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wifi, this is xfi. simple. easy. awesome. xfinity, the future of awesome. this is cnn breaking news. hello, everybody. welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour. from hanoi, with president trump and kim jong-un wrapping up their second summit, but without any agreement. >> and i'm jim sciutto. we're following the testimony on capitol hill from michael cohen, the cloud hanging over the negotiations in hanoi. >> the historic summit, we keep
calling them historic summits between donald trump and kim jong-un have ended, though trump did say it wasn't unpleasant, there just wasn't anything to sign. despite early indications there might be. they didn't even meet for a scheduled working lunch. the table was set, the menus, they were going to have this lunch. but, no. >> and no commitment to a third summit, the president said at the press conference. >> probably the right thing right now. >> probably, considering they didn't make any discernible progress. the president explaining as best he could what happened. >> on north korea, we just left chairman kim. we had a really, i think, a very productive time. we thought, and i thought, and secretary pompeo felt, that it
wasn't a good thing to be signing anything. i'm going to let mike speak about it. but we literally just left. we spent pretty much all day with kim jong-un, who is, he's quite a guy. and quite a character. and i think our relationship is very strong. but at this time, we had some options, and we decided not to do any of the options. and we'll see where that goes. >> the talks taking place here with the cloud hanging over the president at home in the u.s. trump also took a swipe at the other big story we've been following these last days, the congressional testimony of michael cohen. here was the president's response. >> it's very interesting, because i tried to watch as much as i could. i wasn't able to watch too much, because i've been a little bit busy. but i think having a fake hearing like that and having it
in the middle of they could have made it two days later or next week and it would have been even better. they would have had more time. but having it during this very important summit is sort of incredible. and he lied a lot, but it was very interesting because he didn't lie about one thing. he said no collusion with the russian hoax. and i said i wonder why he didn't just lie about that too like he did with everything else. he didn't say that, he said no collusion. and i was, you know, a little impressed by that, frankly. he could have gone all out. he only went about 95% instead of 100%. >> so quite a lot to unpack from that statement. first, the president saying that he regretted that washington seemed to have chosen this particular summit moment to hold that particular hearing. and he seemed to praise michael
cohen for what he said not saying there was any collusion. tell us what you read into what the president just said. >> reporter: well, first of all, christiane, i think we have to point out the obvious which is the president steered clearly largely during this audience of the white house press corp and chose journalists at random. at timess he was calling on reporters from russian state media, chinese state media, shawn hannity from fox, and largely just avoiding taking questions i think that was by design. that was because he didn't want to really answer the questions about michael cohen. one question out of this entire news conference about michael cohen was asked of the president. as you heard there in that comment you just played a few moments ago, the president referring to the michael cohen testimony as a fake hearing.
and the president was also cherry picking what he liked from michael cohen's testimony, basically saying he was lying all the way through his entire hearing except for the part where he said that the president, according to the president, was not guilty of any kind of collusion with the russians. and so it was a very, you know, sort of trumpian response to all of that. i think when you talk about what happened with the north korean dictator kim jong-un and the summit falling apart here in hanoi, the president was a bit more candid about it. he was saying that basically he wanted to walk away from the negotiating table, that kim jong-un wanted basically all sanctions lifted in exchange for some drastic reductions to his nuclear program, and the president said he just wasn't willing to do that. one of the questions that i think could have been asked during this news conference and wasn't asked, and i think it will be something that's asked going forward, is that the president now for the second time has surrendered some of the credibility of the united states, surrendered some of the
credibility of the presidency of the united states in exchange for sitting down with a dictator who claims to be a very good person and so on, but walking away from these negotiations really empty-handed. and perhaps the most striking and bizarre moment of this news conference is when he gave kim jong-un really a pass on the death of the american otto warmbier, at one point saying that kim jong-un felt badly about the death of otto warmbier. so he really seems to take the word of the north korean dictator, kim jong-un, when it comes to just about any question, you know, that came up during this news conference. and i think that is perhaps part of the reason why he's willing to hold yet another summit with kim jong-un although as you heard there towards the end of this news conference, he said that may not happen for quite a while. it might be, you know, twice bitten, once shy the next time around, christiane and jim. he may not be willing to go down
