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>> mr. kim jong-un, please fix your haircut. it's awful, okay? i do have a private life, and when i go out it's not very sexy. >> reporter: but he's so sexy at a summit he could have used a few of these guys. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks so much to all of you for watching. anderson starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. after testifying behind closed doors to the senate intelligence committee all day and into the evening tomorrow the president's former lawyer and fixer will testify publicly for the first time about what he says was the president's role in the crimes cohen himself pleaded guilty to last year, and he says he's looking forward to it. >> first of all, i want to thank you all for sticking around and waiting for me. at this point in time i really appreciate the opportunity that was given to me to clear the record and to tell the truth and i look forward to tomorrow to
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being able to give my voice to tell the american people my story, and i'm going to let the american people decide exactly who's telling the truth. >> now, multiple sources say today cohen apologized for the lies he told during his testimony in 2017 about how far the trump tower moskow project negotiations went into the campaign. senator susan collins said cohen was, quote, a very different guy than last time. a source tells cnn cohen tomorrow will give details when he was a candidate and may have documents to back up those claims. and he will detail the lies, racism and cheating he wnlsed while working for trump for more than a decade. the white house is already trying to do preemptive damage control before cohen faces that committee to the american public. sarah sanders ses, quote, disgraced felon michael cohen is going to prison for lying to congress and making other false statements. sadly he will go before congress
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this week and we can expect more of the same. her statement goes onto say, quote, it's laughable anyone would take a convicted liar like cohan at his word and pathetic to give him another opportunity to spread his lies. sarah sanders saying a liar like cohen should not be taken at his word. pot meet kettle. "the washington post" clocks the false and misleading statements at 8,718, and that's only up to last sunday. the fact checker database found the president made 15 erroneous comments a day. keep in mind cohen has lied and lied a lot. he lied on tv promoting trump's campaign and he lied under oath to congress. he's a convicted felon. the difference between him and president trump is that cohen has admitted to lying. the president has not. cohen has apparently now apologized for lying.
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the president's never really apologized for anything except the "access hollywood" tape which he reportedly subsequently suggested he never really said those thing, which he did. there's an important question we don't quite know the answer to. why did michael cohen lie so much for donald trump. he suggested it was out of blind loyalty to another liar. >> i will use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. i protect mr. trump. i'll do anything to protect mr. trump. i'm obviously vore loyery loyal dedicated to mr. trump. >> that loyalty and dedication does not exist anymore, therefore neither does cohen's motivation to lie for the president. the white house statement ignores that part of its once a liar always a liar contention. but if that's the standard why should we believe anything the president says either after he said this back in april. >> did you know ability the
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$130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen make this, if there was no truth to the allegations? >> you'll have to ask michael. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got to money to make that payment? >> mow. >> that was a lie. we knew, and we know he knew because he was reportedly talking to michael cohen about hush money payments to the parent company of the national enquirer which was buying and killing stories about president's dpextra marital affair. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. it's all the stuff because here you never know whether that company -- >> if he gets hit by a truck. >> correct. >> haeb he gets hit by a truck. those hush money payments will be in tomorrow's topic.
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the only reason i mention the details of that part of it is because wouldn't you know someone else has popped up shouting about kettles and pots and what color they are. here's what a sitting united states congressman republican matt gaetz tweeted just a few hours ago. hey, michael cohen, do your wife and father-in-law know about your girlfriends? maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. i wonder if she'll remain faithful when you're in prison. she's about to learn a lot. let's just think about this for a moment, a sitting member of congress decided it was a good idea to tweet out what certainly appears to be a threat to michael cohen. do your wife and father-in-law know about your girlfriends? she's about to learn a lot. it's the kind of thing you can imagine like a petty thug or blackmailer saying to someone in a muffled phone call or in a b-movie in the 1940s or something you might have heard cor loan yoni say in the godfather.
