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excitement. >> i think the louder i say it the more convincing i am they'll believe it. it's friday, march 1st, 6:00 here in new york. new this morning, blood is thicker than intelligence. a report that broke in the "new york times" says the president personally his then chief of staff john kelly to give jared kushner, his son-in-law, a top security clearance, and he did it over his own intelligence officials and despite the recommendations of white house lawyers. general kelly was said to be so disturbed by what was going on he wrote a contemporaneous memo which is washington speak for i need cover. the report confirmed by the "washington post" directly contradicts the president's public denials that he had any role in kushner's security clearance. so this morning you can bet that congress has new questions about what, according to these reports, are a new round of lies fro the president to the american people. meanwhile, they're offering
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differing accounts as to why talks broke done in vietnam. we'll bring you those details about the collapsed nuclear talks and why president trump left empty handed. also, we're learning that michael cohen will be back on capitol hill next week to give more testimony. this is giving democrats a roadmap to open new lines of investigation. house democrats are now seeking interviews with other trump associates and even members of the president's family. so we have tall covered for you. first let's go to joe johns. he has all of the background story. >> reporter: president trump back at the white house under fire for once again defying the advice of his top intelligence officials. "the new york times" reports that the president demanded his son-in-law and top adviser jared kushner be granted a to secret security clearance last year guess despite objections of intel officials and even his white house lawyer. kushner's clearance had been
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revoked during a review of procedures and later restored in may. times reports that then chief of staff john kelly wrote an internal memo saying he was ordered to grant kushner top secret clearance. just a month ago, the president insisted that wasn't the case. >> did you tell anyone else in the white house to -- security officials? the career veterans? >> no. i don't think i have the authority to do that. but i wouldn't do it. >> reporter: "the washington post" reports his daughter pressured her feerth restore the clearance. she denied that a few weeks ago. >> the president had no involvement pertaining to my clearance or my husband's clearance. >> reporter: the white house says it does not comment on security clearances. kushner's legal team telling cnn mr. kushner's security clearance was handled in the regular process with no pressure from anyone. two house committees are already investigating the white house security clearance process. house oversight committee
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chairman elijah cummings now threatening to subpoena documents regarding kushner's clearance. >> there's not much i can say other than it was very productive. >> reporter: add together president's troubles, three days of explosive testimony from his long-time attorney michael cohen. >> i went back on march 6th to finish up. there's more to discuss. >> reporter: cohen alleging in public that the president committed crimes while in office. >> a copy of a check mr. trump wrote from his personal bank account after he became president to reimburse me for the hush money payments i made. >> reporter: cohen also alluding to other investigations by federal prosecutors in new york that could spell more legal trouble for mr. trump. >> do you think we need tro view his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes, and you'd find it at the trump org. >> cohen suggesting names for
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testimony, including mr. trump's money man alan weisselberg, the cfo of the trump family business and members of the trump family, including ivanka and don junior. >> want to bring in samantha ving vin ga rit, phil mudd, and john avlon who is intelligent, so there is that connection between all threes of them. >> i think there are three major questions raised by this story. number one why was jared kushner consistently denied the security clearance. number two, what was the president doing and why did he overrule all his intelligence officials and his lawyers inside the white house? and number three, the issue of once again, based on these reports, the president is once again lying to the american people about this. so let's just start with the intelligence matter. what and why is someone denied a
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top secret curious clearance? >> jared kushner was the number one draft pick for foreign intelligence services from the day he walked into the white house. he had access to president trump, influence over policy, and the inexperience or the hubris to lead him to make himself vulnerable to foreign manipulation. we then found out had he a series of manipulation points. he lighted on his security clearance form. he has relatively suspicious financial dealings and he may have been susceptible town due influence by foreign intelligence services. what that means is that investigators took a step back and said, we cannot say that jared kushner can be trusted with classified information. he was originally denied a top secret clearance which means that, again, investigators couldn't say jared kushner is solely representing the interest of the united states and can't be manipulated in the say guy who's not only walking into the west wing and seeing most sensitive intelligence in the world every day, he's going around the middle east, he's meeting with foreign diplomats,
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and we really don't know, john, if he is solely representing the interest of the united states or, again, if he's being ma nib nip pew lated wittingly or unwittingly by a foreign intelligence service. >> phil mudd, as of last night you still had security clearance, i'm not sure about this morning. but when you find out that president trump overruled the assessment and the advice of the cia, the fbi, the white house counsel, and the chief of staff, what do you think? >> i mean, a couple reactions. one, as a professional you look at it and ask a question that samantha is talking about why. typically if you have a security clearance that you can't getl through, there's fund mental questions. you don't declare who you knew in the past. you don't declare financial interests. there are basic things, for example in shoplifting or spousal abuse, but there's a whole vaert of things that come in background investigations, i'm not suggest any of that