this road because he knows he's surrendering some of that stature to be standing on the same stage, sitting at the same tiebl with a brutal dictator and really not showing much for it. but in the end the president tried during this news conference to steer clear of these michael cohen questions. those are all going to be waiting for him after his long trip back to washington. christiane and jim. >> no question, jim. and that moment where the president referred to the death of otto warmbier, a young american sent home brain dead, on the brink of death, and died on his way home, and the president saying in so many words, he takes kim's word over the world really of his own intelligence community. and just to put a point on that, let's play the president's comments when asked. >> he felt badly about it. i did speak to him. he felt very badly. he knew the case very well, but he knew it later. and, you know, you've got a lot of people. big country. a lot of people. and in those prisons and those
camps, you have a lot of people and some really bad things happened to otto. some really, really bad things. >> why are you willing -- >> but he tells me he didn't know about it, and i will take him at his word. >> it's reminiscent, is it not, of the helsinki moment where the president took the word of vladimir putin denying interference in the election over the word of his intelligence community. john kirby, you've both in the pentagon and in the state department have dealt with difficult issues like this when countries abroad have mistreated americans. tell me your reaction to that. >> i was quite shocked by that. we're talking about a hereditary dynasty. as will knows, nothing much happens without kim jong-un's permission, or at least his tacit understanding of what's going on. so i fond that quite shocking and disappointing, and i can't imagine what the warmbier family must be thinking when they hear something like that. >> kim jong-un might not have known initially how otto warmbier was being treated but he certainly knew about the deception that he was in a veg
tathive state, and it was hidden from the united states until the very last hour. i was actually in the country at the same time, and it was kept secret from us that this was all unfolding until otto was out of north korea. >> can i ask you to go back and sort of build on this sort of style of president trump's. when he wants to get something, he's absolutely unwilling to criticize his enter lock for whether it's on otto warmbier, sanctions, the walkout. he refused to say it was an unfriendly walkout. this was a friendly walkout. i'm mindful of our relationship. we need to keep going. we didn't talk about putting more sanctions on in answer to a question they wanted all the sanctions off, but did you even threatened to put more sanctions on unless they deliver? no, we didn't because there's already a lot of sanctions and the great north korean people need to live as well. just unpick the style of trying to get a nuclear deal done by
continuing to stick close to the leader and not criticize him personally. >> i think it's because he realizes again, nothing really happens in north korea without kim jong-un, and kim jong-un's approval. we're not dealing with a democracy there. so, you know, this is what you call a personal summit versus a plenary or political summit. and i think he realizes that that's the fulcrum. and i quite frankly think that kim jong-un also looks at us in that way. like trump's a different kind of president, and unless he deals detective directly with trump, nothing's going to happen. steve biegun was having difficulty getting any kind of traction. the north koreans wouldn't deal with him or couldn't deal credibly with him because everything has to be solved at the leader level. that's part of the problem here. personal summits are only going to get you so far. what i'm going to be interested to see, two things going forward. one, how do the north koreans react to this? we've seen trump. now we have to wait to see what comes out of the north korean press agency. number two, what is the next step in terms of discussions
between the two teams? where, when, and at what level are they actually going to start to negotiate this way forward? >> when you're dealing with someone who has absolute power in a country like north korea, focusing on kim jong-un is not an unwise strategy because everything in that country, there's such heavy pressure to do whatever kim jong-un wants you to do. high level officials are not even drinking alcohol right now while he's out of the country because they say they shouldn't be celebrating until he comes back. they don't think it's appropriate. i mean that's like kids when their parents leave town, and that's the mind set in north korea. >> or drowning their sorrow. >> it undermines the idea that kim would not know about the situation with an american-held hostage there. bigger picture, the president talks about his different approach, how past administrations didn't try this. i am sitting down across from kim the way past administrations were not able to. but at the end of the day, is this not a continuation of a decades-long north korean strategy of dragging it out? >> yeah. >> you've been speaking to the american president face to face for months here. it's the u.s. intelligence
community's view that during that time period, they've been making more missiles and manufacturing more fissile material. >> right. >> that's a continuation of their brinksmanship, is it not? what's the game? >> practically i don't think in a real sense, other than the freeze in testing, we're really all that different. they're still producing fissile material. they are still building weapons. they are still developing the technology to have an icbm that can mount a nuclear weapon. they don't have re-entry all done, but they're still working on that. just because he's not testing doesn't mean that they're not trying. they've still trying to move this forward. this does show -- and i think will said this in the last segment -- the intractability of this problem, how complicated it is. trump has tried something different in terms of the personal interax actiointeracti think he should get some credit for that. what really matters now is what happens next and where are they willing to go? at what level are they going to talk and at what frequency? >> is this a situation now