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i wonder if she, your wife will remain faithful when you're in prison. that's not a threat but tawdry and beneath the dignity of a sitting congressman. and believe me, that bar, it ain't too high. gaetz said that tweet was not witness tampering but witness testing. the thing gat's tweet seems to ignore is it was meant to be a threat or intended to make people sort of clutch their pearls. you just have to look no further than the president's own alleged conduct. all the pearls are taken. there is no pearl necklace anymore. when cohen testifies tomorrow, yeah, it'll be a known lawyer who lied for another known liar because the liar told him to lie and paid him to lie. you can also argue the liller doesn't actually have to lie anymore because he's already been convicted of lying and he's heading to prison. how much more does he really have to lose? chief white house correspondent jim acosta is in hanoi with the president. he joins us now. what are you hearing about the
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mood of white house staffers who are in vietnam ahead of the con hearing? because no matter what happens in vietnam tomorrow, this cohen testimony is going to be the story of the day. >> reporter: well, publicly, anderson, they're claiming that they're not worried about michael cohen and that hearing overshadowing everything back here in vietnam. but obviously they know that michael cohen will be a huge spectacle tomorrow, and that it is going to overshadow much of what the president does here with the north korean dictator kim jong-un. basically, anderson, what you're hearing from white house officials they are attacking michael cohen's credibility at the white house. press secretary sarah sanders referring to michael cohen as a liar. and so what happens when you have people who don't tell the truth or accusing other people of not telling the truth we'll find out tomorrow. i talked to a trump advisor earlier this evening who said this is all about credibility. and in the view of this advisor
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michael cohen doesn't have any. but, anderson, i think more to the point at this juncture, this advisor said right now michael cohen is without a country. that is how badly he is seen inside trump world. it's almost as if he's been excommunicated, and it really gets to the heart of how things go down in trump world. when you're somebody like paul manafort who has really existed cooperating with the special counsel's office, you don't get this kind of treatment. but when you're michael cohen it's something out of the godfather had twitter existed when michael corlioni was around. >> i find it hard to believe the president is not going to watch michael cohen's hearings tomorrow. i think that's 10:00 p.m. in hanoi. he would have to stay up through the night to i guess actually watch it. but do we know, does he plan to watch it? >> reporter: well, according to our sources, anderson, yes. white house officials have basically acknowledged the president will be spending some
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time watching all this. and the white house officials and the president's legal team will be looking at this as well. i talked to a source familiar with the president's legal team and their thinking who told me earlier this evening they don't expect to be a whole lot of bombshells to come out of michael cohen's testimony, they don't expect to hear anything dramatically new in terms of what he has to say. but they seem to agree inside the white house and the president's legal team this is going to be a major spectacle. keep in mind, anderson, in previous administrations when you had scandals like watergate, monica lewinsky, you had figures in the public. you had figures from administrations testify in front of the cameraess. that really hasn't happened up until this point in the trump administration. that is why if michael cohen says what he has says before i think no doubt we're going to be witnessing history when michael cohen testifies tomorrow in
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front of congress and in front of the cameras. it's something we haven't seen so much during the course of this russia investigation. it's going to be an incredible moment to watch. >> as we said michael cohen's testimony tomorrow and it will be public before the house oversight committee. ing me now is a member of that committee. this tweet from your republican colleague matt gaetz to michael cohen claims it's not a threat or witness tamper recollect but witness testing. i don't know exactly what that means. what do you say to that? is this threatening michael cohen? >> is the hearing itself threatening michael cohen? >> no, is matt gaetz's tweet suggesting that does his father-in-law or wife know about girlfriends. >> that has all the signs of a threat. and i don't think it'll affect michael cohen, not at this point. but i don't know what he could do about it. who's he going to tell it to and
