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>> extraordinary access to people of interest. >> michael cohen, anything he says anything, the democrats can say, why should we believe you. >> to create an environment so favorable, kim will feel he can give up his weapons. >> we can have denuclearization. the president wants made for tv moments. i am worried he will give too much. >> this is not about victimless crimes, about enabling trafficking in this country. >> my advice to kraft, come out, acknowledge what he did. this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." new information just in as to what michael cohen, president trump's former lawyer and now convicted felon, will say publicly before the house oversight committee. a source familiar with the
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preparations says for the first time, president truhe will deta trump's role. it begins with the senate against committee and also include some behind the scenes detail raising questions about the president's conduct in business and when he was a candidate. today, as we said, he'll testify behind closed doors to the senate intelligence committee. tomorrow, on public and tv before the house oversight. it will all unfold. it will all unfold when the president arrives in vietnam for this crucial summit with kim jong un. >> the house is set to block the president's emergency declaration at the u.s.-mexico border. one republican said he will join democrats in their bid to block the president's action. thom tillis said he is concerned
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the president is overreaching. we will bring in david gregory, jeffrey toobin and dana bash, cnn reporter. when michael cohen testifies in front of the senate intelligence committee, we won't be able to hear it. if he testified to criminal wrongdoing, what do they do? >> there is not much they can do other than impeach him or not impeach him. there is not a specific remedy available. i don't think the impeachment will go forward any time soon. i assume what they will really do is leak what he said and that will enter the political bloodstream. remember, the division between the public testimony tomorrow and before the intelligence
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committee, all the russia related stuff, trump tower and moscow, that's behind closed doors today and thursday. wednesday is mostly about about cohen's relationship with trump before trump became president. >> all the financial transactions from the trump organization, which are fascinating. >> yes. and the payoffs to the two women cohen was instrumental in. karen macdougall and stormy daniels. >> like a russian sandwich. wednesday will be the bread portion. anyway -- dana, fell us in what we are learning about the broad parliaments michael cohen will do. the phrase we're hearing it will testify as to the president's role in this crimes michael cohen has pleaded guilty to. >> we have to wait to hear what comes out of his mouth to get the specifics what that means. just the notion we are told of the president being involved at
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all in crimes that michael cohen committed, not alleged, committed, because he is going to jail. that's no small thing. imagine if this were any other president and somebody close who was as close to the president as michael cohen is went to testify? look, that is going to be probably one of the big parts of this testimony and just also hearing from michael cohen under oath talking about not just potential crimes, the biggest issue but also how the president conduct conducted himself, how the president dealt with potential sticky issues of business and as he was transitioning from business to the campaign, things he might have done or said that people out there in the universe probably would not be very happy about. >> david gregory, big picture. what are you listing for.
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he lied to congress before. and they will say, consider the source. why should you trust this guy? he's the ultimate insider, a guy who said he would take a bullet for donald trump. he's an insider as to who donald trump is, how he conducted himself as a private citizen. his attitude and maybe even income. what is he going to share about crimes may or may not have been committed when the president was president. that becomes important. when he makes these cases, makes a case against the president, if that's what he's going to do, how does he back it up? what kind of documentation does he have to back it up? all reports are he will bring that kind of corroboration. that's important. i'm sitting here, what does it amount to in the end? he's already going to prison, in some part saying, look, i'm doing everything i can as a good
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citizen here and be a righteous guy and go to prison he delayed. what are democrats going to do with this. you can go down the impeachment road and the mueller report may provide fodder for that. until there is action on the senate side to get those things passed in a trial on the senate, i'm unclear where it all goes. the answer, as jeffrey said, the political bloodstream. >> yeah. liberty mutual accident forgiveness means they won't hike your rates over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident.