where -- and many people have said it was great that it started top-down, but now it needs to be bottom-up so to speak. the working groups need to get down to see what's the art of the possible. >> that's the real trick, christiane, because it's about empowerment. our team will be empowered. they will have the imprimatur of pompeo and trump. biegun knows that he can speak for the united states. but on the north korean side, it's not the same. >> it will not be authorized to make any big promise until it gets approved straight from the top. that's why the working level talks essentially fell apart in july. >> big picture here. when the president is challenged on the definition of success here, established by his administration, complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization, when the president is asked, is that still the position of the united states, and his answer is, i don't want to go there. i don't want to paint myself into that corner in terms of negotiations, and then says, we want a lot to be given up but
doesn't specify we want the whole program given up, did the president just move the goal post on these negotiations? >> i think that's been kim jong-un's strategy here all along because the freeze in nuclear testing happened in november of 2017 before this detente even began and certainly before president trump was engaged, was brought into it by kim and president moon jae-in. i think kim's long-term strategy is that the world eventually gets comfortable with him and comfortable with the fact that he possesses a couple of dozen nuclear weapons and as long as he's not testing them, maybe we can live with that. >> the clock is on his side, jim. he knows that trump's not popular. i'm sure he was aware of this cohen testimony and where trump's numbers are and in two years he may be sitting across the table from a very different president who will be far less accommodating. so the clock really is on kim's side. i just don't see him making any big moves here over the next couple of years to give up what he considers to be his leverage and his advantage. >> we're going to dig down more on this as we continue, but we're going to have to take a break. let's not forget actually there have been deals made with the
north koreans under the clinton administration, under the george w. bush administration, and it is possible -- it is possible to do. we'll see how we get there. just ahead, a stunning day it was on capitol hill. when we come back after a break, we are going to be talking about the republican strategy for dealing with michael cohen's testimony.
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he lied a lot, but it was very interesting because he didn't lie about one thing. he said no collusion with the russian hoax. and i said, i wonder why he didn't just lie about that too like he did about everything else. >> with his former boss on the other side of the world, michael cohen of course is going to head into a third and final closed-door congressional hearing that is today. that after his testimony yesterday, the president referring to there. >> of course it did follow a day of stunning allegations on capitol hill. the u.s. president's former lawyer called donald trump a racist. he called him a con man and a cheat, and cohen also said that mr. trump had directed him to pay hush money to two women. he submitted a $14,000 check signed by mr. trump as proof, and here's what he said about it.
>> the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> lso that was a $35,000 check. >> slightly larger. while democrats tried to get any new information that they could, republican lawmakers made their strategy clear very early in this hearing. attack cohen's credibility at every turn. >> how long did you work in the white house? >> i never worked in the white house. >> that's the point, isn't it, mr. cohen? >> no, sir. >> yes, sir. >> no, it's not, sir. >> you wanted to work in the white house. >> no, sir. >> you didn't get brought to the dance. >> you're a pathological liar. you don't know truth from falsehood. >> i'm sorry. are you referring to me or the president? >> hey, this is my time. >> are you referring to me, sir, or the president? >> did the president or his
company ever inflate assets or rev knrevenues? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> how many times did mr. trump ask you to threaten an individual or entity on his behalf? >> quite a few times. >> 50 times? >> more. >> 100 times? >> more. >> 200 times? >> more. >> 500 times? >> probably. >> now, during his testimony, cohen also said that donald trump directed him to cover up the payment to the adult film actress stormy daniels, who alleges that she and mr. trump had an affair back in 2006. >> cohen said that the president would call him to make sure that he continued to cover for him and that story. >> did the president call you to coordinate on public messaging about the payments to
ms. cliffords in or around february 2018? >> yes. >> what did the president ask or suggest you say about the payments or reimbursements? >> he was not knowledgeable of these reimbursements, and he wasn't knowledgeable of my actions. >> he asked you to say that? >> yes, ma'am. >> are you telling us, mr. cohen, that the president directed transactions in conspiracy with allen weisselberg and his son, donald trump jr., as part of a civil -- as part of a criminal conspiracy of financial fraud? is that your testimony today? >> yes. >> quite an allegation. trump's former fixer also told lawmakers that mr. trump knew that his longtime adviser, roger stone, reached out to wikileaks and that they were planning to release hacked e-mails from hillary clinton stolen by russia, we should note, and that the president was aware in advance.