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happened. at a personal level this is frustrating. john brennon who i knew when i was at the cia had his security clearance revoked by the president because of what he said. i was attacked by the president and he attacked my security clearance in august because of what i said. the reason jared kushner had questions about what his security clearance is not what he said which is my first amendment right, it's about what he did evidently. who did you invest, who did you talk to and why didn't you declare it on your form? i want to know what the heck was the problem here and more significantly why was that so important that the chief of staff had to put it down on a piece of paper? what's going on? >> this is why nepotism is a bad idea. this is why we don't traditionally do this in this country as opposed to banana republics. the president's son-in-law getting clearance over the professionals is a loud sign why this sa i bad idea from the getty up. and don't forget, "washington
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post" reported that the four separate countries had been caught chattering about how he was susceptible to manipulation because of the things sam laid out, his inexperience, business ties, bad debt. and right now opposite the michael cohen hearings just of this week where was he? he was visiting mbs, the ruler of saudi arabia, the modernizer who the administration has bent over backwards to defend despite his implication in the murder of jamal khashoggi. so everything's bad about this and the president lied and the administration then lied in return. and to quote george conway, kellyanne conway's husband in a tweet, trump lied? knock me over with a feather. difference is that this has real national security implications in the is why lies matter. >> and i can just add on that? because i went to work every day for four years and sat down in the room and never thought to myself, wow, the guy sitting across the table could have something else on his mind other than u.s. national security. entire staff going to the white house this morning is looking at
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jared kushner and really wondering why he's there in the first place and who he's representing. our intelligence community is delivering intelligence to the white house this morning, the presidential daily briefing and other assessments wondering what jared kushner is doing with it because he shouldn't be trusted with it. and finally our intelligence partners are asked to share intelligence with the u.s. government every day. president trump disclosed intelligence to rush foreign minister lavrov in the oval office and now they're being asked to share intelligence that's going toned newspaper front of jared curb center? i wonder how much people are going to keep sharing with the u.s. government and how comfortable everybody in the government going to be just having basic conversations in front of kushner at this point. >> clearly president trump knows that something that he did something he didn't want to disclose because he is lying about it. so he's not owning the fact that he overruled his white house counsel and chief of staff and cia and fbi.
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on january 31st, less than a month ago maggie haberman sat down with the president and asked him about this. listen to this moment. >> you tell anyone in the white house to overrule security officials? >> no, i don't think i have the authority do that. i'm not sure i do. but i wouldn't -- i wouldn't do it. >> okay. >> you never -- >> jared's a good -- i was never involved with his security. i know just from reading i know that there was issues back and forth about security for numerous people, actually. but i don't want to get involved in that stuff. >> i was never involved with his security. we now know that not to be true. >> fundamentally false. let's do a close reading of that. that is the art of the lie. look how he lies on so many levels with some facility. i'm not even sure if i've got that kind of power. but if i did i definitely wouldn't use it and i would never get involved with the
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security of my children. then tweeting also using the fake news it's a false reporting, you know, droublioub down on the lie. it's stunning that a president has ann stinct to lie on that many levels. it's frankly sick. >> it's to the american people. he is lying to the american people about this. according to general kelly in this memo. and phil mudd, the contemporaneous memo, john kelly, the chief of staff, was so concerned and he felt like his situation was precarious he felt like had he to write it down because perhaps projecting he knew a moment would come when the president would tell maggie haberman it would never happen. >> perhaps projecting some he was projecting. that's a comey moment. what's happening here people aren't just putting down on a piece of paper for a history book what they saw. they know this will be judged in the future. comey knew there would be questions about the president obstructing investigation. i guarantee you kelly knew at
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some point some journalist or congressional committee could determine what happened with kushner. now let's reverse this. let's say kelly never wrote anything down and it became a he said she said. the president said general kelly never told me anything. kelly who's been someone around the business for decades is realizing unless i put it on a piece of paper the president's going to lie about what i said. everybody here is projecting about when they get their time in the barrel, that's what's going on. >> but don mcgahn did too. he also wrote a contemporaneous note about this because he too was troubled that he was -- new abo knew about this and asked about it after the advice of the cia and fbi. john berman told me that he's writing contemporaneous notes about me every day since we've been working together, which i think is wise actually at this point given all of this. >> if there's one good thing. >> but, sam, isn't the answer that he had lied about his meeting with sergey kislyak as well as the head of the russia bank, isn't that why they had concerns? don't we know the answer to this about jared kushner?