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we are back and you can hear us, which is terrific. there were transmission issues that may or may not be russian relate >> if there was ever russian interference, it would have been that. >> or someone pulled the plug. we were talking about michael cohen and some new details about what he will say or might say before congress in the next three days when he testifies. we are told he will talk about the president's role in crimes
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michael cohen has pleaded guilty to, and also behind the scenes details, about some of the president's business transactions and private life from before he was president. now, i don't know again what michael cohen will actually end up saying out loud. it seems to me by saying the behind the scenes business detail of the day before it happens someone is trying to send a message to the president. >> absolutely trying to send a message to the president. that will be fascinating fodder. one of the things david gregory said before the break important to underscore, what about when donald trump was president in the white house. one question is, when michael cohen is expected to talk about the president's role in the crimes he committed, one of the big crimes he committed was lying to congress. so, did the president -- is he going to say the president told him to do that?
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strongly suggested he do that? that is way beyond any kind of innuendo. >> we'll see if he says -- >> we'll -- >> there has to be some kind of handwritten note. the president will say, liar. >> the credibility is absolutely on the line. >> when a guy who has been a personal fixer and lawyer and right hand fixer for donald trump for a decade, the person we thought first one we ever wanted to talk, it's not nothing if he comes out and testifies publicly under oath to all these details we haven't heard. >> yes. i just say that's what the democratic chorus will say. >> when defense attorneys say, how can you believe him? he's a liar. he's a criminal. the prosecutor always says, we didn't pick this witness, the
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defendant picked this witness. he's the one who is best friends with this fellow for 10 years. if he's so terrible, why was donald trump working with him so closely for 10 years. the idea you can somehow dismiss everything he says without corroboration, i wouldn't go overboard on that concept. it is significant to have someone who is so close to the president testify under oath. >> that's a good one. a compelling argument. >> i didn't invent it. every prosecutor learns it. >> it doesn't mean he's not out for himself and that's why the corroboration becomes important, given he's already lied to congress once. what's he going to do this time. i have a question i will put out on the table. to dana's point, if we get information and he testifies and says, look, the president made me lie to congress, if that's
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obstruction of justice and there's a report from mueller and other aspects not charged an as crime, that, to me, goes to the same critical question, what is going to come to light publicly from this report? is there anything that comes out? we've been talking the last couple of seconds, rod rosenstein saying, if you're not charged with a crime, the american citizens have a right to not have that revealed publicly. that's an interesting part of what cohen testifies to. >> huge. can we talk about rod rosenstein? >> please. >> those new this hour, rosenstein gave a speech yesterday he talked about the principle if you're not charged the government says nothing, the clear implication being the mueller report will not include anything about people who were not charged including and especially donald trump. what makes that so bizarre is that donald trump is president of the united states. there is a justice department policy that says he can't be
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indicted, so, is rosenstein saying, a, he can't be indicted and, b, if you're not indicted, you can't say anything about the person. does that mean we would not hear anything about donald trump? >> it's convenient now they're enforcing this rule when we know all these committees from judiciary on down have gotten hundreds of thousands of pages of transparency they asked for on people not indicted, andrew mccabe, hillary clinton, i could go on. >> absolutely. it's a reaction to that. the way i read what rod rosenstein said was we are not going to have a james comey situation here, fall of 2016 or summer of 2016 he says, i will not indict hillary clinton but here are the 10 reasons she's a horrible person. >> donald trump wins both ways. >> hang on a second. there's three separate issues, what comey did running the fbi
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before the election and one thing people will point to. and what doj did since donald trump has been president turning over documents to these various congressional committees, sometimes reluctantly and have turned them over with discussions with trey gowdy there,nd if the president can't be charged are they basically saying we won't give you anything, full stop. there are three separate bars there. sorry, david. the one difference is between comey and this situation, this involves the independent counsel. >> yes. >> the president here goes back to the impeachment of president clinton and the starr report and does seem to be a reaction to that and minimal reaction to what's released to congress and separately. that's separate from guidelines, in comey's case, if you don't charge somebody don't talk about it.