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how credible is he. >> what do you want to hear in detail from him? >> you know, there's some frustration here because there are two committees. the intelligence committee and our committee. so we may be left with the salacious stuff like stormy daniels, and of course that gets pretty close to the president. particularly if the president told cohen to lie, and we already know there are campaign violations. but if he lied this close to an election, then it looks like he may have been trying to, of course, influence the election and that gets to be pretty dicy. >> it's been reported that cohen is going to be bringing documents with him to back up his testimony. "the wall street journal" reported that. he notified the committee about these documents. do you know what they are? >> i don't have the slightest idea what those documents are except that often when we asked witnesses about their
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recollection they pull out something to make it clear that they're being truthful. >> the white house, obviously, they're attacking cohen's credibility saying it's laughable anyone would believe a convicted liar like cohen. they're not wrong. he has lied to congress before. he's lied on television, lied for years for then citizen donald trump. why should people watching believe what he says now? >> well, they really should believe what he says now because he can't afford to dig his grave any deeper, and he's already in for three years. so the notion that he would try to make it worse is absurd. of course what the white house is doing is playing an offense to try to make him seem untruthful now, that is to say tomorrow because he's been untruthful before. but the fact is he has every incentive to tell the truth now. he doesn't want to be a manafort who lied once and then came and lied again and look what's happening to him. he may go to prison for the rest
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of his life. >> but if he -- if cohen wanted to tell the truth about everything, he didn't make a cooperation agreement with prosecutors. so there are some things he has not talked to prosecutors about, and i assume he didn't make a full cooperation agreement because he's worried about possible illegalities he was involved with. >> precisely. and we may get to ask those questions as to why he didn't make a full offer to agreements considering how much he has in fact told. so why won't he tell the whole thing, the whole story? he's going to jail. and i don't think he means to go to jail any longer than he is. so, yeah, there will be things for us to ask, but remember the intelligence committee has a big part of this as well. and we've been told we can't ask about russia, for example. we can only ask about those fairly domestic matters which
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are very embarrassing but do pertain directly to the election. keeping stormy daniels and that kind of information from the electorate in order that the public not know something that might well influence who would become president of the united states. >> are you also interested in information about the trump organization itself and any activities they might have been involved with? >> very much so. we're interested in how this is part and parcel of the trump organization. again, without getting into russia and some other committees jurisdiction. >> congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thank you. we'll be watching tomorrow. with me now gloria borger and jeffrey toobin. you've spoken to a source familiar with what cohen is going to say tomorrow. any reason why this matt gaetz tweet could change cohen's plan? >> i don't think so. remember he pulled back from testifying when he perceived threats from the president of
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the united states and postponed until tomorrow. i don't think this is going to affect him one way or another. it may make him more determined, actually, to say what he's going to say. and what our sources are telling us is that he's going to portray the president as a liar and a cheater, and he may bring some financial documents with him. but it's going to be a very unflattering portrait, which of course the president is very nervous about. and i just want to point out something that my colleague, pamela brown just found out about from rudy giuliani. we know how concerned the president is about this, but rudy giuliani told pam i don't think michael cohen is occupying even 10% of the president's attention right now. i think it's got to be a little more than that, don't you? >> yeah. okay. let's just let that ruminate for a while. jeff, this tweet from gaetz, it's a threat. is it legal, is it illegal? >> i just reread the obstruction of justice statute, 18ufc 1512.
