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he says he takes kim's word. >> it was striking. great coverage. we'll see you back here on monday. thank you all for being with us. i'm poppy harlow. hello everyone. michael cohen back on capitol hill and serving up another dose of revenge. right now donald trump's long time personal attorney is testifying behind closed doors one day after publically accusing the president of committing crimes while in office. today cohen faces the house intelligence committee and those lawmakers could have new lines of questioning after his explosive seven hour long testimony before another house committee yesterday. that was huge. but was all of it overnight in vietnam president trump walked away with no deal, walked away without even having lunch and also making a breath taking declaration saying that he believes kim that he knew
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nothing of otto warmbeir's dire condition. before boarding air force one to head home, the president took time to hit back at michael cohen. >> he lied a lot, but it was very interesting because he didn't lie about one thing. he said no collusion with the russian hoax. i said i wonder why he didn't lie about that too like everything else. i was impressed that he didn't say i thought there was collusion. he said no collusion. and i was a little impressed by that. >> so he believes him sometime apparently. michael cohen testifying behind closed doors right now i see chairman of house intelligence walking past you right there, adam schiff. tell me right now what you think lawmakers want to ask him today.
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>> well, this is just breaking up for votes. we are expecting a very long day. so far we're not getting clear sense of how much new they have learned. they have really been in the room for about 90 minutes so far. the way the questioning has been going is that democrats get an hour and republicans get an hour and it will go back and forth for some time. what schiff told me was that he wanted to drill down on a number of suggebjects that were not fu explored including how it came about that he went about lying to congress's very committee about the pursuit of the trump tow eer moscow project. the president said cohen was more involved than let on schiff said he wants to learn if there
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was a white house role and wants to know about the allegation that cohen made that roger stone told the president in his presence that stone had just spoken to julian assange and that there was going to be a big dump of e-mails to hurt the clinton campaign, something that the white house and stone have denied for some time. there is expected to be a lot more questions about that. the moment lawmakers just getting in ready for a very long day of questioning, ultimately, we'll see how much more light he sheds on all of this. >> absolutely. if yesterday is any precursor we know how long it can be. once cohen is done on capitol hill what are the next steps? joining me now democratic congressman of maryland. >> happy to be with you.
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>> after yesterday, do you believe michael cohen that the president committed crimes while in office? >> absolutely. he brought documentary evidence with him. so he clearly was involved in supervising the hush money payoffs to the various mistresses. yesterday we also learned that the president's lawyers reviewed the testimony that michael cohen gave to congress which was false and purgeurious. we are going to figure out exactly which lawyers we heard from were involved and what they did to alter or doctor his testimony to change the dates about the moscow project because remember the republicans who were jubilant in reviewing the fact that michael cohen is a convicted liar failed to tell everybody what he was convicted of lying for. he was lying for the president
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and saying that the president had stopped being involved in the moscow tower negotiations in january of 2016 when it went all the way through the summer i think it was. so it appears like the president himself through his lawyers was involved in the decision to commit that false testimony. >> i have another question about the moscow project in a second. if you believe that the president has committed a crime and this relates to the hush money payments during his time in office, what do you do next? >> that's a great question, the dilemma that the congress and the country face right now. we have a president who clearly is trying to turn the government of the united states into a money making operation as mr. cohen described it. he has been a cheat, fraud, tax fraud, committed insurance fraud. on the standards of the republicans in the clinton administration we would be clearly running full fledged into an impeachment campaign. they impeached bill clinton over
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telling one lie about sex. i think we have a higher standard here. just because you committed st statatory crimes doesn't mean it means impeachment. we want to see that these are offenses against the character of the republican ability to govern as a democracy. that is a hard question that the democrats will confront. i was very proud of the way the majority behaved yesterday. we were much more civil and composed. the republicans, all they can do is call michael cohen a liar. as i said, they are not upset that he lied to congress. they are upset that he stopped lying to congress. he stopped lying to congress for the president and yesterday he told us the truth. >> importantly, though, as you mentioned the concept of impeachment, frauom what your heard yesterday, do you believe,
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did you hear anything yesterday that you believe you should be investigating as an impeachable offense of the president? >> i think it is very serious that the president was involved in committing campaign finance offenses and involved in sending himself checks for hush money payoff payoffs and organizing hush money payoffs through various campaign and corporate devices. that's serious business in terms of getting yourself elected president of the united states. and they do begin to go oo the character of what kind of republic we are going to have. i think we are just scratching the surface in terms of knowing. we will probably get to the bottom of each of the lines of inquiry. >> you are not necessarily there yet. you talked about the moscow project. this comes down to this moment where michael cohen says that his statement to congress which he lied and he has admitted he