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>> i think there are innumerable number of reasons, continuing by the way through the present day. jared kushner was what's happening with jamal khashoggi in the middle of an investigation, excuse me, what's happening with mbs in the middle of an investigation into jamal khashoggi's death. he has made every counterintelligence misstep in the book and yet for some reason, and this is the million dollar question here, president trump still wanted him in the white house. president trump is probably the one person who doesn't think he should be fired, aside from the foreign intelligence communities that get benefit from jared kushner being there because they think they can manipulate him. and we have to wonder how much intelligence hygiene is jared curb her engaging in today if he made all these mistakes before and now he's running around the middle east meeting with people that may be manipulating him. is he doing any better than he did when he lied on his security
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clearance forms? we don't know. >> this gets back to the problem you can't fire your family. >> you shouldn't hire your family. >> of course but once you're in that barrel you're in that barrel. and the other maj joor trend wee is the president lying. he estimated that through mid-february 8,700 lies by the president, up to 11 a day. >> and he's accelerating they say. >> that's right. this is a culture of lies and tone comes from the top. >> and i got to say, i mean, there are lies and there are lies here. the president's lying about security clearances. he's lying about what his intelligence committee has told him, according to this report. these are big and these matter. all ryle right sam, phil, john, thank you. lawmakers not done with michael cohen. he was libehind closed doors yesterday. the house intelligence committee wants to hear even more. michael cohen's lawyer says what he had to tell them behind closed doors was a game changer. we'll discuss next.
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president trump's former long time attorney michael cohen will return to capitol hill next week for more testimony. this is after three days of testimony this week. yesterday it was behind closed doors for eight hours with the house intelligence committee. here's what cohen's lawyer says about why he needs to come back. >> today new information was developed that really could be game changing. and chairman schiff and everybody in the room who wasn't a partisan republican praised him for his honesty and forthrightness and the development of this new information is the reason that he's coming back next wednesday. >> oh, boy.
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house democrats are now eyeing more investigations, even considering summoning more witnesses, including the president's family. let's talk about all of this. we have ellie hoe anything and jennifer rogers, and jackie kucinich. jennifer, new information that's opened a new avenue? how can it be that we are this far into these investigations and he drops some sort of new bomb that they think he needs to be called back for? >> well, sadly because we don't know what the prosecutors know. the prosecutors at the southern district of new york and probably mueller's taeam know al of this information. we're hearing dribs and drabs but they've known all along. all of these avenues that are able to be pursued are already under pursuit by the prosecutors. >> and lanny davis didn't know? >> that's right. they're not privy to what the southern district and mueller's team are doing on a daily basis. they have oversight responsibilities that go beyond what prosecutors are doing.