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it could certainly be described as obstruction of justice. however there is a speech and debate clause under the u.s. constitution in which members of congress are gibbon broad range to speak about matters being litigated. i don't think this is going to wind up to be a legal case especially because trump himself has said worse things about cohen and more threatening things. it was the president who tweeted why aren't they investigating cohen's father-in-law. i mean he's the one in charge of the department of justice. gaetz is just a junior member of congress who really doesn't have much authority to do anything. it's much more threatening to have the head of the executive branch talking about your father. >> i mean, jeff, what's interesting is gaetz isn't even on the oversight committee so it's just like he's trying to get in on the game and sort of, you know, please daddy trump. i mean, that's essentially, you know, he's just trying to get
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himself in the headlines and let the president know, you know, he's willing to be, you know, thuggish or threatening or whatever, however you want to call it. >> that's right. and we have to ask ourselves whether we are doing his bidding by, you know, putting this slur out there in public. frankly, as a member of congress i think this is news, and it is worth talking about. >> yeah, this is some guy who's just -- you know, he's a sitting member of congress. just like didn't there use to be some dignity somewhere on capitol hill? >> a long time ago. >> have you been paying attention? where you been? i mean, this is like, you know, the way trump -- the president talks about people who cooperate and -- >> you have gaetz saying is your wife going to be faithful while you're in prison. >> gaetz is threatening to like crash the committee. he wants to go there. he's trying to get permission
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because he's not on the committee, and he wants to ask his serious question maybe about michael cohen's alleged extra marital affairs, which of course have an awful lot to do with the subject matter at hand. >> the world is waiting hoohear about who michael cohen has been having sex with. >> exactly. i have to say, anderson, my favorite line from gaetz today is this is what it looks like to compete in the marketplace of ideas. what idea is this? what idea is this? >> but i don't think we can underestimate just what a big deal this is tomorrow. because, you know, 50 years from now this is going to be these pictures of cohen talking about what went on, you know, just as we remember watergate through the lens of john dean's testimony we remember iran contrathrough the lens of oliver north's testimony, this is how american scandals get remembered. and we haven't had anyone talk this way yet. and, you know, i don't know
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where it's going to go. you know, i doubt many minds will be changed. but this will be a defining moment in the trump presidency for better or for worse. >> and this is absolutely a shakespearean story. you have somebody who was his greatest defender, i'll take a bullet for donald trump who flips on him and now is determined as he says not to be the villain in this story but to tell the truth facing his jail time. so as you were pointing out earlier, anderson, it's michael cohen's credibility, which we all understand has been shredded. he's admitted to lying to congress, and he's going to go to jail for it versus donald trump's. >> maybe like a pulp novel. >> the betrayal, let's put it that way. >> it's not two houses divided. >> all right, all right. maybe i'll give you pulp. >> gloria borger, jeff toobin as well. much more to come including how matt gaetz, how he describes his
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faithful when you're in prison. she's about to learn a lot. staying classy, san diego. tonight the congressman was asked if that is witness tampering. >> tluty not. it's witness testing. when people come before the congress with an intent to perpetuate their continuous lies we have an opportunity and i would say an obligation to test who those people lie to. we already know that michael cohen lies to congress. we already know that he lies to law enforcement. now we're going to find out if he also lie tuesday the people closest to him, and i think that will tell a lot about his ability to tell the truth. >> by the way, he's not on the committee. he's just going to be watching on tv like everybody else. appreciate both of you being with us. rick, i mean, is this witness tampering? is this a threat? >> i don't know if it rises to the level of witness tampering, but it speaks to the sort of level of which the trump world wants to treat michael coon00 this thing. this is sign not of matt being
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some brave warrior here but of how terrified they are that michael cohen is bringing the receipts. that michael cohen isn't just going to come to committee tomorrow and say bad things about donald trump, but he's going to lay it out chapter and verse. he's going to say this contract was in this dodgy thing and on this day he asked me to do x and y which a violation of the law. mile michael cohen is not a truthful person, he's a guy going to jail so not a good person. they're afraid the tangible ite items he's going to bring into this discussion, the names, the dates. he can talk about the mbas, the women, can't talk about russia in this thing but a lot of stuff in great detail that can be verified and validated by outside sources. >> michael, do you think they should be nervous? do you think that michael cohen does have receipts as rick was saying? >> i don't think so. i mean, michael cohen was one of
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the utility infielders on the 26th floor of the trump tower. the one thing we can all look forward to on "saturday night live" we're going to see john lovets come back as the pathological liar. tomorrow is michael cohen basically ordering his last meal before he goes to jail. i think he'll say anything he can to maybe reduce his sentence, maybe get out on good behavior. >> the testimony before will do nothing for his sentence and has nothing to do with good behavior. >> i get that. he's trying to mitigate whatever kind of damage he's already done to himself. michael cohen is going to lie tomorrow like he always lies. and i don't like the look of the congressman's tweet. but at the same time tomorrow if michael cohen is going to be talking about the president's sex life, i understand where the congressman is going there, but i think it's a pretty bad look.