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has, he said the white house looked over it and worked with him on it. let me play for you that moment. >> each specific lawyers reviewed and edit your statement to congress and did they make changes to your statement? >> there were changes made, additions. >> were they changes about the timing? >> there were several changes that were made including how we were going to handle that message. >> seculo denies that he had any hand in changing the timing that the moscow deal was being discussed. who do you believe? >> first of all, there may have been other lawyers involved. this is what we have to get to the bottom of. unfortunately, of course, we are limited to five minutes questioning. i think i hit the buzzer right at that point when we were
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getting to the heart of the matter. i think that my colleagues on the intelligence committee today will follow-up with that. i know that we on the oversight committee will follow-up with it. >> when you mean do you want to bring him up? is that do you expect that to happen before your committee? >> sure. again, i'm not the chair of the committee. we absolutely need to know were the presidents' lawyers directly involved in the decision to lie to congress. this is what the republicans were so upset about yesterday that he had lied to congress. we want to know everybody involved in that plot. i think it is very unlikely that michael cohen decided to do it on his own. he was clearly acting as an agent of the president. i tend to believe that the presidents' lawyers coached him in the right direction and helped to shape the message that was in the testimony. >> there is almost unanimous reporting, congressman, that michael cohen wanted a role in
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the trump white house. this was somewhat of a focus in the hearing yesterday. did he want a job in the trump white house? he says he did not. michael cohen denied it over and over again yesterday under oath. do you think he perjured himself? >> the whole question is an irrelevant distraction. he brought documentary -- >> it more leads to credibility. >> he has no incentive to be lying at this point. everything he said was perfectly consistent and coherent. remember the republicans are upset because he stopped lying for the president. there are so many people going to jail who have been indicted and faced convictions and look at manafort and paige and look at stone and so on and so forth. they are not upset about those people. it is when you go against the president that they get upset.
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they want to call him a renegade or a traitor. i was impressed by this guy. he was a hard core republican, i think the vice chair for finance who said i'm going to stop trying. >> he is not a hard core republican. he was a democrat. he couldn't vote for trump in new york because he had not changed his party affiliation. >> doesn't he have a position. >> he became a republican only in order to hold that position. it is slightly confusing. >> it's not very confusing to me because the guy was a loyal trump partisan for more than ten years. i would love it if some republicans said let's ask him questions to find out what happened. none of them were asking questions about president trump. they were all meant to try to beat up on michael cohen. i thought it was an embarrassing exercise on their part. >> it sounds like you have a lot more questions. i'm interested to see what moves
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your committee makes next. right now president trump is on his way back from vietnam after that end to his high stakes nuclear summit. the two leaders canceling a working lunch and cutting short their visit after failing to broker any agreement on north korea's nuclear program. despite that said the talks ended on good terms. >> he is quite a guy and quite a character. i think our relationship is very strong, but at this time we had some options and we decided not to do any of the options. sometimes you have to walk. and this was just one of those times. >> cnn is in hanoi with much more on this. it was a very surprising end after all of this lead up. what happened? >> i know, it's hard to believe. we know that the north koreans have been dug in for a very long time. kim jong-un's new year's day
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message said as much. i guess the hope knowing that this whole thing was planned was that they were making this incremental progress even though this was a very compressed timeframe for those lower level meetings. but you would have thought that coming here and having something called a signing ceremony on the white house public schedule that they had something organized, but obviously not. what a surprise ending to this most trumpian of cliff hangers that the big thing that both sides were willing to give up was nothing. i think the most telling piece of reporting comes from a u.s. official telling cnn trump's closest aides were telling him north korea seems dug in. we don't think they are going to budge on this but the president still felt that meeting face-to-face was going to change it. this has been the biggest criticism of trump's approach here. he insists on a top down
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approach. his critics say that is never going to work. you need to have something laid out before the leaders can sign on the line. and this happening yet again seems to prove that. >> it will also be almost as surprising if president trump changes his kind of position and strategy when it comes to talks with kim jong-un after this. very importantly, also from this, put the nuclear talks aside. the president declared that he takes kim jong-un's word when it comes to the treatment of american student who was held and released in a coma and died days later when he returned to the united states. what is the president saying here? >> reporter: this is just shocking and reminiscent of things he said believing vladimir putin, believing the saudi crown prince over the khashoggi murder. he just keeps going on these rifts talking about he doesn't this can that kim was personally responsible. that might be true.