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>> we have all the stuff on carter page republicans demanded. carter page hasn't been charged with anything. remember that, the bar is there for that. >> that's the point. they now seem to be applying a different rule about derogatory information. >> that's right. also, the regulation of the special counsel regulation was written in response to the starr report. the starr report was perceived, especially by democrats, too much information came out. they wrote this regulation, which actually suggests a very narrow scope for the report by the special counsel. if in fact it is a narrow scope and it's written somewhat ambiguously, that may wind up limiting what democrats want to know about donald trump. fighting the last war is often problematic because you never know where the next war will take place. >> thank you very much.
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joining us now is jim hahn, a democrat who sits on the house intelligence committee and that committee will speak to michael cohen on tuesday-friday -- no, thursday. thursday you get your chance with michael cohen. if we can talk about new information we're getting about what michael cohen and his team say will be part of the testimony over the next three days. he will testify to the president's role in crimes that michael cohen has pleaded guilty to. what do you think that means? >> well, it could mean just about anything. remember, this was the president's right hand guy both in and out of office. we're particularly interested, the congress, that is to say, in misconduct during the campaign and presidency. as you know, michael cohen will be going to prison for lying about the time period the trump organization was working on the moscow tower and reiterating lies about that.
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what else is being undertaken? what other sort of business was the trump organization doing the white house was not being honest about disclosing. the payment to stormy daniels and the other individual. there's a lot of stuff that might not have been of interest to the special counsel because of the narrow mandate the special counsel has that could be pretty embarrassing for the president. i suspect most of that can come out in the open session on the oversight committee wednesday opposed to thursday because this is not classified stuff. >> do you have reason to believe donald trump was involved in crimes michael cohen has pleaded guilty to when he was president of the united states? >> that's the question, a very relevant. question for the congress. did conversations about the payoffs to the two individuals, did those conversations
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continue? as you asked in the earlier segment, did the president encourage michael cohen to lie? did he try to change michael cohen's testimony? did he have other people reach out? he has publicly via twitter attacked him. there is a long list of things, if this was somebody investigated in this criminal realm would look bad to a prosecutor and jury and we're interested in hearing all of that. >> do you believe michael cohen? >> we're at a point now, hard to answer that question with an unequivocal yes because he's going to jail for lying to my committee. we're at a point, this is a guy with nothing to lose. certainly not on the list of people that could anticipate the possibility of a pardon from the president. he's going to jail because of dishonesty. you look at the rogues president
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trump surrounded himself, paul manafort or pao poppadopoulos, will spend the day making the point you just made, this isn't a boy scout. >> let me play you something deputy attorney general rod rosenstein said yesterday in a public forum talking about broad transparency perhaps the idea the doj should release information about people that aren't charged with crimes. >> there is a knee-jerk reaction we should be transparent what we do in government. there are a lot of reasons not to be transparent what we do in government. if we aren't prepared to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt in court we have no obligation to reveal this to
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citizens. >> some of this is about the details robert mueller has found out if he's not charging anybody with a crime. >> and a response, for two years i responded with just that principle. i warned the doj would need to live by this precedent and it will. exactly what precedent is the chairman talking about there? >> what adam is talking about, the fact, you mentioned in the previous segment, in their mad pursuit for all these conspiracy theories, somehow the clinton investigation was not done correctly and the carter-page investigation have no merit to them. bob and they gowdy and bob goodlatte and others were demanding material from the department of justice. every week they were saying we want to look at this fisa
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affidavit and this and that. the department of justice resisted but said, yes. they're in a tough place if they want to say no. i also want to point out -- by the time -- by the way, jim comey didn't just announce the decision to charge hillary clinton, he then castigated her and said the practices were not practices tolerated in other offices. we have crossed a couple of rubicons here and talking about something the american public and our politics have a profound interest in getting to the truth. in the comey thing is one thing during the campaign. turnover of documents and request for documents during the trump presidency is another. you just noted to your chagrin those requests were made and documents turned over. will you suspend that chagrin
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now? it seems to me you were upset about it then and now you won't be? >> the larger issue is what precedent was set. that was not a good precedent. the larger one is we're arguing about a semantic. can the president be indicted? the department of justice says no, a logical truism, if he can't be indicted anything that leads you to that shouldn't be exposed. there is a reason the president can't be indicted because there is a different mechanism to bring accountability to the president of the united states and happens in this building. that is impeachment. it does not mean the president will be kicked out of office. it is a trial, a constitutional venue, if you believe the department of justice does, the president can't be indicted, that is where things get tried. mueller and the attorney general need to remember it's perfectly
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xwlooib pope francis calls the conviction of his close friend shocking. he must not come into contact with minors. a jury found the 77-year-old guilty of sexually assaulting two boys in the 1990s.
