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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. coming to you live from new york i'm fareed zakaria. the showdown in venezuela. how will this all end? >> the eyes of the entire world are upon you. >> representative to washington. then the trump-kim summit, the nuclear arsenal and donald
trump's border wall. we'll talk about all of that and more with an all star foreign policy panel. and what do the extension of an australia rat and america's recent polar vortex have in common? they are all believed to be related to climate. they mixed market incentives. today we are big dramatic ideas and that could be the problem.
>> when cortez was confronted by anderson cooper on 60 minutes about an outrageous misstatement about pentagon spending she responded. >> i think there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely factually and she manically correct. >> perhaps this casual attitude explains the way that she and many others have misrepresented the deal that new york offered amazon to bring new headquarters there. >> we are willing to give away $3 billion for this deal we could invest in our district ourselves if we wanted to. we could hire out more teachers.
we could put a lot of people to work if we wanted to. >> as we explained it was a deal. >> it would bring $27 billion in revenue to the state and city for things like public education and mass transit. it is only after we were getting the jobs. >> there's not $3 billion. >> exactly. >> well, consider the race by prominent democrats to embrace medicare for all. they have estimated the total increased government spending would be between two and a half to $3 million a year. it would likely raise anything close to that in revenue. there would be few easy avenue shlgs left to fund any of the am bi
ambitious proposals. it is an important political goal. the system is insanely complex. it would be so disruptive that it's not going to happen. there is a path to universal coverage that is simpler. switzerland has one of the best health care systems in the world. it is obamacare with a real mandate. that probably feels too much like those policies of the past. consider the tax proposals being tossed around on the left uncolludingu including a wealth tax. there is a reason that nine of the 12 european countries that inis it true constituted similar taxes have repealed them. they destroyed economic activity incentivizing people to devalue them and create dummy corporations. there are smarter ways to addressing equality.
it is to increase the estate tax. get rid of the massive loopholes that make the american tax code one of the most complex and corrupt in the world. again, this is less stirring stuff than burning the billionaires. comments on 60 minutes reminded me of what july 2016 exchange between gingrich. i'll let you go. >> we already have one major political party that routinely twists facts that disregards evidence and ignores serious policy and makes stuff up to appeal to peoples emotions and prejudices. if the democrats start moving along this path as well american
politics will truly descend into a new dark age. let's get started. >> the weeks long standoff has become a physical standoff and deadly one at that. troops prevented aid from coming in. they declared that the deadline for getting a backlog was there. they say at least five people were killed in the classes that ensued. 285 people were injured when venezuela fired tear gas at p
protesters. let me ask you, is the bulk of the aid getting through the column bee yan worder and why is it not since they backed him and are harsh critics of the current president of maduro? >> thank you for this opportunity. just let me tell you the following. i have seen human rights abuses since this took power particularly since 2014. yesterday was a train wreck. what we saw yesterday was a regime killing innocent people trying to bring food and
medicine to our country. maduro is not only creating the human italian crisis it is blocking the solution and that has to be rejected by the entire international community. why is it not getting through? >> you know, all of them were burned by the regime. it is for the people that need food or medicine. that is why we decided to stop the humanitarian aid and then we need to discuss with column bee
force back what we want to achieve which is recovery of our democracy. >> president maduro routinely in every rally he danced the salsa yesterday. he says it is backed by trump. is trump's puppet? you guys should stay with me. he said that at this salsa dance. how much is that working? how effective is it for maduro to say it is the americans that want and we are preserving nationalism? >> the only puppet is in maduro. that is the reality. this is a venz whezuelan. they are putting their life at risk as you saw yesterday in order to recover our democracy. what we have seen is a fight
between democracy and dictator ship and the free world is supporting our movement and we need to see it in that way. this is not a problem of idealology. this is not a problem of nationality. this is again, a fight between democracy and dictator ship. it is a clear movement lead by venezuela with a clear agenda. what we are getting is the support of the international community. i feel so proud to be a latino. the cost of democracy is taking place in venezuela due to the courage of the venezuelans. >> let me ask you, donald trump says all options are on the table implying there is a military option that the united states could use. do you welcome that kind of rhetoric or do you want to make it clear that the kbrieunited s should not use any military force in this issue?
>> again, this is not a fight between united states. keep this in mind, we are dealing with a criminal estate. >> we have under the principal, the responsibility to protect a population. he is under fire for his own regime. >> thank you much for joining us. >> thank you. next on gps, putin's nuclear threat against america and european allies.