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he goes on and on about the terrible condition of the crowded prisons in north korea as if kim jong-un didn't vhave hand in this. he said he takes this dictator at his word. now we are hearing from former ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley who also clearly didn't like what she heard here. she tweeted just now -- hold on, let me find it. americans know the cruelty that was placed on otto warmbier by the north koreaen regime. when you were hearing this going on you thought of that family and how this must register to them as well as to families of other people that are held by similar regimes around the world. >> if anything happens in north korea without kim jong-un signing off on it. thanks so much. great reporting.
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coming up for us, why would president trump trust kim jong-un when it comes to otto warmbier? we will ask someone who has negotiated with north korea for decades. michael cohen believes president trump is being investigated for more potential crimes but not by robert mueller. sten to mom. when it comes to reducing the sugar in your family's diet, coke, dr pepper and pepsi hear you. we're working together to do just that. bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. because we know mom wants what's best. more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. ♪ t-mobile is always happy to see you.
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trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes. again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> and because of that, cohen said he wouldn't go into it any further. now we have many more questions. joining me now cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. great to see you guys. jennifer, what is your best guess? i know you love it when i make you guess. what the southern district is investigating that is not to do with russia? >> we know about the hush money payments which got buttoned up yesterday with the provision of the checks and the additional information that every time cohen was talking to keith richardson, stormy daniels' lawyer who would get trump's okay, that is buttoned up and done. of course, we know about the inauguruation committee. they issued subpoenas about that. the other two categories that we
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don't know much about are the trump organization itself, so corporate malfeasance there, tax fraud, bank fraud. >> that is one of the interesting things that came up late in the hearing yesterday was talk of deflating assets for tax reasons and insurance reasons. >> that's the other category. there is the trump organization stuff. that i would put in the bucket of trump's personal things. so we have the deutsche bank financial statements that he alleged submitted in order to get a loan. that is called bank fraud. for trump personally, you are talking about potential tax fraud and bank fraud. i think they are looking into all of those categories. the other problem for the president is that we have some state entities looking at him, as well. we had news yesterday that the d.c. attorney general had subpoenaed the inaugural committee for documents and information. we have the district attorney in manhattan indicating he is
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charging paul manafort. that shows a willingness to back stop the charges. we have the attorney general with an investigation going on, lots of problems swirling for trump. >> this thought in my head of if there is a crime here when it comes to the president committing a crime while in office, what do people do with that? i guess what i mean is politically. what do people do with that if there is a crime committed while the president is in office. does everyone just move on or is this a turning point? >> i thought your interview was really telling in keeping with his approach and answers, very cautious on the political
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impeachment front and what i'm hearing from members of the democratic majority this morning now that they have been able to digest all of the potential crimes laid out there in the studio. you didn't talk about the potential for campaign finance crimes which might be part of the potential crime committed while in the oval office. the caution used is telling because it is -- when i say it, impeachment is a political decision. a political decision by the house majority, the democrats to say does this reach a high crime and misdemeanor? do we want to go forward with this for a president who is going to face voters in november of 2020? i was told from one senior
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democratic source this morning is post big hearing yesterday, the reaction and action will be keep digging up all of these things inside that oversight committee, not necessarily jumping to impeachment. >> one piece that you mentioned is the big piece of evidence that cohen brought forth, the check. this comes to the hus money payments with the check that he received from trump since trump has been in office. is that evidence of a crime? because i've heard republicans during the hearing and after of couldn't that just be the retainer that the president was paying him to be his personal attorney? >> anytime you have a cooperating witness and he is not technically signed up, you are trying to corroborate them with evidence that supports what they are telling you. we have him telling us that he had this deal. there was no written retainer
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agreement that would be in place you would think. so he says here i have this check that supports what i'm saying. they'll dig around and try to see whether there is anything else that it could be, but it is definitely supportive of what he is saying. if you have other explanation, they can bring that out and the fact finder would decide that. but it is definitely supportive of what he says. we have that throughout the whole time. on that basis it is squarely in what michael cohen was saying. >> so many more questions from the -- it's good to see you. thanks so much. coming up for us, bribery, fraud and breach of trust. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu expecting to face charges. we'll have the latest for you from jerusalem next. itched to x for my constipation. stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. miralax works with the water in your
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what do you know right now? >> reporter: we have learned from a source with direct knowledge of the attorney general's decision that the attorney general intends to indict prime minister benjamin netanyahu with breach of trust in two cases and in a larger case with bribery fraud and breach of trust. in that case, police investigators say netanyahu gave regulatory benefits to one of his friends, a business owner in exchange exinvestigators say for favorable coverage in a news sight. that has always been the biggest case facing the prime minister over the last couple of years and it is there we have learned from this source that the attorney general intends to indict the prime minister with bribery, fraud and breach of trust pending a hearing. that hearing is still months away. netanyahu's party fired back calling this political persecution, an attempt to topple netanyahu's right wing government and calling it unfair because though we know the attorney general's intent, netanyahu's chance to defend
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himself, the hear is months away. >> what an amazing moment that this is all coming together and this is nowhere near the end of it. a major blow right now it sounds like for benjamin netanyahu. thanks for bringi ing it to us. sometimes you have to walk. that from president trump after he leaves vietnam without striking a deal. what happens now? we'll be right back. the communal feast. potluck. this parade of dishes will soon be yours to scrub.