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>> what is it -- it's easier for the white house, and look, they're accurate when they say he's a felon, a liar, an admitted liar. but donald trump employed him for years i assume because he was a liar, at least in part, and would do the bidding of donald trump. i mean it's hard to get reputable lawyers to, you know, do your hush money agreements. >> right. it's not every day -- your every day attorney doesn't go and say which porn star are we paying off this week, and let me call the national enquirer and take care of this and that for you. cohen's specific kill set, he has a very specific set of skills and a lot of them involve things donald trump didn't want out there in the world. and he's going to be able to point to these things and say this draws a full picture. >> but it's interesting to me michael cohen has not had a cooperation agreement, so he's not been willing to come clean
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about everything, i assume to protect a father-in-law or whatever -- whoever he's still trying to protect. >> you know, the interesting thing is, you know -- in mob cases they always wrap up the accountant. weisselberg's testifying. then they wrap up the consigliere. michael cohen is that figr for the last ten, 12 years of donald trump's life. there are a lot of webs that he had a hand in, and a lot of those what you're going to have are things going to peel back and open up new avenues of investigation they do not want opened up. >> michael, do you think the fact he's still not a full guantanamoer means he's still not telling the truth? >> i don't think michael cohen even knows how to tell the truth. and i understand why the never trump team really thinks he's some kind of fantasy that donald trump's sun sig laer consiglier
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the end of the day this is all going to cull mawinate in a skit on "saturday night live," and michael cohen can go to jail where he belongs. >> whether one cares or not, he reported donald trump talking about, you know, the deal with the national enquirer, something the president had denied publicly. so, you know, michael cohen has already done damage, you know, michael? >> no doubt but i think it's going to be fun tomorrow for people to sort through what is a lie and what is the truth. it's going to be a full time job for the house permanent select committee. i guess it's a house oversight committee and good luck with that. from my experience i've known michael cohen for a long time, a lot longer than anybody else on this show, and the way you know michael cohen is lying are his lips are moving. >> and yet donald trump named him the cofinance chairman of the republican national
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committee. >> big mistake. >> i yet donald trump used him as a primary surrogate on the campaign over and over again. >> not a primary surfeit. >> and yet donald trump continued to have michael cohen as part of his circle right up until last year. this was a long relationship that donald trump felt there was a great utility to having michael cohen having him in his life to do specific things for him. and what's going to happen, and i know michael kaputo here wants to think it's all just a fantasy, an air bubble. but he's going to be able to say the president on this day asked me to dox and i did that. >> what's not clear to me, though, is how in some testimony like i think in watergate staffers were able to ask -- to interview witnesses beforehand so when there was actually televised testimony it was sort of focused and, you know, very dramatic. but we have not seen that kind of thing in quite a while. i don't know if that's the case
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tomorrow if they've already talked to michael cohen staffers so that they can be quite specific and direct or this is just sort of michael cohen telling his story. >> my experience from most congressional hearings of this scope there's a lot of pregame, and they've already explored certain avenues. they already have a lot of his previous testimony from other appearances, so i think they're going to have a more structured thing. but i do think you're going to see the matt gaetz types of the world come in and blow things and have shenanigans. up next more insight on what could happen tomorrow. i'll talk to tony schwartz, who's the ghost writer of the president's memoir, the art of the deal. what he expects when we continue. this is dell cinema technology