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a judge just lifted a court order banning media reports about the trial. pelle's lawyers say they will appeal. nearly 200 people are stuck on a train in oregon as we speak. they have been stuck since sunday. amtrak's coast starlight train was traveling from seattle to los angeles when it hit a tree on the track in oakridge, oregon. no one was hurt but intense snowfall has now made it impossible for anyone to rescue them. rebecca is on that train. this sounds like hell. how many hours have you and the 183 people been on that train? >> i've been on the train 88 hours? 40 hours, close to 40. and some for 50 hours and crew members going about 30. >> my gosh, what have you all been doing inure 38 hours. correction -- 38 hours.
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>> to be honest, a lot of card games, talking, sharing stories. a man pulled out his eukele and put kids to sleep. like a giant kumbaya party. >> that is beautiful. the human spirit really rises to the occasion. i know it hasn't all been kumbaya. some passengers are having a hard time coping. what's happening with the emotional state of some fellow passengers? >> we had younger college students missing college classes and their professors, especially at ucla and sacramento, are unwilling to work with their students and claim they are lying about being stuck on a train. we had a couple of meltdowns, panic attacks and psychological. i happen to have a psychological degree and work with adults. i have been calming a lot of people down. everybody for the most part has been pretty relatively stable. >> oh, my gosh. those professors will eat their
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words. are you getting any sleep? is there enough food for all of you? >> we are actually down to our last meal, so breakfast is our last meal. we did just get an engine we've been waiting 30 hours for that pulled up two seconds ago. they said they still have to clear the road but we have something to pull us into the station now. we don't have food, but -- >> that's good news. the tracks still aren't clear. there's trees, falling trees along the track. have they given you any sense how much longer you will track there? >> all we know they cleared nine miles of track yesterday and took them 11 hours to clear nine miles and they had to clear what they cleared after that section. it could be another six hours or another 12 before we can get 33 miles. that's how far you have to get to get off the train? >> yes. >> my gosh. now that you're out of food and
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you just had your last meal, what's the plan on board? >> amtrak fed everybody yesterday and today and will feed us in the morning. i have no idea. we haven't had an update since 11:00 yesterday. >> your personal story, college professor, married to a disabled marine veteran. you have two kids. how's your family doing inure absence back home? >> i was only supposed to be gone three days for a conference and gone five days. my husband is disabled and doesn't cook. a couple people saw my tweet in my hometown and brought them pizza last night. i try not to cry, sorry, i can't get home for two days because amtrak canceled service until friday and i canceled all my
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college classes. this has caused a hardship on everybody on this train. >> i understand. i don't mind -- obviously we can hear how emotional you are, is it hard for you to be away from your family and cope with the anxiety about this. >> right. my husband is calling me every hour to make sure we're okay. i'm telling him, we're safe, there's electricity and power and heat. i've been writing a novel most of the time just to keep my stress levels down. reading a novel most of the time just to keep my stress levels down -- >> you have new material, as an author, you can turn this and spin this into gold. here's amtrak's statement. due to worsening conditions and variable road closures and no crews with transportation, we
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are working with pacific to clear the way and get the train off the tracks. we anticipate the train will return to eugene tomorrow morning. that sounds like the plan, they will try to go back to eugene. >> eugene and portland, the problem is 80% of our passengers need to be in l.a. what do those people do when they get to eugene with no resources for a hotel. they are stranded at the eugene train station. >> hopefully amtrak will do right by them. thank you. we appreciate you sharing what's going on, on that train for the past 38 hours. thinking of you and wishing you the best. we will check back with you to make sure that you do get going in the right direction tomorrow. >> okay. thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> this is off the hook. this is completely bonkers. she is as calm as i could ever imagine a person being on a train 38 hours.