>> it was a short conversation, and he said, mr. trump, i just want to let you know that i just got off the phone with julian assange, and in a couple of days, there's going to be a massive dump of e-mails that's going to severely hurt the clinton campaign. >> the reason i ask is because on july 22nd, on the eve of the democratic convention, wikileaks published, as you know, the 20,000 leaked internal dnc e-mails. could your meeting with mr. trump have been before that date? >> yes. >> so mr. trump was aware of the upcoming dump before it actually happened? >> yes. >> it was quite a moment in the hearing there because it gets to whether the trump administration, the trump campaign of course at the time, was given forewarning in effect by russia to what it was going to release. michelle kosinski has been traveling with the president. the president in his press
conference a short time ago claimed that michael cohen exonerated him of collusion with russia when, in fact, cohen said the president had foreknowledge of the release of the hillary clinton e-mails via wikileaks, but also that you knew about that famous trump tower meeting in june 2016 when russians offered dirt on hillary clinton. this at least according to michael cohen. >> reporter: right. i think obviously the president -- and he was restrained in his answers on this. as soon as we heard that inevitable question coming, you kind of braced yourself and knew this could be the moment where he lets it all out, really lets loose over all of those allegations that cohen let fly yesterday, which dominated the news cycle and continued to. but he was so restrained. he simply said that cohen was incorrect. he did call it a fake hearing, talked about cohen lying, but then went right to what he sees as no collusion. so the president wants to make this look as good as possible for him. he hit on his usual buzzwords,
hoax, witch hunt, you know, fake. but he wanted to say that, you know, cohen basically agreed with him that there was no collusion. and cohen himself was restrained on some of these points, that he didn't go so far as to say that president trump was doing any of the directing. so the devil is always in the details here, and that's some of what congress people are going to want to know today. you know, the extent of what trump knew according to michael cohen. knowing about something doesn't necessarily mean you know the full picture of it. it doesn't mean that you had a hand in it. it doesn't mean that you were directing it. and that could be the difference between what exactly president trump is accused of doing in the end. of course we're all going to have to wait and see what comes out of the mueller investigation. but digging down is going to lend a lot of light on some of the broad strokes and certain of these incidents that cohen painted. but, you know, you knew that the
president was going to want to say there's nothing definitive in there that says that i or possibly my entire campaign was actually colluding with the russians. of course, you know, that definition can be blurry too depending on who is interpreting all of this. i think that president trump's responses to this could have gone off the rails as we've seen him do before as soon as the subject comes up. but something was keeping him extremely restrained. he kept it brief, hit his points, and moved on. >> michelle, you know, the president was unhappy that the congress decided to schedule this hearing right in the middle of a very, very important national security summit. and, you know, there is some merit to that complaint by the president. i do remember, of course, that president clinton was in the middle of being impeached when he was also taking action against the iraqis back in the winter of 1998, and people were,
you know, questioning the timing of all that. politically, do you think congress will face any backlash just for their timing of holding this hearing? i mean couldn't it have waited a couple of days? >> reporter: you really can never -- especially now, you can never fully separate politics out of this. of course democrats will get backlash for some of that. but they will respond that this is a bigger issue domestically than, you know. many of them expected not much to come out of this summit in the first place. it is unfortunate, but democrats also faced backlash for bringing this witness in particular, for making this a public spectacle, and on and on. so of course this political back and forth is going to continue, but i think it's remarkable that when republicans were fighting what was going on yesterday, you didn't see a whole lot of defense of the president. it was almost like the best they could do was attack that
witness's credibility, and they were right to do so. that witness does have a credibility issue, but of course so does the president of the united states. >> you can fairly say it's been a difficult 24 hours for this president. you had his longtime lawyer and fixer testifying on capitol hill to really a wave of lies and corruption. whether you believe him or not, that was the focus. then here you had what could only be described as a disappointing result to these negotiations, a second summit with the north korean leader. we have a lot more to talk about, and we're going to be right back after this break. try new clean freak! it has three times the cleaning power of the leading spray to dissolve kitchen grease on contact. and it's great for bathrooms! just keep pumping the power nozzle to release a continuous burst of mist and make quick work of big jobs. it even works on stainless steel. it cuts through 100% of dirt, grease and grime. available with easy-to-swap refills.