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felon saying he looks forward to testifying publicly on capitol hill. after pleading guilty to several chargers, still he could shed light on a number of things. after all he is unique first-hand insight on the trump organization for ten years. joining me now is tony schwartz who wrote the president's 1987 memoir, trump the art of the deal, more recent contributor to the dangerous case of donald trump. you believe this is historic moment? >> unequivocally. it kind of gives me a chill when i think i'm old enough, unfortunately, to have been there when john dean testified before congress, when alexander butterfield revealed nixon had tapes. this could be a big moment. >> potentially. from what you know from michael cohen, he had access to a lot of information about -- >> yeah, and we already know he's planning on accusing him of criminal activity, that he's going to accuse him of lying and
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cheating. right. so what we know is that it's going to be an accusation that if true would demand that trump be impeached and convicted. now, that's a political calculation in the end. but on any legitimate grounds if what cohen says tomorrow is true, it should mean the end of the trump presidency. >> i wonder what -- but the white house obviously is not waiting for this. sarah sanders has come out and said, look, he's a convicted felon, an admitted liar, all of which is true. he was a liar while he was working for donald trump. he lied during the campaign when he was defending donald trump, and clearly he lied in front of congress. but she works for somebody who lies repeatedly as well. >> well, yes, even that wouldn't mean that cohen couldn't be lying again, and we don't know for sure. but my strong guess is he's going to produce some pretty considerable documentary
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evidence that what he's saying is true. what's interesting for the republicans and you can see it already, is that the only possible way to go here is to go after his credibility. >> matt gaetz, i mean to answer that question, you know, congressman, republican, huge supporter of the president. he prides himself on that. you know, sent out this tweet that we talked about earlier on the program. it's -- when i read the tweet i -- you know, he says it's not a threat. it's hard to read it as anything other than -- what was the movie and there was some blackmailer, you know, saying to somebody on the phone testify tomorrow and, you know, do they know about does your father-in-law, does your wife know about your girlfriends? a lot's going to come out tomorrow. i mean, this is sitting congressman. it's just the behavior of a thug. >> well, yeah. and listen, trump has gathered around him including to be fair cohen himself a group of thugs
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and miscreants and grifters and lowlives for his entire career. and the only people who will stand up and defend him now tend to be those very people who he has always sought out. >> but to me something about this tweet in particular. i mean, you know, i don't know matt gaetz personally, you know, nothing wrong with him being a strong defender of the president. but he's a career politician. his dad has been a politician. for him, you know -- i still have this idea of some sort of dignity in public service and dignity in the halls of the capitol and congress and senate. and for a sitting congressman to send out a tweet in which one of the lines is, you know, do you think your wife is going to stay faithful while you're in prison, like, this is what he's doing? >> no, i mean, the incivility that now characterizes political
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discourse is extraordinary. but we know exactly where that came from. that came from thousands and thousands of words that have come out of trump's mouth himself. now, trump's done very much the same kind of thing. in fact, he himself accused and threatened cohen's father-in-law. this is the way in which the trump administration does business because it's really like a -- family. >> the american people have going to have to opportunity to see michael cohen probably talking in a way we've never seen him talking before. because every tv appearance he's been on in the past, you know, he was the pitbull thug. thug defender of donald trump, like, you know, wannabe thug, pretend thug. >> i thought a lot about the issue of redemption as you can imagine, having done "the art of the deal" with trump. i want to believe in the capacity of for redemption. i'm talking about myself.