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>> i guess the psychological degree comes handy and wonderful everybody is bonding and there is a breaking point. at some point there is a breaking point. >> the food? eukele? never go on an amtrak train without a eukele. these colleges not believing their students are stuck on a train, it appears they are stuck on a train. cut them some slack. and the president's bump ban and the vote goes upp in the house. >> momentum is on the side of the gun advocates, it appears those with the best intentions, illegal guns and those who shouldn't own them still slips
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through the track. john. >> this week, congress is expected to take up the first stand alone gun reform bill in almost two decades. hr 8, known as the bipartisan background checks act from unlicensed sellers, closing a gaping loophole. this is about as closest as you get in american politics. the quinnipiac poll a year ago showed 97% support for this. 98% of democrats and 98% of independents and republicans. but it was taken after the school massacre. support tends to spike after the attacks. the percentage of those saying guns is the most important issue tends to fade after. the gun lobby knows it and bet on it. it will probably pass the house and likely get stopped by the republican controlled senate. look at the mass shootings in
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america. as gary martin was being fired from the pratt company, he was fired. five co-workers killed and five police officers injured. he lied about a conviction for domestic violence in mississippi before should have prevented him from owning a gun in the first place. illinois is one of three places to require a license to own a gun. it was only when he upgraded to a concealed carry permit the missed felony already surfaced. at that point he already had a gun. illinois has something for that situation revoking the permit and taking weapons away. after they notified martin his permit was revoked, there was no sign of follow-up. revoking permits in 2018 all told they're required to return
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the weapons, many were not returned as required by law. only a percentage of them returning them. meaning they shouldn't have them. this conviction did show up in the database five days after the shooting. in this county circuit clerk's office where martin was convicted said it passed on all notice of conviction to the federal supreme court but won't give it to the database unless specifically requested. the anatomy of the tragedy reads as follows, a national database should have contained a conviction of martin's conviction and the database should have known before it issued the gun permit and didn't. and once illinois found out about it should have confiscated the weapon but didn't. common sense is more about writing laws but enforcing laws
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and giving congress tools and resources to do it. that's your reality check. >> when you make mistakes, you better lern a better learn and make sure it doesn't happen again. cnn exclusively taking you somewhere news crews have never taken you before. 36 hours behind the enemy lines with the taliban next. liberty mutual accident forgiveness
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we have a remarkable scene and exclusive that took senior international correspondent clarissa ward behind enemy lines in taliban controlled afghanistan. she join us to share her 36 hours with the taliban. that's astounding. we should warn some watching. thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much. we thought this was important for americans to have a look what's going on in afghanistan. 60% of the country is either under contested or taliban control. with u.s.-taliban peace talks gaining momentum, there is a real sense the taliban thinks victory is within its grasp. >> reporter: this is what the taliban wants you to know. their moment is coming and they are ready for victory. this is a world you have
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probably never seen up close. and we are some of the only western journalists to enter it. america's enemy in afghanistan is best known for harboring osama bin laden, as he planned the 9/11 attacks. for its brutal repression of women and for meeting out harsh justice under a draconian interpretation of islamic sharia law. we want to find out who the taliban is today, if after 17 years of war with the u.s. their islamic emiric has changed. our journey begins in the southern border of sharif, force to withdraw after a bitter battle of 2001, now, they are just a few miles away. we're headed out now to meet up
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with our taliban escorts. as you can see, i'm wearing the full facial veil. i'm wearing it to keep as low profile as is possible because there are no western journalists in the areas we're headed to. the government controls the highway out of the city. but once you turn off the main road you are quickly in taliban territory. to reach our hosts, we have to cross the small river on a ferry. billions of u.s. dollars have been poured into building up afghanistan's infrastructure. but little of that has trickled down here. there on the other side of the river. after months of negotiations, the taliban leadership has agreed to give afghan filmmaker, myself and producer, selma,
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extremely rare access into the group's territory. as women, we are ignored, seemingly invisible beneath the full veil that is mandatory in public. the taliban has allowed us to visit these areas because it wants to show that it is in control. in our first moments -- that's a lot of helicopters. one, two, three, four, five. our escorts tell us to stop. we are now on the other side of america's war. in recent months, the u.s. has dramatically stepped up the number of air strikes on the taliban. the militant flag makes us a conspicuous target. we have no choice but to push on. our first stop is a clinic that has been run by the taliban since they took control of this area almost two years ago.