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concluded with no result summit here in hanoi between president trump and kim jong-un. donald trump's second summit with the north korean leader ended with no formal agreement on anything to be frank except to try to continue a process that's already been started by these two leaders. >> right. they did call the discussions constructive but acknowledged and secretary pompeo as well saying they wanted north korea to give more to get further. they didn't get there. trump held this news conference just a short time ago. he says he could have made a deal. he could have signed a deal with kim jong-un on the spot, but that north korea was only willing to partially denuclearize, and that was the key issue there. and at the same time, they apparently wanted the full lifting of the sanctions in return for partial denuclearization. >> that's certainly what we're hearing from the u.s. side. we're also hearing some comments from south korea, from china, all the interested parties. the president says kim jong-un has promised -- and this is important -- not to resume missile tests or nuclear tests. but it wanted, as jim said, all sanctions lifted.
the president said sanctions lifted in their entirety, and that was a step he wasn't ready to take at this time. >> welill all the sanctions tha are currently in existence remain, sir? >> they're in place. a lot of folks said, oh, we've given up. we haven't given up anything. frankly i think we'll end up being very good friends with chairman kim and north korea. i think they have tremendous potential. i've been telling everybody they have tremendous potential, unbelievable potential. but we're going to see. but it was about sanctions. i mean they wanted sanctions lifted, but they weren't willing to do an area that we wanted. they were willing to give us areas but not the ones we wanted. >> it's really interesting. president trump constantly refers to the north koreans' tremendous potential, and it's no secret that the delegation -- the u.s. delegation hoped that vietnam, hanoi in particular, would be a bit of an example, a bit of a lure for kim jong-un. this is a communist country like
his, but it has a thriving market economy after its war with the united states ended. so let's bring in correspondents will ripley and paula hancocks to dig down a little more on what just happened and what might be ahead. paula, i want to start with you because of south korea's stake so much on all of this going well. we've had a fairly open and honest two-liner from the south koreans. >> absolutely, yes. we had a statement from a south korean diplomat saying the whole world was waiting for an agreement. so were we. we're as perplexed as anybody else around the world. in eight years, that's the most open statement i've ever heard from the south korean government, which just shows how much they had riding on this. i mean president moon jae-in staked his credibility on this. he really put himself out there. he put up with being called an appeaser by the u.s. president at one point. he was desperate to get the two sides talking. and don't forget he's waiting for kim jong-un to come to seoul. that was supposed to be the next step. they were waiting to see how
well this went, and then they were hoping in the springtime kim jong-un was come to seoul. >> he was supposed to come at the end of last year, and that didn't happen. the thought was this summit would waipave the way. >> it's reminiscent of the prior summit because the south koreans then were surprised, it seems were not given a heads-up by president trump at the time that the president was going to stop joint u.s./south korea military exercises. he did. there was some surprise then. it struck me. the president there acknowledging that he still had to call the south koreans to update them on the results of the talks. would that be something of a surprise not to give them the call the moment you walk out in light of the closeness of the relationship? >> he said it would be his first call on ars force one headed back. >> well, he did. but he did have some time between the collapse of those talks and coming to give the press conference. >> you assume with such close allies that would be a given. we've been hearing from south korean officials they were hoping for a call before he got
onto air force one so they know the situation. you mentioned the military drills. that's really interesting because when they asked whether or not these military drills were going to go ahead, they usually happen end of february. i understand preparations are ongoing at this moment. they haven't been told that they've been canceled. i mean did the u.s. president cancel these massive spring drills? i mean i -- >> or he said he want the south korea to reimburse him for them because he kept talking about how expensive they are. hundreds of millions of dollars to fly in bombers from guam. >> now in the substance of where this leaves us in the ongoing process to denuclearize north korea, there are two issues here. one, that there was no agreement signed. perhaps we overinflated and overexpected, as we can see president trump with these live pictures. he's on the tarmac at the airport here in hanoi, ready to board air force one and head back to washington. >> and leaving early, we should note. they were supposed to have a working lunch. they were supposed to have a signing ceremony.