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>> like you feel like -- >> endless. >> because you wrote "the art of the deal" you feel you need to redeem yourself for that. >> without question. the reason i come on shows like yours is to try to right some of the damage that i think that book -- of course i didn't have any idea that it would do that, but what i did know at the time was trump was a bad man and i made an expedient choice to write that book. i'm not the same person i was 30 years ago and part of the reason i'm not is because the experience with trump prompted me to take my life in such a different direction. i am willing to believe -- in fact, my gut tells me that michael cohen, however hideous his behaviors have been in the past, really does want to redeem himself. i actually believe that. >> we'll see tomorrow. tony schwartz, always good to talk to you. thank you. there's potentially huge
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want, they, the most important in my life want me to run. i have not made a final decision, but don't be surprised. >> what else did the former vice president have to say today? >> reporter: well, anderson, i've been traveling around the country with joe biden for the past few months, and this is the most revealing answer i've heard him give when it comes to his 2020 decision making process. and he says he's cleared that major hurdle as family considerations have been at the top of his list, saying there's now a consensus among his family they do want to see him run in 2020. he did say he had some concerns about the president -- president trump might approach biden's family during a campaign. but for the most part the biden family now does appear to seem -- appears to be onboard with the 2020 run. biden also noted that he wants to make sure the campaign isn't
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a fools errand and they have all the pieces in place should he decide to run. take a listen. >> i -- i can die a happy man never having lived in the white house. but what i don't want to do is i don't want to take people's time, effort and commitment without there being a clear shot that i could be the nominee. i think we can. i think that's where we are, but there's still a couple of hurdles to go through to make sure we have all this in place. and if we conclude that, i will announce i'd run for president. but, you know -- >> just say yes. >> well, but i'm not there yet. >> so biden heard those words of encouragement here from a home state crowd in delaware. and while he seems to have worked through some of those family considerations, anderson,
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it's still very clear there are other factors still weighing on his mind. >> yeah, it seems like i mean i guess he's still talking to advisers. did he describe what exactly those factors were that still weren't in place? >> reporter: he did. he talked through some of those issues that he wants to see addressed. we really haven't heard him go into that specific detail just quite yet, but he talked about wanting to make sure of social media engagement, they have a good strategy on that, talked about fund-raising, saying he wouldn't be part of any super pack. and also noted he hasn't had some republican donors saying they might want to help out a campaign. and saying the appeal for a biden run runs deep. biden says he's very close to making a decision, but sources i've spoken to say it's highly unlikely any formal announcement will come before april. >> if in fact the former vice president does plan to announce
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the then jeff zeleny plans to spend the next 18 months following contenders and we thank him for that. how big do you think this is? >> particularly the family, that has been an underlying question here. is his family up for this run? we know one thing joe biden wants to be president. this would be the third time that he's running. but he said, you know, flat out that there is a consensus among his family to run. so i think it was a pretty big step today. but, anderson, i detected something else, that he knows he's a front-runner immediately. he know he's going to have all the arrows toward him. so i heard humility from him in saying, look, we're trying to figure out it to see if if we can mount this type of campaign. i just i was trying to lower expectations a little bit if he decides to jump in. all signs is there's a campaign essentially ready to go once he gives the signal. >> did you give any sense if
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biden knows how to run against trump? >> that is an essential question here, but i think one of the reasons, one of the things he knows is pennsylvania, for example. that is one of the things that worries the president and his advisers the most. joe biden knows how to talk to working class voters. he knows how to sort of bring this coalition together. so i do think he knows how to run against president trump. i think the trickier path for him is the democratic primary. is he the person who fits the moment, the mood the energy of this democratic primary? he is not a shoe in by any means at all. he would have to make the argument that he is the best one positioned to defeat the president and the best one to govern. but, anderson, there is a sense talking to voters, i was in iowa this weekend and a lot of people like joe biden, they say, look, we like everything he stands for but is it time for a new fresh face? so he would have to contend with those concerns long before the idea of taking on president trump. >> biden also said if he were to
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run he would not accept money from a super pack. is that a move to appeal to bernie sanders or elizabeth warren? they made pledges to keep big money out of their campaigns. >> he cannot do it like he used to, but the question is he will still have to will people send in $10 every month to support joe biden? i'm not sure about that. but a superpact at this point is pretty much what virtually everyone is doing. that's easy. the question is can he raise the money? >> let's check in with chris. >> i don't think raising the money is going to be the issue. it's going to be how does he shape the message and become the messenger his party wants right now. will that party decide it's soul is in a new spot and it wants to fight a new fight and embrace the diversity of this country and is joe biden checking that box or do they say we need to
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beat trump and is joe biden checking that box. it's an interesting calculation for him personally. in the back of his mind and his heart, this is a race his son bo may have run. think about that. think about how emotionally confusing he is. that's going to be a real point of entry going forward. that race doesn't start until he decides whether he's in or not. we have reporting to flush around the context of why tomorrow is going to be a historic occasion. >> do you think it will be? >> 100%. this will be the day that will be a pivot point in this entire situation about when it became clear that this president does or does not have trouble. >> chris, we'll look forward to that in about 8.5 minutes. coming up next, he was kicked out of the country after interviewing the dictator there.
