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and then the trump-kim summit, russia's nuclear arsenal and donald trump's border wall. we'll talk about all that and more with an all-star foreign policy panel. and what do the ex-tension of a wreck, a mashive hole and america's recent polar vortex have in common, they're all believed to be related to climate change. my guest says it really is time to panic. but first here's my take. it's refreshing to see the democratic party bubbling with now ideas. but its new thinking seems starkly different from the party's reform effort of it past three decades. the wonky proposals of the clinton obama era were pragmatic and today we have big dramatic stirring ideas, and that could
be the problem. democrats are spinning out dramatic proposals indeed but in which facts are sometimes misrepresented, the numbers sometimes don't add up and emotional appeal seems to trump actual analysis. when cortez was confronted recently by anderson about a egregious mistake about pentagon spending she responded. >> i think there's a lot more people concerned about precisely factually correct than about being morally right. >> perhaps this casual attitude towards facts explains the wii she and many others on the left have misrepresented the deal new york offered amazon to bring new headquarters there. >> if we're billing to give away
$3 billion in this deal, we could invest this ourselves if we want to. hire out more teachers. >> but as mayor bill de blasio explained. >> this was a deal going to bring $27 billion in revenue to the state and city. and that $3 billion going back in tax incentives was only after we were getting the jobs. >> or consider the race by prominent democrats to embrace medicare for all. a variety of studies have estimated the total increase in government spending between $2.5 and $3 trillion a year. few of the proposals being floated would likely raise close to that in revenue. and if an effort were made there would be few avenues left to fund any of the other ambitious proposals on the new democratic
wish list. let me be clear, universityal health care is an important moral goal. but getting from here to single player would probably be so disruptive and expensive that it's not just going to happen. now, there is a path to universal coverage that is simpler. switzerland has one of the best health care systems in the world, and it is essentially obamacare with a real mandate. but that probably feels too much like those incremental policies of the past. or consider the tax proposals being tossed around on the left where including a wealth tax championed by lith beth warren. i understand the appeal of tapping into those vast accumulations of billionaire loot. but there is a reason 9 of the 12 countries that instituted similar taxes have repealed them in the last 25 years. they massive lay distort economic activity.
raise the capital gain state tax, and get rid of the loopholes that make the american tax code one of the most complex and corrupt in the world. but again this is less stirring stuff than burning the billionaires. the comments on "60 minutes" reminded me of the july 2016 exchange between newt gingrich and cnn. >> they're not a liberal organization. >> people feel more threatened. >> they feel it, but the facts don't support it. >> as a political candidate i'll go with how people feel. >> we already have one major political party that now routinely twists facts, disregards evidence, and makes stuff up to appeal to people's
emotions and prejudices. if the democrats start moving along this path as well, american politics will truly descend into a new dark age. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "the washington post" article this week. let's get started. #. the weeks long standoff over the presidency of venezuela has become a physical stand off and a deadly one at that. yesterday played out at the columbian border asthma dureo's troops prevented aid from coming in. at least five people were killed in the clashes that ensued between the two sides. 285 people were injured according to the columbian
foreign ministry when venezuela fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters. as for the u.s. response secretary of state mike pompeo called maduro a sick tyrant for blocking the aid deliveries. tomorrow vice president pence will meet with guaido in columbia. joining me now is guaido's envoy to the united states. let me ask you, is the bulk of the aid getting through the columbian border, and why is it not getting through the brazilian border since both the columbian government and brazilian government back mr. guaido and are harsh critics of the current president -- of nicolas maduro? >> well, thank you fareed, for this opportunity. let me tell you the following. i have seen human right abuses since this regime took power particularly since 2014. but yesterday was a tragedy, a crime against humanity.