the press conference moved up. none of that happened. >> i'm always reluctant to sign the death knell. it is a process. obviously south koreans pronounced themselves perplexed. i guess where does this go from here? >> when you have the two leaders of a country come all this way, and you walk away with nothing, this is a process, but this was not the process anyone was expecting, not the north kore s koreans, not the united states, not the japanese. ev this has caught everyone off guard. >> yeah. >> and it was president trump's negotiating style to say, this isn't the deal that's going to work. i'm going to walk away. a lot of people thought he might acquiesce and give some sort of a dangerous concession in the view of military experts say we can reduce or pull out u. trosa troops from the korean peninsula and make an end of war
declaration. and he didn't do that. >> the concern even inside his administration going in was that he would overconcede rather than underconcede. listen, credit where credit is due. the president didn't get what he wanted from the north koreans and was willing to walk away, which by the way is straight out of "the art of the deal." he will say when you reach an impasse, sometimes you have to walk away from the people. >> if it's true the north koreans asked for the entirety of sanctions to be lifted, that is beyond the pale. it's strange because we've heard from experts in the past that what they were hoping for, not that they were looking for all the sanctions to be lifted, but measure for measure. so the u.s. would do something. they would do something. this constant process. so that for me at the moment is quite confusing. i mean did kim jong-un misread the entire situation and think that, you know, he could give a little here and a little there and stop his missile testing and his nuclear testing which people
believe he doesn't need at the moment because they've done enough testing to perfect -- >> it's a great point because you talk about what folks at home expect. there were expectations that donald trump would make progress here. he's returning with no progress. there were expectations in south korea. moon with an enormous amount invested. and granted north korea is no democracy. but -- >> but their state media was glowing about this summit. >> exactly, and he stuck his neck out to some degree, you can say, here, advertising this summit as perhaps a great opportunity although i suppose there's also -- >> i suspect they'll spin it in a positive way. >> the north koreans? >> the north koreans will spin this in a positive way. >> the fact that on state tv as you mentioned, they were still talking about how well yesterday went as the meeting was wrapping up. >> they certainly won't criticize. >> they didn't see this coming. as far as i'm concerned, this is not the north koreans who have done this because they were still touting what a wonderful success this was as the two leaders were walking away. >> i would be very surprised if the north koreans publicly
criticized president trump even if he was the one who walked out because there strategy has been all along, praise him, criticize his opponents. how do you square that with if it was the president himself who made that call -- >> well, there's the spin and there's reality. there's going to be a lot of spin in these next 24 hours. >> president trump was very carefully not to criticize kim jong-un. >> true. he wants to keep the lines of communication open. that's a letter place to be than we were about a year ago when you had fire and fury and the size of nuclear buttons, et cetera. that's a better place to be, but certainly a long way to go. stay with us. we have a lot more to discuss. we'll be back right after this break. quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent. bounty, the quicker picker upper.
roughly seven hours in public on wednesday. and if you missed it, here are some of the key moments from his testimony. >> i am ashamed of my own failings. and publicly accepted responsibility for them by pleading guilty in the southern district of new york. i am ashamed of my weakness and misplaced loyalty, of the things that i did for mr. trump in an effort to protect and promote him. i am ashamed that i chose to take part in concealing mr. trump's illicit acts rather than listening to my own conscience. i'm ashamed because i know what mr. trump is. he is a racist. he is a conman. and he is a dheet. cheat. >> you made some very demeaning comments about the president that miss patten doesn't agree
with. in fact it has to it with your claim of racism. she says that as a daughter of a man born in birmingham, alabama, that there is no way that she would work for an individual who is racist. >> neither should i as the son of a holocaust survivor. >> if this statement back here doesn't say it all, cohen's consciousness of wrongdoing fleeting. his remorse is minimal. his remorse is nonexistent. he said i didn't do anything wrong with the bank things i'm guilty of and coming in to prison for. >> that's not what i said and you know that's not what i said. i pled guilty and i take responsibility for my actions. >> time has expired. >> shame on you, mr. jordan. that's not what i said. shame on you.
>> mr. chairman -- >> what i said is i took responsibility and i take responsibility. what i was doing is explaining to the gentleman that his facts are inaccurate. i take responsibility for my mistakes, all right? i am remorseful. and i'm going to prison. i will be away from my wife and family for years. so before you turn around and cast more dispersions, please understand that there are people watching that know me. i own the mistakes and i didn't fight with the southern district of new york. what i did to is i pled guilty and i'm going to be again going to prison. >> was mr. stone a free agent reporting back to the president what he had done or was he an agent of the campaign acting on behalf of the president and with his apparent authority?