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forget north korea's nuclear program for just a second. this was the most shocking development from the president's meeting with dictator kim jong-un, the president saying that he believes the brutal dictator when he says he knew nothing about the condition of american college student. listen to this. >> i don't believe he would have allowed it to happen. those prisons are rough places and bad things happen. i really don't believe that he was -- i don't believe he knew about it. he tells me he didn't know about it and i will take at his word. >> he was held in north korean prison for a year and a half. when he was released in 2017, he was in a coma with no believable information coming in. his death being a symbol of the
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regime. his parents were guests of president trump's where the president called them quote powerful witnesses to a menace that threatens our world. and now president trump says he believes kim jong-un. joining me right now to talk about this and the state of the talks is former democratic governor bill richardson. he has negotiated with north korea several times. thank you for being here. your organization sent a mission to north korea in 2016 i believe to try to secure the release of otto warmbier. when you hear the president say that he believes kim jong-un, what is your reaction? >> inconceivable that kim jong-un wouldn't know and deeply disappointed that the president would take his word as he has with volunteer putin who claimed that there is no election interfering in the american election.
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the foreign ministry, we were negotiating to try to get otto back. we sent a year, countless meetings with north koreans in new york. they told me they didn't know of the brain damage. for the leader of north korea, such a high profile case and it was the intelligence people that were holding, that held him in prison after his trial. it's inconceivable that kim jong-un wouldn't know. the biggest bargaining chip that north korea had with the yooungz. >> thinconceivable, you say. what does that mean? what is the doing then? >> i think the president, the only thing that came out of this i think very negative summit is the personal relationship between the president and kim
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jong-un. that's good to maintain. >> even if it is based on a lie? >> it unfortunate. it is almost a human rights violation. the family, i know them. good people. to let this hang out this way is not right. it's not right. and the president should know better. what needs to happen is a full accounting. kim jong-un should say to his intelligence people, let's tell the truth on this. they're not going to do it. they are hiding. >> do you think with that statement coming from the president that any american in north korea is in more danger now? >> any american hostage around the world especially in a regime like russia. we have a man there that we are trying to get out, his family. the president is going to -- putin will say i don't know anything about this case.