what we saw yesterday was a regime killing innocent people trying to bring food and medicine to our country. so therefore, maduro is not only creating the human crisis in venezuela but also blocking the susolution of the humanitarian crisis of venezuela, and that has to be rejected by the entire community. >> again, why is it not getting through from brazil but from columbia? >> as you know yesterday three trucks reached our bridge in venezuela and all of them were burnt by the regime. so unfortunately, the food and medicine couldn't reach. the people that need that food and medicine. and that's why we decided to just stop the humanitarian aid. the humanitarian aid will remain
in brazil and columbia, and we need to discuss with the columbian and brazilian authorities the path to come in the next day. so we will preserve that humanitarian aid, and then we will work together on when that humanitarian aid will enter our country. >> your boss, juan guaido has called on the army to get on the right side of history. so far thehermy has not listened to him. it is still backing maduro. what would it take to get the army to flip? >> well, fareed, we need to keep the pressure in different levels. on the streets, using our national assembly as the only elected institution in venezuela and also put pressure on the international community. six forces of the military institutions decided to support guaido. and many of them are saying inside the military there's a
huge discontent. so we need to the crease the pressure and force the military to back what we are trying to achieve which is democracy. >> president maduro routinely in every rally -- he danced the salsa yesterday -- he says guaido is backed by trump, is trump's puppet. you guys, the venezuelan people should stay with me. he said that at that salsa dance. how much is that working? in other words, how effective is it for maduro to tell people it's the americans who want guaido and we are improving venezuelan nationalism? >> well, i mean, the only puppet is maduro. he's a cuban puppet. that's the reality. this is venezuelan movement led by the people of venezuela under the leadership of juan guaido as
an interim president. they are putting their life at risk, as you saw yesterday in order to recover our democracy. and what we have seen is a fight between democracy and dictatorship, and the free world is supporting our movement, and we need to see it in that way. we are not a problem of nationality. this is again a fight between democracy and dictatorship, and this is clear venezuela movement led by venezuela with a clear agenda set by venezuelans. and i feel so proud to be a venezuelan and to be a latino because the cost of democracy in this hemisphere is taking place in venezuela due to the colonel of the venezuelans. >> let me ask you finally and briefly, donald trump says all options are on the table, implying that there is a military option that the united states could use. do you welcome that kind of rhetoric, or do you want to make
it clear that the united states should not use any military force in this issue? >> again, this is not a fight between the united states and the maduro regime. this is fight between the free world against the maduro regime. and keep in mind, we are dealing with a criminal state. they have been involved in drug trafficking, money laundering, human rights abuses -- >> do you think the united states should keep military options on the table? >> under the principle of responsibility to protect, which was approved by the u.n. we cannot allow that a regime kills his own people. and we have under the principle of the u.n. the responsibility to protect a population that's under fire from his own regime. >> thank you so much for joining us. next on gps, president
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relations. steven hadly was george w. bush's national security advisor. and susan glasser, a long time foreign correspondent and editor is now staff writer at "the new yorker" and a cnn global affairs analyst. steven, let me start with you. that rhetoric struck me. it felt very much like the cold war. what did you make of it? >> well, you know, this a combination of where russia has been in process of the violation of the inf treaty but has somehow skillfully put the united states in a dilemma. do you go ahead and stay in a treaty where the other party is violating it consistently or do you accept in some sense the pulling out? i think the trump administration
has basically bow today the i t inevitable and they've decided to pull out. >> does this worry you? do you feel there's a lot of nuclear tension in the air? >> we all met at the security conference last weekend, and this was very much talked about. the european hope, of course, is that the next few months will be used to go back to the negotiating table one way or the other and try to see if there's some sort of solution that can be achieved. putin is not talking developing very new weapons, and that's bad and strikes. at the same time he said if the u.s. doesn't deploy anything in europe, he'll not deploy anything new in europe. perhaps one should take his word and see if one can negotiate
something that avoids a new nuclear race over the continent of europe. >> susan glasser, you have a foreign correspondent in moskow i think when george w. bush, steve hadly really, withdrew from the abm treaty for similar kinds of reasons. do you think that there is a plan here that the trump administration has? because there's a plausible case to be made that, you know, these treaties need to cover the new nuclear powers like china. and maybe that this is a way to go forward. or is this just an active peak? >> this is a legacy we have of a cold war that is three decades in our past, on the one hand. on the other habd i'm struck by the fact that right now carl talked about the possibility of negotiations but i didn't come out of munich feeling there were any imminent plans to do so,
first of all. essentially it's easier to blow up agreements than it is to make agreements, especially with this particular american president. you know, it is an interesting fact of arms control that the russians and soviets before them have always been very invested in some ways, as seeing this first of all as confirmation of their power status. vladimir putin is eager to appear on the world stage as someone the united states needs to sit down and negotiate with. >> speaking with people who enjoy being on the world stage, steve hadly, we are in for a new tru trump-kim jong-un summit. do you worry that the president is so eager to get that nobel peace prize that shinzo abe has already nominated him for that he might cut a deal that isn't in america's interest? >> no, i'm not worried about that. he has given the lead on this to
secretary pompeo. steve beingen, who is the special envoy for secretary pompeo is working this issue, a very seasoned person. and we know john bolton is very skeptical of the whole proposition of negotiating. so i think in some sense there's a healthy and dynamic tension within the president's national security team. i think they're going to try to make some progress. i think they're probably going to try to work somewhat incrementally, a step for step. at this time, that may be the best approach. but i think this is different approach from the president. it's much more a top down meeting with the leaders. i think, though, since the bottom up approaches of two prior administrations have failed, we are going to give this one the benefit of the doubt and see what they can come up with. >> susan glasser, trump does seem particularly fascinated by kim jong-un. >> indeed he does.