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not long after they began an interview with venezuela's president maduro. he got up from the interview after he was shown a video shot by univision, or actually shot by jorge of young people eating out of a garbage truck. they were put in a security room and the lights were turned off. i spoke to him before air time. >> you have just come back to the united states after being detained in venezuela and removed from the country. explain what happened when you sat down with maduro. >> i started the interview asking him if he was a president or a dictator. he didn't like that and then the
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interview went on for about 17 minutes. it was a contentious interview, i have to admit. tough questions. and then he was saying that the revolution, the venezuelan revolution had been a success. i told him that was not the case and i show him on my ipad they were behind the trash truck eating the trash. >> that's video you shot yourself or your crew shot. >> exactly. >> the day before with my cell phone. we were driving through and i saw these three kids incredibly hungry. they were eating trash. and then i asked them what's happening? why are you doing that? and they told me we are very hungry and maduro is responsible and we need a new president. so when i was doing the interview, i just show him what had happened and he just couldn't take it. he broke. he stood up. he tried to cover the image and then he said the interview is
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over. and i told him, why don't you just simply answer the question? this is what dictators do. and then he left. and they confiscated our four cameras. the video cards for the interviews were kept. and a few minutes later they confiscated our cell phones. we were detained for two hours. some agents and body guards put me in a little room, in a dark room and they forcefully took my backpack and my cell phone and this was happening in venezuela. so he didn't like the interview. so they took our cameras. our video. they detained us for two hours and then they expel they morning from venz withezuela. >> was it u.s. officials or mexican officials? >> venezuelan agents were outside of the hotel the whole night so nobody could come in and we couldn't leave.
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they wanted to make sure that we were going to go directly to the airport. we were deported from venezuela and this is really interesting, thanks to the u.s. department and thanks to the american embassy -- and it's an american embassy anderson because even though the relationship between venezuela and the united states has been broken because of maduro, the u.s. does not recognize maduro as the real president. so there's a u.s. embassy and they helped us into vehicles with body guards and the mexican embassy with an extra vehicle to go all the way safely from the hotel to the airport. it was -- it was a difficult moment because we didn't know what could happen. it's a dictatorship and they can do anything they want. and we were concerned at the airport they could have
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kidnapped us or kept us in the country without our permission, obviously. >> well, i'm glad you and your crew are back and safe but obviously our thoughts are with the people left behind. >> absolutely. >> and the struggle that is going on there. jorge ramos. thank you so much. >> thank you anderson. >> the news continues now. i want to hand it over to chris cuomo. >> thank you, anderson. welcome to primetime. michael cohen told the senate intel committee things they had not heard before and that's probably just the beginning. tomorrow is going to be a day that will be remembered. the day we saw whether this president does or does not have a real problem. what can cohen say? you keep hearing that asked. it's not the right question. what can he show. that's the right question and we have unique insight for you on that point. we have an idea of what democrats want to ask cohen tomorrow. how about the republicans? we have o

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