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the plaque at the door reveals it was a gift from the americans in 2006. suddenly, a young girl outside is hit by a motorcycle. a boy rushes over to help her. the driver is a taliban fighter. he slings his gun over his shoulder and wanders over. apparently unconcerned. life here is brutal. the girl is rushed inside. a frantic mother following behind. >> is she okay? is she okay? >> but no one seems as shocked as we are. the doctor gives the mother some painkillers and sent her away. after years of fighting here, he has seen much worse.
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>> reporter: who's in charge of the hospital? who's managing it? he explained that the taliban manages the clinic, that the government pays salaries and provides medicine. this sort of ad hoc cooperation is becoming more and more common, and there have been other changes. >> reporter: this is something >> reporter: so this is something you wouldn't expect to see in a clinic under the control of the taliban. looks like some kind of sexual health education talking about condoms, other forms of birth control. this 22-year-old midwife has worked under the taliban and the afghan government. what's been your experience working under the taliban here? the taliban never interfere as our work as women, she says, or block us from coming to the clinic.
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in the waiting area these women say war and poverty makes their lives miserable. has life under the taliban changed now from what it was before? no? we are trapped in the middle, the woman says, and we can't do anything. it's just so sad to see how desperate people are here. the women telling me they don't have enough food to eat or the proper medicines to treat their disabled children. all they want is peace and improvement to their quality of life. it's getting late and we need to get to our accommodation. the taliban turn off cell phone service after dark. this is when we are most vulnerable. the next morning, we are taken to a religious school. under taliban rule in the '90s,
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girls were banned from going to school. but we find boys and girls studying. raise your hand if you know how to read. okay. one, two, three. you can read and write? do you know what you want to be when you grow up? a doctor? bravo. what's your favorite subject in school? maths. you're smart. this teacher splits his time between the front lines and the classroom. his ak-47 never leaves his side. the emirates has instructed education departments to allow education for girls of religious studies, science and math, he says. but there is a catch. once they reach puberty, girls cannot go to school with boys.
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and the sad reality is that few in rural areas like this see women's education as a priority. the taliban's focus now is on showing it can govern effectively. across the country, the group has appointed shadow governors. for security, haksar is always on the move. when visitors hear he's visiting they line up to air their issues. there are disputes over money and land ownership. your petition will be dealt with tomorrow, he says. corruption is rampant in the afghan government. the taliban has a reputation for delivering quick, if harsh, justice. the islamic emirate has laws, this man says. it has an islamic sharia system in place. he agrees to sit down with us.
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his bodyguard listens for security updates on the radio. we start by asking about the taliban's brutal tactics and the u.s. concern that they could once again offer safe haven to terrorists. >> whether it's the americans or isis, no foreign forces would be allowed in the country once we start ruling afghanistan. >> reporter: are there real efforts being made to stop killing civilians? >> those responsible for civilian casualties came with aircrafts, artillery, b-52 and heavy weaponry. >> reporter: in reality the taliban is responsible for thousands of civilian deaths in the last three years alone. what about the suicide bombings at polling stations, for example? these kill many civilians. >> we deny this. this accusation is not acceptable to us. >> reporter: there are small signs that the taliban is moving
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with the times. >> i listen to the radio. also facebook and other media. >> reporter: you're on facebook? >> yes. >> reporter: but it is clear the fundamental ideology has not changed. so if somebody is found guilty of stealing you cut off their hand? >> yes, we follow sharia instruction. >> reporter: if somebody is found guilty of adultery, you will stone them to death? >> yes. the sharia allows stoning to death. >> reporter: as we are leaving the interview a dispute breaks out about us. they should have brought a man, one of them says. so the issue now is they don't want us to walk outside with the governor because i'm a woman. they think it is inappropriate.