>> he was a free agent. >> a free agent that was reporting back to the agent what he had done? >> correct. he frequently reached out to mr. trump and mr. trump was very happy to take his calls. it was free service. >> roger stone says he never spoke with mr. trump about wikileaks. how can we corroborate what you are saying? >> i don't know, but i suspect that the special counsel's office and other government agencies have the information that you are seeking. >> let's go back at this credibility. you want us to think of you as a real philanthropic icon, that you are the person that somebody would call at 3:00 in the morning. no, they wouldn't, not at all. we saw him dissect you. right in front of this committee, you conflicted your testimony sir. you are a pathological liar. you don't know truth from
falsehood. >> i'm sorry, are you referring to me or the president? >> there is my time. when i ask you a question, i'll ask for an answer. >> sure. >> did the president call you while you were having meeting with the reporter? >> yes. >> did the president call you to coordinate on public messaging about the payments to miss cliffords in or around february 2018? >> yes. >> what did the president act or suggest that you say about the payments or reimbursements? >> he was not knowledgeable of these reimbursements and he wasn't knowledgeable of my actions. >> he asked you to say that? >> yes, ma'am. >> more from michael cohen's hearing, what he said about the u.s. president's business dealings in russia and moscow's response. audible members know listening has the power to change us make us better parents, better leaders, better people. and there's no better place to listen than audible. with audible you get a credit
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welcome back to the program from hanoi. in the last seconds, air force one has departed from the airport here not far from our location as the second summit between president donald trump and north korea's leader kim jung-un is over. and it happened earlier than expected. and there was no agreement. it happened so quickly that the
leaders didn't even meet for lunch as they had planned. >> a change and disappointment. mr. trump said the talks reached an impasse because kim jung-un wanted all u.s. sanctions lifted immediately but was not willing to get rid of his nuclear weapons, only to dismantle one nuclear facility and the u.s. president spoke about it at a news conference just afterwards. his disappointment palpable. >> we just left chairman kim. we had a really -- i think a very productive time. we thought and i thought and secretary pompeo felt that it wasn't a good thing to be signing anything. >> and now to the other big story that we're following, donald trump's dealings with russia sparked questions throughout his presidential campaign. and he has denied any involvement. >> but during michael cohen's explosive appearance before a
congressional committee, this just yesterday, mr. trump's former lawyer and fixer for more than a decade said that his client repeatedly asked about the moscow tour -- trump tower project well into his presidential campaign and much longer than the president acknowledged. cohen says that he lied to protect mr. trump's chances of winning the election. let's go now to matthew chance in moscow. matthew, as you know this trump tower project has been central to these discussions here. particularly because it is now clear that the discussions continued well in to the campaign and including until after he was the republican nominee for president. >> reporter: that's right initially the trump campaign said that the negotiations to try to build a trump tower skyscraper in the russian capital ended in about january 2016, but we now know that they went on to at least june and
possibly beyond that as well. what michael cohen, trump's personal lawyer for more than a decade said in his congressional testimony yesterday, is that not only did donald trump know evof those ongoing negotiations, but he also dwrekdirected them and close personal contact with negotiations wild at the same time publicly stating that he had no business dealings in russia. why did he did that? well, michael cohen says he did it because he did not believe first of all that he was going to win the presidential elect and secondly because if that deal had gone through, donald trump stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars in that property deal. so like backing both horses trying to carry on with his business negotiations while going through the motions of a presidential campaign, not really believing that he was going to come to it. and of course the building never got billed. donald trump of course went on to become president. the kremlin says in response to
this that look, we were contacted of course about this trump tower deal, we directed the trump organization to the st. petersburg economic forum, put them in touch with businessmen involved in this, the kremlin says it has nothing to do with building projects, but we were never told the kremlin says that donald trump ways personal was personally involved in those negotiations. >> and this happening as you have president trump's domestic challenges happening in the midst of these crucial international negotiations. and clearly frustrating the president. >> that is sure. and he did talk about that. interesting about russia too, sergey lavrov was here in hanoi and was sort of crowing a bit about how the u.s. had asked russia for their advice. >> and the president thanked russia in the press conference
as well. >> that is all that we have time for right now. thanks for joining our special coverage of this summit, the second one between the u.s. president and north korean leader. it has just concluded and cnn's breaking news will continue. >> more news next on "early start." stay with us. ♪ t-mobile will do the math for you. right now, when you join t-mobile, you get two lines of unlimited with two of the latest phones included for just one hundred bucks a month. at air wick, we know that in nature, scent comes in waves... gently and beautifully... air wick essential mist is an expression of nature. transforming natural essential oils into a fragrant mist.
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