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we didn't do anything wrong. they are holding him as a bargaining chip. it doesn't give the family of american hostages must strength and faith. >> you said over the weekend that you feared that the summit was going to be a dud. we wake up overnight to realize that that is what it seems to have been. what is your reaction to it? were you surprised that it turned out this way? >> i was surprised. i thought when you do a summit, you wire some of the results. the gap between our negotiators that i think did a good job, but the president said no, no. i know there are problems. i can fix them. then i think also with the north koreans, i found that the foreign ministry people were not
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the negotiators from north korea. they are usually more flexible. i don't think there was much chemistry between the two. i think we're trying to hammer out a deal that said in exchange for some sanctions you have to take a path on de-nuclearizat n de-nuclearization. we didn't get anything on de-nuclearization, wide gap on sanctions and the peace treaty. my main issue remains that no movement forward on getting more of our remains of our soldiers. >> after the fact secretary mike pompeo told reporters that they don't have another date set for another meeting. he said it will take a while. we will each need to regroup. i wonder if that is diplomatic speak that they are a step
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further back than forward. >> this is a setback. but it's also when you're not getting what you want, the way to negotiate is you walk a bit. my worry -- >> even though it was negative and this did not turn out well, it was smart for him to walk in. >> yeah. it was the right move. there has to be better preparatory work. >> so you don't get faced with this. >> there should be a cooling off period. let mike pompeo be the ones that go back. don't plan another summit for now. >> was this a waste of time? >> it wasn't a waste of time because if kim just keeps his word that no more missile tests and there is some improvements in north/south relations, less tension, that's okay. on the main issue of de-nuclearization, on missiles, on weapons of mass destruction, we got nothing. the north koreans tried to pull
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a fast one. now the talks have collapsed. we need to continue going forward. it's too dangerous. we have american troops there. we have our allies like japan and south korea. we have to deal with the china dimensi dimension, too. we have to keep going. >> i also think the fact that still lingering out there is no full accounting of the weapons system of what north korea has. that has to be the first step to even take it seriously that there will be real talk about de-nuclearization. >> and you is to verify that they are there. they have hundreds of sites. the north koreans are so suspicious. they think that if they tell us where the sites are that we are going to bomb the sites. >> thank you for being in here. you are one of the few people who have had the conversations with the north koreans. we hope they are listening to your advice on how to uncollapse the collapsed talks. coming up for us, michael cohen's testimony raises new questions about who knew about the hush money payments and when
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we have some new developments coming out of capitol hill at this hour. members of the senate judiciary committee have advanced the controversial nomination of naomi rowe to replace supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. she now goes to the senate dogged with some big concerns from both parties.
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let's get more now from supreme court reporter arian nerne devo. >> she had a lot of fire directed at her from republicans. first there was joni ernst out of iowa. she had taken a lot of -- she was really critical of rao for some very early writings on date rape. she said, i'm going to vote in her favor today, but i found that writing abhorrent. if rao is ever up for supreme court, she may not get my vote. then there was a brand new republican on this committee, he's a freshman, and last week he stunned republicans by saying he had questions about her on abortion, and he took a lot of
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heat from this machine that has managed to push through a lot of republicans o republicans, or a lot of judges, during the first year of the trump administration. today he said, i've spoken with her. i'll vote in her favor for now. but he lashed out at people who criticized him. so we really get to see how the trump administration's machine to get judges through confirmation is fraying a little bit. and we're seeing some senators pushing back and saying, we're going to take a hard look ourselves at some of these nominees. it was pretty unusual. >> pretty unusual is right. let's see what happens next. good to see you, arianne. thanks for bringing that to us. conservatives are gathering for the annual conference, drrks -- cpac, as we call it. the member of the temporary committee is already talking about primary challenges to
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donald trump. jessica, what are you hearing from mcdaniel now? >> she came out to talk to a group today, and the men interviewing her asked about what she would say to any potential challengers, larry hogan, and bill moore announced he wanted to be chairman of the committee. they had a right to jump in, that's fine, but they said she's going to lose horribly. they went on to talk about president trump's accomplishments and talked about his approval in the party. then they said, go ahead, waste your money, to any potential challengers to the president. all this happening while larry hogan told politico just in the last week that he was really struck by the rnc shielding the president from any primary challengers. he said that he's been involved with the republican party for his entire life and that he had never seen anything like it.
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it was unprecedented. but the crowd here kind of nodding their heads in agreement with all of that. again, interesting to look back at 2016 when the democrats faced similar critiques over kind of what they were doing behind the scenes in the primary between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. but here the chairwoman of the rnc coming out and saying, you're going to lose. there is no reason to even get in, essentially actively discouraging anyone from running because she says there's just no way they're going to win, kate. >> it doesn't get much more clear than that, jessica. waste your money, waste your time, you're going to lose. i think coming from the chairwoman of the rnc. but larry hogan, when he had accused the rnc of shielding trump in telling politico he's never seen anything like it, is that confirmed? >> reporter: well, listen, we are kind of in unprecedented times when it comes to a sitting president potentially having a primary challenge.
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larry hogan, who i interviewed not too long ago, told me he's leaving that door open. he's listening to people. he hasn't closed the door on the potential for running. he wants to know he's not on a fool's errand. but what is important to note is that the president does have very high approval ratings within the republican party. so getting out of a republican primary not a problem, probably, for him with those approval ratings staying as they are. the question is, kate, will they stay where they are, what's coming up for the president around the bend with the mueller report, that sort of thing. >> a lot to come. great to see you, jessica, from cpac. coming up, no lunch, no signing and no deal. the president leaves vietnam empty-handed after talks break down. so where do negotiations go now? n the last generation. it's the first truck i've seen make you look small.
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