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there is reason for them to delve into some things, like for example what trump and his business are doing with some countries where he's setting policies based on things other than what's best for the interest of our country. >> one of the key phrases you throughout there is if you believe lanny davis. i want to say davis is out there as much as a political advocate than as a legal advocate. we have to wait to see what the members of congress say. they did say yesterday, i was listening to them come out on our shows last night saying they heard new things and now we know they want new hearings. not just cohen, but alan weisselberg, a couple committees are fighting over him. felix sater is coming in and then there's the talk should we, should we not from the president's family come in. >> and they want to stretch this out. they want to be talking about this as long as they possibly can and to have new information, and one of the things i think it's important to stress, these
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lawmakers aren't just taking michael cohen's word for it. he is bringing documentation, that's one of the reasons he's coming back, because they're dig through more doocumentation fro michael cohen. you don't have to say oh, wow, that's great, let's use that as gospel. one of the things that's going to be tough for them, though, is how far can they go without getting themselves into an impeachment discussion? because, as you pointed during the break, they're talking a lot about crimes. at what point do you need to kind of pull the band-aid off? right now you're hearing them say we're waiting for the mueller report, we're fwiergt muell waiting for the mueller report, once that comes out and how much of it is made public, ha then? >> that's why this is complicated. if the mueller report is connected on russia collusion and can't connect the dots. but michael cohen has laid out all these various crimes to tax fraud to defrauding a charity,
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to bank fraud, these are crimes. so then what does congress do about that? >> well, i think up until now it's been robert mueller. for the last two years the person leading the investigative charge has been robert mueller and only robert mueller. and think we're in the pro safs changing of the guard right now. i think moving forward it's going to be congress, the house in particular, and the southern district of new york. as we saw this week i think it was a perfect preview. we thought michael cohen's testimony was going to be the capstone, this dramatic climax. but the twist was it ended up feeling like chapter one of the story because so many new doors have now opened up. that's where we'll see congress and the southern district going over the next few years. >> you know, chris cuomo had the former new jersey governor on who had this notion of what the southern district is doing. listen to this. >> what they're doing, i'm confident, is building a case for two things. one, to go after those around the president who may have committed crimes. and, two, to build a case, if they have one, i don't think they have one at the moment, but
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they're trying to build one against the president for when he leaves office. >> they're trying to build a case to get the president once he leaves office. maggie mayberman were noting there are a lot of people in trump world think that's the case. >> i disagree they don't vape case yet. they have the campaign finance case, that's wrapped up with a bow they could charge that tomorrow. i also think they are working to build a case, we may see charges against other people in the trump orbit including some of the kids depending on the evidence. and, you know, they may not wait in the sense that they may lobby doj to see they're allowed to bring an indictment. i think the answer going to be no but saying the southern district is sitting back and they're happy to wait to see what the outcome of the election and if he's elected again and whether he can bring a case, i'm not sure that's right. >> the name alan weisselberg has come and he seems like the lynchburg having been at the trump organization against fred donald trump, donald trump's father. he knows where the bodies are
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buried. that's the expression that people keep using. he knows about every signed check. and so of course they're going to call him. but he has limited immunity. what does that mean? >> he's an obvious person to call. michael cohen invoked his name over and over again the other day. he's the financial gatekeeper. so he has immunity, limited immunity. that's when a prosecutor says i need your testimony, i can't have you invoking the fifth so we're not going to use your testimony on this limited subject to prosecute you later. so now if he's going to testify more broadly, and it seems clear that he is. he knows pretty much everything. i think one of the quotes was he knew every dime that ever left the trump org. he's going to need broader immunity or a cooperator. but the limited immunity he has right now will not carry him through. >> without the broader immunity he goes in and pleads the fifth. >> he'll take the fifth 'we can see the person sitting at the congressional table i take the fifth and the countermove is to get him blanket immunity for everything he says or to have him cooperate and plead guilty. >> but the last point on this, you know the southern district may not want him to get
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congressional immunity because that could be a problem in their investigation. >> that's right. we have to hope that there will be consultation there. it's not that they don't want him to have immunity necessarily, but they would want to be in on those talks to make sure that whatever congress gives him is okay with them and their investigation. >> that's been a problem in the past. it was in the '80s, during the whole iran-contra investigation congress gave immunity before members and that created some tension there. politically speaking again, jackie, i'm just so interested in listening to nancy pelosi push off impeachment. she keeps on pushing off this notion, i don't want to talk about that, we're not there yet, there's got to be a different thing for that the panned y. and you have other people pushing the bahtll the other wa >> 2020 less than two years away. impeachment does take time. and the voters will actually be able to decide at that point whether or not they want to give
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president trump a second term with all of this evidence out there. so -- and not to mention, you have a set of democrats that the less liberal democrats who don't want to talk about any of this, who just want to talk about the agenda that they campaigned on, healthcare and whatnot, through the 2018 elections. so she really is walking a fine line trying to balance all of the needs of her caucus and not only that, the democratic party at large. >> you can understand it's a very tough one because the energy suck that would be impeachment that the country has already lived through and the damage that everybody says that it does to the country, yet nobody's above the law. and so obviously congress, if they think that crimes have been committed, needs to do something so they don't send the message that somebody's above the law. >> and in particular in manisome ways the president is a little bit above the law, right? we have this doj policy which i agree the southern district may well push back on. but that's the policy, it's been in place for in many years now.