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a long time foreign correspondent is now staff writer and cnn global affairs analyst. steve, let me start with you. that rhetoric struck me. it felt very much like the cold war. what did you make of it? >> well, you know, this was a culmination of a process where russia has been in violation of the inf treaty but put the jiets there a dilemma. >> does this worry you? do you feel as though there is a
kind of new nuclear tension in the air? >> that is the case. there is a lot of war in europe over this and that the security conference last weekend and it was very much talked about. the european hope is that the next few months will be used to go back to the negotiating table and try to see if there's some sort of solution that can be received. puin that's bad and threatening. at the same time he is saying that if the u.s. doesn't deploy anything he will not deploy anything new in europe. perhaps one should take his word as to see if you can negotiate something that avoids a nuclear
ways over the continent of europe. it is for similar kinds of reasons. do you think that there is a plan here that the trump administration has? there's a plausible case to be made that these need to cover the nuclear powers like china maybe this is a way to go forward. >> i do think there's a good argument for modernization of arms control. this is a legacy we have of a cold war that is three decades in our past. on the other hand i'm struck by the fact that right now he talked about the possibility of negotiations but i didn't come out feeling like there was any eminent plans to actually do so. it is easier than it is to make
agreements especially with this particular american president. you know, it is an interesting fact of arms control that the russians and soviets before them have always been very invested in it in some ways as seeing it as confirmation of their great power status. putin is a prickly figure that is very eager the appear on the world stage as someone that the united states needs to sit down and negotiate with. >> speaking of people who enjoy being on the world stage, we are in for a new trump kim jong un summit. do you worry that the president is so eager to get that nobel peace prize that he has already nominated him for that he might cut a deal that is in america's interest? >> no. i'm not worried about that. he has given the lead on this to secretary pompeo.
working this is a very seasoned person. we know he is skeptical of the whole proposition. i think there's a healthy and dynamic tension within the president's national security team. i think they are going to try to make progress. i think they will probably try to work some whwhat step for st. that may be the best approach. i think there is a different approach from the president. it is much more top down with the leaders. i think since the approaches have failed we ought to give this one the benefit of the doubt and see what they can come up with. >> susan, trump does seem particularly fascinated by kim jong un. >> indeed he does. one of the most extraordinary developments is watching the president of the united states,
a great democracy follow in love wut dictator of north korea. he calls him and calls out as he did at that interview a couple of weeks ago, bring the letters, let me show you the letters from kim jong un which are a series of generic phrases. you know, the unease we can describe it as healthy tension but the deep unease that the president's own advisers on foreign policy have about the president's approach to handle. one of the most significant security challenges in the world today is something that is a marker of this moment. it is just -- it is crazy and completely not surprising at this moment that, you know, we are going into a summit at north korea and the stories about the
president's own team not being happy with the strategy. >> don't go away. the sentiment of last week's security conference was pretty tough on donald trump. it seems to have found common cause and concern over trump and his policies. at the same time a movement was revealed there to reaffirm democracy around the world. what does it mean? will it work? we'll talk about that when we come back. lift mascara.'s new unlimited lh 1. stretch it. 2. tilt it. 3. lift it. reach even smaller lashes. unlimited length. unlimited lift. new unlimited mascara by l'oréal paris.
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state and two of my guests. my other guest was also there covering the conference and the declaration. what is the point of a declaration like this? it feels as though it is certainly not going to move putin or, you flow, theknow, th struggling trend that you point out. do you think it is best dealt with? >> well, i think they will move those individuals at least initially. going back to why did we do this? the foundations for what we have referred to was put 70 years ago. it may be devastating global conflicts. it has been losing strain. it has been losing a certain
amount of a lot of people don't remember how it was. it is to look at the possibility of writing something that would reasonate all over the world in mexico and india and iran and indonesia and japan and see that eventually if this is possible we could also have it reasonate in some of the countries that we eluded to which are the difficult task ahead. >> the problem a lot of people say is that the united states has lost faith in this liberal world order. it is retreating from core principals like free trade.
they do not seem particularly interested in human rights. in fact trump seems to have a great fascination and that, you know, that's real problem. it isn't all of these places. it's the core there is a loss of faith in the mission. >> there is a lot of concern about that reflected in statemen statements about the administration. i think it was a reflection as much as it was a cause. we have seen within populations in democratic states a crisis of confidence, a questioning of whether democratic principals and free markets are really the proper foundation of societies. that frustration was reflected in the brexit vote. they are anti trade and with globalization here in the united states. so we -- in some sense we have a
crisis of confidence within our democratic societies about our commitment to democratic systems and principals. it is time for us to renew our vows to those principals to update them and reflect the new context in which we are operating which is what we tried to do and to reach out to our citizens to explain these principals, why they make sense as a foundation for societies that can better deliver for their people and states that can live together in peace. that's the campaign we are going to try to kick off having rolled out these principals. >> i come back to the issue. it does feel as though the trump administration embodies some of the problems people are talking about. you have been writing about trump and the way in which he occupies the presidency. i was very struck by a piece you wrote about trump and the
republicans in which you said the republicans have finally arrived at the one strategy with which they have -- they can agree on as to how to handle donald trump. charles grassly expressed very s which is to pray. can you elaborate on that? >> it seems like a year ago but it was actually only a little more than a week ago remember in our great national shutdown crisis. it was literally down to the wire whether the president was going to sign the bill whether they had made sure there wasn't a second government shutdown. here he is presiding over the senate. there are hours to go. they reached this consensus. they don't even know what the president is going to do. he said we should all pray.