one of the most extraordinary developments of the last couple of years is watching the president of the yoounsz, a great democracy, fall in love with the dictator of north korea. he calls him chairman kim. when visitors come to president trump's office he literally calls out as he did at that interview with "the new york times" a couple of weeks ago, bring the letters, bring the letters, let me show you the letters from kim jong-un, which are essentially a bunch of boilerpla boilerplate flowery generic phrases. but the deep unease the president's own advisers on foreign policy have about the president's approach to handling one of the most significant security challenges in the world today, it's something that is a marker of this moment, right? it's both crazy and yet completely not surprising at this moment, that, you know, we're going into a summit with
north korea and the stories are about the president's own team not being happy with the strategy. >> don't go away. next on "gps," the sentiment at last week's munich conference was pretty tough on donald trump. europe isn't united on much these days but it seems to have found common cause in concern over trump and his policies. at the same time a movement was revealed there in munich to reaffirm democracy around the world. what does it mean? will it work? we'll talk about that when we come back. was ahead of its tim. still, we never stopped making it stronger. faster. smarter. because to be the best, is to never ever stop making it better. introducing the new c-class. lease the c 300 sedan for $429 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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the rise of authoritarianism and extremism around the world has meant increasing attacks on democracy. that sentiment was at the heart of a declaration made by a high powered group at last weekend's munich security conference. this declaration for freedom, prosperity and peace called for reafarimation of the rule of law, free and fair election, free markets and other key freedoms that have ruled much of the world since the end of world
war ii. the co chairs of this was madren allright, and two of my guests karl billt and steven hadly. carl, what the point of a declaration like this? it feels as though it's certainly not going to move vladimir putin or xi jinping or erdogan. you know, there is this struggling trend you point out. but you think this is best dealt by people declarations? >> i don't think it's going to move people initially. but going back to why did we do this, it was 70 years ago, a long time ago immediately after two devastating global
conflicts. that has been losing strength, that has been losing a certain amount of -- a lot of people don't remember how it was. so we have found first a need to reaffirm, see what is relevant today and secondly to reach out. those principles were sort of formed and set down in what was essentially a dominating world. we now have a much larger world. we were keen to look at the possibilities of writing something thereat would resonate all over the world, eniran, indonesia and japan and eventually see if it's possible, we could also have it resonate in some of the countries that you alluded to. >> steve hadly, the problem a lot of people say is that the united states have lost faith in this liberal world order.