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so if you can't indict the president, it can't be that you can't do anything. we can't be in this catch 22, cant indict him, can't say anything negative about him because we can't indict him. so i think it will fall to congress. congress has to do its job. there's a political calculation jackie's more expert than i am, at what point will they say this won't be politically popular for us as democrats. >> but then there's the reality you have a republican-held senate. are you going to push the envelope, push that through and perhaps put some of your members in jeopardy speaking politically only to have it run into a brick wall in the united states senate? >> for all the theater that we're seeing testifying, for all the people we will see in the next few weeks and months, is there anything that they will say that muellers team or the southern district don't know already or on their own? >> certainly not from michael cohen. i think they know everything that michael cohen is saying this week and next week. but some of the witnesses they haven't talked to yet. if we do see ivanka trump in
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congress, i don't think she shows up, doesn't invoke the fifth, tells us a lot of stuff. but they haven't spoken to her yet. there are people who have not spoken to prosecutors who, in theory, if they appeared would give us new information. >> that would be a remarkable mabe moment, let's just say right here and now. >> thank you very much for all the expertise, guys. this story is benjamin netanyahu calls it a witch-hunt. that sounds familiar. we have a live report on that next. ility. thursday at 10? robot cage match. the 28th at 3? done. with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, it's easier to get the care you need.
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major political drama in israel. the fate of the long-time prime minister hangs in the balance. the attorney general there announced plans ton indict benjamin netanyahu on corruption charges. he claims he's the victim of a political witch-hunt. sound familiar? this comes just weeks before a closely contested election there. orrin lieberman live in jerusalem with the very latest. orrin. >> that's been one of his biggest complaints here, apart from the political one of hint accusation. he says just five weeks before the election this is an attempt to change his right-wing
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government for what he calls a weak leftist government. what was this bombshell announcement? israel's general saying he tends to indite the prime minister on charges of corruption and two smaller cases of breach of trust and in a larger case or charges of bribery and breach of trust perhaps a blow to the minister he's seeks that fifth term in august which would make him the longest serving prime minister in history. he fired back calling it politically motivated saying this was an attempt by his opposition to topple him because he couldn't beat him at the polls. used language at the trump and that's exactly who came to his defense. >> i don't know about his difficulty, but you're telling me something that people have been hearing about but i don't know about that. i can say this. he's done a great job as prime minister. he's tough, he's smart, he's strong. >> reporter: netanyahu is entitled to a hearing but that like won't be until at the earliest summer, months after
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the lec. the legal process will be slow, it will be drawn out. but john and alisyn there are is all about the political process. netanyahu was leading, it looked like he had a good chance, perhaps even a great chance to win the upcoming election and put together a government. now we're waiting to see the election polls, how much of a blow has this announcement, this intent to hurt the prime minister hurt the elections here? >> thank you for that. president trump is facing grow legal jeopardy after michael cohen's kplooes explosi explosive testimony but what will democrats do about it? >> we look at the bush years. that premieres sunday at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. here's a look. >> i would like to introduce you to my family. the fact is i'd be nothing without them. our four sons, our daughter, my own barbara bush. >> i think it's hard to imagine
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john there is supposed to start today. i don't see it. >> no one told bus thius about . no one ran it by us to make sure it's okay. appreciate it. >> yes. a growing number of democrats say they have seen evidence that donald trump has committed climb committed crimes, including while in office. the question is what are they going to do about it? that's a tough question for the house speaker nancy pelosi. >> would that be an impeachable offense? >> i'm not going into that. impeachment is a divisive issue in our country and let us see what the facts, are what the law is. >> all right. joining me now, ross garber, and paul, a former counsel so ken starr. i want to start with you, ross. what's the difference between what is a crime and what is impeachable? >> it's a good question. there are crimes and there are lots and lots of crimes, in fact
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are i don't think anybody's been able to count the number of federal crimes, lots of crimes. an impeachable offense under the constitution is treason, bribery, or other high crimes r misdemeanors. that's something that's incredibly serious affecting the person's office that sort of jeopardizes their ability to continue to serve. it's such a high standard we've never removed a president of the united states. very, very high standard. >> gerald ford in 1970, this wasn't about richard nixon, gerald ford said an impeachable offense is whatever the house of representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history. that was his take in 1970. paul, to you. of the things that are now out there and of the issues where we have now seen the evidence, what are the instances where you think there are, perhaps, impeachable crimes? >> well, i would say not impeachable crimes, but
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impeachable activities. there are some activities the president's engaged in that are also possibly criminal conduct. for example, the violations of the tax laws that seem to have been at the heart of some of mr. cohen's testimony. but i think far more important for congress to look at are those activities that aren't crimes but that are abuses of presidential authority. for example, trying to direct the acting attorney general to shut down an investigation of his own conduct. potentially the story that we've just heard in the last couple of days about ordering the government to give a security clearance to someone who the government believed was a security risk, ie, his son-in-law. there are a host of issues like that that involve president trump's use of presidential authority in a way thai buct as the trust of office that are far greater than the investigation.