of course what happened then was just as revealing as grassly's own statement. he apparently got word that the president was not committed to the agreement that his party had reached and once again was threatening to blow it up. so he had to call back and forth very anxiously and con seed to do something he had already publicly warned the president against and said it was not a good idea. he was basically force bid trump to endorse the declaration of a national emergency and go around congress and to the congressional powers that are the foundation of mcconnell's public philosophy. it has been a difficult one as they are faced with constant series between their principals and this goes to the statement of atlantic principals, you know, he is putting up free trade internationalism.
it has been at the bedrock of republican orthodoxy. public officials are forced to confront this between the principals they say they support and have for a long time and that leadership of their own party, the president, you know, i think that's the moment that we are in right now. >> well, i think clearly the republicans need to pray harer. thank you all. fascinating conversation. next, we'll bring you to a region of the world that is getting. i'll tell you about it when we come back. you see clear skin. you see me. but if you saw me before cosentyx... ♪ i was covered. it was awful. but i didn't give up. i kept fighting. i got clear skin with cosentyx.
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constitution. the document contains plenty of good reforms including the right to private property finally but there is one absence it is legalizing same sex marriage. that was met with hardened opposition from a community with growing clout throughout the region. evangelical regions. according to the research center just 4% of latin americans which for the most part is we van jell kals. in the new york times the political scientists writes that politically evangelical on gay rights and gender identity they are re. so the growth of churches has awakened a cultural war. no way is it more dominant that
in brazil where it backed the far right president on his first day in office. he removed lgbt issues from the human rights plin industry. the washington post notes that his evangelical supporters are advocating a bill that would require people to use bathrooms according to their biological sex. some of his supporters want to ban any progressive language about gender and sex jauality f classrooms. evangelicals along with catholics mobilized to fight against a proposed law that would legalize abortion. even mexico's president came to coalition with a party that opposes abortion and same sex marriage. what makes this culture so noteworthy is the fact that much
of latin america has a liberal tradition when it comes to gay rights. as discussed that is owed in part to the fact that many constitutions are relatively recent, forged in the last few decades often in the wake of the dictator ship. they often stress human rights and some offer protections from gays. in many cases they have followed suit. they legalized same sex marriage which is five years before the u.s. supreme court did. gay marriage is also legal in brazil and columbia and several mexican states. a backlash is mounting. what we are seeing is the beginning of a new identity politics in latin america. but this is an identity politics rooted not in ethnicity but evangelical chr evangelical christianity. it could derail one of the great
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and individual level so rates of murder and rape would go up. it has an impact on public health. for all of these reasons is a problem. it threatens to change just about every aspect of modern life as we know it. we have done so little to signal that we are serious about that that it makes me worry we won't do enough. >> do you flknow the basic probm which is that even you said at the end of the century. the problem is the costs are very long term for, you you know, not doing something and the pain is very short term for doing something. it at the end of the day people just don't worry about stuff that's so far in the future.
>> i think we're beginning to learn that it's right with us. the wildfires are a very vivid example of that. it made a lot of people feel like climate threat was right around the corner. and i think this is a big breakthrough. it used to be we thought of climate change as centuries, maybe the millenia, and maybe now it's just decades. it's since the ispc, it's since al gore published his book on global warming. now we're on the brink of catastrophe and the damage we've done in just those 25 years has brought us there. on the question of long-term impacts versus short-term impacts, i think you're right. thf this was the way climate control was thought of for a long time.
there were humanitarian costs that if you added up the dollars and cents, the total was not that much. but all the research in the last few years really changed that. there was an article last year that said the world would add $2 26 -- $600 trillion if we helped fix the climate. >> bill gates said you have no idea of the scale of change that has to take place. people just think about fossil fuels, they think about coal for electricity. 20 or 30% of it is agriculture. a lot of it is cows, the methane being released, as you put it, both ends, the mouth and the other side which means essentially going to a much more vegetarian plant-based diet. this seems unimaginably hard.
>> well, there are other solutions to it. for example, lab-grown meat has no carbon footprint, and there have been some small trials which shows if you redufed the cattle seaweed, it would limit it. and how diets will be changing over the course of the century, and really the future of the planet's climate will be determined by china and its path of development. as much as we think in the u.s. our patterns of development are important, which they are, china already has the footprint of the world, and since they're building so much infrastructure in asia right now, they'll be determining the carbon footprint of the future. >> what do you think of the united states? donald trump, as you say, has stepped back dramatically from any kind of leadership position. can the governors and the mayors
fill that gap? is america kind of -- i always worry that that sounds good, but at the end of the day, you do need the federal government if you want the whole country involved. >> i think you basically need action at every level. the community level, the state level, the national level and the international level. that to me is the most important, because even if we get our policymakers to focus aggressively on the climate, which i think this active research will make them focus, there is a collective action problem. every individual nation's incentive is to slow-walk action on climate and let others clean up the mess. there needs to be a system that makes sure everybody honors their commitments. the paris accords were an effort to do that, but no one was on track to honor those commitments. if we did, it would mean hundreds of millions of climate refugees, it would mean our agricultural yields would be 30% lower than they would be otherwise. the impact is everywhere you look, but we need a global
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