it is retreating from core principles like free trade. the trump administration does not seem particularly interested in promoting human rights or democracy abroad. in fact, trump seems to have a greater fascination with strong men. it's at the core, there's a loss of faith in the mission. >> there's a lot of concern about that reflected in munich in statements about the administration. but remember, i think, the trump election was about reflection as it was as much of a cause. we have seen in populations in democratic states, a crisis of confidence, a questionings of whether democratic principles and free markets are really the proper foundation for societies. and that frustration and disaffection was reflected in the brexit vote, anti-trade in some sense, anti-eu and the
disaffection with globalization here in the united states. so in some sense we have a crisis of confidence within our democratic societies about our commitment to democratic systems and principles. and as madeleine said, it's time for us to renew our vows to those principles, to update them, to reflect the new context in which we are operating, which is what we tried to do in this document. and then mount a campaign to reach out to our citizens to explain these principles. why they make sense as a foundation for societies that can better deliver for their people and states that can live together in peace, and that's the campaign we're going to try to kick off having rolled out these principles at munich. >> susan glasser, i come back to this issue which it does feel like the trump administration embodies some of the problems that people are talking about. you've been writing a lot for
"the new yorker" about trump and the way in which he occupies the presidency. i was very struck by a piece you wrote about trump and the republicans in which you said the republicans have finally arrived at the one strategy in which they can agree on as to how to handle donald trump. and charles grassly, the senator from iowa, expressed it very susinktally, which is to pray. can you elaborate on that? >> it was actually a little more than a week ago, remember our great national shutdown croesus, it literally was down to the wire whether the president was going to sign the bill that democrats and republicans had agreed upon essentially to milwaukee up a spending deal and make sure there wasn't a second government shutdown after the 35-day government shutdown. and here chuck grassly is presiding over the senate, there's hours to go and they've
reached this consensus, and they don't even know what the president is going to do. he said we should all pray. and of course what happens then is just as revealing as senator grassly's own statement, which the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, apparently got word that the president was not committed to the agreement his party had reached and once again was threatening to blow it up. and so mitch mcconnell had to call back and forth very anxiously and essentially concede to do something he had already publicly warned the president against, said it was a bad idea. he base was forced to go around congress and subvert the congressional powers which are the foundation of mitch mcconnell's entire public philosophy. i think the last couple of years has been difficult for republicans as they're faced with a constant series to their
principles -- steve hadler putting out free trade, nationalism, those have been at the bedrock of republican ort doxy. and over and over republican officials are forced to confront this contradiction between the principles they say they support and have for a long time and the leadership of their own party, the president. and, you know, i think that's the moment that we're in right now. >> well, i think clearly the republicans need to pray harder. thank you all. fascinating conversation. next on "gps," we will bring you to the region of the world that is getting religion and seeing a backlash as a result from all kinds of human recognizes including gay rights. i'll tell you about it when i come back. all the cashbackve and security features, but i'm not going to pay an annual fee. i'm just not going to do it! okay. okay? discover has no annual fee on any of our cards.
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being made in another part of latin america. right now cubans are voting in a referendum expected to usher in a new constitution. the document contains plenty of good reforms including the right to private poverty finally, but there is one conspicuous absence. lawmakers abandoned lack wj that would have unequivocally opened up a match to legalize same sex marriage. that was met ardently with evangelical christians. in 2014 that proportion had grown to 19%. in "the new york times" the political scientist javier writes politically evangelicals and latin-americans -- the
growth of evangelical churches has awakened a cultural war in the region. nowhere is this more dumeinant than in brazil. in hiss first dace e day in office he reviewed lbt issues from the purview. "the washington post" notes that his supporters are advocating a bill that would require people to use bathrooms according to their biological sex. some of ohis supporters want to ban any progressive language about gender and sexuality from classrooms. and religion is mixing with politics beyond brazil. evangelicals in argentina along with catholics mobilized. even mexico's president came to power with a coalition including a small evangelical party that explicitly opposes abortion and
same sex marriage. what makes this culture war so note worthy is the fact that much of latin america has had an extraordinary liberal tradition when it comes to gay rights. as discussed in "the new york times" op-ed that is owed to the fact that many constitutions in the region are relatively recent, forged in the last few decades often in the wake of dictatorship. in that history they often stress human rights and some even offer explicit protections for gays. in many cases courts and legislators have followed suit. argentina legalized same sex marriage in 2010, which is five years before the u.s. supreme court did. gay marriage is also legal in brazil, uruguay, columbia and several states. what we're seeing is a new beginning of politics in latin america says shannon o'neil on foreign relations. but this politics rooted not in
ethnicity but evangelical christenty, and it could derail one of the great narratives of progress in the developing world. next on gps, concern about climate change appears to be rising, but my next guest says it is not enough. we need to panic. find out why when we come back. don't forget if you miss a show go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.