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>> ross, you think there are three separate buckets that congress ought to look at here. what are they? >> i think there are a few kind of different separate buckets. and first let me say with respect to what paul just said, i think those generally aren't considered the kinds of impeachable offensives that, you know, we consider to be -- to have merit. but in terms of the buckets, the first one is obstruction related issues. i think that's probably the most dangerous for president trump. a second are those related to russia. and i think third are those related to his business dealings. and that's probably the least dangerous to president trump, because those largely relate to conduct pre conduct pre office. >> i will say in paul's defense,
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if the whittaker thing, if the president told him to replace the person in charges of sdny, he did it while he was in office and that would fall within that obstruction bucket, correct, paul? >> i agree. also i'm going to gently disagree with ross. the misuse of presidential authority is precisely what the founders thought was the ground for impeachment. george mason objected to the pardon power on the ground that it was too broad to which james madison said that's og, we'll impeach anybody who aputibuc ab power. when we think the president has overstepped the bounds of presidential authority in a way that transgresses the rule of law, destroys the checks and balances, attacks the free press, for example, that is, i think, a suitable ground for impeachment and actually a superior one in some ways. >> two questions quickly, paul. do you think we're there? >> think we're close. i certainly think that it would not be outrageous for the house
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of representatives to impeach. i certainly think that president trump has engaged in conduct that is comparable to if not more significant than clinton's onyx son's a or nixon's. and they were both impeached. >> do you think there's too much of a sigma attached to the notion of the impeachment process? not removal from office. because impeachment is different than the ultimate consequence of that. but do you think there's too stu much of a stigma around the process? >> i think it's exactly what the congress has started doing, examining the issues for itself, not relying on robert mueller and deciding for itself whether or not the president has transgressed. >> and, ross, are there powers that an official impeachment process would give congress that they don't have now and also what are the risks? talking to two lawyers here and impeachment is inherently a political process. so the risks, ross, are political here but what are the biggest risks usyou see for
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democrats? >> you can't disentangle impeachment from removal. they're part of the same process. and one the big risks for democrats is that it ties things up in congress. it becomes the sole focus as soon as you start doing it. it also invites attention on the functioning of congress. i mean, once the impeachment process started with respect to president clinton there are was a lot of focus on the congress. and i think if you were to ask then speaker gingrich if he'd do it all over again, he'd probably say no because he lost a lot through that. and so that's another danger. and the third is that it won't be successful. you can potentially impeach the president, but he's not going to get removed in the senate, particularly not for what we're talking about right now. you know, we're going into an election cycle in 2020 and it's one of the reasons why
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impeachme impeachments are so, a. we rely on the ballot box and people's votes to decide who the president is. >> all right in the san important discussion, especially as you hear more democrats coming out and say they see crimes here. so thanks for having it this morning. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> alisyn. let me bring you up to speed on sports. >> okay. >> prize free agent bryce harper breaks the bank with his new contract, okay. the bleacher report has it all next. oved everything. we used 50% fewer ingredients added one handed pumps and beat the top safety standards the new johnson's® choose gentle
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according to reports. he's heading to philly on the biggest contract in sports history. 13-year deal worth $300 million. he spent seven seasons of his career with the washington narls. he's one of the most coveted free agents ever because of his age. he's only 26 years old, but 13 years say long time. the contract has no opt out clauses in it as well. so when he reaches the end of this deal with the phillies, the players he's going to be playing with, about 10 years old right now. here's how the deal stacks up against the other riches in baseball. he's on top of carlos stanton's largest deal, the second richest man ever. machado and air ren nad doe follow. three out of four of these deals were signed this off-season. a mom dying of cancer promised her son that she would do anything that she could so that he could meet his idol,
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cary price, and his dream came true. anderson was just overcome with emotion when meeting price who gave him a big hug. anderson's mom laura mckay unfortunately passed away from cancer before she was able to make this happen. but with the help of some friends, they were able to arrange it and price giving anderson two signed sticks, a signed puck, a signed jersey, but more importantly, that big hug. and i tell you what, alisyn, definitely a moment anderson's never going to forget. and that right there is what sports is all about. >> thanks a lot, andy. you said warm your heart, you didn't say we were going to need tissues. that was really intense. >> i think the mother was there in that hug, in that moment, andy. and i also have to say again, great for carey price. players don't have to do that. he really stepped up there. >> that was beautiful.
