wise to view somebody as being a threat we to them for 2020. it is why he thinks the party should not nominate. that's not what the american people wanted. >> it might be what the democratic party voters want. a poll shows app% of democrats it is very sad and it strikes fear into my strike sba her
heart. >> sheer what happened. sit so young people and people of color. that's our core base. so it is in trouble even capitalists agree something has to be done. we don't get any of the votes of people that are alarmed by socialism. it is concentrated among the very young growing up in sort of a post berlin wall area. it is thinking about the that is
today. that is not 50 years ago. that's contemporary. socialism is not the race place. of course demt cai would be int if you delved further into it. i think also young voters to go vote. if we look at 2018 it wasn't some crazy surge of young voters bringing democrats. it is to go after for 2020 if we are going to win.
>> and maduro is an authoritarian. so i think sit a bizarre debate about socialism. >> would love to have free education and not have to take all of those steps. i think that's the problem. i think that's right. when it comes time to voting you count on these kids to show up at rallies and tweet and everything. >> stick around. a town hall with presidential candidate for sanders of vermont. blitzer will host a live event. stay with us.
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through facebook and instagram accounts they identified individuals. then through impersonation pretending to be a friendly group or real person promising roman take or erotic contacts, fake clothes groups and more they enticed them to share information about the exact locations, their plans and objectives. the researchers enticed them to share information about their plans and objectives. researchers collected posted photos of equipment and tapped into personal data too. sure some social media companies have stepped up their privacy managers and facebook shut down some of the tricks the researchers tried. >> you can choose not to control exactly who sees it. >> the report notes massive amounts can be shared involuntarily by anyone carrying a smart phone. troops likes, dislikes,
activities. it's not all just theory. analysts say in ukraine russia used social media to track troop movement. in iraq isis used it to monitor american troops. >> you have young soldiers who are used to being online all of the time. you're giving up a wealth of information. >> military forces around the world including the u.s. have talked about banning cell phones precisely because of its danger. so far many found the advantages of keeping troops connected with each other have outweighed the risks. >> so far until the first time. it grows and grows. >> yeah. >> the study is terrifying.
>> thank you so much. you can follow me on facebook and twitter. tweet the show at the lead cnn. our coverage continues right now. thank you so much for watching. breaking news, ready to report, cnn learned after almost two years the justice department and new attorney general are preparing to receive the findings of special counsel's robert mueller's investigation. trump's first draft, the former acting fbi director revealed he has seen a letter president trump himself wrote justifying the firingov of come. putin's new threat, putin warns if washington