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we agree to follow the men at a distance, something i have never had to do in my career. the commander takes us to a nearby safehouse to be interviewed privately. we are warned that political questions are off the table. do you want to see peace between the taliban and america? >> it would be better if this question was put to the spokesperson of the islamic emirate. >> reporter: do you feel the taliban is winning the war? >> translator: god willing, we are hopeful. we are supported by god. >> reporter: he wants to show off his forces for our cameras. his men are gathering just outside the village. it is exceptionally rare and dangerous for dozens of fighters to congregate in one place. i have been coming to
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afghanistan for more than ten years. i never imagined that i would be reporting from here in the heart of taliban territory, but we are not going to stay long here. gatherings like this can be a major target for air strikes. >> reporter: the commander says america's military might can't keep them from victory. >> translator: we are ready for any sacrifice. we are not scared of being hit. this is our holy path. we continue our jihad. >> reporter: most of the men have been fighting u.s. forces since they were old enough to carry a gun. the question now is are they ready to put the guns down? our visit with the taliban is coming to a close. it's time to leave. for a large part of afghanistan, the prospect of a taliban
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resurgence remains horrifying. for many here it makes little difference who is in charge. after decades of war and hardship, they'll turn to anyone who promises peace. >> oh, my gosh. what a masterpiece of reporting. what a window into this world we never would have been able to see. a couple of questions. why did you want to undertake this and why did the taliban agree to this? why did they agree to being shown on cnn, warts and all? >> this is something we asked ourselves. this is a world that's been shrouded in secrecy. they have not allowed any outsiders into this world. i think what they want to show right now is not that they have changed. we see clearly that fundamentally they have not changed, but they can be more pragmatic. they can sit at the negotiating table with the u.s. they can cooperate in instances with hospitals and schools with
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the afghan government. they can govern effectively, control territory. this is the image they are seeking to project to the outside world right now. although it should be viewed within the understanding very clearly they think they are this close to getting the keys to the kingdom if u.s. troops withdraw. they are going to say what they need to. >> there are differences to afghan under the taliban in these parts than 15 years ago to be sure. >> absolutely. i don't think fundamental principles have changed. they no longer want to come in and tear down the school. they let the school keep running. they learned by coopting the infrastructure which other people are paying for, whether it's the u.s. or the afghan government they earn more popularity. they didn't take down the sex ed poster. >> i couldn't believe it. >> i thought maybe they hadn't looked close enough or
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understood. also that 22-year-old midwife covered with the basic hijab but wasn't wearing the nikab. she was never interfered with and i didn't have the sense in this instance that the taliban were standing behind the scenes there saying this is what we want you to say. >> this was a dangerous assignment. were there moments -- it sure looked life threatening. were there moments you felt your life was in jeopardy. >> the main moment that felt deeply uncomfortable and dangerous is where you saw the show of force. you don't have large gatherings of taliban fighter because they get whacked when that happens. the commander had the hundred-yard gaze going on like he's seen too much war and doesn't care. he thought it was cool and wild to show reporters how strong he
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is. by the end of it we were literally like, okay, we want to leave now. please go away, this is dangerous. we ended our trip early. there were drones all over the skies over afghanistan. the u.s. military didn't know we were there embedded with the taliban. so for a number of reasons that was a nerve wracking moment. >> clarissa ward, this was an astounding look inside afghanistan. every 20 seconds there was something they jaw dropped. i couldn't believe i was seeing what i was seeing. thank you very much. >> thank you for bringing it to us. >> up next, michael cohen arrives on capitol hill. this morning we have an idea of what his team says he will tell lawmakers. we'll give you the new information right now. >> michael cohen has serious baggage. his incentive now is to tell the truth. >> you have a president trying to deal with a major world issue


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