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>> the demonization of carbon diox aid is joous like the demonization of the poor jews under hitler. >> yes, you heard that right. of course it fits perfectly a pattern of administration actions and presidential tweets. donald trump is not worried about climate change. well, my next guest is. and he's very worried. david wallace wells is the climate columnist for the new york magazine and author of the new book, uninhabitable earth. so david what makes you so worried now? it feels like there's an urgency to what you're writing. >> we're headed for some really bleak outcomes. if we don't change course on fossil fuels by the emd of the century we'll get about 4 degrees of warming, which is double all the wealth that existess in the world today. the yun says it would be hundreds of millions of climate
refugees, twice as much war a as we see today because there's a relationship between temperature and conflict. that happens at the national level and also at the individual level. so rates of murder will go up. it has an impact on public health because mosquitos will be flying ever farther. it threatens to change just about every aspect of modern life as we know it and we have within our power to change that course and pull up short of 4 degrees, but we've done so little it makes me worried we won't do enough in time to avert some of these catastrophic impacts. >> the problem is, you know, that it's -- the costs are very long-term for, you know, not doing something. and the pain is very short-term for doing something, carbon taxes, massive shift in your
lifestyle, things like that. so at the end of the day people just don't worry about stuff that's so far in the future. >> well, i think we're beginning to learn it's right with us. the wildfires are a very vivid example of that. it made a lot of people feel like climate threat was right around the corner. and i think this is bag briig b through. we're starting to think about it in the time scale of decades. nearly half of the burning of fosfuels has come in the last 25 years. it's since the premier of si seinfeld. 25 years ago we were in a stable climate and the damage we've done in just the 25 years has brought us there. on the question of long-term impacts versus short-term impacts i think you're right this was one way climate change was conceived for a very long
time. saving ourselves from devastating impacts would be very expensive, and that while climate change promised humanitarian costs if you added up the dollars and cents the total really wasn't that much. but all the economic research in the last few years really reversed that subject. it was a study last year it would add $26 trillion to the economy. that's an incredibly fast pay off really when you think about it. if we could avoid those impacts obviously we would to. >> he's very kernd about it, but he says is you have no idea the scale of change that has to take place because people just think about fossil fuels, coal for electricity. but 20%, 30% of it is agriculture, cows, the methane being released at both ends, the
mouth and other side. which means essentially going to a much more vegetarian plant based diet. this seems unimaginably hard. >> well, there are other solutions to it. for instance, lab grown meat has no carbon footprint, and there's been small trials if you feed cattle seaweed it reduces their emissions. and i think even more than how much you and i are willing to change our diets the question is what the growing middle class in china in particular will be, and really ultimately the future of the planet's climate will be determined by china and its path of development. as much as we think in the u.s. our patterns of behavior are important, which they are, china already has the biggest carbon footprint in the world. they're going to be determining the carbon footprint of the future. >> what do you think about the
united states? donald trump as you say has stepped back dramatically from any kind of leadership position. can the governors and mayors fill that gap? i always worry that sounds good, but at the end of the day you do need the federal government if you want the whole country involved. >> the community level, the state level, the national level and the international level. that to me is important because even if we get our policy makers to really focus on issues on climate, which i really think this economic research will make them focus, there needs to be a system that makes sure everybody honors their commitments. paris was an effort to do that, but no major industrial nation is unchecked under those commitments. and even if they did, we'd be on chapter three of global warming, it would mean hundreds of millions of climate refugee, our agricultural yields would be 30%
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earlier this week. in response to a string of anti-semitic attacks tens of thousands protests in the streets. the french minister of interior said anti-semitic incidents were up a staggering 74% last year. in britain a group of mps resigned from the labor party citing among other things the party's mishandling of anti-jewish sentiments within its ranks. a u.k. charity that tracks anti-semitism reported a new record for last year. more than 100 anti-jewish instances in a month. and anti-semitic incidents are also on the rise in germany. the newspaper reports that physical attacks were up 60% in 2018. continent widetropes are commonly held views, a repeat cnn poll said a third of europeans found jews used the holocaust to advance their own
positions or goals and about a quarter believe jews have too much influence in finance or conflicts in wars around the world. perhaps more frighteningly a third of the respondents said they knew just a little or nothing at all about the holocaust. this is new problem and it is getting worse. thank to all of you for being parlts part of my program this week. i will see you next week. it's time for reliable sources, our weekly look at the story behind the story. how the media really works and how the news gets made and how all of us can make it a bit better. this hour, jussie smollett fights the perfect storm of politics and pop culture. also one-on-one, the media omogul talks facebook regulation and his concern about dems in 2020. and a new hire here