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thank you. >> have a good one. among the revelations from michael cohen's testimony this week was the admission that he tried at all costs to keep the president's college and law school grades a secret. jeanie moos says that deserves an "f." >> why would a guy with such a high iq. >> i know i have an iq better than all of them. i guarantee you my iq is much higher than any of these people. >> reporter: lower himself to this? >> when i say con man, i'm talking about a man who declares himself brilliant. >> i know words, i have the best words. >> but directed me to threaten his high school, his colleges, and the college board to never release his grades or s.a.t. scores. >> reporter: the president's former fixer produced a letter to fordham university. it warned of substantial fines and penalties and the loss of government aid.
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if trump's grades were released the criminality will lead to jail time. >> if you tell anyone i got a g minus in math, i will destroy you. >> reporter: is making threats any way to treat schools you brag about? >> i went to an ivy league college. wharton school of finance is the number one business school. >> reporter: knowing president trump wanted to hide his academic record made critics sal vate. i kinda want to see his s.a.t.s more than his taxes. someone else borrowed the president's own words. >> russia, if you're listen. >> reporter: russia, if you're listening i hope you're able to find trump's s.a.t. scores that are missing. but donald trump definitely deserves an "a" in irony, or maybe it's hypocrisy earned forbathering obafor badgering obama. >> if he opens up and gives his college records. >> reporter: and passport records, trump filvowed to give check to charity.
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>> for $5 million. >> reporter: obama, who graduated with honors from harvard law didn't bite. trump continued to boast about attending wharton. >> got to be very smart to get into that school, very smart. >> reporter: so smart you don't want anyone to know your grades. jeanie moos, cnn. >> because i have a very good brain. >> reporter: new york. >> it's hard to put a finer point on it. >> no. on that note, here's more late night laughs. >> after hours of negotiating, trump just couldn't get kim to make a deal, so between kim jong-un and nancy pelosi, we found his biggest weakness, pant suits. >> kim jong-un told reporters that the sight of him and trump sitting side by side must look like, quote, a fantasy movie. actually looked more like a couple of dads waiting to pick up your kids after a fantasy movie. >> you know something must have
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gone wrong when these two turned down lunch. wow! although i bet after they left the room kim jong-un came back and he was like i can get this lunch to go, please? there's a lot of hungry people in my country and i want to eat this in front of them, yea. >> kim will not give up his nuclear program. trump comes home tiny empty hand. the president held a press conference in the middle of the night last night. >> it was a very productive two days. but sometimes you have to walk. >> that's right, sometimes you have to walk. and that's pretty much all did he is walk. >> there was a time when donald trump wasn't even able to walk in vietnam because of his terrible bone smur terrible bone spurs but thank god those cleared up. >> i predict the president had some other food on air force one so the missing of lunch wasn't that big of a -- >> the flight was catered? >> yes, i think so. >> thank goodness for that. thanks to your international viewers for watching.
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for you, cnn talk is next. for our u.s. viewers, new reports about jared kushner's top ski correo he crete securit clearance. >> he made sure he got a security clearance. >> hand picked white house counsel and chief of said we have a problem here. there were real concerns. >> i was never involved with the security. i don't want to get involved in that stuff. >> this is the biggest problem with having family in official positions, because it's much harder to be objective. >> he was able to shed light on a lot of issues have some nuchbt questions we had for him went unanswered. >> they're doing what they said before the election, that the whole goal is to impeach the president. >> mr. weisselberg is in our sites. he's been there 40 years, he has the keys to the kingdom. >> i will be back only mar marc there's more to discuss. good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. "new york times" has a bombshell report this morning revealing at


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